Heavy trail erosion to Leavitt Lake. Was it worth the risk?
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2022
- I made this video to warn the public, right now, this trail is heavily eroded and it might not be reasonably safe for AWDs to traverse this terrain. We have a heavily modified Jeep Gladiator, a lifted Toyota 4runner TRD Off-road, a modified Jeep Grand Cherokee WK2, my @traxda2756 3.5" lifted Honda Passport with Eibach springs, and @k20z3allmotorFTW NART extended FLEX Ridgeline struts/shocks and a ZF9 equipped Honda Ridgeline with similar modifications, two Subaru Foresters, a Subaru Outback, Toyota highlander, an Acura MDX and to top it off, we have a bone stock 2019 Acrua RDX with summer performance tires. Yikes! Are we going to make it through?
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Update: There's a sign that says "trail closed Oct.15 to motor vehicle traffic" (or somewhere along those lines). You'll be able to hike in.
Thanks for that, I was just gonna try going up there this weekend
@@imathreat209 the trail should open back up once the snow melts next year. Anywhere from May to July.
They close this in winter because the Marines start using it then for winter training.
I just want to say props to the guy in the Acura.
I just got a manual 2door Rubicon and we headed up to Leavitt Lake for Labor Day. Man the trail was waaaay gnarlier than I was expecting even from videos a couple weeks prior. Great job to everyone involved!
Thanks James!
Did you end up making it to the lake ? Im going with my 2wd ford but with plenty of clearance
@@corymullins3737 Yup! It was my first time wheeling a trail rather than at a park, so I probably should have gone with something a bit more chill but it was a lot of fun. Great motivation to get a few mods haha
Right on looks like a fun trail! Always makes me smile when I see an AWD getting it done 💪
Thanks Sergio 🙏
Great video! It was challenging and I learned a lot. I kept worrying about gear ratio, but there’s lot to improve on driving stick even with the best of gears.
You did great! Got up this technical stuff completely unassisted! Good job Javier!!’
it was an amazing trip!! love seeing all the comments haha. very impressive rdx. I love seeing all the wheeling people commenting negative when we are not wheelers. we are overlanders with a goal to get to places like we got to. noone was competitive to show off their "wheeling" skills. we all just helped each other get to achieve a common goal of enjoying the lake, key word "help each other" not make fun . can't wait to get out again
This is the best comment! I couldn’t have said it better myself.
They will never understand us country folks..
The thing I love the most about the wheeling community is the willingness to help out. I've gotten hundreds of people out of jams and have been helped out a few times myself.
Some serious terrain. You all did great! Awesome footage. Thank you for sharing. Miss you all.
Thanks Robert! Yeah, we need to get on another trip! When are you free? Would love to see the new rig!
That was some good spotting! You guys made it through those rough sections with all kinds of different vehicle setups. Always interesting to see how the variety of vehicles react to different trail conditions. 👍👍
Thanks! The goal was to get the vehicles through with no trail damage. We were ready to tow vehicles up if necessary (because the campsite was so amazing), but because of all the spotting, it ended up taking 3-4 hours to get to camp. It’s a good thing no one was trying to drive up or down during the rough sections.
Enjoyed watching a video where everyone didn't have the typical Toyota or Jeep to go through these trails. Not eveyrone can afford a fully built Toyota or Rubicon, but watching people go thorugh it with all differnt types of cars was refreshing.
Darn.. This is way gnarly than
I recall.. Glad the group went thru.
Nice video and thanks for the call out a 2:18 - LOL! Yeah we found the trail pretty sketchy during some very significant rainstorms in the high Sierras. That spot by the tree around the 4 minute mark was super sketch being so slippery and off camber. Impressive what vehicles you got up that trail - well done! And what a payoff at the end!
yes when I saw your video it was raining and I think that was when it got even worse. nice job on getting out when those conditions were like that
I don’t understand the beating from some of these comments! Is it ridiculous to have some of these vehicles out there? YES. Did it make me smile remembering my first time off-road? YES. Not my style but very cool video!
I'll admit it! It was absolutely ridiculous to send a bone stock Acura RDX, on street tires with 4 inches of sidewall, up this trail 😆. But, I was expecting the much easier trail I did the year prior. Good times!
Great job as always Jon, keep it up. We learn from you and your skills ✌️
Thanks! Great work with your channel as well!!! We should collab sometime
wow, that trail eroded a lot this year. but it’s good to know that the cvt’s made it up, which means won’t be too difficult for my ‘03 forester. thanks for sharing this. ❤️
Looks like a fun trail! Just started watching the video.
Man, you are pumping these videos out!
But that looks like a fun trail! The rough sections reminded me a lot of the main trail at a local offroad park I go to, that Acura MDX driver really has some balls going through that with his current setup, slap some smaller wheels with larger ATs and a mild lift and that thing would make short work of a lot of trails!
I knew the RDX would do well if modified. It was neat to see what it was capable of with summer tires 😆
That looks like so much fun 🤙🏻 keep up the amazing videos 🙌🏻
Thanks Paul 🙏
Love the videos! I got a 21 Ridgeline that i plain to build up a little so I can take it a bit deeper in the trails, sense I’m a mountain biker and camper this would be awesome and fun to do. Keep up the great work 🤙🏾!
Ridgeline definitely has a lot of untapped capability in it with the mods we currently have this trail was fairly moderate for my ridgeline and Jon’s passport. I even took more difficult lines to make it a little more challenging
Looks super fun!
Reminds me of a story I found about the 1st Gen MDX development when a couple of engineers were in a mule testing the original VTM-4 system. And of course he admitted that they didn’t know anything about “off-roading” since Honda hadn’t done it on four wheels yet. So they go out to a trail and they get in a little bit and can’t turn around, so they have to keep going and eventually, the trail just keeps getting worse until they are just about full on rock crawling. Eventually, they get to a point where they can turn around and there are a couple of Jeep guys there that were like “you got up here in THAT!!!”
I did a pod cast with Honda, and the episode that featured me also had the Honda chief engineer talk about the development. They were in the Hollister Hills OHV park. open.spotify.com/episode/38htinrXm2Q1BPMKLyjzJw?si=nWiE0K3GR3a4GSXJhLuIZQ
Awesome trail and some adventurous newer drivers!
Damn! That’s a long time to be on that trail. Been there once, in an out in a couple hours. Granted I have lockers and lift. Plan on it again this summer. Beautiful spot. Great video and commentary😅🤙🏻
Just keep exploring!!!
This should be a fun trail next month....
Looking forward to it!! The plan will be to trickle in, so hopefully everyone makes it up safely
Really excited to see that RDX build continue!
No one makes a lift kit, but hopefully that changes.
We know people...
Seen you guys make an entrance Saturday evening. We were the large group to the right of the water crossing!
Oh nice! I was the fool paddling out on the air mattress 🤣 the following morning. Cheers 🍻
Opening scene: Guy takes worst line possible and sails through like a pro.
Yea I was doing it on purpose 😂
All those Tecates, too! I’m sober now but those were a favorite of mine🤩🤙🏻
That Trail presented slight challenges even for the Trail Boss I had. Some good skill and spotting will get you through though.
I really would like to see you do a collab with the TFL guys and take the Ridgeline and Passport (heck your whole crew of AWDs even) to their Tumbleweed Ranch course. After the years they spent mocking the Honda, then their sudden change of heart when the Maverick and Santa Cruz arrived, it would be fun to show them just how capable the platform they mocked actually is.
I was in contact with Tommy from TFL last year, but I never got the chance to meet up with Him. They’re very busy people, but would love the chance to meet them in person. TFL can be very straight forward, but I don’t feel that they ever mocked the Ridgeline. It’s one of the few vehicles that climbed Gold Mine hill. They did an off-road test with a Ford Ranger, and they complimented how the Ridgeline performed, especially now that it has the ZF9 transmission. I’d like to see them build a cement shelf climb obstacle, something that will always stay consistent.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring You're right, mocked was perhaps too strong a characterization on my part. With the early 2017's they were begrudgingly appreciative. When it did good, it was often, "it did great, but...". Either way, I am glad they are warming up to the unibody trucks overall. I still love their content.
I do hope that collab happens, and I agree a few uniformly repeatable obstacles, like a shelf, would be nice in addition to the dynamic obstacles they already have.
@@jg8263 I made this video about taking my Honda Passport and a Ridgeline with the Honda 6 speed transmission to an AWD severe trail called the coyote flats. The video was being discussed on the Honda Ridgeline forums and they were making some wild accusations that I “rigged” the video, because the Ridgeline overheated 7 times. They said I was “acting”. The cool thing is Honda listened to the feedback and put the ZF9 in the Ridgeline in 2020. They also did a Podcast with me and invited me to debut the trailsport trim at Overland Expo 2021, even though I made that brutally honest video 😃😃
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yeah, and the 14:1 (if I remember correctly) crawl ratio of the 6 speed was nothing to write home about. I definitely liked the update when I traded my 17 for a 21.
@@jg8263 ridgeline is a beast man, I bought mine in 2020 not knowing anything about off roading or overlanding thinking I would just use it for work. I got lucky with the zf9 being on my truck and seeing what the awd Hondas are capable of. Now we’ve made some mods that will def take the awd Honda platform to the next level
Gnarly trail, definitely a challenge. Very impressive stock MDX with street tires, I guess the right gearing really helps.
Yeah, that RDX also has a 2.0 turbo. That gearing makes a big difference
Just returned from here Labor day 2022. Stock taco, 4x4, long bed, loaded with all my gear in the bed. No external mods. Made it through without any rubs, scrapes, dings or dents. More skill than truck for this trail.
Yeah that Honda 10spd is impressive. My wife has a fwd one, and it feels strong just on the street low speed up hills. I believe the new Pilot is getting it. Makes sense since the Ody and MDX already have it. Should be interesting in their new Trailsport trim once they add more than the sticker package. Lol.
After watching the rdx I am thoroughly impressed.
I'd like to see it with bigger tires, a lift, and the Flex mod that my Passport and the Ridgeline has. BTW, the owner of the White Ridgeline is the guy that came up with B.A.L.L.S.
Good Job Brotha!
Thanks Rob! It was a fun one
Nice video
Always keep a good eye on those pups and little kids with, ours was crushed this past week, freaking devastating.
Even if an adult is going to check something underneath make sure driver is aware just a reminder.
Oh no! I’m so sorry Kartboarder22G 😢 Thanks for the reminder.
Having your animal get ran over is one thing but if my kid got ran over I would lose my mind
Great video, it was nice meeting you up there. Now I know how you guys got that RDX through it. Did it take just as long going back down the trail?
Hey EJ, it was nice to meet you too. So, they took off about an hour before us (after meeting you all). We caught up to the RDX at the bottom.
Every Video is 👍👍👍
@7:19 I am so impressed with the Highlander. Toyota definitely didn't put in a lot of thought into people using it like that and it does way better than I thought it would.
Toyotas (and Hondas) are just over built. So pushing them to the limits doesn’t seem to be much of a problem. Reliability and dependability go a LONG WAY. When we were testing out the new Ford Bronco, the axle boots ripped after 5K miles with only a 1.5” lift kit. My Passport was still on original axles with 113K miles. Steve’s Highlander is at around 140K miles.
You can take anything off-road with enough mods to make it capable enough. The weakness of the Highlander is the low crawl ratio and poor traction control. It seems like I'm going to fast in the video, but in the car , it seems like the right amount of momentum to roll over the rocks on the trail. Know your vehicle and adjust your driving style to work around it's limitations. It has been super reliable after the two years of off-roading in it.
@@autoduel your driver mod helps too
Loved it!
Thanks Andrew 🙏
This was a good video. I just... I have been on a trail with someone with super street biased tires and that video went bad cuz of the experience with him. ( I know you've seen tin cup) props to him being willing to put that in the positions he did but I would have heavily advised him not to take low profile street tires on a rocky trail. It could have been a heck of a misadventure. But I'm glad it wasn't for you guys and that lake looked epic to camp at
I wasn’t expecting this trail to be that bad. We also were on a rocky trail before this one (which was suppose to be harder), and he was able to navigate through. My #1 thing with spotting him was to utilize his 22:1 crawl ratio. I reminded him twice to not lay into the gas pedal 😇.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring lol so I noticed. It is good when you don't have a tc to be easy enough on the throttle to let traction control do it's thing but not throw rocks and smoke your tires haha
That Highlander was getting it! 😅
Looking to see more footage of Javier's 6speed forester.
Javier did great
I can't imagine trying to slip the clutch starting in the middle of the rocky section. Javier was able to get all the way through without being pulled up. The only thing he was lacking was horsepower at the higher elevations.
Good job on keeping the RDX driver from being a skinny pedal wheeler!
The Acura is probably using similar tech that Land Rover is using with the Defender. You can outfit the Defender (and most Land Rovers) with street based all-seasons and perform off-road like a they have aggressive all-terrains, due to some great electronics. Though the Land Rovers are backed up with some serious off-road hardware as well. But seeing them rock crawl in mud with smooth all-seasons is impressive.
The rovers had their tires shredded on trails like this
I would say the land rovers system is superior as the Rdx had a hard time with front wheel spin. Even though it had the most aggressive gearing it’s turbo engine doesn’t like to be part throttled or left foot braked much
The Landrover 4WD systems are really impressive and far beyond the capability of HONDA/Acuras AWD system, however Landrover AWD is just open front/rear diff brake vectoring, so it’s not as capable.
Very entertaining and informative video! Is the area big enough where you don’t have to worry about getting a camping spot? Thinking about going end of July. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you! Yes, it’s a big area, but I hear it’s still closed due to heavy trail erosion from the record breaking snow this year.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thank you Sir for the reply! Guess I’ll be going to Bowman Lake instead.
My fave road in the Sierra. Never seen it that bad.
Yeah, world of difference compared to last year.
How did the MDX performed? Was there over heating problems? It looked like it didn’t struggle from watching it. I have an 04 MDX with all terrain tires so I’m curious. 😅
Hey man I’m sure you’ve shown it before but what’s your drivers view camera setup? Weird to see the windshield moving around but the horizon view staying steady…pretty cool.
Can’t believe everyone made it to the lake! Awesome video! Awesome spot!
Hi Dan, I just have a GoPro Hero 7 black with a 6 inch aluminum extension. I have the GoPro mounted to the dash. The Gopro has video stabilization, so that's why it looks like the horizon is kept leveled.
@@50ccAdventure Thanks! Yeah, it took us a good 3 to 4 hours. definitely would not recommend this trail to anyone with a stock AWD, especially with these washed out conditions.
Love seeing AWD vehicles pushed and showing their capabilities. My oldest daughter has a 2003 Lexus RX300 with 235/70r16 Cooper Discoverer Road+Trail AT's, and although she's never been off road with it, the AWD system pulls it through deep snow that it has no business going through!😂
Been watching your channel for a month. catching up on older videos.
Love your channel. Hopefully it gains a ton more subscribers.
Subscribe to a lot of off Roading channels that are much bigger, but I think yours deserve some more patriot support. I’ll be joining.
I want to explore out west so bad.
Let me know if you ever visit out here! I could cover the overlanding spots, but you'll need an actual wheeler for the hard stuff.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring haha. I will take you up on that offer. Really appreciate it. No super hard stuff. I want to be comfortably exploring. If that makes sense haha
Hey JonDZ, what kind of tire hitch did the green wk2 have? i want one!
Mostly everything on the WK2 is from 9 monkeys offroad (might be 8 monkeys! Or is it 12?)
its a black wk2 but may look green with dirt. the tire carrier is dirtcom same as jondzadventuring tire carrier. everything else is 6 monkeys
We were there a few weeks ago and the trail was pretty crazy! Did anyone overheated the tranny? My Pilot had to pull over 3 times to cool down.. my tranny hit 255 😭. We got to the trail head 6 am sunrise. Took me 4 hrs to get to camp and it was empty!! By noon, a bunch of vehicles start rolling in.. it took me 45 mins to drive out lol. Much easier going out.
Max temp that day was 197
No one overheated. You need to get some bigger coolers, maybe even run 2 of them, and add fans.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I just ordered a bigger cooler and will add it on top of the oem cooler. I also picked up a fan. I'll report back once I have it all set up 👍🏽
@@Drunken_Pil0t put a shroud on it too
@@Drunken_Pil0t also, make sure it doesn’t overcool in the winter.
Nice but make it a full day commitment our local group meets up at 7am get the to entrance of the trail to meet up with everyone else middle the least capable in the middle and go until about 5 pm so pack a lunch 😊
pretty impressive for an awd. donyou guys drive awds cus of mpg mostly or?
Mostly because these are daily drivers rather than weekend only vehicles. I can't imagine driving a jeep the 400 highway miles each way to get to the lake.
@@autoduel a lot of people do……everyones rig id a daily unless its a crawler
Just like picking A/T vs mud terrain tires, We also consider the percentage of the time spent commuting vs the time off-road. If we commute 28 days only to off-road 3, an awd that can still get to the end of the trail makes more sense. Road manners are as important as mpg and capability.
I have the ridgeline, was going to get a Tacoma but they are just to small inside and was not very happy with really anything it offered technology wise, usability, engine, transmission etc. to many compromises and at the time I was looking for something mainly to do my shop duties. I had no idea it would be a decent off road truck as well. 22-25mpg on 33 inch tires not a bad thing either
I'll admit it. I was too fat to fit in a 2019 Tacoma. It was my first choice. I had a 2008 FJ, so didn't want to go back into the same platform with a 4 runner (I fit much better in one, still kinda tight though). What really sold me with the Passport was how quick it was. I couldn't believe it was able to accelerate that quick for it being so big and heavy, I thought it was supercharged. I guess Crawl ratio can be used for spirited WOT launches :P
Does anyone make a lift kit for the RDX? I am really considering buying one of those.
I don’t see anything for the current Gen 2019+
Are the folks that actually make it to the lake & camp out...see any bears ? How's the fishing ?
So, this trip was actually a scouting trip for a little event I planned over this past weekend. No one reporter any bears, but I’m sure it’s a possibility.
As far as the fishing, I have been asked to keep that a secret 😉
Bruh…
Bruh?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring 😂
Is Leo's Outback manual?
2.5L CVT
Wonder if I can get there now
LOL. Probably 25 feet of snow on the trail with a locked gate.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring dam it snowed and trail got closed cause you geo tagged 😂🤣😂
@@edgarandreasyan521 I geo tagged the entire forest 😉
@@JonDZ_Adventuring dang CZcamsrs 😂
What year is that ridgeline?
2020 with the ZF9
13:35 I was cringing for that RDX that guy hates his car. Someone should tell him that car was built for snow and slippery wet conditions only. Im amazed he did not blow a tire!! I can see Rony Dahl shaking his head why?🤣🤣🤣
The owners of those SUVs with street tires should have replaced with tires that are off-road capable and lift up their vehicles. Hearing those hits in their underbelly makes me cringe a lot
That was my recommendation as well.
You should come to Colorado and we'll show you some real trails.
Haha! We just got back from there. California has some of the hardest trails in the USA. This is where the Rubicon is. We also have level 10/10 4WD trails where you’d need custom buggies to lay on their sides to maneuver though an obstacle. I’m not into that, I can’t afford a $1 million crawler buggy.
My last video I released 8 days ago was about imogene pass. Very non technical trail, but it was high elevation and steep, and only a handful of AWDs would have the gearing to summit.
Boy come out here and do Fordyce and get your helmet cracked
Why is that Honda Accord pickup thing trying to off road???
To trigger jeep owners that think it’s a accord.
@@k20z3allmotorFTW put it on the pavement where it belongs lol.
@Tehehe it’s actually a Honda Odyssey Pick-up truck. Minivans are built more robust than midsized sedans.
@@Wrangler59 it is on the pavement 99 percent of the time. As a matter of fact I tow my cars, carry transmissions and engines back and forth on those pavement commutes and now it can take me up a 10k ft mountain to camp.
It’s just not anything hard. It’s only a few miles long.I don’t get why this is a big deal? Was up there a few weeks ago ?I don’t get you AWD car guys.
Hard is relative.
I'm the guy with the CZcams channel that has a moral obligation to make sure I keep people out of trouble. Inexperienced drivers, even in a 4WD, will struggle with this trail. Was I struggling in my Honda? No, but I worried about everyone else because we had a bone stock Acura RDX.
@@4WDisLife I guess?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I’m not knocking you guys. I just don’t get why you spend all the money on a rig that wasn’t designed to off-road? And then off-road? A stock 4x4 wouldn’t have any issues? Just don’t understand. 40 years off-road guy here. Just puzzled
Because it's more fun when it's challenging. When a triple locked jeep can go everything with your eyes closed, then only the hardest trails are fun. But then you also have to drive it on the highway to get to the trail. I can't imagine driving 8 hours on the 395 getting to the trail in a jeep.
Tfti
You’re welcome! You know I invited you 🤣🤣🤣, especially since you put your doors back on.
Oh man I hope my algorithm doesn't think I want to watch videos of Hondas and Stupidrus driving off pavement.
Well, at the end of the video there’s beastiality, must be that 🐴 👧🏼
You screwed yourself by viewing and commenting. Being aware of the algorithm, that was a stupid move.
Thumbs up your comment to help the algorithm.
The RDX has a great AWD system! I can only imagine the underside damage though 🥲💀
We spotted him as best as we could, I think he only scraped that one time at the beginning of the rough section.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring The spotting was excellent for sure! Thanks for the amazing vids!