Living on $200,000 After Taxes in Zurich, Switzerland

[@giddingsrocks]

Nobody starves to death trying to pay for their medications in Switzerland. 6 weeks of paid vacation every year. Parental leave, day care, good schools, great retirement, great infrastructure, and wages.👍

[@geoffharrower2845]

… a zero mass murders!

[@williamjulian1331]

Of course…when you’re country is not overrun by low life’s and corruption. Big difference from the stupidity of Bernie Sanders philosophy

[@lukerider479]

How many people a year starve to death in the US due to medication cost? I assume people would opt to buy food first if it actually came to that.
Also it’s strange I have 6 weeks paid vacation took paid leave for my kids and have good schools where I’m at. Oh also I bet my pension is better than theirs and I’m in the US. How is that?

[@michaelk5265]

@@lukerider479 congrats for being an outlier lmao

[@lukerider479]

@@michaelk5265 I’m not. Would you care to respond to the questions I asked?

[@qtla9111]

It's not how much you pay, it's what they do with the money.

[@alexgataric]

In the USA, we don't get shit for it.
EDIT: specified USA.

[@Laroac]

@@alexgataric are you from the US? will du redisch sicher nöd überd schwiz mit sonere ussag

[@qtla9111]

@@Laroac Soy mexicano, traduzco tu mensaje y todavía no lo entiendo.

[@Laroac]

@@qtla9111 No fue español, fue suisso aleman. Solamente le conte que no puede ser suizo si piensa lo que dice.

[@qtla9111]

@@Laroac obvio que no fue español. Conteste en español porque es mi idioma.

[@windingpath]

I pay higher tax here in California. I live next to a park which is also a homeless camp and I have to buy health insurance out of my own pocket.

[@marvellousobasojie662]

Move to Europe

[@thunderstar254]

That's because your tax dollars have to be diverted to redneck backwards conservative states... I say let them secede just like they want and don't let them in when they inevitably come crawling back crying and blaming antifa for sabotaging their failed empire 😂

[@bandidoJNMR]

In switzerland you also have to buy health insurance out of your own pocket

[@whosaiyanji]

Well the problem is you get what you vote for.....

[@ZOG_EXTERMINATOR]

Healthcare isn’t covered with taxes in Switzerland.
If you are a working man, your gonna have to buy your own healthcare plan.

[@michaelwalker6256]

The Swiss government takes care of the citizens and the country. You'll never be left to die in need.

[@facemobbnation]

No shit u paying for it $63,000 in taxes no wonder😂😂😂😂

[@houserental5424]

Same in America, it’s a federal program called”medicade” look into it. Europeans are very ignorant about these things due to prevalent leftist narratives

[@facemobbnation]

@@_Meng_Lan what american cities have old stanky infrastructure?🤨🤨🤨🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔are you high💀💀💀

[@LordKalerran]

@@_Meng_Lan If you hate homeless people, I would advise you to stay away from most cities, yes, even European ones like Paris, Berlin and London. There were a crazy amount of homeless and crackheads on the streets there. Mind blowing

[@LordKalerran]

@@_Meng_Lan Also, don’t go to Italy or Germany if you are worried about collapsing bridges 😂

[@johnnevada46]

The Swiss have a great economy and take care of their residents. We need more Switzerlands.

[@nyali2]

You are late, there was only one WW2, when you could rob the Jews, like Switzerland did.. The amount of Nazi gold there is insane.

[@frankmontez6853]

Democrap for sure

[@dnate697]

That's what happens when the PEOPLE run the Country and not Oligarchs like here in America. Example but NOT limited to Harlan Crow.

[@firepower7654]

Yes. What they need is mass immigration to let them feel the enrichment of diversity. Then we will revisit in 10 years and see how they are doing. Let's just ignore Sweden and France....and hope the fires in Paris go out soon.

[@andrewa6786]

they don't have to deal with 13 percenters, though. but yes, we do need more switzerlands.

[@rolandlevrand1591]

The pension fund contribution is not a tax because it is still your money. You get it fully back with interests and with the employer contribution (about the same amount) when you move abroad or retire.

[@ars2439]

republicans call it an entitlement

[@richardpare3538]

@@ars2439 Sorry, but it is the Dems who call it an entitlement, and now passed a tax on it.

[@dominiquecharriere1285]

Not true. The retirement tax you pay is spent by the retired people today, it’s the big issue we have in Europe. I’ve paid close to 200k$ of retirement fund in almost 30 years but I’m not sure I will have a retirement in 10 years, probably I won’t. Public retirement taxes are a pyramidal fraud scheme.

[@spazbates5142]

If you die before retirement do your heirs get the money back or does the government keep it? If the govt. keeps it, then it's not a good deal.

[@juli1favre]

⁠@@spazbates5142pension funds are independent from the government. If you die your partner is entitled to that pension.
And you can withdraw the money before retirement to start a business or for a down payment on a house.

[@johnwilson327]

I pay 25% and don’t get a quarter of the benefits their citizens have. Plus I pay deductibles, copays and premiums that far exceed the remaining seven percent.

[@nadeemkevka275]

A month? Or year

[@sherrygrobaski7615]

We pay $1k a month just on insurance. Plus still have to pay $4k in deductables and copays. And our income is just social security and a small pension. I'm not eligible yet for Medicare so I have to pay 100% of my insurance, plus my husband's Medicare premium and Medicare supplement premium.

[@deborapedro7150]

What benefits? I'm a citizen and I don't get shit... instead I feed the rich and I get poorer. People still live in their pink world where Switzerland poops money and we citizens spend our day in 5 stars hotels or restaurants. Switzerland is way too far from what everyone thinks it is.

[@timaeus1604]

@@sherrygrobaski7615 what's your message?

[@wendydesiree5554]

Thé church tax is only if you say youre affiliate to one of the churches otherwise its 0

[@rogercvc6768]

Better standard of living than US tho.

[@facemobbnation]

Yea after almost $70,000 in fucking taxes gtfoh😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jcp4350]

All around better except cost of living is ridiculous - income tax is less than USA but they recoup those losses if you’re a heavy consumer

[@swagger5455]

It’s almost like it’s easier to manage 8 million people than 350 million people 😂😂😂

[@lebumjames1373]

@@swagger5455 people don’t think before they comment lmao

[@krc0607]

Of course it’s better living standard! And no surprise…

[@bubbafatas2588]

After analyzing what they are receiving it seems pretty good!

[@silverbowftw5225]

Until you factor in rent, food, etc..😅

[@bubbafatas2588]

@@silverbowftw5225 wrong but we know who you voted for

[@captainpharaoh]

Agreed. They get much more for their money than we do here in the US. Part of that is because of where the money goes. I don't mind paying to help out the poor and get them out of poverty. I DO mind subsidizing the oligarchs.

[@user-gb7fp6wn1x]

where this money goes? there's no free healthcare in swiss, no free transport, basically nothing except for mountains. cities are small and not comparable to US cities like NYC and others, they don't build towers, they live in soviet like buildings but white. absolutely 0 ideas where the money from taxes go

[@christophedelannoy9216]

La Suisse🇨🇭 est une confédération bananière, oligarchie. (Droit d'urgence...)
La Suisse est une illusion, un mirage :
-La Suisse a été condamné plusieurs fois récemment par la CEDH (Cour Européenne des Droits de l'Homme).
-Taxes pour les chiens, taxes poubelles, serafe (TV), prix du coiffeur, téléphonie, contrôle des habitants, assurances, crèche CHF 3000/mois, SBB CFF (trains), parkings, cinéma à CHF 20 de base la place...
-Plusieurs hôtels 5 étoiles de ville sans spa.
-Matière fécale dans la baie de Montreux.
Algues, puces de canard, cyanobactéries mortelles pour l'Homme. Chiens morts Neuchâtel.
-plein d'allophones en Suisse. Qui ne parlent aucune langue nationale.
-Fin de la neutralité. Entrée à l'ONU.
-Fin du secret bancaire.
-Pas de code du travail mais un code des obligations déboulonné.
-Les Suisses transforment parfois des licenciements (même abusifs) en démission pour éviter de payer le chômage malgré les cotisations.
C'est du vol. Les Suisses appellent ça le chômage auto-infligé.
-Beaucoup de jugements à huis clos comme en Corée du Nord. Sans avocat aussi.
-J'ai fait condamner plusieurs juges pour viol du droit à l'écoute.
-Gros problèmes de drogues dans le canton de Vaud. Rixes mortelles au Flon. Dealers Lausanne, Vevey.
-Attentat à Morges.
-Beaucoup de travaux. gares, routes, autoroutes. Embouteillages monstres.
-Scandale trains trou de tolochenaz.
-Scandale construction autoroute entre Brig et Sierre. Plusieurs milliards sur plus de 30ans. Corruption. Fausses factures.
-Chez Nespresso, saisi record de cocaïne en 2022.
-Nestlé a fait travailler des enfants en Côte d'ivoire.
-Moins en moins de neige. Les glaciers fondent vitesse grand V.
-Scandales UBS et Crédit Suisse en milliards.
-La BNS (Banque Nationale Suisse) a perdu en 2022, 132 milliards de CHF. C'est abyssale.
-Banque Suisse Reyl condamnée.
-L'argent du Liban 🇱🇧 planqué entre 300 et 500 millions de $.
-L'argent du Cameroun 🇨🇲 dilapidé par Paul Biya depuis 40ans à Genève.
-L'argent de l'Afghanistan 🇦🇫(CHF 3.2 milliards) gardé à Bâle. Pendant que le peuple meurt de faim, sans chauffage.
-Discrimination anti Français (Lire Marie Maurisse, journaliste Le Monde, livre : Bienvenue au Paradis.)
-La fondue Gerber n'a plus le droit d'utiliser le drapeau Suisse sur ses emballages car les ingrédients viennent de l'étranger. Toblerone aussi.
-Salon de l'auto Genève encore annulé. 4 fois à la suite.
-Routes pas toujours salées.
-arnaque twint.
-arnaque bois de chauffage.
-Le cash interdit dans des marchés de Noël.
-700 000 habitants sans eau potable sur environ 8.5 millions d'habs.
-Pollution : Dioxines dans les sols Lausannois. Adieu les potagers.
-UBS condamnée en décembre 2021. 1.8 milliard d'€. Démarchage bancaire illégal. Blanchiments.
-...

[@extinctionvirus13]

Church Tax is optional, can be waived without giving any reason.

[@Mad_Flavor]

And the greatest thing is, they need to ask you if they want raise the taxes, with a vote

[@deborapedro7150]

Sure... and insurances and everything else every year too. Oh and we vote our salary raises too. People have no clue...

[@silverbowftw5225]

LMFAO

[@childkillers_shouldve_NoState]

That's the real democracy

[@KLMT01]

😮

[@jozefsnopek352]

More clarification:
Pension contribution to the 2nd pillar isn't tax, that is yours even though it is mandatory and can vary depending on the employer.
Church tax is not mandatory.
Communal Tax can vary a lot the Zürich city is quite expensive.
Additionally, VAT is 2.5% for food and 7.7% for everything else. (which is much lower than in other European countries where it is like 20%.

[@jeff_n1535]

VAT in Ireland I think is 23% (?)...

[@lyndatuttle]

What is church tax?

[@jozefsnopek352]

@@lyndatuttle if you are a believer, you pay taxes to your respective church.

[@christophedelannoy9216]

La Suisse🇨🇭 est une confédération bananière, oligarchie. (Droit d'urgence...)
La Suisse est une illusion, un mirage :
-La Suisse a été condamné plusieurs fois récemment par la CEDH (Cour Européenne des Droits de l'Homme).
-Taxes pour les chiens, taxes poubelles, serafe (TV), prix du coiffeur, téléphonie, contrôle des habitants, assurances, crèche CHF 3000/mois, SBB CFF (trains), parkings, cinéma à CHF 20 de base la place...
-Plusieurs hôtels 5 étoiles de ville sans spa.
-Matière fécale dans la baie de Montreux.
Algues, puces de canard, cyanobactéries mortelles pour l'Homme. Chiens morts Neuchâtel.
-plein d'allophones en Suisse. Qui ne parlent aucune langue nationale.
-Fin de la neutralité. Entrée à l'ONU.
-Fin du secret bancaire.
-Pas de code du travail mais un code des obligations déboulonné.
-Les Suisses transforment parfois des licenciements (même abusifs) en démission pour éviter de payer le chômage malgré les cotisations.
C'est du vol. Les Suisses appellent ça le chômage auto-infligé.
-Beaucoup de jugements à huis clos comme en Corée du Nord. Sans avocat aussi.
-J'ai fait condamner plusieurs juges pour viol du droit à l'écoute.
-Gros problèmes de drogues dans le canton de Vaud. Rixes mortelles au Flon. Dealers Lausanne, Vevey.
-Attentat à Morges.
-Beaucoup de travaux. gares, routes, autoroutes. Embouteillages monstres.
-Scandale trains trou de tolochenaz.
-Scandale construction autoroute entre Brig et Sierre. Plusieurs milliards sur plus de 30ans. Corruption. Fausses factures.
-Chez Nespresso, saisi record de cocaïne en 2022.
-Nestlé a fait travailler des enfants en Côte d'ivoire.
-Moins en moins de neige. Les glaciers fondent vitesse grand V.
-Scandales UBS et Crédit Suisse en milliards.
-La BNS (Banque Nationale Suisse) a perdu en 2022, 132 milliards de CHF. C'est abyssale.
-Banque Suisse Reyl condamnée.
-L'argent du Liban 🇱🇧 planqué entre 300 et 500 millions de $.
-L'argent du Cameroun 🇨🇲 dilapidé par Paul Biya depuis 40ans à Genève.
-L'argent de l'Afghanistan 🇦🇫(CHF 3.2 milliards) gardé à Bâle. Pendant que le peuple meurt de faim, sans chauffage.
-Discrimination anti Français (Lire Marie Maurisse, journaliste Le Monde, livre : Bienvenue au Paradis.)
-La fondue Gerber n'a plus le droit d'utiliser le drapeau Suisse sur ses emballages car les ingrédients viennent de l'étranger. Toblerone aussi.
-Salon de l'auto Genève encore annulé. 4 fois à la suite.
-Routes pas toujours salées.
-arnaque twint.
-arnaque bois de chauffage.
-Le cash interdit dans des marchés de Noël.
-700 000 habitants sans eau potable sur environ 8.5 millions d'habs.
-Pollution : Dioxines dans les sols Lausannois. Adieu les potagers.
-UBS condamnée en décembre 2021. 1.8 milliard d'€. Démarchage bancaire illégal. Blanchiments.
-...

[@lukerider479]

@@jozefsnopek352 that’s messed up. Sorry kids we are giving up our religion for awhile the budget is tight

[@Pit-jt3lw]

Church tax?😭😭😭

[@switzerland]

You can skip it by just saying you are not religious

[@JumpyJoker18]

​@@switzerland Thank goodness.

[@bluemavryk]

The a******s dont actually ask you IF you are or are not religious. They ask you WHAT religion are you? Implying that you DO have one hence most people answer honestly - not aware they’ve just been d****d by your municipality out of church tax! Welcome to Switzerland!

[@chimkinNuggz]

@@JumpyJoker18 godness*

[@rogercvc6768]

You get a church funeral instead of the dumpster tho. I’d hedge my bets!😀

[@Vladkazenski7777]

We pay similar in the US and in return we get falling infrastructure, and a middle finger

[@enviromental2565]

My brother moved from America where all his family lives to Switzerland about 20 years ago for a job and hasn't come back. The must be something pretty great there to leave your original country and family behind.

[@kilovolt2494]

US is huge. You want the beach? Here's the beach. You want some mountains to ski on? Here are the mountains! You want the desert, or you want to see northern lights? US has all of it.
While income - taxation - spendings - remainders is insanely complex matter that further depends on a person/their occupation/canton vs state, etc - one thing that no one would argue about is that quality of life and purchasing power of the US are very close to the Swiss ones.
So, idk. I'd be interested to know why your brother chose the US - at least, as a person who lives in the US.

[@chazmartin5725]

@@kilovolt2494 He didn't. He moved FROM the US to Switzerland 20 years ago.

[@zaram131]

I would move from America to Switzerland if I could see a way to do it.. It’s the most beautiful place in earth. Your brother is so lucky.

[@professormeow3399]

@@kilovolt2494Still the US is not the only place which has "all of that" and in Switzerland you don't need to travel far to - for example - go visit a beach. Just because you might happen to cross a few borders... besides you might suddenly be in a completely different culture and that just makes things more interesting. The thing is... your argument kind of doesn't make sense. Just because you live in a small country doesn't mean you are confined in it, because that is not how Europe works.

[@vickirempel5529]

Don't count the pension as a tax, it is deferred wages.

[@nyali2]

No it is not, it is paying for the current pensioners. If you are lucky the next generation will pay yours.

[@juli1favre]

@@nyali2absolutely not. the pension fund is not like the AHV. It is not a "you pay for current pensioners” system.

[@nyali2]

@@juli1favre state pension I meant

[@christophedelannoy9216]

La Suisse🇨🇭 est une confédération bananière, oligarchie. (Droit d'urgence...)
La Suisse est une illusion, un mirage :
-La Suisse a été condamné plusieurs fois récemment par la CEDH (Cour Européenne des Droits de l'Homme).
-Taxes pour les chiens, taxes poubelles, serafe (TV), prix du coiffeur, téléphonie, contrôle des habitants, assurances, crèche CHF 3000/mois, SBB CFF (trains), parkings, cinéma à CHF 20 de base la place...
-Plusieurs hôtels 5 étoiles de ville sans spa.
-Matière fécale dans la baie de Montreux.
Algues, puces de canard, cyanobactéries mortelles pour l'Homme. Chiens morts Neuchâtel.
-plein d'allophones en Suisse. Qui ne parlent aucune langue nationale.
-Fin de la neutralité. Entrée à l'ONU.
-Fin du secret bancaire.
-Pas de code du travail mais un code des obligations déboulonné.
-Les Suisses transforment parfois des licenciements (même abusifs) en démission pour éviter de payer le chômage malgré les cotisations.
C'est du vol. Les Suisses appellent ça le chômage auto-infligé.
-Beaucoup de jugements à huis clos comme en Corée du Nord. Sans avocat aussi.
-J'ai fait condamner plusieurs juges pour viol du droit à l'écoute.
-Gros problèmes de drogues dans le canton de Vaud. Rixes mortelles au Flon. Dealers Lausanne, Vevey.
-Attentat à Morges.
-Beaucoup de travaux. gares, routes, autoroutes. Embouteillages monstres.
-Scandale trains trou de tolochenaz.
-Scandale construction autoroute entre Brig et Sierre. Plusieurs milliards sur plus de 30ans. Corruption. Fausses factures.
-Chez Nespresso, saisi record de cocaïne en 2022.
-Nestlé a fait travailler des enfants en Côte d'ivoire.
-Moins en moins de neige. Les glaciers fondent vitesse grand V.
-Scandales UBS et Crédit Suisse en milliards.
-La BNS (Banque Nationale Suisse) a perdu en 2022, 132 milliards de CHF. C'est abyssale.
-Banque Suisse Reyl condamnée.
-L'argent du Liban 🇱🇧 planqué entre 300 et 500 millions de $.
-L'argent du Cameroun 🇨🇲 dilapidé par Paul Biya depuis 40ans à Genève.
-L'argent de l'Afghanistan 🇦🇫(CHF 3.2 milliards) gardé à Bâle. Pendant que le peuple meurt de faim, sans chauffage.
-Discrimination anti Français (Lire Marie Maurisse, journaliste Le Monde, livre : Bienvenue au Paradis.)
-La fondue Gerber n'a plus le droit d'utiliser le drapeau Suisse sur ses emballages car les ingrédients viennent de l'étranger. Toblerone aussi.
-Salon de l'auto Genève encore annulé. 4 fois à la suite.
-Routes pas toujours salées.
-arnaque twint.
-arnaque bois de chauffage.
-Le cash interdit dans des marchés de Noël.
-700 000 habitants sans eau potable sur environ 8.5 millions d'habs.
-Pollution : Dioxines dans les sols Lausannois. Adieu les potagers.
-UBS condamnée en décembre 2021. 1.8 milliard d'€. Démarchage bancaire illégal. Blanchiments.
-...

[@spectre1725]

​@@nyali2You might want to look into the first, second and third pension system if you live in Switzerland. Understanding it is important to prevent being poor when above 65

[@AmandasExperience]

My grandparents are from there, and I'm thinking of moving there, so thank you for the info 👍 you are appreciated.🙏

[@rochelleholmes9271]

The U.S should use them as an exampe!! Problem is too many corrupt politicians!!

[@kilovolt2494]

I believe the US absolutely _can_ live like so or may be even better. I don't know what is the problem here, but it is worth researching.

[@christophedelannoy9216]

Hahaha. Stop believe lies.
La Suisse🇨🇭 est une confédération bananière, oligarchie. (Droit d'urgence...)
La Suisse est une illusion, un mirage :
-La Suisse a été condamné plusieurs fois récemment par la CEDH (Cour Européenne des Droits de l'Homme).
-Taxes pour les chiens, taxes poubelles, serafe (TV), prix du coiffeur, téléphonie, contrôle des habitants, assurances, crèche CHF 3000/mois, SBB CFF (trains), parkings, cinéma à CHF 20 de base la place...
-Plusieurs hôtels 5 étoiles de ville sans spa.
-Matière fécale dans la baie de Montreux.
Algues, puces de canard, cyanobactéries mortelles pour l'Homme. Chiens morts Neuchâtel.
-plein d'allophones en Suisse. Qui ne parlent aucune langue nationale.
-Fin de la neutralité. Entrée à l'ONU.
-Fin du secret bancaire.
-Pas de code du travail mais un code des obligations déboulonné.
-Les Suisses transforment parfois des licenciements (même abusifs) en démission pour éviter de payer le chômage malgré les cotisations.
C'est du vol. Les Suisses appellent ça le chômage auto-infligé.
-Beaucoup de jugements à huis clos comme en Corée du Nord. Sans avocat aussi.
-J'ai fait condamner plusieurs juges pour viol du droit à l'écoute.
-Gros problèmes de drogues dans le canton de Vaud. Rixes mortelles au Flon. Dealers Lausanne, Vevey.
-Attentat à Morges.
-Beaucoup de travaux. gares, routes, autoroutes. Embouteillages monstres.
-Scandale trains trou de tolochenaz.
-Scandale construction autoroute entre Brig et Sierre. Plusieurs milliards sur plus de 30ans. Corruption. Fausses factures.
-Chez Nespresso, saisi record de cocaïne en 2022.
-Nestlé a fait travailler des enfants en Côte d'ivoire.
-Moins en moins de neige. Les glaciers fondent vitesse grand V.
-Scandales UBS et Crédit Suisse en milliards.
-La BNS (Banque Nationale Suisse) a perdu en 2022, 132 milliards de CHF. C'est abyssale.
-Banque Suisse Reyl condamnée.
-L'argent du Liban 🇱🇧 planqué entre 300 et 500 millions de $.
-L'argent du Cameroun 🇨🇲 dilapidé par Paul Biya depuis 40ans à Genève.
-L'argent de l'Afghanistan 🇦🇫(CHF 3.2 milliards) gardé à Bâle. Pendant que le peuple meurt de faim, sans chauffage.
-Discrimination anti Français (Lire Marie Maurisse, journaliste Le Monde, livre : Bienvenue au Paradis.)
-La fondue Gerber n'a plus le droit d'utiliser le drapeau Suisse sur ses emballages car les ingrédients viennent de l'étranger. Toblerone aussi.
-Salon de l'auto Genève encore annulé. 4 fois à la suite.
-Routes pas toujours salées.
-arnaque twint.
-arnaque bois de chauffage.
-Le cash interdit dans des marchés de Noël.
-700 000 habitants sans eau potable sur environ 8.5 millions d'habs.
-Pollution : Dioxines dans les sols Lausannois. Adieu les potagers.
-UBS condamnée en décembre 2021. 1.8 milliard d'€. Démarchage bancaire illégal. Blanchiments.
-...

[@thefrenchguard6999]

Everyone needs to support any candidates who support getting rid of the electoral college, abolishing lobbying and who want to put a stop to being able to own stocks while voting on bills.

[@ComputerGeekOnTwoWheels]

The happiest people on the planet live in Switzerland. What does that say?

[@oudloek]

Says who?

[@Balion1976]

it is actually Denmark and rest of Scandinavia, but Switzerland is way up there^^

[@Corleone_Napoleone]

You are delusional!
If you believe YT, you are in deep💩
😂😂😂😂

[@Bokkie100k]

​@@oudloekthe World Happiness Report and many other surveys consistently show countries with good health care and social security ranking in the top 10, unlike the US.

[@twill9278]

It's Finland for the last 5 years.

[@JoseP-hj5zo]

No one loses their home to pay medical bills in Switzerland .

[@hippodinoreserve6090]

No one can afford a home in Switzerland. They are all renters.

[@AG-dk6qb]

😆

[@ZeN8Th7]

​@@hippodinoreserve6090 still swiss is better. At least I can die in peace

[@KLMT01]

@@hippodinoreserve6090😯

[@mattg4836]

That's lower than most Americans pay and they get something in return for the taxes.

[@johnfranklin5277]

Where do you think welfare money, food stamps comes from?? A money tree??? It comes out of the taxes collected from our pay checks! Infrastructure we all use, paid for by the government , from TAX MONEY! Health care and hospitalization for people who have no insurance, or money? From taxes . Attorneys that are appointed to people who cannot afford one in court trials?? From Taxes. The ARMED FORCES....TAXES.

[@iambloopy]

@@johnfranklin5277 okay calm down sheesh

[@dougs7367]

@@johnfranklin5277 And you think welfare and food stamps are great? lol
And armed forces? We spend billions on that which could pretty much end hunger, homelessness and lack of healthcare altogether

[@juli1favre]

@@johnfranklin5277doesn’t mean that it is well spent

[@christophedelannoy9216]

La Suisse🇨🇭 est une confédération bananière, oligarchie. (Droit d'urgence...)
La Suisse est une illusion, un mirage :
-La Suisse a été condamné plusieurs fois récemment par la CEDH (Cour Européenne des Droits de l'Homme).
-Taxes pour les chiens, taxes poubelles, serafe (TV), prix du coiffeur, téléphonie, contrôle des habitants, assurances, crèche CHF 3000/mois, SBB CFF (trains), parkings, cinéma à CHF 20 de base la place...
-Plusieurs hôtels 5 étoiles de ville sans spa.
-Matière fécale dans la baie de Montreux.
Algues, puces de canard, cyanobactéries mortelles pour l'Homme. Chiens morts Neuchâtel.
-plein d'allophones en Suisse. Qui ne parlent aucune langue nationale.
-Fin de la neutralité. Entrée à l'ONU.
-Fin du secret bancaire.
-Pas de code du travail mais un code des obligations déboulonné.
-Les Suisses transforment parfois des licenciements (même abusifs) en démission pour éviter de payer le chômage malgré les cotisations.
C'est du vol. Les Suisses appellent ça le chômage auto-infligé.
-Beaucoup de jugements à huis clos comme en Corée du Nord. Sans avocat aussi.
-J'ai fait condamner plusieurs juges pour viol du droit à l'écoute.
-Gros problèmes de drogues dans le canton de Vaud. Rixes mortelles au Flon. Dealers Lausanne, Vevey.
-Attentat à Morges.
-Beaucoup de travaux. gares, routes, autoroutes. Embouteillages monstres.
-Scandale trains trou de tolochenaz.
-Scandale construction autoroute entre Brig et Sierre. Plusieurs milliards sur plus de 30ans. Corruption. Fausses factures.
-Chez Nespresso, saisi record de cocaïne en 2022.
-Nestlé a fait travailler des enfants en Côte d'ivoire.
-Moins en moins de neige. Les glaciers fondent vitesse grand V.
-Scandales UBS et Crédit Suisse en milliards.
-La BNS (Banque Nationale Suisse) a perdu en 2022, 132 milliards de CHF. C'est abyssale.
-Banque Suisse Reyl condamnée.
-L'argent du Liban 🇱🇧 planqué entre 300 et 500 millions de $.
-L'argent du Cameroun 🇨🇲 dilapidé par Paul Biya depuis 40ans à Genève.
-L'argent de l'Afghanistan 🇦🇫(CHF 3.2 milliards) gardé à Bâle. Pendant que le peuple meurt de faim, sans chauffage.
-Discrimination anti Français (Lire Marie Maurisse, journaliste Le Monde, livre : Bienvenue au Paradis.)
-La fondue Gerber n'a plus le droit d'utiliser le drapeau Suisse sur ses emballages car les ingrédients viennent de l'étranger. Toblerone aussi.
-Salon de l'auto Genève encore annulé. 4 fois à la suite.
-Routes pas toujours salées.
-arnaque twint.
-arnaque bois de chauffage.
-Le cash interdit dans des marchés de Noël.
-700 000 habitants sans eau potable sur environ 8.5 millions d'habs.
-Pollution : Dioxines dans les sols Lausannois. Adieu les potagers.
-UBS condamnée en décembre 2021. 1.8 milliard d'€. Démarchage bancaire illégal. Blanchiments.
-...

[@mary_syl]

In Switzerland these taxes go back to the people - healthcare for all, very affordable education, pension, maternity leave, unemployment insurance up to 2 years etc etc...... what do your taxes buy you?
In Switzerland you do not have to fear a thing - not getting sick, not having accidents, getting old, losing your job. No existential dread for your family or yourself ever. That is absolutely priceless ❤

[@CodepageNet]

yeah, the list is very misleading. only the first 3 are taxes. and he even lists the pension fund, directly going into his pockets.

[@professormeow3399]

@@CodepageNetNot to mention the church taxes, which aren't even mandatory, but ok.

[@iMonZ00]

Can we please remove the church tax? It’s not mandatory it’s optional so why is it in this video?

[@Blefiz]

Oh, thanks for that info, I was baffled that you had to pay church tax.

[@falenone11]

Oh so it is opt in?

[@kek_fighter319]

Because some people are religious? Around 60% of switzerland is christian

[@saucearmy]

As long as you‘re protestant or catholic you have to pay.

[@debashismishra6765]

@@kek_fighter319 so atheist & scientist are forced to pay tax for fake god workers tax? what kind of democracy is that?

[@georgegalbraith6881]

I'm Swiss, and these vids are BS. Dude has NO clue how Suisse works.

[@mikefish8226]

Give your own breakdown of $200k income in Zurich.

[@mentefria98]

I was looking for this comment😂

[@Stormy7573]

THANK YOU 🙏🏼

[@abacab87]

Give us the breakdown of your salary. I notice a lot of the US ones are bullshit too, like I live middle class lifestyle and the government picks up 100% of medical insurance, even if the insurance does kind of suck.

[@Lisah707]

@@abacab87the Govt does not. It’s called Medicaid. The blue states like NY and California pay into it, it’s then funneled out to the red states and coined whatever the state chooses to call it. So in CA we call it Medi-cal.

[@bluemavryk]

Not quite correct. Every municipality in Zürich has its own tax ratio, but for sake of your example, lets assume it is the municipality of Zürich.
Church tax is not compulsory - you can declare you have no faith & you will not be charged this tax.
These calcs change depending on if you own assets, property, live with codependents, earn income or have assets in other countries, age, sex & nationality.
Its nice to think these are 1:1 comparisons, but they arent.
My $140K income in Zürich as a single man saw a total of 16% of total deductions.
In Fribourg it was 24%.
Cost of living in Zürich is WAY higher than in Fribourg. This is not an accurate apples to apples comparison.

[@merickclare]

Wow. You have a lot of income

[@that1niceguy246]

​@@merickclare Switzerland has a higher cost of living and therefore higher wages and a higher minimum wage though these things can vary from canton to canton. The highest minimum wage is in Geneva, around 25 Francs per hour.

[@drmarkrieke]

Definitely worth it to live in a safe and sane society

[@traceyhordern222]

As an Australian, taxes are not so different here. I lived in the States (NYC, almost the States) and I could not get my head around the wealth inequality, the terrifying prospect of getting sick, etc etc. America is capitalism-on-crack, and it's ugly. To vote Trump in as president says everything you need to know about the country.

[@markpalmer8083]

It's not capitalism. It's elitism, fueled by corrupt fiat money that steals from you through inflation and benefits the wealthy elite. All roads lead to Bitcoin. It's inevitable now.

[@theadventuresofgaryandtamm8759]

I have lived in the states my whole life, I have never had to pay a dime for my medical insurance. I do have small deductibles ($100/year) and copay’s, usually $5-$10. Trump had nothing to do with your argument.

[@GoingGoneGalt]

Please... Tell us how the current grifter is better, since you know so much about it.

[@larrymccue8097]

@@GoingGoneGalt I'll bet you are a beauty......

[@GoingGoneGalt]

@@larrymccue8097 People usually buy me a drink before they start hitting on me.

[@lockman004]

I pay a larger percentage of my income in taxes here in the United States, and the services the taxes pay for are poorly delivered and I'm made to feel like 2nd class citizen when I try to collect what is due me and I can't find a doctor that will take me as a client because I'm forced to use medicare. Now I'm looking to move to Portugal when my retirement income will allow me to live a better life with better medical care.

[@Alleycat1921]

I have a lady friend who lives in Zurich. I visited her for a couple of weeks, and she is doing well on far less than 200k per year.

[@menooNFT]

multiple of these aren't even mandatory. might aswell throw in random expenses like "yearly new car" or stuff like that

[@larrymccue8097]

No tent cities.

[@michaelmoore292]

Yeah you paying for other people's not working

[@larrymccue8097]

What a sad person to think like that.

[@michaelmoore292]

As someone who spent his life working I am all for charity but I get to choose the ones I give to not the government as we see they choose charities I would rather not support

[@sick9990101]

@@michaelmoore292 you don't mean this? The whole point eg. of health insurance is that individuals are not deciding if and how much they shall pay.

[@Vinicius-kc9pq]

@@michaelmoore292it’s the opposite, look at California… they pay hundreds to homeless and guess what, it still has one of the biggest numbers of homeless in the us

[@williamhagman2586]

Way better off than us

[@christophedelannoy9216]

La Suisse🇨🇭 est une confédération bananière, oligarchie. (Droit d'urgence...)
La Suisse est une illusion, un mirage :
-La Suisse a été condamné plusieurs fois récemment par la CEDH (Cour Européenne des Droits de l'Homme).
-Taxes pour les chiens, taxes poubelles, serafe (TV), prix du coiffeur, téléphonie, contrôle des habitants, assurances, crèche CHF 3000/mois, SBB CFF (trains), parkings, cinéma à CHF 20 de base la place...
-Plusieurs hôtels 5 étoiles de ville sans spa.
-Matière fécale dans la baie de Montreux.
Algues, puces de canard, cyanobactéries mortelles pour l'Homme. Chiens morts Neuchâtel.
-plein d'allophones en Suisse. Qui ne parlent aucune langue nationale.
-Fin de la neutralité. Entrée à l'ONU.
-Fin du secret bancaire.
-Pas de code du travail mais un code des obligations déboulonné.
-Les Suisses transforment parfois des licenciements (même abusifs) en démission pour éviter de payer le chômage malgré les cotisations.
C'est du vol. Les Suisses appellent ça le chômage auto-infligé.
-Beaucoup de jugements à huis clos comme en Corée du Nord. Sans avocat aussi.
-J'ai fait condamner plusieurs juges pour viol du droit à l'écoute.
-Gros problèmes de drogues dans le canton de Vaud. Rixes mortelles au Flon. Dealers Lausanne, Vevey.
-Attentat à Morges.
-Beaucoup de travaux. gares, routes, autoroutes. Embouteillages monstres.
-Scandale trains trou de tolochenaz.
-Scandale construction autoroute entre Brig et Sierre. Plusieurs milliards sur plus de 30ans. Corruption. Fausses factures.
-Chez Nespresso, saisi record de cocaïne en 2022.
-Nestlé a fait travailler des enfants en Côte d'ivoire.
-Moins en moins de neige. Les glaciers fondent vitesse grand V.
-Scandales UBS et Crédit Suisse en milliards.
-La BNS (Banque Nationale Suisse) a perdu en 2022, 132 milliards de CHF. C'est abyssale.
-Banque Suisse Reyl condamnée.
-L'argent du Liban 🇱🇧 planqué entre 300 et 500 millions de $.
-L'argent du Cameroun 🇨🇲 dilapidé par Paul Biya depuis 40ans à Genève.
-L'argent de l'Afghanistan 🇦🇫(CHF 3.2 milliards) gardé à Bâle. Pendant que le peuple meurt de faim, sans chauffage.
-Discrimination anti Français (Lire Marie Maurisse, journaliste Le Monde, livre : Bienvenue au Paradis.)
-La fondue Gerber n'a plus le droit d'utiliser le drapeau Suisse sur ses emballages car les ingrédients viennent de l'étranger. Toblerone aussi.
-Salon de l'auto Genève encore annulé. 4 fois à la suite.
-Routes pas toujours salées.
-arnaque twint.
-arnaque bois de chauffage.
-Le cash interdit dans des marchés de Noël.
-700 000 habitants sans eau potable sur environ 8.5 millions d'habs.
-Pollution : Dioxines dans les sols Lausannois. Adieu les potagers.
-UBS condamnée en décembre 2021. 1.8 milliard d'€. Démarchage bancaire illégal. Blanchiments.
-...

[@MicheleLeimbacher]

Pension contributions are not taxes and you have not mentioned that Swiss can deduct a lot of expenses, such as travel (train or car), food (lunches eaten out if you live too far from your home to return at noon, dependents, and pension payments are also deductible. Each canton and commune has a different rate as well, but in general you could expect taxes to be 15- 25 % depending on those deductions. If you own a home, you can also deduct the interest payment on your loan and renovations as well.

[@TheVampyrOfMyli]

Bruh all these taxes and it's still cheaper than Canada 😆

[@schmo7777]

Canada is a shit hole. Highest taxes for lowest return to the taxpayers. All goes to reserves and government squander, and freeloaders.

[@thethreatwrestling.7053]

In Canada will be around 60% of the salary in taxes 😂

[@frosty848]

We are getting hit hard with inflation because of Blackface McGee

[@ZeN8Th7]

​@@thethreatwrestling.7053Justin Trudeau even wants taxes from you just for breathing the Canadian air

[@Brian-dg3gh]

I’m betting it’s actually more than 32% for many people. In Canada we pay more than that. As a small business owner I have to collect 13% sales tax on everything we do that goes straight to the government. Then 2% to
WSIB (workplace safety and insure board). I’m half way to 30% before even paying any income tax.

[@Soupdawg1900]

Dang man, that’s a decent tax rate and the church gets a cut too!

[@dougs7367]

The church doesn't deserve a cut

[@Why_u-lie]

@@dougs7367 it does if someone has other religion or no religion beliefs that’s why to it’s not mandatory

[@joeyvalenti2287]

31.5% average tax rate isn’t bad at all for what you get there. I would’ve expected much higher tbh

[@ergj1663]

Dude it’s probably worst in USA if you make that kind of money

[@Seahorse0418]

My husband and I make that kind of money and I can tell you it’s 200% worse. We paid well over 40k in taxes and we pay for our own healthcare. The US is lying to you! And me! And all of us. Vote Blue! Make Elon pay his fucking share !

[@ralfw7263]

You are mixing tax and social security contribution - such wrong information given by you here

[@barbaraseiler9750]

doesn't matter, all goes to the state and you have to pay it.

[@MicheleLeimbacher]

@@barbaraseiler9750 Yes, but it comes back to you when you retire and is tax deductable. All benefits are deducted from your income so you don't pay tax on your brut. I live in Switzerland and have no religion, so I don't pay church tax. There are many deductions as well that Americans and Canadians don't get ( I am Canadian but am married to a Swiss and have been living in Switzerland for over 20years). After deductions, it usually works out to around 20%, which at a 200,000 salary would be 50% in Canada.

[@lukerider479]

@@MicheleLeimbacher either way you pay a church tax so that’s messed up

[@pulpmysteryfan]

I wouldn’t call a pension fund contribution a tax.

[@chrisubias7135]

Yeah. May taxed higher, but their standard of living is a hell of a lot better than the US. Plus. I’ve been there. It is a beautiful country and the government looks after their citizens well being

[@peigenz]

Church tax can bo avoided if you say "I have no religion". Pension fund is your money, not tax. Usually total income tax rate is 28% in Zurich, but you can live low tax region which could go down about 21%

[@lukerider479]

Are they punishing you for having a religion?

[@christophedelannoy9216]

La Suisse🇨🇭 est une confédération bananière, oligarchie. (Droit d'urgence...)
La Suisse est une illusion, un mirage :
-La Suisse a été condamné plusieurs fois récemment par la CEDH (Cour Européenne des Droits de l'Homme).
-Taxes pour les chiens, taxes poubelles, serafe (TV), prix du coiffeur, téléphonie, contrôle des habitants, assurances, crèche CHF 3000/mois, SBB CFF (trains), parkings, cinéma à CHF 20 de base la place...
-Plusieurs hôtels 5 étoiles de ville sans spa.
-Matière fécale dans la baie de Montreux.
Algues, puces de canard, cyanobactéries mortelles pour l'Homme. Chiens morts Neuchâtel.
-plein d'allophones en Suisse. Qui ne parlent aucune langue nationale.
-Fin de la neutralité. Entrée à l'ONU.
-Fin du secret bancaire.
-Pas de code du travail mais un code des obligations déboulonné.
-Les Suisses transforment parfois des licenciements (même abusifs) en démission pour éviter de payer le chômage malgré les cotisations.
C'est du vol. Les Suisses appellent ça le chômage auto-infligé.
-Beaucoup de jugements à huis clos comme en Corée du Nord. Sans avocat aussi.
-J'ai fait condamner plusieurs juges pour viol du droit à l'écoute.
-Gros problèmes de drogues dans le canton de Vaud. Rixes mortelles au Flon. Dealers Lausanne, Vevey.
-Attentat à Morges.
-Beaucoup de travaux. gares, routes, autoroutes. Embouteillages monstres.
-Scandale trains trou de tolochenaz.
-Scandale construction autoroute entre Brig et Sierre. Plusieurs milliards sur plus de 30ans. Corruption. Fausses factures.
-Chez Nespresso, saisi record de cocaïne en 2022.
-Nestlé a fait travailler des enfants en Côte d'ivoire.
-Moins en moins de neige. Les glaciers fondent vitesse grand V.
-Scandales UBS et Crédit Suisse en milliards.
-La BNS (Banque Nationale Suisse) a perdu en 2022, 132 milliards de CHF. C'est abyssale.
-Banque Suisse Reyl condamnée.
-L'argent du Liban 🇱🇧 planqué entre 300 et 500 millions de $.
-L'argent du Cameroun 🇨🇲 dilapidé par Paul Biya depuis 40ans à Genève.
-L'argent de l'Afghanistan 🇦🇫(CHF 3.2 milliards) gardé à Bâle. Pendant que le peuple meurt de faim, sans chauffage.
-Discrimination anti Français (Lire Marie Maurisse, journaliste Le Monde, livre : Bienvenue au Paradis.)
-La fondue Gerber n'a plus le droit d'utiliser le drapeau Suisse sur ses emballages car les ingrédients viennent de l'étranger. Toblerone aussi.
-Salon de l'auto Genève encore annulé. 4 fois à la suite.
-Routes pas toujours salées.
-arnaque twint.
-arnaque bois de chauffage.
-Le cash interdit dans des marchés de Noël.
-700 000 habitants sans eau potable sur environ 8.5 millions d'habs.
-Pollution : Dioxines dans les sols Lausannois. Adieu les potagers.
-UBS condamnée en décembre 2021. 1.8 milliard d'€. Démarchage bancaire illégal. Blanchiments.
-...

[@salvadorvargas8026]

Sounds great! We should the same in the United States😂😊😂

[@WillieFungo]

Thats an etremely low tax rate for that level of income.

[@franklinloll2229]

You know that's not true.

[@eddies_]

@@franklinloll2229 im not an accountant but i think half the income means half your taxes but the unemployement insurance and stuff is the same so i think it would be about 60% the amount of taxes here if you earned 100k. 60% of 63 is 37.8% so it would be 37,800 in taxes which isnt ridiculously high compared to coutnries in the nordics and germany which can go up to 40 or even 50%

[@irfanberd]

I pay no much less than that amount in a lower income and I don't and I won't ever enjoy the benefits of been a Swiss citizen.

[@switzerland]

You can skip the church tax by saying you are not a member of the church.

[@falenone11]

Why isn't it opt in by default?

[@switzerland]

@@falenone11 It is, but usually your still religious parents opt you in. You inherit that and have to opt out.

[@jozefsnopek352]

@@falenone11 if you move in as an immigrant, they will ask you about your faith and you can say none.

[@emimon2351]

If you are Swiss and have a high paying job, that is. Not the case for everyone

[@Jkp564]

And somehow they managed to have greater wealth and lower debt the the us citizens…

[@franklinloll2229]

Much fewer citizens and no illegals.

[@that1niceguy246]

​@@franklinloll2229 Those illegals do the cheap low paid work many americans wouldn't do anyway.

[@ninakramer276]

@@franklinloll2229 Canada welcomes immigrants and encourages ppl to emigrate to Canada. Our country is huge and workers are needed.

[@lukerider479]

@@ninakramer276 I think you forgot to put the word illegal in-front of immigrant in your comment. You welcome illegals to your country just like the US.

[@SwagHaxks]

Alot of these taxes arent taxes. Pension fund is given to you

[@axela4606]

In Canada they would take 75k from 200k and leave us with one of the worst health care in the Western World, increasing crime and a housing and grocery crisis

[@aaronbertram1951]

That's actually not bad at all.

[@philnorton9723]

Not nearly as bad as England.

[@sueq144]

Quality of life....priceless

[@Palau-government]

This is simply a legal robbery

[@annm.7176]

It's pretty high here in that tax bracket too.

[@michaelk5265]

And we don’t get 99% of the benefits.

[@stephenpowell2723]

But what about food quality, time off, benefits, community, people? If all else is great I would gladly pay it. Whereas in America taxes are lower but people, govt, food, and mindset is pure poison.

[@Hhhh22222-w]

Still pretty good to me

[@generator6946]

Add them up and US taxes on 200k are well past 50%!
And THEN you pay insurance premiums!
35%. For a country and a society that really works!
Count me in!

[@animexcomics9384]

Wtf is church tax , I thought that system ended after 17's.

[@BenoSaradzic]

Exactly my question.

[@jeremyleonbarlow]

Switzerland is also a DIRECT DEMOCRACY, and it has the highest per capita percentage of millionaires and the highest average net worth of any country on earth aside from the microstates of Lichtenstein and Monaco. I think they are doing something right.

[@cecilkjohnson]

One of the happiest societies in the world today.

[@kathydavies4589]

Wrong..its a country of many sad miserable people..most are suffering from depression n mental health.been there Lived there..n waited to get out asap

[@dassolosyndikat5113]

​@@kathydavies4589Yes you are right! Miserable, cold people and cold weather, grey cities, nothing spectacular.

[@Crasseuxdu1700]

​@@kathydavies4589 true, it is very competitive especially for young swiss people. You won't starve but you can't own anything and people are very vulnerable financially. Most people can't own a flat or even a car, but they work in average 42 hours a week. You have to rent everything and it can be taken from you at any given moment. I lost multiple friends from s*icide. They had to install nets/barriers on bridges in my city because people wouldn't stop jumping.

[@christophedelannoy9216]

Hahaha. Stop believe lies. 'happy' hahahaha.
La Suisse🇨🇭 est une confédération bananière, oligarchie. (Droit d'urgence...)
La Suisse est une illusion, un mirage :
-La Suisse a été condamné plusieurs fois récemment par la CEDH (Cour Européenne des Droits de l'Homme).
-Taxes pour les chiens, taxes poubelles, serafe (TV), prix du coiffeur, téléphonie, contrôle des habitants, assurances, crèche CHF 3000/mois, SBB CFF (trains), parkings, cinéma à CHF 20 de base la place...
-Plusieurs hôtels 5 étoiles de ville sans spa.
-Matière fécale dans la baie de Montreux.
Algues, puces de canard, cyanobactéries mortelles pour l'Homme. Chiens morts Neuchâtel.
-plein d'allophones en Suisse. Qui ne parlent aucune langue nationale.
-Fin de la neutralité. Entrée à l'ONU.
-Fin du secret bancaire.
-Pas de code du travail mais un code des obligations déboulonné.
-Les Suisses transforment parfois des licenciements (même abusifs) en démission pour éviter de payer le chômage malgré les cotisations.
C'est du vol. Les Suisses appellent ça le chômage auto-infligé.
-Beaucoup de jugements à huis clos comme en Corée du Nord. Sans avocat aussi.
-J'ai fait condamner plusieurs juges pour viol du droit à l'écoute.
-Gros problèmes de drogues dans le canton de Vaud. Rixes mortelles au Flon. Dealers Lausanne, Vevey.
-Attentat à Morges.
-Beaucoup de travaux. gares, routes, autoroutes. Embouteillages monstres.
-Scandale trains trou de tolochenaz.
-Scandale construction autoroute entre Brig et Sierre. Plusieurs milliards sur plus de 30ans. Corruption. Fausses factures.
-Chez Nespresso, saisi record de cocaïne en 2022.
-Nestlé a fait travailler des enfants en Côte d'ivoire.
-Moins en moins de neige. Les glaciers fondent vitesse grand V.
-Scandales UBS et Crédit Suisse en milliards.
-La BNS (Banque Nationale Suisse) a perdu en 2022, 132 milliards de CHF. C'est abyssale.
-Banque Suisse Reyl condamnée.
-L'argent du Liban 🇱🇧 planqué entre 300 et 500 millions de $.
-L'argent du Cameroun 🇨🇲 dilapidé par Paul Biya depuis 40ans à Genève.
-L'argent de l'Afghanistan 🇦🇫(CHF 3.2 milliards) gardé à Bâle. Pendant que le peuple meurt de faim, sans chauffage.
-Discrimination anti Français (Lire Marie Maurisse, journaliste Le Monde, livre : Bienvenue au Paradis.)
-La fondue Gerber n'a plus le droit d'utiliser le drapeau Suisse sur ses emballages car les ingrédients viennent de l'étranger. Toblerone aussi.
-Salon de l'auto Genève encore annulé. 4 fois à la suite.
-Routes pas toujours salées.
-arnaque twint.
-arnaque bois de chauffage.
-Le cash interdit dans des marchés de Noël.
-700 000 habitants sans eau potable sur environ 8.5 millions d'habs.
-Pollution : Dioxines dans les sols Lausannois. Adieu les potagers.
-UBS condamnée en décembre 2021. 1.8 milliard d'€. Démarchage bancaire illégal. Blanchiments.
-...

[@SwagHaxks]

​@@kathydavies4589its 4th in the world if ur talking about ranking

[@chrisolson3240]

Not as much as I thought it would be.

[@alouisschafer7212]

Americans: Look they have taxes in Europe wow! 😂
If I lived there id have no problem paying taxes it's great country really I've been there a couple times it's like an Oasis in the middle of Europe if the rest of Europe was a Desert 😅
Even Germany lacks behind Switzerland in many aspects imo and our taxes are HIGHER.
If you make 200k here you get to keep 50-60%! And arguably that's my money going down the drain

[@KollerAmok]

At least the government uses the taxes for good

[@billj9838]

100% taken care of

[@facemobbnation]

Yup after almost $70,000 in fucking taxes wtf😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 fuck that

[@maxoberg4642]

?? What are you talking about…

[@franklinloll2229]

They also have homeless.

[@nmb3217]

More like taken advantage of …church tax wtf? You can miss me with all that stuff…not giving no church a penny..

[@lukerider479]

What’s their income in retirement? It comes with paid healthcare right?

[@anonymousdevildog1406]

MUCH BETTER Than the USA.

[@alanmoore2197]

Pension Fund Contributions certainly are not taxes, Insurance may not be either depending on circumstances. In the US you have Federal & State Taxes, Property Taxes (on Homes & Autos), Social Security (like pension case above), Medical Insurance Costs and also out of pocket (medical/dental/vision) - since Switzerland provides this) to be fair you'd compare the cost of equivalent accident insurance and unemployment insurance too. You have to compare apples to apples on costs & benefits. Most Swiss get paid well relative to similar jobs in other countries too.

[@JGlennFL]

For that you get fantastic public transit, health care that won't make you go broke if you get sick, and free college for people who qualify.

[@homeyg7543]

Better services and tax rate than America

[@steelisthemeal]

Gasoline prices are really high because of huge taxes
& everything has a value added tax as well
So in the end ya taxes will be higher in that country

[@that1niceguy246]

​@@steelisthemeal Better wages though, as well as a much better public transport system, especially in regards to trains.

[@steelisthemeal]

@@that1niceguy246 in USA you could build the best public transport system ever
& it would be extremely dangerous to ride because of so many criminals riding to take advantage of the traveling public
Public transport ya don’t own it & its not necessarily going where you are going
Yeah good for the workers going to the city center
👍

[@SwagHaxks]

​@@steelisthemealpension fund is given to you
Church tax is optional i say its better

[@Wilem35]

Imagine having all the benefits those taxes offer including healthcare, education, retirement pension instead of one of the highest poverty and childhood morbidity rates in the developed world as America does?

[@dabakonader]

And the taxes are lower/non existent for people with lower salaries. The rich pay for the poor in a sense.

[@barbaraseiler9750]

lower, but in no way non existant. it's still a big chumk even on modest incomes

[@Hhhh22222-w]

​@@barbaraseiler9750 the Swiss government wont suck you dry tho, plus some of those taxes you pay are actually more like hedge funds, as in you reap the reward later when yoh retire

[@sagittariusa9012]

@@barbaraseiler9750 I would say 10% isn't a "Big chunk"

[@barbaraseiler9750]

@@sagittariusa9012 If you need already to be very thrifty anyway, yes 10% is a big chunk. and rhen, there's health insurance, not formally taxes but in fact, it is one. which easily adds another 10% - 20%.

[@sagittariusa9012]

@@barbaraseiler9750 I pay 340.- which includes supplementary health insurance. How is this 10-20%? Base is about 250.- CHF. It depends what franchise you chose.

[@strafrag1]

There's no way in hell I'd ever pay a church tax.

[@leonbey9593]

You are paying it, they don't pay any

[@747492WW]

You are paying it now , on the State level many churches in many States are tax ex exempt. . 😂

[@JuanGarcia-tg4od]

Not bad at all.

[@christophedelannoy9216]

Hahaha. Stop believe lies.
La Suisse🇨🇭 est une confédération bananière, oligarchie. (Droit d'urgence...)
La Suisse est une illusion, un mirage :
-La Suisse a été condamné plusieurs fois récemment par la CEDH (Cour Européenne des Droits de l'Homme).
-Taxes pour les chiens, taxes poubelles, serafe (TV), prix du coiffeur, téléphonie, contrôle des habitants, assurances, crèche CHF 3000/mois, SBB CFF (trains), parkings, cinéma à CHF 20 de base la place...
-Plusieurs hôtels 5 étoiles de ville sans spa.
-Matière fécale dans la baie de Montreux.
Algues, puces de canard, cyanobactéries mortelles pour l'Homme. Chiens morts Neuchâtel.
-plein d'allophones en Suisse. Qui ne parlent aucune langue nationale.
-Fin de la neutralité. Entrée à l'ONU.
-Fin du secret bancaire.
-Pas de code du travail mais un code des obligations déboulonné.
-Les Suisses transforment parfois des licenciements (même abusifs) en démission pour éviter de payer le chômage malgré les cotisations.
C'est du vol. Les Suisses appellent ça le chômage auto-infligé.
-Beaucoup de jugements à huis clos comme en Corée du Nord. Sans avocat aussi.
-J'ai fait condamner plusieurs juges pour viol du droit à l'écoute.
-Gros problèmes de drogues dans le canton de Vaud. Rixes mortelles au Flon. Dealers Lausanne, Vevey.
-Attentat à Morges.
-Beaucoup de travaux. gares, routes, autoroutes. Embouteillages monstres.
-Scandale trains trou de tolochenaz.
-Scandale construction autoroute entre Brig et Sierre. Plusieurs milliards sur plus de 30ans. Corruption. Fausses factures.
-Chez Nespresso, saisi record de cocaïne en 2022.
-Nestlé a fait travailler des enfants en Côte d'ivoire.
-Moins en moins de neige. Les glaciers fondent vitesse grand V.
-Scandales UBS et Crédit Suisse en milliards.
-La BNS (Banque Nationale Suisse) a perdu en 2022, 132 milliards de CHF. C'est abyssale.
-Banque Suisse Reyl condamnée.
-L'argent du Liban 🇱🇧 planqué entre 300 et 500 millions de $.
-L'argent du Cameroun 🇨🇲 dilapidé par Paul Biya depuis 40ans à Genève.
-L'argent de l'Afghanistan 🇦🇫(CHF 3.2 milliards) gardé à Bâle. Pendant que le peuple meurt de faim, sans chauffage.
-Discrimination anti Français (Lire Marie Maurisse, journaliste Le Monde, livre : Bienvenue au Paradis.)
-La fondue Gerber n'a plus le droit d'utiliser le drapeau Suisse sur ses emballages car les ingrédients viennent de l'étranger. Toblerone aussi.
-Salon de l'auto Genève encore annulé. 4 fois à la suite.
-Routes pas toujours salées.
-arnaque twint.
-arnaque bois de chauffage.
-Le cash interdit dans des marchés de Noël.
-700 000 habitants sans eau potable sur environ 8.5 millions d'habs.
-Pollution : Dioxines dans les sols Lausannois. Adieu les potagers.
-UBS condamnée en décembre 2021. 1.8 milliard d'€. Démarchage bancaire illégal. Blanchiments.
-...

[@thechocolatemonster3392]

More taxes in California than this

[@debashismishra6765]

how is it a tax haven then?

[@mousamkonwar12]

Switzerland is not a tax haven

[@debashismishra6765]

@@mousamkonwar12 which are tax havens for IT people in Europe than?

[@Micha-bp5om]

@@debashismishra6765 Romania

[@bob_-js4gd]

@@debashismishra6765no capital gains.

[@SrPicolo]

Total tax in Brazil - 27,5%
And you need your own life insurance, pay school for your kids, and live in a good non violent place.
People from these countries that the government pays for good public schools and healthcare and security cries too much about taxes.

[@MichaelIrish]

I'm a disabled vet being evicted after 13 years so the landlord can get double the rent.
Serving was the worst thing I ever did.

[@philly9701]

I don’t want the government to take care of me.

[@HYroglif]

Then move to murca!

[@Techinvestor567]

but that makes it much cheaper😘

[@WillieFungo]

​@@Techinvestor567 No it doesn't. It's only cheaper for poor people. High earners can take care of themselves.

[@Techinvestor567]

@@WillieFungo No, general healthcare is cheaper for everyone in case of a sickness, regular visits to the doctor, teeth treatments, etc. Since every 3rd or even 2nd person will eventually be diagnosed with cancer in their lives for example, the average treatment costs are less than what you paid in until that time. If you add other sicknesses, medications, doctors visits and regular teeth treatments, it is cheaper even for the very rich. There is a reason why the best functioning countries in the world (the US is not among the top) have that kind of healthcare.

[@WillieFungo]

@@Techinvestor567 You have no point. Private healthcare does the exact same thing. And funny enough, many of the wealthy people in your special little countries opt for it themselves. Gee, I wonder why?

[@bellakrinkle9381]

These funds are what support our Governments - and what do they help us with? We support their jobs and salaries - yet do they give us a voice?

[@bellakrinkle9381]

I live in the US.

[@Magnificent-qr4rn]

All BS...Far too much taxes, and contributions....FACTS 💯

[@StephieBshort]

It's about what I pay percentage wise at my family's income lvl where I live in the US 🤷their system of commerce is more like the US than many other European countries.

[@Magnificent-qr4rn]

@@StephieBshort Far too BS taxes involved in Switzerland 🇨🇭

[@Luna-qt9hq]

lol their taxes are relatively low

[@Hhhh22222-w]

​@@Magnificent-qr4rn it's low actually, Germans pay close to 50, Americans pay almost 60

[@Magnificent-qr4rn]

@Haru Yanto it's all a Ponsi scheme to me , rather you're paying taxes in 🇨🇭 Swiss , U.S or Antarctica , it's all a Dam scam.... and Dammit!! That's FACTUAL 💯

[@tancreddehauteville764]

$136,000 is still a heck of a lot more than 98% of people earn!!

[@jamesshoemaker684]

Approximately the same percentage iPay and they have far better social programs

[@armyveteran101st]

And yet, their standard of living is among the highest in the world, and no one goes broke because of health care or education costs. They are a lot better off than we are here in America in many ways.

[@TheVampyrOfMyli]

Hey Switzerland, can I retire there? If I had money and just wanted to come and live, could I just do a citizenship by investment? For residency?

[@esportbets]

You don't even need to invest, you can just show you have a couple of million in your bank account and you will be granted a 5y permit.
Probably contact an immigration lawyer first to answer all of your questions. Rate is around 300 CHF/hr.

[@JustVisiting]

We effectively pay more in the USA with all the after tax expenses that Switzerland would cover.

[@shahidakhan6361]

Better than USA

[@glennthompson3060]

Must be nice when you don’t have to militarily protect the world.

[@barbaraseiler9750]

no one asked you, the USA, to meddle everywhere with your army. Just go home and make some order in your own country. bye bye.

[@Hhhh22222-w]

You mean militarily terrorise*

[@flexx7543]

While sinking your teeth deep to suck any possible economic benefits? Talk about trying to have it both ways!

[@DmMoiMienNamke.mandimoiroNgu]

Protect 😂😂😂😂😂

[@DmMoiMienNamke.mandimoiroNgu]

U mean destablize for power hegemony?

[@aristides1918]

hint.. about the same here in the US. But we don't get even close the benefits the Swiss get.

[@user-tg8dy8pd9h]

He neglects to mention how many homeless people are filling the streets and how many go without medical. People are taken care of by this government. Trade their tax system any day for ours in the USA.

[@warthog123]

Considering the number of services and their high quality, its much cheaper than US.

[@happyevelyn]

The Pension contribution is NOT a tax its their investment in retirement income.

[@reppingl]

You don’t have to pay the church tax

[@saucearmy]

As ling as you protestant or carholic you have to pay. If you officially leave the church you don’t have to pay.

[@chrismcdermott7766]

The price of living in in a place where your taxes are actually used to improve your lifestyle.

[@chicklets4ever51]

That doesn't seem too unfair. It's worse for the French, especially the independent businesses for things like plumbing, electricity, etc. They pay almost 50% on far smaller incomes.

[@diverdan2005]

I moved to Switzerland 7 years ago after growing up In AZ over 25 years. I have no intentions of moving back to the states. No government is actually looking out for their people, but Switzerland at least is trying. 70% paid unemployment for 400 working days... Starting at 3 weeks paid vacation from day 1... People looking to be an artist starting their career can survive on a normal 1 job a person.
There is no minimum wage here, but a McDonalds worker gets 25chf/hour

[@GoingGoneGalt]

Not nearly as bad as the US, and they actually get something for their taxation, unlike us. We just get screwed.

[@drewphillips288]

No slums, livable pension and great healthcare

[@charlescarter7496]

in America, earn $200,000, Tax $356,000. Pension non existent. social programs denied, earned above $1400.

[@shawncarpenter7087]

What they don't tell you should be the concern. That's not all true just study these history and you just might be surprised what they have done in their past.

[@Wisteria__Lane]

what are you talking about

[@doctorstrangelove9487]

Yes they tax a lot but they care of the people they don’t spend 100 billion on F-35 and 100 billion in Ukraine and 850 billion a year on military industrial complex.