BSA R-12 CLX Pro Review & Accuracy Test
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Intro: 0:00 - 0:38
Overview: 0:38 - 3:00
Specs: 3:00 - 4:52
Key features: 4:52 - 13:01
Close-up: 13:01 - 14:06
Loading the magazine: 14:06 - 17:37
Accuracy test: 17:37 - 20:15
Closing comments: 20:15 - 21:31
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We take a look at the BSA R-12 CLX Pro air rifle.
Presented by Richard Saunders from Alpha Militaria - an air rifle review and information site. Richard, has been shooting air rifles for nearly forty years. Today he hunts and carries out pest control on more than a thousand acres spread across different locations in the south of England. He is a regular contributor to Airgun Shooter magazine, writing mainly hunting features and product reviews, as well The Airgun Show on CZcams.
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BSA guns don't have any customer support, so why would anybody buy there rubbish ?...
I have the BSA R10SE in 177cal FAC. Best rifle I've ever owned.
If BSA brings this R12 to America. I will definitely buy it. 🇬🇧🇺🇸👍
Excellent video as usual Richard 👍. The gun looks to stunning accurate, as good as many far far more expensive. As you say excellent value. 👍
What a great in depth, detailed review. I really enjoyed watching it. Thanks for sharing,.
Thanks very much.
Lovely looking rifle, well demonstrated.
First time seeing you & a cracking detailed description well done
Thanks very much Chris. Hope you come back for more!
Nice review, thanks 😊 👍
Thanks for watching.
Another tremendous in-depth review.
Thanks Patrick.
I remember about 13 years ago when the very first r ten hit the market as a replacement for the super10 MK3 , they had so many issues with the regulator it was unbelievable , I had one of the 1st MK1 r tens and I got lucky as it never gave me any problems , then I had a mk2 super carbine , then a version 2 of the mk2 in all black , I always loved the look of the superten and how simple a rifle it was , I still have a super ten MK3 blue printed by John bowkett , but I've since had more tuning done to the rifle and it's in a CS thumbhole stock , I sold it to a friend about 5 years ago ,he barely used it and I ended up buying it back last December , it was still working perfectly ! ,I did however get it serviced , and I can honestly say it's just as accurate as and of the two grand plus rifles I've owned both electronic and mechanical actions , so if a looked after near 20 year old BSA super ten is holding its own against today's super rifles ,well I can't wait to get one of these , I'm ordering a .177 super carbine in a few minutes .
I must confess my superten mk3 bbk, having also been back to John is an awesome rifle I could not get rid of. 400quid will get you one these days.
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If you ever want to sell please message me here and I'll have it straight away.
@@uk_familygreen I have 2 S10s, a bbk & carbine, this new rifle will offer nothing over what my 2 rifles can do, well maybe 12 shots instead of 10!
Cracking looking Rifle,great presentation as always Rich
Thanks Paul.
Love your truck come shooting table, thanks for another great show all the best pal
Thanks very much. The tailgate sure comes in handy!
When the black soft touch cheek pieces first appeared maybe 5/6 years ago I hated them , however now I don't mind them and totally get it from a business point of view ,better to have all the adjustments etc in black soft touch than none at all .
Impressive accuracy , can't wait for the BSA R-12 CLX 22cal to hit the market in the United States , great presentation and review 👍
Worth the wait! I'm not sure what ft. lbs. the high-power versions will have but I'm guessing around 30 in .22.
Great video . Own the R10th and it's a beautiful gun . Love this R12 ... looks like another quality gun from bsa. Thanks for taken the time to make this video. Appreciated 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Thanks very much. It's going to be hard giving this one back!
@@alphamilitaria2756 I can imagine.
Excellent review
Thanks Alan.
Looks good ,nice to get two magazine wish daystate could do that well done BSA will think about getting one in 177. Enjoyed the video 👍
Gave up on Daystate years ago, their prima donna attitude pisses me right off!
This is a peach, great reveiw.
As always Richard a great review. I currently live in Australia & still as enthusiastic about airguns as ever :) I grew up in West Berkshire & South Oxfordshire, an area where some of your Airgun Shooter magazine articles & videos mention you shoot. Great to see countryside I remember so fondly (I always go out airgun shooting with mates when I come home for visits). Keep up the good work :)
Thanks very much Matt, very kind of you to say. Yes, it's a great part of the world and blessed with some wonderful countryside. If you fancy a shoot when you're home next, come and see us at Reading Air Target Shooting club on a Saturday.
@@alphamilitaria2756 Thanks Richard, I have a trip home planned in the coming months. I am actually Reading born, grew up just south of Newbury & did most of my field sports activities on pheasant estates in the Wantage area. I still keep my trusty .22 Theoben Sirocco Classic Carbine with my parents for when I visit, so I may see you at the Reading shooting club sooner rather than later :)
@@MrMattw975 Sounds good Matt. Drop me an email (hello@alphamilitaria) when you're ready...
nice vid!!! Greetz from the Netherlands!!!
Thanks very much.
Nice accuracy and lovely looking rifle, well done Rich.
Thanks John. See you Saturday...
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Made in England, Nice One Richard a beautiful rifle indeed 👍🇬🇧👍
Thanks David. Looks as good as it shoots too...
Great in depth video as usual 👌
I actually spoke to the man himself John bowkett, great guy ,he went into detail about his time at bsa and asked about the bowkett blueprint he told me about what his ideas were before the big guys took over and started the cut backs ..any way I've actually gone off the look of them and now looking to own an hft 500 with a GPS stock if I can find one ...
Nice airgun unit from BSA....awasome 👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏
Great video Richard.That really does look and perform like a cracking rifle.Well done BSA.
Also brilliant shooting on the squirrels.Lovely shots.
Atvb fella👏🏻👏🏻👌🏻👍🏻👍🏻😀
Thanks very much Justin. I hope you're keeping well?
@@alphamilitaria2756 Yes good thank you Richard.I hope you’re all good too?
@@justingreen9262 Living the dream Justin !
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The r10th i have is the most laser accurate rifle i have had. Narrowly better than my beloved Daystate revere. Not a bit pellet fussey either. Am glad BSA have brought out this new rifle with a side cocking lever and hopefully an improved magazine (last one, i found used to have a bad habbit of shaving pellets). Nice vid vid thank you richard on what is a very exciting rifle. Very fond of my r10th.
Thanks very much.
@@alphamilitaria2756 you could do with another look at this rifle it’s getting so much bad customer feedback now to do with their magazines and other things
Lovely gun! Now ALMOST the perfect rifle - just need a decent looking CF bottle - still aftermarket always an option. WHAT A GUN! Thanks Rich!
Aftermarket CF bottles don't fit the stock unfortunately 😞
@@dgg7377 someone needs to make an adaptor… maybe best fittings could do something? Tbh I’d even be happy slapping a standard r10 bottle on there - I think the oversized one looks a bit daft.
@@dgg7377 Got a CF bottle on my early S10, with a tiny bit of modification to the stock that can't be seen. Went back to the standard 200cc, don't really need much else.
Nice rifle and great presentation.
Thanks William.
Fantastic Review Richard, I watched yours to get the facts for my sort of over view of the gun that I’m gonna loosely review soon on my channel , my Friend John has treated himself to the black pepper version , I’m planning a friendly shoot out between that and another new gun he has ,, cheers buddy Shane
Thanks very much Shane. I look forward to seeing the new vid.
You have thrown the spanner into my Works! I was considering buying a Weihrauch, now what do I do? Thanks for sharing this vid. I have enjoyed it.
Sorry about that Jim. The HW100 is one of the best though - a real classic. The R12 will give you more shots before having to fill up though.
Loved the video BSA Birmingham small arms
Thanks Richard. The good news is you got the right answer. The bad news is that the competition closed a few weeks ago!
I have owned one r for a week now, it’s every bit as good as Richard says,amazing rifle,steve
Have you used this for target or pest control?
This is the best r12 video yet
Thanks very much. Much appreciated.
Would you say this is the best air rifle you can buy at the min… I getting one next week
@@Cashclever Which air rifle is 'the best' is open to a lot of discussion. But the R12 CLX Pro is certainly one of the best, especially at its price, and I'd have one in a heartbeat.
I just don't like that horrendous bottle stuck on the front. Rest of the gun is brilliant. Great review.
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I think I prefer the traditional bolt action on that rifle. Good review sir.
Had no problem with the bolt either on my r10th. However i did find an issue with the way the rifle shaved the pellets. Maybe that maybe had more to do with the magazine? Can only hope the new mag will be be an improvement, coupled with the side cocking lever.
@@fatbloke2285 I have an S510 superlite with the side lever and it is silky smooth and faultless, but I wouldn't want a side lever on my Ultra clx, the bolt just seems right for that gun. I suspect that many r10/12 owners may feel the same. That said, it still looks an awesome rifle.
@@davea8046 The bolt is good on the r10th that my boy has but the problem lies with the magazine. It has a tendency to shave pellets. Still very acurate though.
@@fatbloke2285 The new magazine is the same as the one on the Ultra clx. I've got a couple (only one came with the ultra, but the R12 comes with two) and they both work perfectly with AirArms diablo field at .177 (4.52). The clx mags won't fit the se's unfortunately.
Superb video thank you. Please give me your opinion for competitive target shooting which model would you suggest? The Standard version or the Super Carbine?
Thank you
Hi Tim. I'm not sure it would make much difference in the hands of most shooters, but I'd say the longer barrel on the Standard rifle would probably give the edge. Thanks very much for watching.
I have a BSA ultra with the bolt action and a 10 shot magazine...
I always come back from a hunting trip with pellets left over and air to spare!..
How many bunnies can you carry??
Thanks for the review,I’m very tempted by this R12.
You say a 400cc bottle is an option,is this easily changed over by the owner?
You're very welcome. Given the rifle is pretty new on the market I'd guess you'd be able to specify a 400cc bottle when buying from your gun shop...
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Thanks I’ll ask them.
Great review Rich, BSA can only be commended on producing another great rifle.👍
Cheers bud and see you later...
BSA have always made great rifles. They always seem to be a bit slow, it took them a bit long to cotton on to the side lever!
Surely the soft cheek piece is more comfortable and practical than beech anyway
A lot better than my air rifles costing me between 1700 and 3000 pounds and less than half the price superb value
Hi, brilliant review and a lovely looking rifle. I’ve tried to enter the comp but my email wouldn’t send and the other method would connect either.
Kind regards,
Martin
Thanks Martin. Sorry to hear about your email problems. Please do try again - hello@alphamilitaria.com.
@@alphamilitaria2756 I cut and pasted the address from the text above and it failed, so I typed it in instead and it seems to have worked.
BTW have u used the hft 500 ? If so how highly do u regard it hunting aside ..I just shoot targets ..
Hi Mark - I haven't got round to that one yet...
Big THX Richard ; Expected arrival after the CLX Ultra Carbine...Who plays the Guitar and whats the intro music called ?
Thanks Hendrick. You've got me there on the music/guitar player. It certainly wasn't me! Thanks for watching.
To add: Compared to the older action types, this one shows a rather short barrel clamping piece, which I would dislike especially with longer barrels fitted...I guess the one tested is the shortest of the carbine versions, except for the Ultra models ?@@alphamilitaria2756
Great show, can you tell me if you can double load the R12, thanks
Thanks Carl. I believe I am right in saying that it is possible to double load. However, a couple of points on that: 1) in my experience, most double loads occur when you're not sure if you properly cocked the action - i.e. you pull the bolt/sidelever back enough to probe a pellet but not cock the action. Then, when nothing happens, you cock the action again and probe a second pellet. All that usually happens when the cocking action, be it bolt or sidelever, is not very smooth. The sidelever on the R12 is like butter and I think it's unlikely to run into the issue described with it. 2) you simply forget that you have cocked the action, so you cock it again. Paying attention is the cure here! The R12 has an 'action cocked' indicator. My bad but I don't think I covered it in the review. Basically, a small window on the side of the action shows white when the rifle is not cocked and red when it is. I hope that helps.
Try using JSB Jumbo Exact pellets, BSA's cold forged barrels love em!
I found BSA Gold Stars to be the best, perhaps unsurprisingly.
@@alphamilitaria2756 who makes them?
What a beautiful rifle rich and well presented review/showcase as always. you should do a give away to me 😁😁
Thanks Luke. Go on enter - you never know. Three bags to win...
I will let you know what I think of it when I get it Richard, can i just if you don't mind what scope you have on it , seems to fit and look good on it , not sure what to go for the walnut or the Laminate stock 🤔 decisions too be made i think.
Hi Gary. It was a BSA 3-9x40 30mm scope. The laminate is a beauty...but then so again is the walnut!
Thanks for your reply about the scope Richard, not sure about the laminate due to the black cheek piece, going to solware next week, either way I'll be leaving with one .
I got mine Yesterday,went to fill it up with air,started to leak out for a couple or seconds then sounded like the seals popped then was ok,does it every time,the fill probe seems to lose to me.? Was the one you reviewed ok.? trigger has a lot of travel to..ands it's only day one.🤔
Hi John. The probe doesn't seem to go far into the port but I managed to get it to fill without problem. I do recall one time having to rotate it slightly to seal properly. If you're filling when the rifle is very low on air you will get a few clunks as the reg resets but no harm is being done. The trigger is adjustable. Initially it had quite a long first stage but I managed to adjust that. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
The fill probe is quite loose on my sons BSA Scorpion. It still fills and shoots fine though.
Any chance you could get hold of a kral puncher Knight synthetic black please? It's not reviewed anywhere on CZcams uk so you would be the one and only.
We'll add it to the list Mike.
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Owned 2 R10se and had problems with air leaks
Inconsistent accuracy, shooting groups ok then 4inches off high/ low , then grouping reasonable then all over the place again 🙄.
Magazine jams.
Sold both rifles after a few months at a considerable loss.
Looks nice but have BSA sorted out quality control 🤔
I'm sorry to hear taht. By contrast I have two R-10s and have had no issues. Probably my most reliable guns. You could pick any rifle and there will be a horror story. The R-12 is a completely different rifle though. I've been using it for a couple of months without any issues.
@@alphamilitaria2756 Thanks for your reply 👍 keep posting
Hi Richard, i get my R12 tomorrow but unfortunately there's been a mix up at my local gun shop they have no more 177 in , so lm going for a 22. But what i want to know is you said in the super carbine ( the 1 im getting) the shot count in 22 is 260 per fill, is that from 230 bar down to 90 bar ,????
Hi Gary. Lucky you! BSA quotes 260 shots for the Super Carbine in .22 calibre. That will from the 230 bar maximum fill down to the regulator pressure threshold - 90 bar sounds about right. BSA's figures are quoted using their 14.66 gn Goldstar pellets. Heavier pellets may give a slightly different figure, but still plenty of shots. Enjoy your new rifle.
@@alphamilitaria2756 thanks Richard that's reassuring. Think you need to read your last line of your reply 😉 😆 🤣 😂
@@garyhaden2390 😆🤣😂
can the cocking lever be swapped from right to left?
I'm afraid not...
Good morning, being new to the sport I have been watching all your vids, I must say well done on the content and great information you supply. In your humble opinion what would you suggest for a sub £500.00 PCP regulated.177 air rifle I was looking at the Walther Rolex rm8, what would you suggest, keep up the great work, thank you.
Hi Alex. Thanks very much. The RM8 is a good choice. Worth considering also is the ATA Airborne and the Gamo Venari.
@@alphamilitaria2756 thank you Richard, I will check these out.
Always look forward to your website and value your opinion thinking of buying a zbroia hortitsia do you think I am wasting my money value your opinion
Hi Paul. Thanks very much. The Hortitsia mk2 is an awesome little rifle and great value. We reviewed one on the channel a while back...
@@alphamilitaria2756 many thanks for your opinion
Hmm... Standard or super carbine? 🤔
I love my r.10....but hope they gave sorted the reg out...always been issues with the r 10....
Brand new design reg Robert...
@@alphamilitaria2756 hopefully it's a good un....
Can you of any one offer advice .I’m looking to buy my first PCP rifle and I’m considering the BSA R 12 or the AGT VIXEN 177 long ,what do you think . Thanks .
Hi. Both are great. Very accurate and well made. Obviously they differ in terms of style - one a traditional sporting rifle the other tactical style. The R12 also has a bit more adjustment in the stock. The only way you'll be able to decide is to pick both up and wee which one appeals to you more. No wrong decision though.
@@alphamilitaria2756 Hi , that’s great,thanks for replying,keep up the great reviews .
Are they going to offer this in an fac model
I expect so at some point Derrick...
Dose it come with 2 magazine is it anti double load and is there a carbon fibre bottle option ?
Yes, two magazines. I didn't try it (for obvious reasons) but I do not believe there is an anti-double load feature. That said, the sidelever is so smooth and precise the only way you're going to load two pellets is if you're not paying attention to what you're doing, which is obviously not a good thing when guns are involved! There is not carbon bottle option, but a carbon bottle is only an aluminium bottle wrapped in carbon, so it's a looks thing rather than a weight saving thing.
@@alphamilitaria2756 Thanks for your quick reply I think bestfittings would disagree with your interpretation of a carbon bottle as there is a weight saving over the aluminium all the best phat
Nice giveaway...but what is the use of that bag without gun?😂
You put your gun in it 😅
Why is the shot count different if the bottle is the same size Richard?
Hi Carl. I believe it's down to the length of barrel. Longer barrels are more efficient in their use of air...
I'm looking for a light weight CPC for my 14 year old daughter to start some field target shooting. Could you please recommend anything suitable?
She's using my old Webley Raider 10 at the moment, and it's a tad heavy lol!
Many thanks!
Hi. Have you had a look at the Kral NP-03? It's reasonably priced, shoots well, and most importantly for kids - it's light, looks cool and has an extendable stock so it will fit her well...
@@alphamilitaria2756 never heard of it! Will have a look now - thank you so much for replying 👍 most appreciated 🙂
@@bazabaza7821 Check out our review here: czcams.com/video/It0C0h4v2Ws/video.html
@@alphamilitaria2756 just watched it! Brilliant review as always ! If only the shot count were a little higher, it would be perfect
Left hand sporter model please BSA
Hi Great gun, what scope are you using.?
Thanks Martin. I'm not sure of the model, but it was a BSA 3-9x40 which came with the review rifle.
Hi thanks, am I right in thinking that the gun is imperial thread’s like silencer thread. Thanks
Can cylinder be replaced with carbon fibre 480cc bottle
No, but there is a 400cc aluminium option. 'Carbon fibre' bottles are aluminium wrapped in carbon fibre.
Rich I don’t know if you’re still checking these messages.
But I’m considering one of these vs an Air Arms 510s regulated. Accuracy is my number 1 priority.
It’s your money, which would you choose 🤷♂️
Or anything else at this price point.
Hi Bog Z. The S510 R is a fantastic rifle. It really is. Reliable and very accurate too. The R12 CLX Pro is probably as good. I've shot them both but not side by side and wouldn't hesitate to have either in my gun case. The R12 will give you more shots and has a thumbhole stock. In all honesty, I doubt you'd be disappointed with either rifle. The only way to decide is to get into a shop and pick them both up if you can. Hopefully one will simply feel more right that the other. With these two rifles you really can let your heart rule your head. No bad or wrong choice here.
Thank you for taking the time to reply. Much appreciated 🙏
No one seems to be talking about the lead ban proposal which could spell the end of our sport 🤷♂️
Did I imagine it?
Unfortunately you did not. But until some decisions have been made, timescales clarified nothing can move forward.
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When can we expect to see a HW99s review?
We'll add it to the list! Thanks for watching.
How much that will pay my gas/electric bill november
You might get a couple of weeks of bills paid for that. But an air rifle will last you a lifetime!
It is definitely a looker. ❤️🤍💙
Can’t wait to shoot it at some point.
Nice video, Rich. 👍
Thanks very much. Beware though. Shoot one and you'll want one!
Richard can you help me to buy this airgun and get it in Holland in 177 the carbine version
Or you no what company send it to Holland
Thanks for your very nice video again
Hi Kees. I'll try and find out and let you know...
Hi Kees. JVS Outdoor is BSA's distributor in The Netherlands. Their website doesn't show the R-12 but I'm pretty certain that they just haven't updated it. Good luck. Rich.
www.jvd-outdoor.com/
I se them now but the have crazy price for the R10 so I think for the R12 is more crazy !!
It’s not possible from England to send to Holland I not need the power 16 joule it’s ok for me.
Thanks for your time
Yep that looks good.
This or the R10 th?
Both great rifles. But I'd go for the R-12. Thanks for watching.
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Your review helped me decide now on the r12,I’m excited now for my first pcp.Saved long and hard.👍
@@redpillnibbler4423 It's a great one to start with. Are you thinking .22 or .177? I've heard there's an issue with the .177 which is being addressed so there may be a delay in ordering.
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.177 of course (just my luck) 😅 What’s the issue?
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I’ve researched the issue,apparently bsa still haven’t resolved it even though its a relatively easy fix so I’m holding off buying one and looking at other makes like Daystate S510/Daystate Revere,though ideally I’m after a higher shot count.
Brought one today second hand. He never used it. Got it for 650 😂😂😂 love it
Wow - he didn't have a red hat and big beard did he?
@alphamilitaria2756 lmao made an offer he taken it
It seems a shame that they haven't gone with a carbon bottle.
Hi. A carbon bottle is an aluminium bottle with a carbon wrap. So apart from the looks, there's no real weight saving. Thanks for watching.
@@alphamilitaria2756 I'm aware of that, but aesthetically it looks dated without a carbon bottle. That's only my opinion though. Good review 👍
@@alphamilitaria2756 Carbon bottles are lighter than steel bottles, that's why they make them. The carbon bottle I fitted on another rifle was 400g lighter. It all makes a difference.
@@markl4670 I got a CF bottle for my S10, it was heavier than the 200cc bottle. The weight saving i was looking for didn't happen!. It was larger than the 200cc bottle & the only size available from Best fittings. A pointless upgrade, for me at least.
What is power output? Fpe /fps
12 ft. lbs. UK limit for now.
@@alphamilitaria2756 what's the USA fpe fps? I looked for it and didn't see it...hopefully they will be available soon
@@bigearl8687 The R10 was good for around 26/27 ft lbs, though that's not a lot of help because the R12 is a different rifle altogether. I expect BSA will release details on high power models soon...
Are you sure the reg was tested 100,000 shots,web sites say 50,000 shots.?
Hi John. Yes, BSA told me 100,000...
My experience of owning an R12 . Has been poor . With numerous quality issues and a recall . I had a full refund from my RFD and purchased an Air Arms S510 ultimate sporter R , which is just amazing in comparison.
Sorry to hear that. I've got three R12s and have not had an issue with any of them. The S510 is a great rifle...
@@alphamilitaria2756 Hi Richard . My replacement R12 was working fine . However , the recall was the final straw for me. An insider had mentioned that the reg … could fail. Soo swapped it .
@@polydadmac At least they're doing the right thing I guess!
Hi Richard , you don’t seem to have put out a Vlog recently ?
Hi Artie. You're making me feel even more guilty than I already am! You're right though. I've been busy with writing for Air Gunner and Airgun Shooter magazines, and recording films for Airgun Action and The Airgun Show. But I do have a few reviews lined up. Is there anything you'd like to see us cover?
@@alphamilitaria2756 Thankyou for the prompt reply , sorry I didn’t mean to make you feel guilty , I do very much realise the time and effort to put together the shortest of vlogs/ vids etc
I’m new to all this and just enjoy a general view of all you put out
I’ve just invested in a sightmark wraith 4k and a hikmicro 10 mm monocular for rabbits and ratting on the permission I have secured , this should arrive tomorrow , I have a question for you , I have a BSA R10 , will the rail the wraith sits on fit straight onto the 13 mm rail on the BSA , or will I need an additional bracket ?
@@Artimus128 Hi Artie. Sorry, I didn't mean to make you feel guilty about making me feel guilty 😆. I believe the mount on the Wraith is designed for a Picatinny rail. So you'd have to get a dovetail to Picatinny adapter. I'm not sure which model you are thinking of but if your budget can stretch to a Pard DS35 70 LRF I'd strongly recommend it. It's excellent during the day and at night already has the IR torch integrated into the scope. The real bonus though is that it also has a laser range finder (LRF). Shooting in the dark, the hardest thing to deal with is judging distance to your target. The LRF function is very easy to use and takes the guess work out of any shots you take. There is also a very easy to use ballistic calculator function which will automatically adjust the point of aim to suit the distance you are shooting over. I'm based in Reading and if you are anywhere nearby you'd be more than welcome to come and have a shoot through the Pard and a few other night vision scopes I have.
@@alphamilitaria2756 Thankyou very much for the advice I will take that onboard , and also the invite to try out , sadly I’m a few miles away from your neck of the woods in North wales , but maybe one day you never know , Thankyou for all the helpful advice 👍👍
@@Artimus128 Well, if ever you're in my neck of the woods on a Saturday come and see us at Reading Air Target Shooting club.
are you still doing video's
Hi Darren. Yes, but I agree it's been a while. I have a few lined up. Not much of an excuse, but I've been busy writing for the magazine and videos for The Airgun Show and now Airgun Action. Let me know if there's any rifle in particular you'd like to see us review...
@@alphamilitaria2756 how about a bsa defiant ,just a idea
Compare that grouping to weihrauch or Air Arms, agt or FX 😂 for its price its dissappointing
Have you shot one yet?
All well and good until it came to the accuracy test. Very average, maybe its doesnt like those pellets, i dont know but at 30m i wouldnt be happy with that for the cost.
Perhaps we're just not up to your standard of shooting...
With the steel bottle, looks like a mid range priced rifle and the rubber cheek piece is revolting, this gun priced at that should have laminate or walnut cheek pice depending on what stock you go for and a 400cc carbon or 480cc carbon bottle, then it be more different, I pass on this one, BSA With there R series of files needs too loose that steel bottle shite
Hi Neil. Not sure if you missed it, but it's an aluminium bottle, not steel. And carbon bottles are aluminium wrapped in carbon. We're all entitled to our views of course and it would be arrogant of me to think that my view is the only right one, but I like the black soft touch cheek piece. You might also have missed that there is a 400cc bottle option as well. Thanks for watching.
If what you say all carbon bottles are aluminium wrapped in carbon, then this bottle on the R12 needs too be replaced after 15 years from manufacture because I know all Rifles with carbon bottles have a life span of 15 years and has to be replaced so the rifle is considered too be safe, as you said all carbon bottles are infact aluminium under the carbon wrap, so all aluminium bottles have too be replaced after 15 years, because you said all carbon bottles are infact aluminium bottles
@@neilcopeland4411 Hi Neil. I think most manufacturers recommend changing before 15 years in fact.
@@neilcopeland4411 have you tried squeezing an aluminium bottle they don't budge but you can depress a carbon bottle because they have a thin aluminium bladder inside so that could be why they have a 15 year lifespan just my opinion and i could be wrong maybe someone on hear knows better.
Is it me or is it loud?
No, I think it's because of the whacking great microphone pointed at it! I'd day it's about the same as most other rifles I shoot...
Oh dear 😳 looks like some over time is needed and a space vacated in the safe for a new man toy..... just don't tell the wife lol.
Worth every penny Jason!
Ffs bsa fit a carbon bottle the difference in balance alone transforms the rifle never mind the huge shot count from a 480cc carbon bottle
I doubt there'd be any change in balance. A carbon bottle is an aluminium bottle wrapped in carbon, so not much difference in weight.
@@alphamilitaria2756 my airwolf fac came with a 500cc metal bottle and changed it for carbon 480cc and the difference was unbelievable,would be worth it for the shot count alone
@@180del Was the 500cc a steel bottle? The bottle on the R12 is aluminium.
@@alphamilitaria2756 not sure buddy what was it daystate used in the bottle stuff,it was a lot heavier than the carbon bottle that replaced it
@@180del Pretty sure it was steel...
Stock obviously the same , bigger bottle
Except it's not. And then there's the new reg, sidelever, safety catch, magazine, mono block construction...
Bit expensive, the mags I've never liked , for that price it should had a anti double pellet load system, the gauge cover is something else to lose , should have carbon fiber bottle for that price bracket ,
We're all entitled to an opinion of course, but personally I found the magazine to be great and I doubt you'll lose the gauge cover - I certainly didn't in nearly a month of testing the R12. It's very hard to double-load the R12 because the side lever is so smooth and easy to operate. Although that is no help if you are prone to double loading because you don't pay attention. Carbon bottles are aluminium bottles with a carbon covering, so no real weight benefit. And at a little over £1,200 I think the rifle is well placed given the price of its competition.
@@alphamilitaria2756 I’ve never ever had a problem with bsa/gamo magazines simple to use and very reliable. No messing around putting pellets in backwards etc
What magazines do you prefer then? If you don’t know if you have a loaded rifle you possibly shouldn’t be using one…
Margaret I suggest you go buy a bow n arrow 😁
Great review but that plastic and wood combo is horrible 😕
❤️🙏🏻🇺🇸🤠 FAC ….. ? ? ? …… 🥓🧀🍔🇺🇸
I believe so in time...
@@alphamilitaria2756 ✌🏼 Thank You ! …. Great video ! …. From Boise Idaho .
Brittish small arms
Over priced & unreliable like all BSAs.
Do you have one Martin?
Not that rifle, but had two BSAs in the past both faulty regs, will never buy another, as I have said there unreliable..
Sorry to hear that, but I don't think that qualifies for such a sweeping generalisation. By contrast, I've two R10s, a Superten and have R12s. None of them have ever developed a fault. Plenty of other rifles have, but none of my BSAs...@@martinsmith2984
Sorry your very wrong, lost count of people at are club that have had reg issues with there BSAs, so not sweeping generalisation at all, You said there tested for 100s of hours, so were other previous models in there range, yet they had issues, Just because you get free guns and gear you gloss over the real issues BSA have with all there rifles.
I guess that depends on how high you can count Martin. And sorry to disappoint you, but I don't get free guns or gear. Every rifle reviewed on the channel is loaned then returned, or bought by me. The fact is that you can name any brand of air rifle and someone will tell you a horror story. BSA rifles are not immune to that but they are better than most and I believe provide good value for money. What do you shoot with? I'd love to know the only make of air rifle that has never had a problem.@@martinsmith2984
Hi Richard
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Great review has always mate, just phoned my local gun shop to see when they will have some in , MY NEXT RIFLE 👍
Thanks Gary and I'm sure you won't be disappointed!