Against the Odds: The Pingining (Games)
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- What are the odds of winning with a deck built around Hidetsugu's Second Rite in Modern? We're about to find out!
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"The Pingining: now in 3D", Seth I just love how much fun you have with these games. THIS is how it should be!
Now in 3D, probably the least 3d game possible
Famous last words
"I see"
There's nothing more distressing that sitting down across from a deck playing bad cards. Like, they wouldn't be playing that if there wasn't a good reason.
Wouldn't blood moon have been a good main-board way to get rid of the fetchland problem?
Basilisk Collar would be pretty fun in this deck
Good sideboard card lol
A sideboard card that could had been good would had been a few Basilisk Collar to deal with big creatures. Also, as dumb as it seems, you need to side out Hidetsugu after you used it because they will board for it.
This just reminded me. As soon as SOI comes out on mtgo, you need to make a triskaidekaphobia deck
+The Fletch It will be done!
+MTGGoldfish Yeeeessssss
This is still one of my favourite Against the Odds.
Aside from Seance and Quest For Ula's Temple, that one was SICK, beating Tron that fast.
"Hitasugu" "Hitesugu" "Hitesagu" "Hitasagu"
I like the sub-game of "How many different ways can Seth pronounce 'Hidetsugu' incorrectly?" in this episode :p
Wouldn't Grove of the Burnwillows be good here to play around people holding up fetches to respond to Rite?
It would be if it wasn't banned in modern T-T ;-; Maybe Blood Moon to negate fetch effects?
Who told you Grove was banned? magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/gameplay/rules-and-formats/banned-restricted
I got the wrong part of the Grove/Punishing Fire combo xD My bad, I thought Grove was banned instead of the fire
Going against a burn deck and saying "well the good news is if we can get them to 10, they probably don't have a good way of beating hidetsugu's second rite".
o.O? They play almost all direct damage instant speed effects. I think it would be next to impossible to successfully kill them with hidetsugu.
+Halophilic NC Also didn't mull aggressively to get a Leyline. What do they even do against that?
+Srcsqwrn Destructive Revelry or Wear//Tear
He said "good way", even if they burn themselves to dodge Second Rite, they will probably just die to Seth's own burn spells.
Actually, their only two outs are lightning bolt and lightning helix, unless you count searing blaze but thats hard to hit yourself with, most of their stuff is sorcery speed.
This is my favorite against the odds of all time, even after 2 years
sweet play against the living end deck, great video editing too as always
Triskadecaphobia, grove of the burnwillow..... and lightning bolt! wudve been helpful forsure
+LegendepicStudios yeh grove is needed in this
so next against the odds is triskaidekaphobia? because it's an against the odds card if i have ever seen one. =)
Watching this whole thing was hilarious, and awesome.
This deck seems so sweet! It's unfortunate every deck carries sideboard hate for second rite. Still, hilarious game one wins are hilarious.
Those ping wins though. With some tweaking, and no second rite, this could be an actual deck??????
Maybe keep second rite, then board it out for game two so that opponent is playing around it
Why not play Grove of the Burnwillows to help negate opponent's life loss at instant speed.
You should play grove in this deck
I tried finding something better than Grove of the Burnwillows. Pheladgriif and Questing Pheldagriff aren't Modern legal, as well as the Nemesis-era invigorate spells. There's Blessed Alliance from the new Eldritch Moon set. Sorin Markov, of course. Giving the opponent life just isn't a thing in Magic: The Gathering. Good call.
That first game was amazing.
I think that was the most bizzare Abzan Company build I've ever seen. Far more used to the Anafenza/Melira + Finks/Redcap + Viscera Seer/Cartel Aristocrat combo. I like it though....
Old guy says; back in my day "pinger" decks were blue and I was head of the Sexy Tim fan club. A pinger costs 3. & you never used them to block. And we liked it!
And stay off my lawn!!! P
I like watching your vids, you always have a lot of fun lol
Groove of Burnwillows! It would help to control you opponent's life total!
that ghost quarter play to kill phyrexian unlife was so fucking clutch
Why not play grove of the burnwillows?
+Schuyler Smith Genius tech
have you considered tricsadecaphobia
+James Bentley Yes! We'll definitely have an Against the Odds for Triskidecaphobia, but we have to wait for Shadows over Innistrad to come out on Magic Online.
+MTGGoldfish Sweet! Love against the odds. Looking forward to it :)
+MTGGoldfish Make this Black, ping 7 times and win at upkeep seems a good strat. This Odds reminds me also Gaze of Adamaro + Sway of the Stars + Heartbeat of Spring combo deck during Kamigawa, so sweet.
+James Bentley i had hoped I'd see Second Rite/Triskaidekaphobia in modern
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i like the deck, it's hilarious. but i think lightning bolt would raise the odds a bit lol.
Probably, but as said in the deck tech video he wanted to specifically rely on the second right for a win condition
+Anchupom Second rite*
It does seem better than scorched rusalka (however you spell that)
This was amazing. Thanks!
47.4% is really good for Against the Odds! That's awesome.
Death by 1000 cuts - the deck!
yep, I had a blue pinging deck back in the day, it wasn't anywhere near as crappy as it looked like
you could think about squeezing in some loot effects (tormenting voice/faithless looting) to diminish the chance of getting stuck with numerous rites in hand?
What about Blood Moon instead of Fiery Justice. That way, any fetch or shock dual or pain land would do nothing. And those are the biggest thread against Hidetsogu. And besides, it slows down the opponent.
grove of the burn willows could be beneficial to the deck, giving a little bit more manipulation to the opponents life total.
This deck beat Ad Nauseum, Living End and Grixis Delver!!! New Meta incoming!!!
Someone clarify this for me, mana abilities can trigger even when Angel's Grace is on the stack, right?
Would Seth be able to kill the Ad Nauseum player at 37:54 by sacrificing another creature if he had a Rusalka + extra mana on the board?
I can answer your question: "Almost always yes."
The 3 speeds in Magic,from fastest to slowest are: Mana Source > Interrupts > Instants. Mana Source (i.e. Dark Ritual from Mirage, but now it's just Llanowar Elves and co.) > Interrupts (I.E. Counterspell from Revised, but now it's just Split Second) > Instants (most everything, called "The Stack." Sacrifice is "interrupt" speed
Therefore, you can tap lands, sacrifice Brindleboar to gain life, and tap Birds of Paradise in response to Split Second.
Note: If the mana came from Ley Druid, Argothian Elder, or Arbor Elf, it's actually too slow and the answer is "no."
That opponent in the first game is my fav.
tricsadecaphobia.dec would basically mean siding out the fiery justices and the second rites, splash black and almost use the same deck as the pingening :D
+Funkytrip73 Leave in Hidetsugu; win by getting opponent to 13, 10, or 0
I totally think your opponent saw second rite with the architect game 1 which is why he played around it both games flawlessly
the living end player is who I mean by opponent
HE GOES FOR THE PUNT!!!! AND ITS CLEAR!!!!! 8:25
At 8:26, wouldn't it have been possible to hit him to 13 (he probably wouldn't have used the spellskite in that moment because he isn't at 11), skullcrack, then untap and second rite?
question why did you not add a Grove of the burn willows to manipulate there life total up?
Hmm.. I like the deck idea of the first opponent you played against. Could you do that some time? Anyway, the deck you are playing looks pretty troll.
+Glen Poulsen You mean Abzan Company? That deck is popular as hell, if you're interested you can find tons of coverage on CZcams.
That first game omg
I know it just dies to everything, but the lack of Chandras Spitfire made me sad. It could get stupidly big with all of the pinging.
I guess Tricsadecaphobia is the next challenge in standard maybe sense it will be much harder to do
This deck needs 4 Triskadecaphobia.
man. I have so many ideas for against the odds decks. sadly, not a patron though so...
So I haven't watched the video yet, but I did read the article about the deck, and think that you could have waited a few more weeks to have made the deck. Waiting would have given you the ability to play Triskaidekaphobia, not only playing as an alternate win condition with Second Rites, but giving you some life control to make Rites more likely to kill.
You had leyline and needle against ad nauseam... Was ad nauseam enough for them to win?
Jund second rites and phobia sounds horrifying
you should try some card draw . faithless looting perhaps ?
agreed. Maybe some manamorphosis.
+Euan Brown Maybe Wheel of Fate would be fun.
Have you considered Sanctimony + Blood Moon + Chalice of life?
Awesome deck. I don't think you sideboarded very well (second rite is very predictable after winning with it), but awesome video nonetheless! Would try it, if lands didn't cost so much ;-;
Think about it this way this deck needs grove of the burn willow to work....
+Lucas N I agree that the most competitive way to use Second Rite is to sideboard it out after the opponent sees it, because its pretty easy to play around, but that felt wrong for a video series based around winning with the card.
rakdos pingining with triskaidekaphobia sounds fun
looks like everyone thought the same thing.
Also, maybe red leyline in Sideboard to prevent lifegain?
Pls revisit this with Torbran
Have you considered Basilisk Collar?
Budget the pingening 2 electric bogaloo next week?
what about against the odds: modern demonic pact?
Question about Fiery Justice: If opponent has 5 life and you decide to deal 5 dmg, opponent does not lose because he gains 5life simultaneously? What is the ruling of the card? Because there is not written "then" you cannot kill opponent with 5 life using fiery justice?
+Bleskojd I believe it happens at the same time, so we wouldn't be able to kill the opponent, but I'm not 100% sure.
+Bleskojd you have to resolve the card first and then check for state based actions, so you hit for 5 then he gains 5 and then you have to check if a player has 0 life to determine if that player loses.
+Bleskojd Not lose, because the check is done after the effect was entirely done (without any specific timing wording at least). It's why you can do 9000 damages to a Stuffy Doll with a lifelinked Volcanic Hellion without losing during the effect too.
Just beat U-Tron 2-0, and I feel great
No destructive revelry?
This is hilarious :D
Do not fear the man that does 20 damage with 1 spell but 1 damage each with 20 different spells
Xpyto Lmao thats great
Why no Chandra's Spitfire? :D
should have told the guy who asked "What the fuck is this?"
"This is just the Pingining"
Halfway through the vid and haven't seen any non red spells played. Starting to think that this deck would've been better mono red.
+AFedosick and it would have been really afordable as well.
At 8:37 all you needed was 1 damage to face for skullcrack and rite win, if you just pinged him in the face for 1 I bet he would have let you.
+Khan Runander It wouldn't have mattered since he has a Llanowar wastes to damage himself tho.
No flip-Chandra?
Deck might be better with some tormenting voices or other looting effects to throw away multiple 2nd rites.
GNAW TO THE BONE?!?!?
What's the decklist
the second rite cannot be redirected to spellskite because its not a legal target...
alsi i think that a pinger deck without the second rite would do well in modern just like the record suggests but it would need some more brewing xD
You can redirect any spell or ability on the stack to spellskite, regardless of target legality. It may just not actually accomplish anything except losing life.
+Ic3dsoul Spellskite can target any spell, doesn't matter if the spell can target spellskite. You can also target the same spell several times, which is good to know when you play mindslaver :p
They are correct. Even though Spellskite is not a legal target, you can activate his ability. It won't change the target of the original spell as a result, but in this case, that doesn't matter. You can activate it any number of times needed to reduce your life total below 10, resulting in the spell having no effect.
okey i actually didnt know that xD
You missed a ping at 30:15 !
+Bit Maximus Not that it ended up mattering there
Why didn't you just fiery justice his face in the last match?
And deal 0 damage? Did you miss the last sentence on fiery justice? :)
They happen in order, but state-based actions don't get checked while a spell is resolving, so temporarily putting him to -3 still doesn't do anything.
gnaw to the bone?! oh my god gnaw to the bone..
YOU WIN BY THE LEYLINE, YOU LOSE BY THE LEYLINE HAHAHAHAH
Once you win with second right, jist board it out
opp 1 was just confused
Gnaw to the bone is savage hahaha
spellskite also just counters second rite anyway
Do timesifter
Am I the only one who wanted him to play soul sisters?
Agro mulligans
gnaw to the bone too OP plz nerf
PINGING as usual I see.
Your opponent can't activate Spellskite and lose life versus Hidetsugu's Second Rite, because spellskite is no legal target for Hidetsugu's Second Rite.
+Ravenwrath While Spellskite can't redirect Hidetsugu's Second Rite (because it's not a legal target, as you mentioned), you can activate Spellskite's ability targeting any ability that goes on the stack (even a fetchland activation, if you want to). Essentially, with a Spellskite on the battlefield, you can pay two life (almost) any time you want, as many times as you want.
Ah, good to know.
Whoever edits these is abysmal. All the blinking screens and sped up turns just gives me a headache.
You play way to fast, no wonder you misclick so much.
take out fiery justice go blood moon mono red. or no blood moon with valekut instead hhaah
If only he was good at magic... Plays way too fast for his skill level and makes huge misplays it's a major turnoff..... I won't ask him out on a date.
Why not play Grove of the Burnwillows to help negate opponent's life loss at instant speed.