The scene, by it's core design, is meant to be frustratingly vague. The real death scene of Aerith was in the church, when she said goodbye, knowing she's about to die. This, is for setting up the absolute mind-fu*k Cloud is going to go through at the Northern Crater. All of this whisper/fate/timeline stuff is all leading to making everything past the Northern Crater as high stakes as possible. It's annoying how vague and straight up little we get for the next game, but I genuinely believe it's for the best.
I think you might have it wrong. Sephiroth and Aerith were fighting for control of the situation, but not on the sides you think. All of this did actually happen. The rainbow effect that engulfs Cloud's sword as he parried Sephiroth's blade was the same effect shown previously when Zack made a divergent choice that splintered the timeline. Sephiroth was TRYING to allow Cloud to stop him from killing Aerith, because he knew that was the way the story was originally supposed to go. Aerith was trying to make sure events played out as in the original, knowing she would die. She'd made peace with that, and knew that her death with the White Materia was necessary to save the world from Meteor. Sephiroth had mentioned that his goal was to absorb the Lifestream of these doomed worlds fated to die and transcend his own fate. Towards that end, he WANTED Cloud to save Aerith and create a new fracture where she lives and Meteor destroys Gaia since Holy and the Lifestream don't manifest to stop it. He intends to suck the Lifestream of this new world Cloud created with his desperate attempt to save Aerith. However, Cloud, having created this new timeline, has his consciousness trapped between the two. He can see and speak to the Aerith who lived, while also being stuck in the reality where she died. He didn't initially realize what had happened, which is why he's not affected like the others. To him, she didn't die, but the reality is that she did in this world. I think the devs knew that fan's biggest question at the end of Remake was whether Rebirth would let us save Aerith. But from both a fan and a plot perspective, they knew they couldn't let her live. So the idea of multiple timelines doomed to collapse into one came to be, using Zach as the bait. Aerith had to die, but since there's now a reality where she lived, they left open the option to bring her back in the 3rd game for the finale, the same way Zach returned in Rebirth. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with Cloud's fractured consciousness; shattered by Mako and Jenova, then again by Sephiroth and split across realities. What's real, what's fake, and what's simply in another timeline? It brilliantly keeps the audience guessing because they know Cloud is an unreliable narrator, so they can't trust anything about this ending until it's confirmed one way or the other in the finale.
Yes this is what I think as well. Also we never got Aeriths great gospel, etc. I think she will be back in some way for the third game. Maybe this time she will actually survive all of it at the end.
Thanks for the praise. If you are interested I go more in depth in the video I posted after this. It's a bit longer but check it out if you are interested!
Great video. One thing about the part where Cloud deflects Sephiroth's sword that I don't see a lot of people talking about is the fact that Cloud steps forward to deflect the blade and is then standing behind her. What is interesting about it is that after we snap back to reality, and we see the Masamune covered in blood, Cloud is still standing behind her. Which to me means that Cloud did do something, it's not as though he simply imagined himself deflecting the blade, he did it - but the results only affected another world. In the Beagle world, the effects were probably overwritten or "corrected" by Sephiroth's Whispers. This is the one thing about the non-Beagle worlds that I'm not sure about, which is just how physically "real" they are. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that they are "within the Lifestream" and are therefore not physically real but I do think Cloud created a World Where Aerith Was Saved, which will have some kind of significance in Part 3.
yeah her fate couldn't change because this game leads to advent children and I'm sure they put Zack in this game just to meet with Aerith and help cloud from the life stream@@BrettGrankeMusic
I agree with this. I also think it's worth noting that the game developers have zack tell cloud to save aerith *after* she has already died in the current world(this isn't something game devs would do for no reason), as well as the fact that zack told marlene he'd make cloud better so that cloud can save her
To add to that, we see the rainbow/prism effect occur, the same prism effect that occured everytime Zack made a desision, creating a branching timeline. Furthermore, where he says "Cloud doesn't see the blood", I'm inclined to believe that the POV shot of Cloud and Aerith is Tifa's POV going back and forth between two different timelines: one with her dead and one with her just passed out. However, Tifa probably doesn't realize what she sees in that moment because she thinks Aerith is dead. As for how she can see that, keep in mind that she fell into the Mako and had her own Lifestream experience. However, she doesn't continue to see it because she hasn't had as much Mako exposure as Cloud and hasn't jumped through as many "portals" as Cloud has.
@@xmant8842Cloud already "saved" Aerith without Zack helping him. Zack has been trying to play catch-up throughout the whole game. He does not know what happened.
Great video. Completely agree, I think part 3 is going to hit hard. They could even piece out the lifestream scene in part 3 when cloud is comatose in mideel. This could be what Zach does in part 3 interlude scenes. They have already established that cloud can peer into these lifestream worlds while he’s asleep. That way not to much is dumped all at once when tifa and cloud fall into the lifestream
Hmmmm. I have a feeling that people will hate the lifestream segment if they include other characters in it (like Zack or Aerith). I'm absolutely convinced that the majority of the fanbase loves that scene because she's the only one who helps him (making them reaffirm their reasons for their Cloud x Tifa ship). They bring this point up to justify her importance in the story of the OG game, when her actual importance happens in act 3.
@@martinaguiluz4063 No doubt that's a sticking point for some people. That's why I suggested at least for Cloud's revelations about Zach be done when Cloud is comatose in Mideel, before Cloud and Tifa fall into the lifestream together. I mean it was even hinted at with Zach telling Cloud how about we save the catching up for later. ultimately its up to the devs on how they want to structure everything, and I have faith they will knock it out of the park. As for Aerith it doesn't bother me either way. I personally think Aerith is an important enough person to both Cloud and Tifa that including her in some way doesn't ruin it for me. It would be a chance for both Cloud and Tifa to both grieve together. That's just my opinion though.
Aerith is going to have more of a role in part 3 than she did in OG. However, Aerith doesn't serve a purpose in restoring Cloud's mind in the Lifestream. Zack shouldn't be there either. It is Tifa's character moment.
@@mysticlightning7655 I wouldn't say she doesn't serve a purpose. Aerith can definitely help with that without "stealing" Tifa's spotlight. But we really don't know atm, we'll have to wait to see how they recreate that segment of the game.
@@martinaguiluz4063 Aerith doesn't have anything to do with the Nibelheim stuff with Cloud's memories. She already has an important role in the story, like the multiverse/timeline stuff and the white whisperers. I don't think they will change the Lifestream scene just because Aerith is omni. It will take away Tifa's moment if Aerith does show up to help.
I love the idea of Sephiroth lying and telling Cloud that he is the one who killed Aerith. It makes sense because of how the party was kept separate with the whisper wall this time. The only problem I have with this theory is that Sephiroth threw Aeriths blood off of HIS sword onto Aerith and Cloud. If Cloud can’t remember that then it could work, but if he does remember it’s a giveaway. Her blood was on Sephiroths sword not his. Some people are even saying Cloud actually did kill Aerith this time, but again the blood being thrown onto them gives it away for me 🤷🏻♀️
@@Uhoh_itsAshley I guess it depends on how much was blocked out from Cloud. The blood swatted at him dissapears. Itll be interesting to see how they handle it!
@@nostalgiaverse9892 I agree with that he totally could have blocked it out but he did see it because he tried to duck it but it still hit him and he starts trippin and Aerith steps in with the mental shield. I could see that but if he does remember it wouldn’t work. Ngl I blocked out the blood in my own head when I played the game the first like 3 times I beat it. I literally never saw the blood and I thought I saved her too. It wasn’t until I started watching ending explained vids I realized he threw blood at me and I may have imagined saving Aerith 😭
Interesting really I completely agree about the emotional aspect of that theory but I think you some elements. Cloud crossed a portal when the rest of the team didn’t. Putting him at an other « dimensional level » than the rest of the team. We already had a glimpse of the burial scene when Cloud lays Aerith on the ground before fighting Jenova (take a look at her hands) it’s more like we are witnessing two or more « realities » on top of each other’s at this convergent point. Barret pov is a bloody scene ( blood on the ground and on Aerith wrist) but Tifa sees 2 scenes a bloody and unbloody version. Already pointing to a different scenario. Cloud sees trough his other self; in chapter 8 while sleeping and in chapter 12 being awake at that time. So what are his abilities now? Not to mention that if he can see he may hear too and the scene that follows is Marleen explaining to Zack how Aerith dies. When do we see that green halo breaking Cloud free ? After the 3 elements of Marleen’s descriptions appear; Aerith wakes up, she is happy to see her beloved Cloud but she dies. What does Cloud see ? Aerith opening her eyes, smiling at him and Sephiroth landing from the sky to kill her. A part of Cloud saw the scene and an other part of him had the description of that scene … Theory here: Like you I think Cloud deflecting Sephiroth attack didn’t happen here but it was a « projection » of him saving her in the other world. Let’s not forget that Cloud in the wheelchair is not corrupted by a fake persona. And when he takes her in his arm and ask her to wake up she doesn’t have her arms on her belly like before the boss fight but along her body like she is in her bed in the other world If Cloud can see the material world and the spiritual world it means that he is not so delusional. Moreover Cloud remembers the promise by himself, his childhood, he brought elements of the Mt Nibel incident to Tifa after the Gongaga incident spoiling that part of the OG lifestream. He already gave us the proof he is Cloud from Tifa’s childhood. When we visit Nibelheim in Rebirth Cloud remembers Zack like he does in the OG lifestream and Cloud talks to Tifa in her bedroom about similar topic as those addressed in the OG lifestream. (Their misunderstanding when they were kids) Pointing the fact that Cloud is already healing … that’d explain why he is on the edge. The truth in him is about to confront the fake persona. When he remembers Zack real/fake memories he doesn’t see him with the buster sword. I think seeing Zack with the buster will be the next step to break Cloud’s mind. Sephiroth says to Aerith he underestimated her before the final fight so it implies that she was present. By the way the fight itself happens in a white area while in advent children they only talk in that white « world » In the OG the illusion Sephiroth creates is the truth even if he tries to induce doubts and lied but the images he shows are the truth. Is the Beagel world a « dream world » like the other but just stronger? That’d explain why so many elements from the OG lifestream are happening. I just wanted to point out things that seems important but I maybe wrong of course. Thank you.
Idk, I respect your theory but I just can't like it if this turns out to be what they are planning. I prefer to think that Cloud is imagining Aerith because the trauma was so big that if he accepts she's dead, he'll break. To me, that's the best case because it would push his personality of a broken character even more, rather than he's truly seeing an Aerith but the party isn't. I hope you got my point :)
@@gabrielnovais871 I understand ! Myself I wish to see some stuff but I'm more a pragmatic kind of guy. I don't think I made a lot of theories. I just pointed some stuff that we can see in Rebirth. I really don't know what they are going to do. They didn't have to use Aerith to make him break in the OG. But he can break down now by no longer knowing what is real or not. "If I'm not a Solider maybe I didn't save her ...". If they want us as observer then they succeeded, many people think he is insane because of the lake scene and the final scene. "Poor Cloud when he is about to find out the truth ..." If they want us to be shocked as Cloud will be in part 3 ( My god she is dead !) then they shouldn't have showed us the sadness, the grieves of the others with the only explanation Aerith's death. Make us believe like Cloud that she is alive. The best example to play it that way is the movie the 6th sense with Bruce Willis. Showing Aerith on the field saying Goodbye when Cloud is not around to see her means that "she" is not an illusion. Or they played us. About the lake scene in that game there is something off. I don't understand why they put that scene so fast after "Cloud wakes Aerith up" I mean 30 secondes after you "believing" she is alive they show you a delusional Cloud and a "spooky Aerith" moreover the final scene is going to show you the same thing; a Cloud being the only one seeing her ... Imagine removing that scene. Cloud wakes Aerith up, Rufus scene, Zack scene, Weapons scene, robbed men scene and the final scene starts then you slowly start to understand there is something wrong with Aerith and Cloud and when you're about to question yourself "is she dead?" the end credit is rolling... By the way the entire lake scene doesn't appear during the end credit and the only character we see by the end is Aerith, the last time we see the others (except Cloud) is during the Jenova battle cut scene and the last time we see Cloud is when he is holding Aerith in his arms. Different memory's flow ? I don't know lol ...
It's true that they landed many emotional scenes great, but they also kinda messed up some. Dyne and Nanaki's emotional scenes were kinda negated & ruined by having Palmer slap his ass, Dio flex and Gi Nattak dropping lore right after. But to be fair, these are the only two emotional scenes that I thought were done way better & more emotional in the original, apart from Aerith's death, which we haven't seen yet. So I cannot 100% believe them that they won't mess it up a bit. But I hope they'll pull it off amazingly with all of my heart.
Thinking she is completely dead errases everything Sephiroth and the game showed us about the "worlds" and the rainbow effect that appears when a new world is created, you can see in 4:10 that the blood only appears in Clouds flashback/reflection of what happens in the original game and when we are brought into the Rebirth world Cloud lacks said blood. There is another thing like Aerith not noticing the air generated by the turbines of the tiny bronco at the ending but when she is with Cloud she notices them and in surprised by this, the whole "Aerith is 100% dead" theory crumbles when you don’t notice these details. Also Cloud being the only one that sees her connects with him being the only one to see the rift in the sky, she is alive in another world similar to what happened with Zack and the "main" world is in danger now because it shows a rift like the doomed one from the date and Zack’s world also worth noticing that at the end when it’s just Aerith we don’t see the rift so it could mean the word she is in isn’t in danger anymore.
Great video! I completely agree with you. I didn't think about Sephiroth minipulating Cloud into thinking he's the one who killed Aerith. That's pretty crazy! Makes me wish the game came out yesterday!
Cloud started to cry and Aerith came running back to make him feel better :( I think the phoenix from Loveless gives us a clue that death would not stop Aerith from coming back somehow. I'll spend the entire third game looking out for the smoke she said she will send haha!
Great theory video! I’ll be sure to stay tuned to your channel. I’m thirsty for some non toxic Rebirth discussions haha. I think another good place for some lore dump/revelations would be the Forgotten Capital. Remember, the party learned about Aerith’s Holy materia there in OG.
I love all the view points everyone is pointing out. Community is really theory crafting at the highest of levels and giving their explanations and I'm here for it. 😂
In The VR movie of Remake, you see a black robe with meteor falling behind him and he teleports around before turning into Sephiroth. If you look closely at that black robes' face, he looks like Cloud. Cloud thinking he killed Aerith and breaking and go full robe makes sense. In Remake, Cloud saw lots of future visions. In Rebirth he saw one, himself as a robe. It's going to happen.
It's possible. I question it because when he sees the Reunion scene from Marco it's not Cloud. I thought he could also see his face plastered on there in Rebirth because he thinks he is degrading & eventually going to become a black robe so it could just be a fear he manifested from that. But either is possible.
I think it is more likely that her actual death will be upon their return to the Forgotten Capital. I think it would bloat the LS sequence. Maybe they show that Cloud didn't kill her but I think we wont see the burial until we go back to the FC and Cloud is his true self again.
That's possible. I just figured with the rift in the sky from the worlds matching the rift from the OG Lifestream Sequence, Aerith & Zacks souls being tethered to Clouds conciousness, the LS makes a Clouds subconcious that we enter via the Lifestream, as well as focusing on revealing the truth Cloud actually knows it would be the appropriate place to do it. It could delve into how she actually died. The return to the Forgotten Capital is more focused on why she died which is the White Materia. How is she stopping Meteor, What does the White Materia do, did she activate it, does she need to be alive to use it, what are the ramifications of it. That's my take on it anyway but I could see it playing out differently I just think it's been set up to happen in the LS & to me makes the most sense with what's been set up & established in Rebirth to happen there.
Thanks man you really cleared a lot of the more confusing parts of that ending sequence up , FF7 is one of my all time favorite games and although the OG death was amazing and very impactful i'll admit it i cried some As it's emotional, however I can see your point, I guess we'll have to wait and see what part 3 has in store
Nice one. I, too, have been convinced for a while now that Sephiroth will make Cloud believe that he killed Aerith. Otherwise there is zero reason for him to fling the blood off his sword and onto Cloud's face, except if he has a weird kink for it (which, to be fair, is not entirely unthinkable). Oh and you have Vincent in your profile pic so that too is a couple instant plus points.
I wonder if any hidden paths are in the game... As a kid I thought sephiroth died, fell into the bright blue, then thought it was life stream, which makes sense with the crater. Vincent being an experiemwnt and turk could have better cross over with Zack and cloud and the weird memory merge that we know happens between jehova cells, so their is this psychic calling, like cicada or bugs that called back to the nest... the bodybof sephiroth males the most sense since it was the only unlocked unwrapped person being hojo and lucreatia son.. I think, which is related again to Vincent.. a real stretch is Vincent being an older experiement and a turk could he be really Zack.. no because of the chronicles later, but... cloud isn't cloud.. cloud as like everyone died back then... question we never get answered is how cloud survived,the 2 year gap when Tifa questions because she says it was actually 7... hobos angry that cloud is the only one jehova cells seem inept on... why? What makes cloud different? Lamb of God? The pure sacrifice against this abomination of jdhova becoming incarnate abandon or o liovion to the planet s life.. extinction events are fairly common... meh... 5 years and 7 years thing, puts two years in hojoa experienents and considered a failure... but then again he is drawn to jehova but as a conflict.. hmm
Great video! But in future videos, you should absolutely move the positioning of your face from the center of the screen to either the far right or far left corner.
I wish but unfortunately its 2027 at the absolute earliest. I wouldnt even mind waiting til 2028 though its gonna be the biggest best part yet & it's going to contain my favorite parts from the OG. Let them cook.
I wonder if Part 3 begins at the Northern Crater as the intro/prologue/chapter 1. Chapter 2 begins with Tifa in Junon and open world with the highwind (I'm guessing a limited form of open world, like how Rebirth opened up). We'll continue as usual and get Cloud back at the halfway point. Then when we finally return to Northern Crater (post Midgar Raid) we'll go via the Great Glacier and Gaia's cliff.
I don't think saying Cloud only imagined saving Aerith tracks. The biggest evidence we have that Cloud did save Aerith is Zack's choice between getting Cloud help or stopping Biggs. We know this universe splits off into different directions when vital choices are made. Knowing that means we also know there is a world where Cloud in fact saved Aerith, just like we know there is a world where Aerith never made it out of Midgar. Sepherioths entire goal is to collapse all the world into one, so he only has one Aerith to contend with, becuase he can beat one Aerith but as long as their are infinite Aeriths his plan can't succeed. I think the theory that Aerith can now travel between worlds and Cloud somehow sees between worlds tracks a lot better with what happened. HOWEVER that raises a bigger question. What IS Aerith, and exactly what were the ancients? That being said I wouldn't expect anything from Disc 2 & 3 to be the same in Part 3... execpt for Tifa slapping TF out of Scarlett, that's a must-have.
You should watch my Not a Sequel video. It contains a bunch of developer quotes talking about how everything wont stop the OG events from continuing to happen. Also if you reach out to me on Twitter I can show you an interview that says Aerith died because it follows the OG events, & that OG was about the sudden loss of her character, & Rebirths approach was Cloud being unable to cope with the loss of her character. I saw this interview after this video was made but it's hard confirmed she is dead. Where Zack & Aerith reside isnt some living world or alternate timeline, it is something within the spirit world.
@@nostalgiaverse9892 Of course the Devs can confirm Aerith is dead. In OG she died. Confirmed. However it's is also clear that in Remake Aerith knew of her upcoming fate not as a premonition but as a memory. This is confirmed when Marlene told Zack that Cloud has to save Aerith from the man with the sword. We see that Marlene was given one of Aerith's memories and I do say GIVEN because in Rebirth Aerith can't remember a lot of things she used to know. Then in the ending sequence Sephiroth said she was "hiding in a world that has already accepted its fate." All that is mutli-verse. What is also multi-verse is Stamp changing breeds every time the world is changed. The Devs made a very firm point of showing us Zack's Stamp isn't Remake's Stamp at the end of Remake. Stamp is even an entirely different breed from those two when Cloud and Aerith are on their Doomed Sector 5 date near the end. Cloud didn't reimagine Stamp and neither Sephiroth or Aerith would alter that detail to effect Cloud's mental state becuase it's not a detail Cloud would notice.
@johnw3922 Believe what you want to I was just giving you a heads up so you can keep an open mind & manage your expectations so you avoid disappointment. One of the main themes of FFVII is loss & dealing with it & they are sticking to that. I'll be happy to hear your reaction to Part 3 because you are exactly where the devs want people to be.
@@nostalgiaverse9892 we will never settle up on this. There is a 0% chance either of us remember this exchange when part 3 comes out in 4 years. I am only saying their is a ton of inconsistencies with FF7 not being a mutli-verse at this point.
If there ever will be a black robe cloud, I assumed the game will have Zack being the main role of the game for a certain amount of time while introducing himself to the group and with a hint of Aerith help. In my opinion, Zack’s death will happen as he tries to save his friend, cloud which makes the game even more emotional. Even before his death, Zack may face with Cloud in the game. Then, it’ll be up to Tifa to save Cloud. She quoted in rebirth, “ you saved me before, now it’s my turn”. In p3 there may be another beautiful kiss scene between them two ❤😊.
Bro when I seen Barret's arm was back? (During the trials) I yelled "OH F*CKING NOOOOO!!!!!! IM NOT READY FOR THIS!" I broke down crying! hahah! never happened to me playing a video game before.
5:00 check out how far away Sephiroth is standing from Cloud and Aerith. And you're seeing this from Barret's 1st person perspective. Sephiroth's sword is long but it ain't that long. Did he take 15 steps backwards after taking his sword out of the ground? You missed the part at 5:07 where they zoom in on Tifa's eyes too. Tifa is the one seeing Aerith both with and without blood, not Cloud. They animate that being from Tifa's 1st person view deliberately. I don't know. I think they are doing multi-world stuff again here but that's just me. Cloud being in heavy denial will of course be front and center in part 3, but I can't wait to see how they resolve the differing perspectives.
Well the devs have come out & said the scene is more centered around Clouds inability to cope with loss this time around so it's hard for me to believe shes "alive" & I'm pretty positive the "worlds" are spiritual in nature but we will find out soon enough. Like the idea though.
@@nostalgiaverse9892 The white materia traveling from the spiritual or dream world does show there's substance to the multi-world stuff. Remember that Aerith's materia in her hair became empty and clear. Cloud's inner turmoil and denial is something I can't wait to see expanded in part 3, but the multi-world stuff is not trivial.
@@nostalgiaverse9892 And yet the empty materia Aerith originally had wound up in Cloud's back pocket at the end of the game, and the full white materia that fell from Aerith's hair when she died is at the bottom of a lake. Not trying to dismiss your theory. For what it's worth I don't think Aerith is alive. Don't think they plan on her being alive at the conclusion of the story either. I do think they are planning on using the multi-world elements to add some impact to the narrative. Don't know why they would have included it if not. That's it.
@rsoxboy I'll be honest I have no idea where the empty white Materia thing is going. I'm excited to find out, but I wouldn't get too invested with Aerith being "alive". The devs have said before, & even after Rebirth, the OG events wont be changed in a significant way. Her being alive, is a significant change. But again I am under the assumption that the worlds are spiritual in nature, which was heavily alluded to in Rebirth so its hard for me to see Aerith or Zack as "alive". They still "exist". They haven't disseminated into the LS & lost their individuality which is also the case in Advent Children.
great details 😊 this is the first time I notice there's blood in cloud's hand when he was holding her hand and I have a question about the last scene when cloud was looking at the empty materia Aerith don't talk also her clothes didn't react to the branco's smook but when cloud was looking to the black materia she could speak with him and her clothes do react when the branco flys away. sorry for my bad English but I always think about that scene 😅 you made me exciting for the third one
Well Aerith is dead the party doesnt see her. Cloud can because her soul is tied to his as is Zacks as well as unfortunately Sephiroths. It also might have something to do with being a Cetra.
i absolutely loved it and would prefer a new game anyway rather than a 1:1 remake. seeing all the negativity is frustrating and some of the criticism has just been vile
IMO, Whether or not Cloud is blocking out her death and that he sees her and no one else does. Or they are saving the scene for last part, doesn't take away the fact that the scene had absolutely ZERO emotional impact. Ifalna's death was done better honestly.
But in Rebirth there was a lot to unpack with it so I didn't feel the same sure it sucks that Aerith died but I kinda expected that it would and then there's the multiple timeline stuff happening with a Version of Zack still being around that's also got me wondering what is really going on and what is the illusion, sorry for these long winded responses I don't usually type this much but this video has my interested in the future of this remake trilogy 😁
You probably don't keep up with the behind the scenes stuff but it's not timelines it's something more to do with the Lifestream Zack is still dead & nothing introduced is going to derail the OGs events. I would just take things as a new spin on an old story theyve said nothing significant is going to change. Theyve confirmed the game is going to still lead into Advent Children. The OG was made before all those other VII titles were even a thought so it will connect better to Crisis Core & Advent Children than the OG did.
I personally rate a theory based on the grounded nature of the content creator. As soon as you start predicting scenes in the 3rd part… oh we’ll probably see this and it’ll mean this; you’ve gone way too far. Beyond theorising into your own fantasy world. Like Max Dood saying we’ll probably see Genesis and scenes from Advent Children. Ok maybe. But probably?! Come on this 3rd part could go a million and 1 different ways.
I agree this isnt the only possibility. This is one theory of many I will be tackling in the lead up to Part 3. Dont think of it as me saying its going to happen, just something I think would be cool & interesting if it did.
The writer will just destroy whatever we put up as theory anyway. We don't really know if Beagle is even a real world or it's just Cloud's fever dream. Moreover, the writer didn't come up with the idea of 'worlds' and lifestream just for fun.
@@nostalgiaverse9892 trust me she's not. The creator said in an interview. That what they did in game one, is going to come full circle in the final instalment.
@@Chino-Kafu the devs never confirmed either dead or alive. they confirmed 3 possibilities. 1.somehow alive 2. a spirit communicating from the lifestream 3. hallucination & and also they said that the "glitchy headaches" while we see him holding Aerith...we can see it as Cloud not accepting what is happening....no further info in that Honestly we will only know once 3rd part will comes out.
I'm sure whatever that is will. But she is dead dead. Nomura hard confirmed it in case the scene confused anyone. Which it's clear the rest of the party sees her dead & Cloud doesnt. Theyve also said Advent Children still happens after this. So I wouldn't get my Hope's up for an Aerith revival or she was never dead.
Great video, but the title may be a spoiler for anyone who hasn't beaten Rebirth yet. The whole mission of Square-Enix with the ending was to subvert our expectations, playing off everyone's notions that she may or may not meet the same fate. Just saying.
@SnowCoveredKK I know. That wasn't my point. I was talking about the buildup to the point you realize she is dead, after being toyed with. Video titles like this have the potential to ruin that experience.
@@GeonusKaikun again the long time fandom of this game is not gonna cater to you. Sorry. You have all the tools and tech as what I assume. A young person would have based on you not playing this game. So get over it and move on take that shit somewhere else. The phantom is over and over people like you.
Understandable but Nomura said he didnt want that to happen but news outlets kept asking him about her fate so they caved in & made it debatable if she dies then Kitase said of course shes dead it that the events of the OG VII will continue to play out. Those who think this is some sequel will be let down because its confirmed over a dozen times to not significantly change the OGs events & that it still leads into Advent Children. If you want any of these quotes reach out to me on Twitter.
@@SnowCoveredKK Calm down, diva: I'm not talking about myself. I've obviously completed this game. Read carefully and stop losing your cool over nothing.
I know it is common knowledge about the classic FF7, but still, don't SPOIL IN THE TITLE!!! At least wait sometime after the release on PC. Many people like myself don't want to own a PS5 and are waiting for its exclusives to come to PC.
When a scene has me and thousands of others staring blankly and feeling nothing, it is not 'done brilliantly'. This seen was shit. The fact people are trying to explain it like it's FNAF lore also further proves it's a shit game with a shit story.
Always going to be hated by those that have scuffed IQ and need to be spoon fed. Or just mad because it isn't a cast iron copy of OG? 😄 You and thousands eh. All < 1% of the customer base. Much representative.
@@sygfridlink4148 and you will always have the Original. This is a video theorizing the potential it has being utilized in Part 3. I dont even consider this the true Aerith death scene which is yet to come I like to call this the Cloud trauma scene setting up that scene that's closer to the OG scene we all love. This is about the potential. But it's just a theory I'm having fun speculating the possibilities. Thank you for your opinion though.
The scene, by it's core design, is meant to be frustratingly vague. The real death scene of Aerith was in the church, when she said goodbye, knowing she's about to die. This, is for setting up the absolute mind-fu*k Cloud is going to go through at the Northern Crater. All of this whisper/fate/timeline stuff is all leading to making everything past the Northern Crater as high stakes as possible. It's annoying how vague and straight up little we get for the next game, but I genuinely believe it's for the best.
I think you might have it wrong. Sephiroth and Aerith were fighting for control of the situation, but not on the sides you think.
All of this did actually happen. The rainbow effect that engulfs Cloud's sword as he parried Sephiroth's blade was the same effect shown previously when Zack made a divergent choice that splintered the timeline. Sephiroth was TRYING to allow Cloud to stop him from killing Aerith, because he knew that was the way the story was originally supposed to go. Aerith was trying to make sure events played out as in the original, knowing she would die. She'd made peace with that, and knew that her death with the White Materia was necessary to save the world from Meteor.
Sephiroth had mentioned that his goal was to absorb the Lifestream of these doomed worlds fated to die and transcend his own fate. Towards that end, he WANTED Cloud to save Aerith and create a new fracture where she lives and Meteor destroys Gaia since Holy and the Lifestream don't manifest to stop it. He intends to suck the Lifestream of this new world Cloud created with his desperate attempt to save Aerith.
However, Cloud, having created this new timeline, has his consciousness trapped between the two. He can see and speak to the Aerith who lived, while also being stuck in the reality where she died. He didn't initially realize what had happened, which is why he's not affected like the others. To him, she didn't die, but the reality is that she did in this world.
I think the devs knew that fan's biggest question at the end of Remake was whether Rebirth would let us save Aerith. But from both a fan and a plot perspective, they knew they couldn't let her live. So the idea of multiple timelines doomed to collapse into one came to be, using Zach as the bait. Aerith had to die, but since there's now a reality where she lived, they left open the option to bring her back in the 3rd game for the finale, the same way Zach returned in Rebirth.
It'll be interesting to see how they deal with Cloud's fractured consciousness; shattered by Mako and Jenova, then again by Sephiroth and split across realities. What's real, what's fake, and what's simply in another timeline? It brilliantly keeps the audience guessing because they know Cloud is an unreliable narrator, so they can't trust anything about this ending until it's confirmed one way or the other in the finale.
Yes this is what I think as well. Also we never got Aeriths great gospel, etc. I think she will be back in some way for the third game. Maybe this time she will actually survive all of it at the end.
one of the most compelling and convincing theories yet , keep up the good work
Thanks for the praise. If you are interested I go more in depth in the video I posted after this. It's a bit longer but check it out if you are interested!
Great video. One thing about the part where Cloud deflects Sephiroth's sword that I don't see a lot of people talking about is the fact that Cloud steps forward to deflect the blade and is then standing behind her. What is interesting about it is that after we snap back to reality, and we see the Masamune covered in blood, Cloud is still standing behind her. Which to me means that Cloud did do something, it's not as though he simply imagined himself deflecting the blade, he did it - but the results only affected another world. In the Beagle world, the effects were probably overwritten or "corrected" by Sephiroth's Whispers.
This is the one thing about the non-Beagle worlds that I'm not sure about, which is just how physically "real" they are. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that they are "within the Lifestream" and are therefore not physically real but I do think Cloud created a World Where Aerith Was Saved, which will have some kind of significance in Part 3.
They say that when fate is defied, worlds split so it could be that she lived in another but will possibly still die in the end
yeah her fate couldn't change because this game leads to advent children and I'm sure they put Zack in this game just to meet with Aerith and help cloud from the life stream@@BrettGrankeMusic
I agree with this. I also think it's worth noting that the game developers have zack tell cloud to save aerith *after* she has already died in the current world(this isn't something game devs would do for no reason), as well as the fact that zack told marlene he'd make cloud better so that cloud can save her
To add to that, we see the rainbow/prism effect occur, the same prism effect that occured everytime Zack made a desision, creating a branching timeline. Furthermore, where he says "Cloud doesn't see the blood", I'm inclined to believe that the POV shot of Cloud and Aerith is Tifa's POV going back and forth between two different timelines: one with her dead and one with her just passed out. However, Tifa probably doesn't realize what she sees in that moment because she thinks Aerith is dead. As for how she can see that, keep in mind that she fell into the Mako and had her own Lifestream experience. However, she doesn't continue to see it because she hasn't had as much Mako exposure as Cloud and hasn't jumped through as many "portals" as Cloud has.
@@xmant8842Cloud already "saved" Aerith without Zack helping him. Zack has been trying to play catch-up throughout the whole game. He does not know what happened.
Great video. Completely agree, I think part 3 is going to hit hard. They could even piece out the lifestream scene in part 3 when cloud is comatose in mideel. This could be what Zach does in part 3 interlude scenes. They have already established that cloud can peer into these lifestream worlds while he’s asleep. That way not to much is dumped all at once when tifa and cloud fall into the lifestream
Hmmmm. I have a feeling that people will hate the lifestream segment if they include other characters in it (like Zack or Aerith). I'm absolutely convinced that the majority of the fanbase loves that scene because she's the only one who helps him (making them reaffirm their reasons for their Cloud x Tifa ship). They bring this point up to justify her importance in the story of the OG game, when her actual importance happens in act 3.
@@martinaguiluz4063 No doubt that's a sticking point for some people. That's why I suggested at least for Cloud's revelations about Zach be done when Cloud is comatose in Mideel, before Cloud and Tifa fall into the lifestream together. I mean it was even hinted at with Zach telling Cloud how about we save the catching up for later. ultimately its up to the devs on how they want to structure everything, and I have faith they will knock it out of the park. As for Aerith it doesn't bother me either way. I personally think Aerith is an important enough person to both Cloud and Tifa that including her in some way doesn't ruin it for me. It would be a chance for both Cloud and Tifa to both grieve together. That's just my opinion though.
Aerith is going to have more of a role in part 3 than she did in OG. However, Aerith doesn't serve a purpose in restoring Cloud's mind in the Lifestream. Zack shouldn't be there either. It is Tifa's character moment.
@@mysticlightning7655 I wouldn't say she doesn't serve a purpose. Aerith can definitely help with that without "stealing" Tifa's spotlight. But we really don't know atm, we'll have to wait to see how they recreate that segment of the game.
@@martinaguiluz4063 Aerith doesn't have anything to do with the Nibelheim stuff with Cloud's memories. She already has an important role in the story, like the multiverse/timeline stuff and the white whisperers.
I don't think they will change the Lifestream scene just because Aerith is omni.
It will take away Tifa's moment if Aerith does show up to help.
I love the idea of Sephiroth lying and telling Cloud that he is the one who killed Aerith. It makes sense because of how the party was kept separate with the whisper wall this time. The only problem I have with this theory is that Sephiroth threw Aeriths blood off of HIS sword onto Aerith and Cloud. If Cloud can’t remember that then it could work, but if he does remember it’s a giveaway. Her blood was on Sephiroths sword not his. Some people are even saying Cloud actually did kill Aerith this time, but again the blood being thrown onto them gives it away for me 🤷🏻♀️
@@Uhoh_itsAshley I guess it depends on how much was blocked out from Cloud. The blood swatted at him dissapears. Itll be interesting to see how they handle it!
@@nostalgiaverse9892 I agree with that he totally could have blocked it out but he did see it because he tried to duck it but it still hit him and he starts trippin and Aerith steps in with the mental shield. I could see that but if he does remember it wouldn’t work. Ngl I blocked out the blood in my own head when I played the game the first like 3 times I beat it. I literally never saw the blood and I thought I saved her too. It wasn’t until I started watching ending explained vids I realized he threw blood at me and I may have imagined saving Aerith 😭
Fantastic video. Love this! Also I like the way you described Aerith’s whispers as “pillowing” what’s happening for Cloud.
Thank you for the kind words
Interesting really I completely agree about the emotional aspect of that theory but I think you some elements.
Cloud crossed a portal when the rest of the team didn’t. Putting him at an other « dimensional level » than the rest of the team.
We already had a glimpse of the burial scene when Cloud lays Aerith on the ground before fighting Jenova (take a look at her hands) it’s more like we are witnessing two or more « realities » on top of each other’s at this convergent point.
Barret pov is a bloody scene ( blood on the ground and on Aerith wrist) but Tifa sees 2 scenes a bloody and unbloody version. Already pointing to a different scenario.
Cloud sees trough his other self; in chapter 8 while sleeping and in chapter 12 being awake at that time. So what are his abilities now? Not to mention that if he can see he may hear too and the scene that follows is Marleen explaining to Zack how Aerith dies.
When do we see that green halo breaking Cloud free ?
After the 3 elements of Marleen’s descriptions appear; Aerith wakes up, she is happy to see her beloved Cloud but she dies.
What does Cloud see ? Aerith opening her eyes, smiling at him and Sephiroth landing from the sky to kill her.
A part of Cloud saw the scene and an other part of him had the description of that scene …
Theory here:
Like you I think Cloud deflecting Sephiroth attack didn’t happen here but it was a « projection » of him saving her in the other world. Let’s not forget that Cloud in the wheelchair is not corrupted by a fake persona. And when he takes her in his arm and ask her to wake up she doesn’t have her arms on her belly like before the boss fight but along her body like she is in her bed in the other world
If Cloud can see the material world and the spiritual world it means that he is not so delusional.
Moreover Cloud remembers the promise by himself, his childhood, he brought elements of the Mt Nibel incident to Tifa after the Gongaga incident spoiling that part of the OG lifestream. He already gave us the proof he is Cloud from Tifa’s childhood. When we visit Nibelheim in Rebirth Cloud remembers Zack like he does in the OG lifestream and Cloud talks to Tifa in her bedroom about similar topic as those addressed in the OG lifestream. (Their misunderstanding when they were kids)
Pointing the fact that Cloud is already healing … that’d explain why he is on the edge. The truth in him is about to confront the fake persona. When he remembers Zack real/fake memories he doesn’t see him with the buster sword. I think seeing Zack with the buster will be the next step to break Cloud’s mind.
Sephiroth says to Aerith he underestimated her before the final fight so it implies that she was present. By the way the fight itself happens in a white area while in advent children they only talk in that white « world »
In the OG the illusion Sephiroth creates is the truth even if he tries to induce doubts and lied but the images he shows are the truth.
Is the Beagel world a « dream world » like the other but just stronger? That’d explain why so many elements from the OG lifestream are happening.
I just wanted to point out things that seems important but I maybe wrong of course.
Thank you.
Idk, I respect your theory but I just can't like it if this turns out to be what they are planning. I prefer to think that Cloud is imagining Aerith because the trauma was so big that if he accepts she's dead, he'll break. To me, that's the best case because it would push his personality of a broken character even more, rather than he's truly seeing an Aerith but the party isn't. I hope you got my point :)
@gabrielnovais871 Gotcha. Well I don't think its some imagination thing because Red XIII can sense her spirit.
@@gabrielnovais871 I understand ! Myself I wish to see some stuff but I'm more a pragmatic kind of guy. I don't think I made a lot of theories. I just pointed some stuff that we can see in Rebirth. I really don't know what they are going to do.
They didn't have to use Aerith to make him break in the OG. But he can break down now by no longer knowing what is real or not. "If I'm not a Solider maybe I didn't save her ...".
If they want us as observer then they succeeded, many people think he is insane because of the lake scene and the final scene. "Poor Cloud when he is about to find out the truth ..."
If they want us to be shocked as Cloud will be in part 3 ( My god she is dead !) then they shouldn't have showed us the sadness, the grieves of the others with the only explanation Aerith's death. Make us believe like Cloud that she is alive. The best example to play it that way is the movie the 6th sense with Bruce Willis.
Showing Aerith on the field saying Goodbye when Cloud is not around to see her means that "she" is not an illusion. Or they played us.
About the lake scene in that game there is something off. I don't understand why they put that scene so fast after "Cloud wakes Aerith up" I mean 30 secondes after you "believing" she is alive they show you a delusional Cloud and a "spooky Aerith" moreover the final scene is going to show you the same thing; a Cloud being the only one seeing her ...
Imagine removing that scene. Cloud wakes Aerith up, Rufus scene, Zack scene, Weapons scene, robbed men scene and the final scene starts then you slowly start to understand there is something wrong with Aerith and Cloud and when you're about to question yourself "is she dead?" the end credit is rolling...
By the way the entire lake scene doesn't appear during the end credit and the only character we see by the end is Aerith, the last time we see the others (except Cloud) is during the Jenova battle cut scene and the last time we see Cloud is when he is holding Aerith in his arms.
Different memory's flow ? I don't know lol ...
It's true that they landed many emotional scenes great, but they also kinda messed up some. Dyne and Nanaki's emotional scenes were kinda negated & ruined by having Palmer slap his ass, Dio flex and Gi Nattak dropping lore right after. But to be fair, these are the only two emotional scenes that I thought were done way better & more emotional in the original, apart from Aerith's death, which we haven't seen yet. So I cannot 100% believe them that they won't mess it up a bit. But I hope they'll pull it off amazingly with all of my heart.
That's understandable. I personally liked those scenes but I get where you are coming from. Alls we can do is hope for the best moving forward.
I love this explanation and I 100% agree on sticking the emotional beats and the tears won't run dry in pt 3.
Thinking she is completely dead errases everything Sephiroth and the game showed us about the "worlds" and the rainbow effect that appears when a new world is created, you can see in 4:10 that the blood only appears in Clouds flashback/reflection of what happens in the original game and when we are brought into the Rebirth world Cloud lacks said blood.
There is another thing like Aerith not noticing the air generated by the turbines of the tiny bronco at the ending but when she is with Cloud she notices them and in surprised by this, the whole "Aerith is 100% dead" theory crumbles when you don’t notice these details.
Also Cloud being the only one that sees her connects with him being the only one to see the rift in the sky, she is alive in another world similar to what happened with Zack and the "main" world is in danger now because it shows a rift like the doomed one from the date and Zack’s world also worth noticing that at the end when it’s just Aerith we don’t see the rift so it could mean the word she is in isn’t in danger anymore.
Great video! I completely agree with you. I didn't think about Sephiroth minipulating Cloud into thinking he's the one who killed Aerith. That's pretty crazy! Makes me wish the game came out yesterday!
This is all excellent!! So glad you brought in the Whirlwind Maze scenes!
Cloud started to cry and Aerith came running back to make him feel better :( I think the phoenix from Loveless gives us a clue that death would not stop Aerith from coming back somehow. I'll spend the entire third game looking out for the smoke she said she will send haha!
Great theory video! I’ll be sure to stay tuned to your channel. I’m thirsty for some non toxic Rebirth discussions haha. I think another good place for some lore dump/revelations would be the Forgotten Capital. Remember, the party learned about Aerith’s Holy materia there in OG.
Thank you.
The way I see it
Whirlwind Maze - Did Cloud kill her
Lifestream Sequence - true death scene revealed
Forgotten Capital - what she died for
Great analysis and vid! Thank you.
I love all the view points everyone is pointing out. Community is really theory crafting at the highest of levels and giving their explanations and I'm here for it. 😂
In The VR movie of Remake, you see a black robe with meteor falling behind him and he teleports around before turning into Sephiroth. If you look closely at that black robes' face, he looks like Cloud. Cloud thinking he killed Aerith and breaking and go full robe makes sense. In Remake, Cloud saw lots of future visions. In Rebirth he saw one, himself as a robe. It's going to happen.
It's possible. I question it because when he sees the Reunion scene from Marco it's not Cloud. I thought he could also see his face plastered on there in Rebirth because he thinks he is degrading & eventually going to become a black robe so it could just be a fear he manifested from that. But either is possible.
Aerith is alive, just not in our timeline.
In sure me in another timeline would agree with you.
I’m all for it except for the cloud kills aerith part. I think the “you watched and did nothing” will hit harder than “I made you do it”
I think it is more likely that her actual death will be upon their return to the Forgotten Capital. I think it would bloat the LS sequence. Maybe they show that Cloud didn't kill her but I think we wont see the burial until we go back to the FC and Cloud is his true self again.
That's possible. I just figured with the rift in the sky from the worlds matching the rift from the OG Lifestream Sequence, Aerith & Zacks souls being tethered to Clouds conciousness, the LS makes a Clouds subconcious that we enter via the Lifestream, as well as focusing on revealing the truth Cloud actually knows it would be the appropriate place to do it. It could delve into how she actually died. The return to the Forgotten Capital is more focused on why she died which is the White Materia. How is she stopping Meteor, What does the White Materia do, did she activate it, does she need to be alive to use it, what are the ramifications of it. That's my take on it anyway but I could see it playing out differently I just think it's been set up to happen in the LS & to me makes the most sense with what's been set up & established in Rebirth to happen there.
Thanks man you really cleared a lot of the more confusing parts of that ending sequence up , FF7 is one of my all time favorite games and although the OG death was amazing and very impactful i'll admit it i cried some As it's emotional, however I can see your point, I guess we'll have to wait and see what part 3 has in store
Nice one. I, too, have been convinced for a while now that Sephiroth will make Cloud believe that he killed Aerith. Otherwise there is zero reason for him to fling the blood off his sword and onto Cloud's face, except if he has a weird kink for it (which, to be fair, is not entirely unthinkable).
Oh and you have Vincent in your profile pic so that too is a couple instant plus points.
You mean Aerith is not giving Cloud the Jenova smile with her eyes? LMAO.
Maybe at sometimes it's a Jenova illusion but Red XIII can sense her spirit so that to me deconfirmed its Clouds imagination or a Jenova illusion
This is by far one of the best games I have ever played. I can't wait for part 3.
You people would think Square Enix branded faeces on a plate is "BRILLIANT".
I wonder if any hidden paths are in the game...
As a kid I thought sephiroth died, fell into the bright blue, then thought it was life stream, which makes sense with the crater. Vincent being an experiemwnt and turk could have better cross over with Zack and cloud and the weird memory merge that we know happens between jehova cells, so their is this psychic calling, like cicada or bugs that called back to the nest... the bodybof sephiroth males the most sense since it was the only unlocked unwrapped person being hojo and lucreatia son.. I think, which is related again to Vincent.. a real stretch is Vincent being an older experiement and a turk could he be really Zack.. no because of the chronicles later, but... cloud isn't cloud.. cloud as like everyone died back then... question we never get answered is how cloud survived,the 2 year gap when Tifa questions because she says it was actually 7... hobos angry that cloud is the only one jehova cells seem inept on... why? What makes cloud different? Lamb of God? The pure sacrifice against this abomination of jdhova becoming incarnate abandon or o liovion to the planet s life.. extinction events are fairly common... meh... 5 years and 7 years thing, puts two years in hojoa experienents and considered a failure... but then again he is drawn to jehova but as a conflict.. hmm
Great video! But in future videos, you should absolutely move the positioning of your face from the center of the screen to either the far right or far left corner.
Noted. Thanks for the input.
@@nostalgiaverse9892 my pleasure. I look forward to more of your videos on Remake theory
I hope part 3 release in 2025, love this game so so much! 😢😢😢
I wish but unfortunately its 2027 at the absolute earliest. I wouldnt even mind waiting til 2028 though its gonna be the biggest best part yet & it's going to contain my favorite parts from the OG. Let them cook.
Nah thats too soon
I wonder if Part 3 begins at the Northern Crater as the intro/prologue/chapter 1. Chapter 2 begins with Tifa in Junon and open world with the highwind (I'm guessing a limited form of open world, like how Rebirth opened up). We'll continue as usual and get Cloud back at the halfway point. Then when we finally return to Northern Crater (post Midgar Raid) we'll go via the Great Glacier and Gaia's cliff.
I don't think saying Cloud only imagined saving Aerith tracks.
The biggest evidence we have that Cloud did save Aerith is Zack's choice between getting Cloud help or stopping Biggs. We know this universe splits off into different directions when vital choices are made. Knowing that means we also know there is a world where Cloud in fact saved Aerith, just like we know there is a world where Aerith never made it out of Midgar.
Sepherioths entire goal is to collapse all the world into one, so he only has one Aerith to contend with, becuase he can beat one Aerith but as long as their are infinite Aeriths his plan can't succeed.
I think the theory that Aerith can now travel between worlds and Cloud somehow sees between worlds tracks a lot better with what happened.
HOWEVER that raises a bigger question. What IS Aerith, and exactly what were the ancients?
That being said I wouldn't expect anything from Disc 2 & 3 to be the same in Part 3... execpt for Tifa slapping TF out of Scarlett, that's a must-have.
You should watch my Not a Sequel video. It contains a bunch of developer quotes talking about how everything wont stop the OG events from continuing to happen. Also if you reach out to me on Twitter I can show you an interview that says Aerith died because it follows the OG events, & that OG was about the sudden loss of her character, & Rebirths approach was Cloud being unable to cope with the loss of her character. I saw this interview after this video was made but it's hard confirmed she is dead. Where Zack & Aerith reside isnt some living world or alternate timeline, it is something within the spirit world.
@@nostalgiaverse9892 Of course the Devs can confirm Aerith is dead. In OG she died. Confirmed.
However it's is also clear that in Remake Aerith knew of her upcoming fate not as a premonition but as a memory. This is confirmed when Marlene told Zack that Cloud has to save Aerith from the man with the sword. We see that Marlene was given one of Aerith's memories and I do say GIVEN because in Rebirth Aerith can't remember a lot of things she used to know.
Then in the ending sequence Sephiroth said she was "hiding in a world that has already accepted its fate."
All that is mutli-verse.
What is also multi-verse is Stamp changing breeds every time the world is changed. The Devs made a very firm point of showing us Zack's Stamp isn't Remake's Stamp at the end of Remake. Stamp is even an entirely different breed from those two when Cloud and Aerith are on their Doomed Sector 5 date near the end. Cloud didn't reimagine Stamp and neither Sephiroth or Aerith would alter that detail to effect Cloud's mental state becuase it's not a detail Cloud would notice.
@johnw3922 Believe what you want to I was just giving you a heads up so you can keep an open mind & manage your expectations so you avoid disappointment. One of the main themes of FFVII is loss & dealing with it & they are sticking to that. I'll be happy to hear your reaction to Part 3 because you are exactly where the devs want people to be.
@@nostalgiaverse9892 we will never settle up on this. There is a 0% chance either of us remember this exchange when part 3 comes out in 4 years. I am only saying their is a ton of inconsistencies with FF7 not being a mutli-verse at this point.
Great video, very in depth thank you
If there ever will be a black robe cloud, I assumed the game will have Zack being the main role of the game for a certain amount of time while introducing himself to the group and with a hint of Aerith help.
In my opinion, Zack’s death will happen as he tries to save his friend, cloud which makes the game even more emotional. Even before his death, Zack may face with Cloud in the game.
Then, it’ll be up to Tifa to save Cloud. She quoted in rebirth, “ you saved me before, now it’s my turn”. In p3 there may be another beautiful kiss scene between them two ❤😊.
Bro when I seen Barret's arm was back? (During the trials) I yelled "OH F*CKING NOOOOO!!!!!! IM NOT READY FOR THIS!" I broke down crying! hahah! never happened to me playing a video game before.
That scene was emotional. He had to live that shit twice felt so bad for Barret.
5:00 check out how far away Sephiroth is standing from Cloud and Aerith. And you're seeing this from Barret's 1st person perspective. Sephiroth's sword is long but it ain't that long. Did he take 15 steps backwards after taking his sword out of the ground?
You missed the part at 5:07 where they zoom in on Tifa's eyes too. Tifa is the one seeing Aerith both with and without blood, not Cloud. They animate that being from Tifa's 1st person view deliberately.
I don't know. I think they are doing multi-world stuff again here but that's just me. Cloud being in heavy denial will of course be front and center in part 3, but I can't wait to see how they resolve the differing perspectives.
Well the devs have come out & said the scene is more centered around Clouds inability to cope with loss this time around so it's hard for me to believe shes "alive" & I'm pretty positive the "worlds" are spiritual in nature but we will find out soon enough. Like the idea though.
@@nostalgiaverse9892 The white materia traveling from the spiritual or dream world does show there's substance to the multi-world stuff. Remember that Aerith's materia in her hair became empty and clear. Cloud's inner turmoil and denial is something I can't wait to see expanded in part 3, but the multi-world stuff is not trivial.
@rsoxboy Materia is just condensed Lifestream filled with memories & knowledge.
@@nostalgiaverse9892 And yet the empty materia Aerith originally had wound up in Cloud's back pocket at the end of the game, and the full white materia that fell from Aerith's hair when she died is at the bottom of a lake.
Not trying to dismiss your theory. For what it's worth I don't think Aerith is alive. Don't think they plan on her being alive at the conclusion of the story either. I do think they are planning on using the multi-world elements to add some impact to the narrative. Don't know why they would have included it if not. That's it.
@rsoxboy I'll be honest I have no idea where the empty white Materia thing is going. I'm excited to find out, but I wouldn't get too invested with Aerith being "alive". The devs have said before, & even after Rebirth, the OG events wont be changed in a significant way. Her being alive, is a significant change. But again I am under the assumption that the worlds are spiritual in nature, which was heavily alluded to in Rebirth so its hard for me to see Aerith or Zack as "alive". They still "exist". They haven't disseminated into the LS & lost their individuality which is also the case in Advent Children.
great details 😊 this is the first time I notice there's blood in cloud's hand when he was holding her hand and I have a question about the last scene when cloud was looking at the empty materia Aerith don't talk also her clothes didn't react to the branco's smook but when cloud was looking to the black materia she could speak with him and her clothes do react when the branco flys away. sorry for my bad English but I always think about that scene 😅
you made me exciting for the third one
Well Aerith is dead the party doesnt see her. Cloud can because her soul is tied to his as is Zacks as well as unfortunately Sephiroths. It also might have something to do with being a Cetra.
in my opinion that's the life stream Aerith she help hem just like in advent children@@nostalgiaverse9892
i absolutely loved it and would prefer a new game anyway rather than a 1:1 remake. seeing all the negativity is frustrating and some of the criticism has just been vile
The fuck dude!? You can't just have spoilers in the title like that. A lot of people are waiting on the PC release
😂😂 the game came out in 97.....pretty sure everyone knows what happens by now and if you don't well too bad
IMO, Whether or not Cloud is blocking out her death and that he sees her and no one else does. Or they are saving the scene for last part, doesn't take away the fact that the scene had absolutely ZERO emotional impact. Ifalna's death was done better honestly.
But in Rebirth there was a lot to unpack with it so I didn't feel the same sure it sucks that Aerith died but I kinda expected that it would and then there's the multiple timeline stuff happening with a Version of Zack still being around that's also got me wondering what is really going on and what is the illusion, sorry for these long winded responses I don't usually type this much but this video has my interested in the future of this remake trilogy 😁
You probably don't keep up with the behind the scenes stuff but it's not timelines it's something more to do with the Lifestream Zack is still dead & nothing introduced is going to derail the OGs events. I would just take things as a new spin on an old story theyve said nothing significant is going to change. Theyve confirmed the game is going to still lead into Advent Children. The OG was made before all those other VII titles were even a thought so it will connect better to Crisis Core & Advent Children than the OG did.
I personally rate a theory based on the grounded nature of the content creator. As soon as you start predicting scenes in the 3rd part… oh we’ll probably see this and it’ll mean this; you’ve gone way too far. Beyond theorising into your own fantasy world. Like Max Dood saying we’ll probably see Genesis and scenes from Advent Children. Ok maybe. But probably?! Come on this 3rd part could go a million and 1 different ways.
I agree this isnt the only possibility. This is one theory of many I will be tackling in the lead up to Part 3. Dont think of it as me saying its going to happen, just something I think would be cool & interesting if it did.
Not only Cloud cannot deal with trauma.... No people can. Time makes fools of us all, the future is promised to no one
I like that. Just like the caption says "No promises at Journeys End"😎
The writer will just destroy whatever we put up as theory anyway. We don't really know if Beagle is even a real world or it's just Cloud's fever dream. Moreover, the writer didn't come up with the idea of 'worlds' and lifestream just for fun.
I just beat the game like 3 weeks ago… man I would have been pissed if I scrolled past the title of a video like this 😂😂😂
I think something unexpected is going to happen. How shes dead but not really dead. Theres going to be a twist i garentee it .
Oh she's dead. That's not the twist lol
@@nostalgiaverse9892 trust me she's not. The creator said in an interview. That what they did in game one, is going to come full circle in the final instalment.
@@Chino-Kafu the devs never confirmed either dead or alive. they confirmed 3 possibilities. 1.somehow alive 2. a spirit communicating from the lifestream 3. hallucination
& and also they said that the "glitchy headaches" while we see him holding Aerith...we can see it as Cloud not accepting what is happening....no further info in that
Honestly we will only know once 3rd part will comes out.
I'm sure whatever that is will. But she is dead dead. Nomura hard confirmed it in case the scene confused anyone. Which it's clear the rest of the party sees her dead & Cloud doesnt. Theyve also said Advent Children still happens after this. So I wouldn't get my Hope's up for an Aerith revival or she was never dead.
@samuelreynaldoff Nomura did it came out after that statement. If you message me on Twitter I can send it to you.
Great video, but the title may be a spoiler for anyone who hasn't beaten Rebirth yet. The whole mission of Square-Enix with the ending was to subvert our expectations, playing off everyone's notions that she may or may not meet the same fate. Just saying.
The devs have confirmed she’s totally dead.
@SnowCoveredKK I know. That wasn't my point. I was talking about the buildup to the point you realize she is dead, after being toyed with. Video titles like this have the potential to ruin that experience.
@@GeonusKaikun again the long time fandom of this game is not gonna cater to you. Sorry. You have all the tools and tech as what I assume. A young person would have based on you not playing this game. So get over it and move on take that shit somewhere else. The phantom is over and over people like you.
Understandable but Nomura said he didnt want that to happen but news outlets kept asking him about her fate so they caved in & made it debatable if she dies then Kitase said of course shes dead it that the events of the OG VII will continue to play out. Those who think this is some sequel will be let down because its confirmed over a dozen times to not significantly change the OGs events & that it still leads into Advent Children. If you want any of these quotes reach out to me on Twitter.
@@SnowCoveredKK Calm down, diva: I'm not talking about myself. I've obviously completed this game. Read carefully and stop losing your cool over nothing.
You know something is well done when someone has to tell you that it's "good actually".
Ha!! Underrated comment
I know it is common knowledge about the classic FF7, but still, don't SPOIL IN THE TITLE!!! At least wait sometime after the release on PC. Many people like myself don't want to own a PS5 and are waiting for its exclusives to come to PC.
Or mute the relevant word / phrases. The majority don't have to pussy foot around for you.
Time to get over a 30 year old game. Not our fault if you STILL haven’t played it. We’re done with the spoilers comments for this game. Done.
No.
Yes.
@@nostalgiaverse9892 No. You believe men that lie about their sexes are women. No.
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No, it is not.
Maybe you'll see the bigger picture in the next game. If not, it doesnt delete the OGs existence. You'll always be able to enjoy that Original scene.
When a scene has me and thousands of others staring blankly and feeling nothing, it is not 'done brilliantly'. This seen was shit.
The fact people are trying to explain it like it's FNAF lore also further proves it's a shit game with a shit story.
Sorry you feel that way. At least you'll always have the OG.
Always going to be hated by those that have scuffed IQ and need to be spoon fed. Or just mad because it isn't a cast iron copy of OG?
😄 You and thousands eh. All < 1% of the customer base. Much representative.
*_You just unintentionally argued against your own point. The writers wanted to put you in Cloud’s headspace, and you just proved they succeeded._*
let me save you 40 mins, no is not, the original is better
@@sygfridlink4148 and you will always have the Original. This is a video theorizing the potential it has being utilized in Part 3. I dont even consider this the true Aerith death scene which is yet to come I like to call this the Cloud trauma scene setting up that scene that's closer to the OG scene we all love. This is about the potential. But it's just a theory I'm having fun speculating the possibilities. Thank you for your opinion though.
Purists crawling out their holes again