What Season 9's NEW Hitboxes Look Like in Overwatch 2!
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When he shot tracer as Mercy in the head directly it counted as a body shot
Came here to say the same thing lmao
Oh god
Because it hit tracer's hands. The same thing can happen with any character that puts their hands in front, such as hanzo while he's drawing an arrow.
@@idnerfthatit still hits her hands before hitting her head when its aimed at her head
@omega_random_guy2731 well the way to fix that would be to make the projectiles smaller so that they can pass through without touching. You can't have it both ways to be the size of logs and not be blocked off sometimes.
Lol, Symms selfheal is also insane because of her shields + passive.
Tbh after the totally butchered "rework" cut her some slack. The big alt fire hitbox though... xD
She deserves this buff
She can't heal turning combat??
It seems this is gonna be a Sym, Zen and Sigma poke meta, I guess...
I play sym as a dive character so I dunno what you mean@@Silas_Kow
Literally the first thing I did was jumping into practice range and test all of this stuff. Then I played 2 rounds and decided to play something else instead.
The projectiles didnt feel that different to me ingame the only point where i really noticed it was against hard to hit heroes like tracer and genji
Honestly couldn’t tell the difference with the hp buffs plus the slight self heal. Ppl over reacting as usual
@@zephy936 wait until a career bronze 5 repeatedly 2 shots you with storm arrow while aiming 2 meters away.
@@skrunklyOwO What I noticed while playing was 1. the projectile size increase and 2. the DPS passive. And just in general the game felt much more slowed down but not in a fun way because even with 2 main healers it wasn't possible to keep the tank even close to full health while also healing the others, providing utility and dealing damage. So the supports basically had to heal bot for the most part which didn't even kept 1 player alive. It felt miserable as dps and support at least. Didn't try tank yet but I expect something similar
It’s the hp, as well as the increased hotboxes. As a support, which got no increased healing, you have to heal 1.4x to 1.6x more just because the is so much more damage and up in the game.
Overwatch but with paladins hitboxes lol
game is slowly becoming paladins
ONG
Paladins 2
@@orbitae_Literally. First 5v5, now the new dps passive and slowing the game down
We just need the item shop and we’re set lmao.
After this bullet size change, i dont wanna see the statement that overwatch is a competitive game ever in any blog or article
0:42 bro the hitbox is so messed up, you literally shoot on her face and it counted as an bodyshot LMFAAAAO
Ya it connected with her guns hit box I think lol
The way nobody seems to comprehend the mechanics of hotboxes and how when a character takes up 75% of the screen you don’t have to be very accurate is amazing to me
@nathanwhitaker2929 you say this as if it makes sense for a bullet to go through a face and count as a body shot while the crosshair can be miles away and register a headshot. That should be due to them being closer and as such taking up more of your screen, not the hitboxes being obvious jank.
I fucking refuse to believe they ever tested this shit. No way someone open the game with these changes and went "Yup it's fine and totally competitive ready"
Because bullets in most shooters including overwatch don't actually fire from your gun. This 100% happened pre patch as well. The gun in first person is just a dummy. Third person view shows the real origin of the bullet. The closer you are to the target the more noticeable that discrepancy is.
This honestly feels like a bad dream, I genuinely cannot believe how terrible this update is, honestly I couldn’t fuck up the game this bad if I tried to
Agreed
Only in Overwatch can you punish a player for actually having good aim and reward a player for actually missing 🗑️
The amount of shots i was able to hit witz Hanzo today was crazy 😂 people are gonna be so annoyed with Spamzo.
I agree with Arrge's take on the changes to Hanzo. It's unironically going to be more annoying to play against him without his one-shot headshot because to be effective in a team fight and capitalize on the DPS passive, you are kind of forced to play Spamzo.
As a tracer i cant even crouch safely anymore. It was such an easy kill even skilled hanzos. Now its near impossible to dodge hs. Like literally i can crouch and itll still hit head from there previous placement
Bro he just peeks out for a fraction of a second, blindly shooting at the general direction of enemy fire and gets headshots
It's like they let IGN journalists test their patches for them
He didnt even try out the most egregious one: Mei primary fire. You can literally be aiming at the building next to Tracer in practice range and it still hits her.
season 9 is so cooked
it's honestly not even that different. Bigger hitboxes, but hitting people still felt about the same, more health but people died in a similar amount of time, overall it doesn't feel that different. Some of the damage break points are different like Ashe not one shotting Tracer, or Hanzo not one shotting anyone (except for Tracer and Widow), but overall they're just minor changes.
in the like 2 games i played since s9 launch i feel like hitscans are way more oppressive than they were last season@@Hietakissa
Torb and Sym are absolutely miserable to fight now this season, turrets proc dps passive so healing is not real@@kamella2563
@Hietakissa if it's not that different then why did they go through all of the trouble to make these changes to have a minimal effect on gameplay? They could have used these resources to develop better stat viewers, or being able to see stats in replays. It's wierd enough that they started with hitboxes bigger than the actual player model but they shouldn't be making them even bigger in my honest opinion.
Haven't played it and I'm glad it hasn't been awful for you but I'm curious. They keep making the game easier when it's supposed to be competitive, those are opposites.
They changed to punch to a kick for zen on the kill feed
Biggest loser of season 9 for hitboxes is Reaper, he is enormous not only for his BIG hitbox but with all sizes increase of bullets and projectiles
no, the biggest loser is junkrat. He lost his only kill potential combo
biggest loser is actually
@@jibbedyjoojajoo Bro's batteries died
well if the head hitbox becomes larger for most characters, that also means his spread can all headshot and one shot potential is higher for reaper
Speak for yourself I love spamming at the enemy team to deny healing
When the mountain you wanted to climb becomes an anthill...
Bro literally. I just put 100 hrs on soj widow tracer and 200 OK genji... for what?
@@Blrdman to die to a boosted Kiri 😘
@@comd.shepard Kiri is useless for damage unless she hits 3 headshots now with her slow ass fire rate and projectile speed. So I don’t see why Kiri is a problem. Her only value is heals and Suzu.
@@dejohn8529 Not if you are Tracer
@@comd.shepard So you only play Tracer? Just pick Sojurn or anyone else. I don't get how supports are troubling for DPS. I play Tracer myself, sure, Kiriko can be a neusance but if I pick any hero with (now) 250 hp Kiriko won't do shit and is an easy kill. Plenty of heroes can 1 shot Tracer and it somehow makes Kiriko a problem.
Who though the hit box change was a good idea? It went from skilled based shooter to arcade style real quick
As a soldier main im crying...
I am crying to
Its crazy how actually its not clickbait
Did you notice at 0:47 that your crosshair was on her head but it counted as a body shot?
it's because the bullet comes out the of actual 3d model, not the center of your screen - engines blow.
did you notice how that the crosshair was 5 towns over from the hero model and the shot still registered?
Tracer got doomfist's hit box 🤣🤣🤣
its actually crazy how they actually managed to kill their game.
Idk about "killed". I played with so many players that returned today. they were all in voice chat actually cracking jokes even when losing. I think they might be on to something here.
Dood
Chill
@ducasse8473 *neglects to adjust the dps numbers for more than 50% of tank, dmg, and support heroes for the inflated health pools yeah you guys will literally play with anything that has overwatch on it
This massive update where they actually trying things is where you say that. Holy sht no wonder devs don't listen to the dumbass playerbase
@piusdoe8984 they botched this update for obvious reasons that I already explained treating us like beta testers without the compensation and all you're doing is sucking blizzards dong out over a Mediocre step in the right direction instead of doing it right but like cod players you guys will play with literal dog shit as long as it has overwatch labeled all over it
if they really need to do this for a casual audience just adding +0.05 across the board was good enough... giving the biggest up to the biggest hitbox seems soo dumb.
Most of the player base is casual so it makes sense. Bigger audience, and not a lot of people want to play competitive.
@EchoAccord the thing is even the casuals hate this. They know their newfound "skill" isn't earned and it doesn't feel rewarding.
I think people are overreacting tbh, + not every casual has great aim/have the time to train, They just play the game for fun after work or whenever they get free time.
Personally, I like the changes as it changes the game quite alot
@@yerinahregi4827
"You see, not everybody has the time to git gud, so we made it so gitting gud doesn't matter" - Blizzard.
@CommentPositionInformer I kinda disagree. And thats exactly what i mean by overreacting, It's not like they made the game super easy or anything because you still need to aim well (on top of that you need map knowledge, positioning, team work and knowing when to use your CDs) it's just slightly easier to hit targets, which benefits everyone, I actually noticed the HP increase way more than the hitboxes to be fair (unless its Hanzo)
How does Blizz do it... they keep ruining their game more and more with every patch
This patch is so cursed. The fact that I’m resorting to playing cod.. I haven’t played cod in 5+ YEARS
For real 😔 Sadly there isn't a game like Ow out there.. No alternatives..
@@Over9000under9002paladins and tf2 exist but theyre not without faults either. just face the music, gaming as a whole aint that great these days
Ngl i remained optimistic to see this but this is just ridiculous
Hanzo actually shoots christmas trees now it feels
I respect my aim, I cant accept this.
I’m pretty sure rammatra punches were always that big. Probably even big enough to be in the list of things that weren’t changed. You could even hit people around corners because the collision hitbox is a dot, but the damage hitbox is bigger. If it is actually bigger, it’s not by a lot
RIP Overwatch
2016-2024
It was a good run.
They burnt the water
I actually hate the new season changes I used to love this game but now I feel as if I’m dying so quick and that I have no survivability
nah the up close shots are wild
Now I a Tracer 1 trick have to learn the poke style Tracer Gameplay
Just delete the game at this point Tracer is dead
Rip Overwatch
It’s actually a really good patch tbf
@@itsSloMoare you a lobotomite?
Hitboxes so bad they hit TwoMad off screen.
Im glad you pointed out how garbage these hitboxes are. The amount of people defending and coping is insane.
Being playing OW since the og release back on 2016. The only reason I bought a PC. This was the goty that year. Even with the broken promises and weird changes I kept playing it. But this is too much. As someone said, this is more arca-dy. You basically no need aim anymore. No need to look for health packs. You don't need positioning anymore since anyone can jump on you and shoot anywhere and kill you.
The magic of overwatch WAS that it was easy to play, but hard to master. Now this is is just a mess. RIP OW, after almost 8 years you are the game I played the most. On the bright side I will be able to start playing other games :)
And I think they're right. These 8 years I've only spent the retail price for OW1 and 1 dollar on a loot box. They need to bring an audience that is not like me.
My gf's first sentence that I show her mercy's blaters hitbox was 'I would kill tracer as well like this' lol. Close the door and leave already blizzard.
Looking at that close range Mercy hitbox: I think it's totally ok for a Mercy rework to have her fire on her right click and shift her in a way to have some offense. That close range hitbox + her movement would make it actually really fun to for example contest high ground / chase down low hp targets and then bail out again with guardian angel. Also screw Mercy players that want to keep her 100% support / devoid of any aiming no matter how bad it is for the game.
As a pharah main, ive been saying since OW1 that pharah would be CRACKED with horizontal movement and faster rockets. The reason being she can more reliably peek around corners / over walls with the quick lateral escape option. With a mercy pocket, Pharah is S tier now in OW2
Sadly people are going to cry to nerf her even though she is fine, at this point Mercy is to blame for every overpowered duo and she needs a rework.
Lol its like characters have giant head mode from 007 😂
To be fair, honzo was always had big projectiles
Mei primary fire is the longest hit from body damage. That reticle will be aiming a wall and still doing damage
Everything just does not feel right, cant really explain it but it just feels wrong
Rn thats the only bad thing other then that season 9 pretty fire. And im 90% sure they will change the range very soon lmao
Tracer might still be solid bc shes able to keep really good uptime on the antiheal passive
I could see some really good team-oriented tracer players getting value by using her guns to spread anti at range
Like you could hypothetically flick to multiple targets with one mag and keep the whole team anti'd to get value in situations where actively diving isn't an option
That sounds not fun at all
Why not play ashe? Better range + she has dynamite. Also, isn''t tracer's range pretty shit with her guns? I feel like if she can consistently apply damage then she's practically diving/open for retaliation at that point.
@@107frenchy a lot of downtime on Ashes reload and it's relatively easy to break LoS against her
Tracer will really benefit from the passive because there's quite often downtime where you're waiting for cooldowns or aren't safe to engage and all you're really able to do is spam your weapons at mid-long range to get that tiny bit of ult charge or stop support passive from kicking in and this passive will bring a lot of value to those moments
i dont know what blizzard thought they were cooking but its not it
It's a season made for Moira players for sure
Overwatch's hitboxes have always been generous to balance the crazy strafe acceleration and lack of accuracy decrease during/after moving (vs Valorant/CS). But this is just ridiculous, reducing the reward for good aim.
When Orisa popped up for a second I felt like I had a canon event and thought she had a right click ability that pulled people to the designated location of a projectile.
The amount of times I seen mercy’s go full dps cause of this, now they think they good 🗿
All of this shit we seeing and you focusing on freakin mercy. Lmao at least we know what reddit posts you like
@@piusdoe8984mercys shots where the furthest away from the head. No way you made this a whole agenda now.😮💨
@@kayanono mercy is also the least likely to whip out her pistol, her whole playstyle revolves around the staff.
Ain't no way, dude got solo'd by a mercy. 💀
@@piusdoe8984 ? I’m just saying what I see in qp, relax with ur assumptions 💀
as an echo player this season is an absolute w so far the stickies are so easy to land
bro the distance between the head and the cross bar is longer than my duck bro
Just aim at the nameplate for easy headshots in season 9
Honestly can't tell if this bugged or not, knowing these devs
Orisa with that new hit box and no fall off 🤔
What version of Lon Lon Ranch is playing in the background… I notice that song anywhere.
idk how it would work in practice, if they made the projectile grow respectively over distance; would it not solve lowering the skill cap slightly whilst avoiding over-tuning the close range accuracy
Blizzard makes games for casuals. They don’t want players that are ass to not have a good time.
A lot of the positive feedback comes from people saying it is easier to land shots or do this and that.
It is rewarding to hit your shots because your aim is good, not because the hit boxes are the size of a bus
OW2 has actually killed itself with each and every update
Hitboxes look nuts in practice range but I wonder if we’ll find them generous but not so insane in motion 🤔 a lot of Overwatch gameplay is fast moving. Hitting a good Tracer can be damn near impossible so I kind of get what they were trying to do here just probably needs some refinement
keep in mind that it isnt just like this for tracer...
Good thing karq spent his time explaining the meta to have this guy explain it lmao
"this is a competitive game!" it stopped being that when they added the "2"
These have been the absolute most frustratingly terrible placement matches I have ever played in 7 years of OW. Every single fucking match I have over performed but the predicted rank doesn’t change and each team just instantly overextends and kills themselves
Tell me about that, almost every team I had was all over the map. We had a flanking doom as king for healing when he’s being piled on by their supports in the backline and flaming us on top of it.
I had a Dva who didn't use thrusters once first game I played. I'm in high plat so not very good but standing still and not shifting is just messed up.
welcome to overwatch 2 season 1 ... wait season 9. Yeah the rank reset will make ranked somewhat of a pain for the next couple weeks. As the distribution of ranks grow matches should return to normal.@@TheLastEgg08
@@curtman1374 correction. you "were" in high plat. with the rank resets you were probably being matched with silver/bronze players as well. one of the reasons it might be better to wait until a bit later in the season for placements if you weren't gm in the past
Your mmr stays the same, my predicted rank was dia3 after my first game and i was still playing against gm1/t500 players
Im honestly just happy that the kiriko damage got nerfed.
your never gonna hear another genji spamming i need healing. the can literally heal themselves after a bit
Hanzo is now TF2 Huntsman.
Man bastion is going to go crazy now
I thought for sure that the cover photo was clickbait.....
Mauga can ignite monke from across the map in .5 sec
me hitting a headshot me remembering that it’s only because the hit box is bigger
its a foot for zen now in the killfield instead of a hand
Playing tank is awful this season goodluck keeping a tank alive when they have a perma 20% reduction in healing recieved... Add discord orb or mercy boost to it and tanks just fall over instantly + increased projectile size and tanks won't be playing at all anymore. I have had multiple games already where healing the tank is just useless since no healing you could do would keep them alive and they would ALWAYS die first every teamfight. Remove the projectile size and the healing reduction and were golden. All we needed was the hp increase tbh.
The thing with headshotting tracer up close is that the Tracer should definitely be killing you in this situation
one question, how do you change the mythic skin to something like genjis mythic because blizzard said that you could be able too and I already bought the battlepass and I don't see a option to change the mythic
heandshot and fist will be meta now
After seeing phara rework idont think I want them to touch wreckingball
Time for roller players to go sickomode
So... at a distance, where their nametag is would be headshot worthy... gotcha
Yeah I can admit that a lot of experimenting they want to do is way too many options all at once but I do think they will probably go back on the projectile sizes mainly because it seems like people are getting hit more often but not hitting shots that much more often like the Divide between the good and the bad has just become greater I don't know if that's what they're going for I feel like that's what everyone talks about is having a more balanced amount of people in every rank but is there goal was to make it easier for people to hit their shots it's only easier for the people that are already good
Skilled people are already hitting shots anyway. The less skilled players will be hitting more shots more often. So, my theory is, the skill divide will narrow - might also be a reason to why we got a new comp rank
Hanzo and Ashe mains have been rolling my lobbies like a hot knife through butter. I think I'm gonna sit this one out.
They should have just massively buffed projectile speeds by a factor of 2 or 3 but reduced the overal size
I love how OW2 is now just slowly becoming Paladins more and more with every passing season.
Play paladins is fun
I know it looks weird. But competitively speaking, tracer's small head has an overwhelming advantage if the hitbox isn't increased.
With larger hitboxes, Bap's recoil just doesn't matter. Much easier to get multiple headshot with each left click.
Blizzard has given up on all of their games😂
Lmao that tracer hitbox is depressing
The fact that Jay thinks this is a competitive game is just a joke in itself 😂😂
Overwatch 2 using Planetside 2 hitboxes now.
I thought everyone knew hitboxes should be the size of the charcters but apparently blizard dont think so i shouldnt win a fight because i accidntly miss and shot someone demons dealing emotinal damage
The projectile changes did a great job at making predicted shots more valuable at range, where they were spray and pray before.
The problem with flat changes is that they are really moira-esk at close ranges, where the size of the models occupy more of your screen relatively.
Good changes imo.
No its not a good job projictile heros went from predict to spam
@@supersince3158Not really. The predicted shot was so heavily reliant on the enemy walking into it, it's effectively random.
The main tenants for a spammable weapon are:
- Unreliability, how much does skill in prediction pay off?
- Rate of fire
- Magazine
Now at close range you might be able to say it's too spammable, because the size of the hotbox takes up most of the screen, and I agree the hotboxes at that range should scale down to properly reflect that
Why tho? They want to appeal to newcomers but that’s the point of the ranking system to get betger
Overwatch became death with this thing 😂
I perfected my aim on Widow after so long. And now anyone can just pick up widow and miss, yet still kill me???
I guess people don’t understand the concept of the projectile size in relation to the hit box of the tracers head… the cross hair is centre of the projectile shot…
this season looks like the game "Paladins"
-bigger hitboxes
-reduce received healing (Cauterize, that's what they called in Paladins but cauterize applied to all heroes in Paladins. Also, Cauterize effect in paladins up to 90% or 99% i don't remember)
-healing out of combat
I stopped playing both Paladins and Ow.
u cannot miss the shot now lmao
I can feel jay3 in me
Hanzo shooting buildings now instead of logs heh...very funny... *Support main noises*
They need to revert the hitbox back to what it was before
Hear me out, tho the mechanical skill needed to play the game went down, the game requires more positional and situational awareness cuz of these changes. Also cheaters get punished more now that everyone can aim fairly accuratly and the gap between undetectable cheats and vanilla good players is decreased.
But is it REALLY a competitive game?
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