The King Tiger's Forgotten Big Brother - Panzer VII Löwe (Lion)
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- At the start of the Second World War, there wasn't really a need for heavy tanks in the Wehrmacht or the German Army. However as the Blitzkrieg developed and the conflict also evolved, the need for heavy tanks was realised especially when German tanks were posed against Soviet tanks. The Soviet's had tanks such as the KV-1 and the IS-2, however the German's only really had the Tiger in earlier parts of the conflict.
Things progressed and there was a greater need for a heavier tank, and today we consider the King Tiger to be one of the most intimidating and brutal military vehicles ever deployed during World War 2. However the King Tiger did have a forgotten big brother that preceded the creation of this huge weapon.
The Panzerkampfwagen/Panzer VII Löwe/Lion was a design for a huge colossal 90 tonne vehicle which would never leave the drawing board. The plan for the Lion was for it to be fitted with a huge gun, which would have been even bigger than the King Tiger. However eventually the plan for the Panzer VII was shelved in turn for developing the infamous 'Maus.'
Today however we look at 'The King Tiger's Forgotten Big Brother, the Panzerkampfwagen VII Löwe, or Lion.'
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Apologies for my pronunciation with regards to this video! I've recently started learning German to help my pronunciations in the future. What a nightmare! Thanks all.
dude nice vid
Even some germans struggle with speaking a proper german, but for muricans its literally impossible.
Hey, everything ist fine. Many thanks for the huge efford of learning my Language!
@@TheOriginalShakuraz even though it's our sister tounge
Ya, the W is pronounced V in the German language so Lowe is pronounced Luuva
The Panzer IV's bigger brother:
Panther
The Panthers bigger-ish brother:
Tiger
The Tigers bigger brother:
Tiger II
The Tiger II's bigger brother:
Panzer VII
The Panzer VII's bigger brother:
E-100
The E-100's bigger brother:
Maus
The Maus's bigger brother:
Ratte
Jesus Germany, slow down.
The Ratte’s bigger brother: Bismarck, size-wise
@@MrOiram46 The ratte's older brother was the Schwerer Gustav. In my opinion.
@@rickykravitz374 And the Gustav's bigger brother would be the P1500 Monster.
@@TrollinginKhaos, dear lord, jokes aside, what were the Germans actually thinking when they designed these.
Megalomania in practice.
Hitler: "Panther, Tiger, Jagdpanther, King Tiger, Lion....und...und...Maus"
If I remember correctly, the name Maus was chosen, funnily enough, to hide the fact that it was a super heavy tank.
Don't forget the Jagdtiger.
you forgot the 1000 ton ratte a land battlecruiser with 1 battleship turret ( 2 x 280 mm ) and 4 x 128 mm AA guns.
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i've heard many german words mispronounced but your version of "Löwe" really takes the cake
Lau
Actually its
le-wé
@@amn2760 close but not quite. granted, umlauts are really difficult for non-german speakers
As a german i can say, this hurts very much. The "ö" in Löwe is very hard to pronounce(its some like word but without the w) . And whats also important is that the "e" at the end isn't silent like in many english words.
And btw. yes my english isn't the best. I m very sorry for this, i hope its okay.
@@paid_actor3 Come on, don't make excuses for laziness. It is not hard to pronounce at all. This chap simply can't be bothered to pronounce Lowe properly (I can't type the umlaut). I am sure he has heard it at some point. It isn't that hard to do.
He makes a video, as many do, and is sloppy, either making basic mistakes, or in this case, not bothering to get the pronunciation correct. It goes beyond his English accent, it's just just laziness.
Lau!!! He must think it comes from Hong Kong.
the fun fact is that in late war those monsters were crewed by 19 years guys
@@xpfaeo3344 its not a lie during the end germany was desperate so 19 year old would crew tanks
Younger sometimes
@@oh6328 ye sure i think that at least tank commanders were 19..
@@francescodallorso561 the commander was normally but crew were 18
@@nighthawkgaming4899 or younger there were 14 year olds fighting
Lau? L Ö W E !!!!
ikr
Smh I didn't even finish the video cuz of the pronounciation
He said Lao
@@Sh4d891 >he said Lao
In German that would be spelt "Lau" how he said it, but its pronounced wrong in the vid
*DISCLAIMER: Before you leave a snarky reply actually read this comment and realise I'M NOT and never was saying it's pronounced anything other than Löwe*
@@emizerri It's really not though, it's more like "Ler-ver". Not sure what kind of German you learned...
If the Germans had simply concentrated on upgrading and refining the Panther this tank would have been far more effective than the waste of resources on the Tigers and later insane projects.
Even the Panther was overengineered, too heavy and too expensive for the role it was meant to fulfill. The Germans just couldn't help themselves apparently.
@@ChristianMcAngus Yes, but basic design was very effective, just too complex, too unreliable, maintenance headache. I f time and resources had gone into addressing these problems instead of rushing into production.. Germans had too many conflicting tank designs in production or development and simply too complex in design.
The problem is, even if they had just did what the American and soviets did and just make a bunch of, lets say panzer 4s, that still wouldn't have done much, just because you have more tanks doesn't mean you have more oil to fuel them and more men to man them, maybe it would've done more damage, but in the end it was inevitable they would've lost the war, if I were the German I would've gone all out and built a bunch of Ratta's land cruisers.
@@rickykravitz374 The Tiger 1 and 11 made great defensive machines, as would the Maus and E 100, but eventually , unless you go on the offensive, you are doomed. It’s the reliability and conflicting projects issue which crippled German tank design. It’s all about mobility in Tank warfare. The big tanks mentioned would have been outflanked and with Allied air superiority, were never going to succeed. All tanks require air and ground support to make their job more effective. As good as modern tanks are, they still need those two elements to succeed. No matter how good or big the German tanks got, they were vulnerable and too few in number.
@@rustykilt, I understand your point and agree, it was stupid decision to make stuff like the tiger I and King tiger, and prioritize tanks over a needed air force, what I was saying was what's the point of tanks that could go far when your side is on the defensive? This goes for the Sturmtiger, which was made for offensive operations when Germany was on the defensive, not saying that's unless a useless point. a panther with more medium tank properties and less problems could've benefited Germany quite heavily, but what I was originally saying was, if you have a 100 panzer where do you get the nearly 500 men to crew them, where do you get the fuel to power them? Same goes for the Luftwaffe, if you have 50,000 BF 109s where do you get the 50,000 meh to crew them and the fuel to power them, in the end the germans didn't have the fuel or number to fight the soviets and Americans.
No super heavy tank existed in the 1930's
Char 2C. The French had a super heavy.
T-35? And that German 3 turret thing, and what about all the different KV series vehicles?
British Independent from 1925
@@jakearmstrong335 my
TOG 1 wooden mockup was built in 1939 and prototype just missed the 30's being completed in 1940. Prototype of the TOG 2 was completed in 1941. Both of these were heavier than the Lowe.
@@jakearmstrong335 you mean the Neubaufahrzeug? That thing‘s ancient, one of the first tanks Germany created alongside the Leichttraktor with the Russians
These forgotten tanks arent forgotten like they used to be, because of games like World of Tanks.
War Thunder > World of Tanks
@@mikemuller7809 depends on what you want if you want to just play for fun you play WoT and if you want to feel like you are actually in a real war play WT both games are good
@@mikemuller7809 Leave it to WT players to immediately go for the comparison. 🙄
@@mikemuller7809 wt is trash
@@mikemuller7809 🅱️ESH
A. Speer: We have limited resources.
German engineers: Then lets think bigger!
Dude ikr!
In some weird way that actually makes sense.
@@a.mckenna1574 two tank engines are going to consume more fuel than one. Better to have a tank that can survive and take on more enemies than several weaker tanks when there are not skilled crews and fuel to make them effective.
OKW: We've ordered a huge slow unreliable tank we can't fuel, cross over bridges, move by rail or protect from air attack. Do you want a bigger gun too?
Still more reliable than maus
@@ExcelsusDev sources? Maus didnt have reliability issues during testing
Der Panzerkampfwagen VII. Löwe, ein gewaltiger und aüßerst Kampfstarker Panzer, sieht aus wie eine Mischung zwischen Königstiger und Josef Stalin III. Panzer ,und der riesigen 12,8cm Kampfwagenkanone 44 mit Mündungsdämpfer, die einfache alles durchschlagen konnte, was es damals und noch lange danach gab. Dazu kommt noch ein Verbrauchsorientierter Turbodiesel Motor mit viel mehr Leistung und deswegen mehr Geschwindigkeit im Gelände, Straße und dem Gefechtsfeld bei größerer Reichweite.
"If troops can repair it in the field, it's not complicated enough and we're not interested."
- German Arms Industry, 1942 to 1945, probably
"Guys literally only want one thing and it's f***ing disgusting"
What guys actually want : Panzerkampfwagen VII Schwerer Löwe/VK 72.01(K)
No....
*Juan*
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Was this tank the same as the E 100?
@@j3lny425 nope
*fucking
The Lion is spelled in German as "Löwe" and phonetically pronounced (Loo-va).
When the King Tiger was more than effective against any allied tank of that time, why waste the time and effort to produce any heavier tank to defeat a non-existent threat? Thinking like this helped the Germans to defeat themselves.
That was butchered the way he said it.
The Germans always puzzled me in that they were so advanced in many technical matters but seemed incapable of applying reason or logic. I imagine Political interference and self serving industrialists had a lot to do with it....As an aside, just imagine if Germany had decided to fight only Russia before turning on the Western front ?..a victory over the Soviets would have been a game changer let alone not declaring war on the US.
Well. It's quite the opposite. there were tanks out there in development ready to punch through the Tiger II's turret (rendering it obsolete by my standards), but Germany didn't know about these. (ie: Super Pershing and IS-7)
But a whole new tank, just to cover up the blatant weakspot of the Tiger II is beyond stupid. A simple Pfeiltrum turret design would have been enough to stop even APDS rounds
Soviet KV and IS series.
They were even better armored that German tanks, but with far weaker guns.
Tigers were suppose to hunt them.
@@Bigma_Industries the is-7 never made it into battle just like the maus
it's really not forgotten, with it being a premium tank in one famous tank game for years now... people already are used to it.
I don't know this game
@@V8_screw_electric_cars world of tanks
"Knock, knock."
"Who's there?"
"Typhoon."
"Typhoon wh...."
Boom.
XD
Typhoon and/or Thunderbolt. Potential for double boom. I could just imagine something like that being built, within an hour of getting to the front lines it gets strafed and rocketed by Typhoons. The crew thinks "oh mein got, we're safe for a while" then like 30 minutes later a squadron of Thunderbolts comes crashing down on it with more rockets lol. The realities of late WW2 for German tanks.
The stupid thing is if they just built stug G and Hetzers instead of these super heavy tanks then they would have been far better off.
As the allied studies showed, fighter attacks on tanks were largely ineffectual, however what they did do was destroy an awful lot of logistics in the belief that those vehicles were tanks, which is why so many tanks ran out of fuel and were abandoned.
@@CS-zn6pp To be fair, people forget it all the time, they still would have struggled to crew these tanks. For all the waste they may have made building over engineered vehicles, they also were in now way capable of playing a numbers war against Russia or the US. They honestly were probably best off making their tanks as good as they could be since they struggled to crew those really good tanks by the end of the war. That's from Potential History by the way and I felt that was a good point that people often forget. Sure, they overengineered but I also don't think it would have made things better had they tried for pure numbers because they lacked material and man power.
They didn't seem to remember that air support might be an important factor.
Thousands of manufacturing hours of tank destroyed by hundreds of hours of plane. Makes sense.
Of kourse vee dit! But das ist night ein problem. Der Luftwaffe vill alvays be masters of auf der skies, or you can call me Meyer!
-almost Herman Göring
Yes they miss that one but a flying tiger that would be good
I agree in modern warfare you must control the skies over the battlefield , acceleration of ME 262 would have controlled the skies, if combined with a top gun school to produce jet capable pilots. Combined with King Tiger (Panther V) you would have controlled and shaped the battlefield, but no army can lose 1M men and hope to win a war on a repeated basis.
Did you really just say “Lau”???? U fookin kiddin me mate??
Finally someone talks about the Lowe!!
...but butchers the name like Germany lost more than the war.
The way you say Löwe hurts so much
As a German i can only aprove this comment it hirts my heart
It is very cringe indeed
The biggest problem with tanks for everyone was the limiting factor of engines. The German plan for a diesel with electric motors to drive the tracks if perfected would have changed Tank design forever. It is common in super heavy Mining Vehicles today.
It's wha trains use
"However,the true fact that German tanks are over engineered ... This would cost Nazi Germany heavily"
Well not really,in the late war Germany have barely any oil left,so Germany need to over engineered this tank to make them as best as possible (which lead to transmission damaged engine getting on fire etc because the tank is so heavy) and make the best out of what they have left
Well if your 3 tanks use each 1 liter per 10km, then it’s better to have more lighter vehicles. In summary These smaller tanks together will end up using less petrol= more time to produce more tanks
@@shaq6976 I think the real answer as to why German tanks had to be so large was that they had to take up more of an anti-tank role to be of any use at that stage of the war. Due to quantity, allied tanks would rarely encounter enemy armor, and so they could be designed to counter infantry more than tanks. German tanks were much more likely to face enemy armor, and would often be outnumbered, so they needed strong anti-tank capabilities to stand a chance. For instance, the Panther's large, high-velocity cannon allowed it to outrange most Shermans. Of course, this resulted in increased weight and more mechanical problems, but I still think it was probably a better choice than just continuing to produce Panzer IV's, which were becoming obsolete. Also, they did actually continue to put a lot of their effort into making the lighter Stug IIIs, even in the late war.
If that was the case they'd have been better served with tanks that didn't suck back fuel like a top fuel dragster. The biggest contribution Tigers made was making every allied tank crew think they were facing one every time they saw a German tank.
That was already the case with the Panther. They broke down en masse at the start of Kursk. Ok..also because of teething problems because it was brand new, almost not combat proven equipment.
I think it had more to do with man power limitations. 3 panthers = 15 crew men. 1 Lowe = 5 men, who are probably per man more efficient, can be better trained and more likely to survive
Lowe is not forgotten, lots of world of tanks players know about him
No Heavy tanks before WW2? What about the K Wagen or the Char 2C?
Those were heavy light tanks
A7V is considered an heavy too
World of tanks players never forget this masterpiece
Small correction...Lion is pronounced "Lur-veh".
Thanks. That was getting at me too.
Nope, it isnt.
Its a Löwe....there is no "R" in it.
Ok....maybe with a hot potato in your mouth.
Sadly there is no way to tell you the right pronounciation, cause there is no letter in the english alphabeth similar to "Ö".
You have to pronounce it like the word "burn", but without speaking the " R".
Lu
Leu-vuh, it kinda sounds like there is an r but it's just the v sound.
@@TheOriginalShakuraz Depending on your accent the R isn't strongly pronounced. Where I'm from in Britain, "Lurv" would sound the same as "Löw"
Imagine Warthunder makes Löwe the next event tank for free but hard ass grinding
I'd grind insted of paying.
Aw yes, giving Germany another overpowerred vehicle, why not other tech trees, like any other nation, just saying
Well, it wouldn't be too OP as long as it's 7.0 or something. It's trolly turret and great gun would make it akin to a t29 with a better hull. But it would definitely club lower tiers, so it's better if it isn't added at all.
@@pleaseenteranamelol711 yeah, it just wouldn't fit into warthunder at all, same with the Tiger 2
The snail does not gib a fck the snail demands your money and will make löwe into 7.3 instead of 7.0 and power crep it.
“Imagine this thing charging at a group full of shermans or T-34s”
*eats 76 to the side*
*eats 122 to the side*
Probably gets overrun by infantry.
100mm on the side wasn't going to stop a 76mm or a 120mm if it hit at anything more than 30°
@@jamesricker3997 yeah when I said “eats” I meant like it gets hit and penetrated by that round, sorry if my word choice didn’t make that clear
Gets smashed by a 152mm
Perhaps that is why the Russians used Pak fronts tp stop all German tank breakthroughs from 1943 onwards in their tracks?
The Tiger II was first used on the Eastern Front in May 1944. The heavy tank battalion involved started the day with 45 working vehicles - at the end of the day one only needed the fingers of one hand to count the surviving servicable vehicles. They were mechanically unreliable; they were inordinately thirsty; and, because of the shortage of nickel, manganesem chromium, etc, their armour was far below allied standards of durability.
The Jagdtiger experience is a good indicator of how the Löwe would have worked ( or not worked) most were disabled by their unreliability- broken down - and abandoned by it’s crew.
Most off them where abandoned by their crews after running out of fuel and amunition. The so called unreliability is a myth. These machines where manufactured by forced labourers and in a time the factory's where bombed. Today a Tiger or King tiger is still more reliabal than a British heavy tank like the Concourerwho can drive 10 meters at Bovington.
Great video!! It would have been an incredible tank if ever introduced to the battlefield, but... as you said... "in the right hands". Too many Tigers were wasted in the hands of inexperienced crew in the latter part of the war.
A lot of Germany’s problems were related to reliability and standardisation. Quite simply the larger variety of equipment in the field, the more the supply needed. Every German tank generation having different parts and ammo...
Supply was the Most difficult Thing ... Just the giant amount of resource needed ... Fuel, steal and men
@@sentinelfox6937 steel is stahl, not steal which is taking something without permission.
@@razor1uk610 true :p struggle with my Keyboard because im Not native english speaking and IT makes writing a mess
Löwe is available in the game called World of tanks.
I can vouch this, she is my baby and I’ve been at the game for 10 years lol
WoT, WoTB and WT players:
We didn't forget it!
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I understand when the author says at the video's end that it would have been interesting to see how the Maus would have fared against allied forces he is speaking speculatively, but I'll still just say that I for one am glad our troops never faced these monsters on the battlefield.
I never heard of the Löwe, fascinating. Thank you. Always excited when you post a video
Thanks mate ;) will do for next time! Haha!
You’ve missed the opportunity to say “ Tank you”
The “o” in Löwe was actually sounded “e” so it's pronounced as:
Löwe = le-wé
It's pronounced "Ler-ver" - not 'Lau"
I've always said it in english as in Low E
@@bryanmartinez6600 closer. There is no equivalent to the umlaut sound in English but imagine saying Low E with the o sound starring at the back of your throat and that's what the umlaut adds.
I've been pronouncing it like (Leu-Vah), probably not even close to correct
@@homiespaghetti1522 no, that’s pretty decent
It's closer to "Leu-veh"
The Löwe is not forgotten, it is in World of Tanks as a premium tank!
Well, that's a comfort.
Strange how the worse the fuel situation was the bigger and thirstier the tanks became.
Tiger 1: I'm strong!
Panzer VII löwe: you think your strong boy. But I AM STRONGER!
I believe I have read that the main reliability problem, with the Tiger tanks was the transmission. High horsepower, plus a lot of weight, with the high traction of a tracked vehicle, demands a very robust drive train, which they didn't have, to the best of my memory of what I read.
All the time I taught the only difference between Tiger II and Lowe was just the turret design.
The sheer size is the one that shocks me, a 90 ton beast!
@@TheUntoldPast also what type of marine engine did the thing have in it? something like a submarine diesel? too bad they didn't just get a dose of common sense and pout those Diesel engines in tiger tanks and get the power they need and reliability! but what do we know.......
@@greykaufman1057 u mean a U-boat engine, those are Nazi subs
@@amn2760 Alex I think a submarine diesel and a u boat engine are the same thing, no?
@@greykaufman1057 Idk
I always think it's interesting the difference in tank design between Germany an America. Germany design and engineering seemed to focus upon building the perfect tank, where America seemed to focus on designing something that was good enough to get the job done.
"Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good" - old aphorism, which was certainly correct in this situation. Or as General George S. Patton used to say: "A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
The Sherman tank crews had to be brave because they were under gunned and under armored. The USA should have had a better tank
@@danielt.3152 The thing with the Sherman was that it was designed to be able to be shipped to the other side of the world as cheaply as possible, and modular to be able to be easily repaired in the field. Because of this it was also easy to produce and deploy a lot of them, and keep them operating so far away from home when supply lines would be stretched thin. The relatively light weight also gave it decent mobility which gave it an edge in urban combat where a heavy would struggle.
Heavier and more powerful tanks would have given the US more capability in longer range engagements against German heavies, sure, though actually getting those tanks to battle would have been logistically much more costly and challenging, and likely resulted in much fewer tanks actually making it to the front lines. It was pretty much down to logistical limitations that made the Sherman the go to tank for the US. There were also many version of the Sherman and the up-gunned and up armoured versions in the later part of the war were also very potent against German armour.
@@danielt.3152 This is also just not factual. The Sherman was originally meant as an Infantry support vehicle and it's original gun was very capable to taking out the early Panzer IV's it originally saw combat against. The myth of the Sherman being a death trap is largely due to the History Channel and Belton Cooper who was to put it mildly an idiot. It wasn't under armored for the role it was designed to fill. But when you start introducing it to combat with breakthrough tanks like the Panther and Tiger yes, you're going to see some disparity. But once the 76mm M1 entered service it gave the Sherman the ability to start punching back against the Panthers and yes even the Tigers.
And very large numbers didn't hurt, it was the same for the T34, with both Russian and American factories being beyond bomber range as opposed to German ones the numbers could just flow from the lines, yes the American tanks had to cross the Atlantic but by D Day the U boat threat had been significantly reduced and ship production was way ahead of losses, only around 500 Tiger twos were produced or enough steel for around a thousand stugs, it would be an interesting study to evaluate five hundred Tiger two's as opposed to a thousand stugs, taking into account as well the fear factor, its a stug we can take that as opposed to oh crap we will have to get far to close to a gun that can already open us up, the kill ratio according to some interviews with old tankers that I have heard was around three or four Sherman's to one Tiger 1, (both parties being aware of each other, normally after the Tiger brews one up), to press an engagement with those odds took real courage and determination.
nicely done pacing , while providing off kilter information, good context.
0:39 the term "super-heavy tank" wasn't coined yet, but there were still a few super-heavy tanks (e.g. 75 tonne Char 2C designed in WW1 and put in production in the 1920s, Großkampfwagen the German WW1 120 tonne super tank, and the 81 tonne TOG-II from the 1930s). Heavy tanks existed pre-war, particularly, the A1E1, T-35, SMK and T-100, Ro-go, Char B1 and B1 bis and several other forgotten beasts.
He also thinks the "Tiger 1 was one of the best tanks of WW2". Poorly researched and voiced, never mentioned the Maus either.
Makes you wonder what they could've produced, had they not been caught up in these expensive experiments that led nowhere.
The 105 mm version of this tank would be an awesome addition to war thunder in my opinion, as an event or battlepass vehicle.
Thanks for the information!
Was in berlin five years ago, brought a pair of camouflage socks, they were both left footed
Going back to the shop I noticed that the weather was changing so I popped into a umbrella shop
To buy one.the shop assistant was very friendly and showed me a picture of his grandfather sitting on
Top of a tiger tank,his grandfather had a horrible smile on his face.
Imagine this thing on war thunder, it’d make a cool premium. Probably be op though
Thanks for the video! Keep up the good work 💪🏻
Swing Lowe, Sweet Chariots
Chariots of fire, in this case!
Without air support and infantry the German tanks towards the middle of World War II ended up being at a tremendous disadvantage. They were powerful they were well armored but without that necessary support they had to adapt tactics that eventually put every single tank at risk and the Ally Air Force eventually put huge holes in German tank numbers the most effective days fighting was usually when there was overcast with no plane support
Another overweight cat that would've crapped its suspension out through its exhaust pipe on any slope. Mean looking gun though!
you mean crap out the transmission lol
@@stevenhenrich842 Derp lol
The German army tank designs followed this ideology perfectly.
*throw every design at the wall until we've got nothing left and hope something sticks*
I doesn't matter how many of what ever kind of tank the Germans would have produced by the fall/ winter of '41 the were all but out of fuel.
This is WHY they were using the gasoline instead of diesel.
Gasoline is essentialy a *syntetic fuel* ...
They were almost out of experienced and well trained crewmen by the end of the war too so it would have been a total waste of time and effort, they would have done far better by concentrating on the Pz IV, they simply didn't have the resources to produce enough Tiger, Tiger II and Panthers to make much of a difference.
@@philstaples8122 They ran out of crew using fewer and larger tanks but making more of the smaller and cheaper tanks would suddenly not be hindered by lack of crew? Also, they had plenty of tanks and produced more in the end of the war that they did in the beginning, there was no shortage of material though lacking in quality. They lacked crew and fuel. Not tanks.
And aerial superiority, everything gets just obliterated by Typhoons etc and you can’t move that much in daylight
The Tiger II is the most incredible tank of WW2. what a beast. too bad it was mechanically unreliable
The light Lowe with a center mounted turret was designed VK 70.01, the heavy Lowe, with a rear mounted turret, was designed VK 72.01
It was actually the other way around. The VK 72.01 project began when the VK 70.01 project became too heavy, an attempt to create a lighter vehicle. I don't know which project the rear turreted depiction is connected to, it might not be traceable.
thank - you .
Should have focused on air support and improving the reliability of the Panthers, while still producing the Pz vs . The Panther was good enough to kill allied tanks. The tigers were just over kill .
Tigers were developed in order to knock out the KV's
Thank World Of Tanks for not forgetting this tank
Well if that beast was unleashed, i’d imagine the Pershing and the other heavy tanks the US were developing would be fielded.
The T30 and T34 development vehicles where from what I understand reliable with only main issue being how to ship them to Europe and how to get them to the front lines
Plus another issue was the war ended
If those were even build T29, T34 and T95 would probably be researched further and will saw some use even if they would end up like tigers II .
One of Germany's problems was that they never quite decided exactly what it was that they wanted. By that I mean they couldn't agree a design and put it into serial production. This was in part due to the fact that technology kept moving apace so ever larger tanks were (just about) technically feasible. They kept pushing the envelope of tank design rather than just holding their horses and building the Panzer VII (for instance) for a while or sorting reliability issues with existing vehicles which would have given them a more capable fighting force and a better technical understanding for the next "big" project.
@ Laszlo Kaestner: If one examines the German war machine and how weapons procurement and production worked, the process was self-defeating at times, in that many programs were subject to the Fuhrer's direct control and say-so, or lack of same. The famous Messerschmitt Me-262 jet is a case in point: German engineers, then as now, some of the finest in the world, had a workable prototype of the design ready for trials by April 1941, early on in the war...but technical problems in gearing up to produce the aircraft caused delays which slowed down the program. That's to be expected in any technology so new and untried, but Hitler made matters immeasurable worse by sticking his nose into things and demanding that the revolutionary new jet be used as a fighter-bomber and ground attack aircraft, and not as an interceptor. Albert Speer, Adolf Galland and others eventually prevailed upon him, and the aircraft was retasked as a fighter... but valuable and irreplaceable time had been lost. Consequently, a potentially game-changing weapon arrived too late to alter the course of the conflict significantly.
Germany's armored vehicle production was dogged by similar problems. Hitler's obsession with "wonder weapons," as well as his micromanaging and frequent flights of fancy and mercurial changes of mind, hampered the standardization of tank and AFV production along more rational, realistic lines.
How I remember this tank: Looooong gun.
But there is a lot of tanks with a long gun
@@scuchtern4849 Veryyyy loongg gun
Laughs in panther with L100 gun
There was no logic to building any of these heavy tanks other than Hitler was obsessed with them. All of the competent generals, Guderian, Manstien, Rommel, all wanted a lighter, faster, more maneuverable tank that could be produced in larger numbers. Albert Speer complained bitterly in his memoirs that every time Porsche designed a good tank, Hitler went and "clapped so much armor on it" that it became underpowered and of insufficient mobility. But Hitler knew better. He knew how to lose the war faster, which was good for the rest of us. And to be clear, Henschel's designs were only selected because they were the lowest bidder. Every military is guilty of that, not just the United States. But for some reason history loves to sugar coat things for the mighty German war machine.
Well not exactly. The heavies are much better than the smaller ones when fighting on the defensive which by Stalingrad every German general realized was their new situation. Tactical spoiling attacks could be reasonably won on a limited scale but the Bewegungskrieg was a thing of the past. To be clear, Ferry Porsche was screwing with that electric/ combustion combo drive and it was a mess. That's what got them the contract. The just now got that right (see 918) so they probably got it right not waiting!
"Can you imagine what a Lion could do in the hands of the right crew, if they encountered a group of T-34's or Sherman's? It would be chaos"
Then the allies would call air support and the tank that cost millions to make would be destroyed in less then 5 minutes.
*stonks* 📈
Yes in war thunder lol
Ah, just like the Time when a Tiger I destroyed around 50 T34s at Kursk?
Or when Wittmann destroyed a 14 tank column in the span of 15 minutes?
Allied Tanks were shit.
@@BOMERdeath123 aaaahaha found the wehraboo
@@bop3752 "Found the wehraboo" 🤓🤓🤓
The bigger the bore, the lower the rate of fire. There's a trade-off that eventually becomes a liability.
Right on! was this not demonstrated by the tigers that caught those sleeping Stalin tanks? they could fire those 88's much faster, I think the documentary I saw showed only 1 Stalin tank finally firing back ,missing and then getting it from an 88 at pistol range!
Nice video, though hearing you butcher that pronounciation of Löwe makes me feel like putting you on the Nurnberg Trials for a war crime. ;(
I feel you bro
I’m so happy I re found your guys channel! I subscribed for a long time and loved all your videos and then one day I searched the lion tank and I refound your channel! YT can suck.
Sorry mate. Just another chunk of heavy metal, waiting to be bombed out of existence by arty or from the air. The real killers were the panzer 4, stug models and panthers.
Tiger I wasn't ineffective either.
It was kinda the breaking point between reliable vehicles and wunderwaffe
@@kedarunzi9139 Right. At the limit of between effectiveness and waste of money, like King Tiger, Maus, and the absurd Ratte
Impressive!
I have this tank in world of tanks and wonder about the history of it came here. thanks
No worries - thanks for the comment mate :)
I just wanted to see if this tank even existed.
Since the return of the WT auf E100, I was searching if some premiums actually existed.
This tank is in War Thunder as well even though it has been removed from the German tech tree (and replaced with a Patton).
@@dixievfd55 this tank wasn't in Warthunder, the tank that they removed from the tech tree was the Tiger II(10.5cm) not the Lowe.
Well I don’t play much war thunder but I didn’t know that was in the game. ( I am not a tank expert or know much about tanks but they are cool and I like them.)
Only a dozen or so problems with this one. The British and Soviets fielded heavy tanks in the early war. The French fielded a super heavy. The German heavies, nicknamed the big cats, came later and proved unsuitable for blitzkrieg. At the start of the war German armour consisted mostly of tanks designed for training, the Kw Mk I & II, 80% of their total force. The medium tanks, Kw Mk III & IV and the Czech T38 were reliable and ergonomically sound but inferior in armament to the allied heavies. However the German tactics were superior. Had the German army had its way they would have been fully equipped with the Mk III and Mk IV tanks but Germany did not have the manufacturing capacity for that. As for the allied tanks, the French would not engage, the Soviets lacked the training and experience and the British were too small a force, though all three had more subtle impact on the early war.
As for the Lion, it is not a forgotten big brother if it was never manufactured or set to the battle field. By comparison, the British and Americans had vehicles going into production that would have out performed the Lion, the Maus and the Tigers. The US fielded the Pershings and the British had just put the Centurion into production with a fully functional 105mm gun. The Centurion was faster, easier to maintain, more devastating and reliable. It did see active service in the war and demonstrated the German folly of heavier and heavier armour as the 105 mm with new ammunition would defeat them all.
“Quantity has a quality all its own”- Josef Stalin.
Lowe certainly does very well against T34 and Sherman tanks in WOT Blitz, the American T34 heavy is another story though. I love hearing the history on the tanks I play with online.
100mm of side armour would've resulted in this getting destroyed quickly when outnumbered by opposing T34-85s or Sherman 76s. Both of which would've had tactical advantage and superiority in supporting equipment, infantry and air cover.
Yet it took 2 panthers to knock out a group of 20 shermans
@@startingbark0356 so? In head to head engagements, US Shermans destroyed 4 Panthers for every Sherman killed by a Panther.
German tanks were wunderwaffe. You're a victim of idiotic Cold War propaganda.
@@mortarriding3913 your reading it wrong lmao
@@startingbark0356 incorrect. I cited facts from the field.
British Shermans enjoyed a 2.5 to 1 ratio of victories over Panthers. Arguably a large part of the difference was doctrinal because of the gap between the Americans and the British, but in reality the Panther couldn't lay it's gun as fast, had similar armour, and a similar gun to the 17 pounder and 76mm, had worse mobility due to it's bad transmission, and was less survivable when hit.
Not only that, but the experienced Wehrmacht personnel, including supporting infantry and artillery had all been massacred by the superior Red Army prior to D-Day.
@@mortarriding3913 probably british bias, you cant really trust those brits because they cant have it if their enemy is better
To put things into perspective Germany was designing 70-90 ton tanks in early 1942 while still using majority Panzer 3s and early Panzer 4s.
Lion looks like beefy t 34
Yeah, but if t34 get a shot from that kitty, it would became a burning can
Crazy project!
A "Lauw" must be something like a "Yeti"? 😉. The German language(group) is at the roots of (old) English but it doesn't always sound that way 😉
Low ver
* Laughs in Wolrd of Tanks Blitz *
two words: transmission breakdown
Sounds like Rock & Roll hit to me.
Thanx!
Tiger has single highest kill impact on enemy tanks. Nice what some "overengineered" tanks commanded by some of the most competent men ever could do...
If the Germans would have had the resources they needed, and held out longer. The world would have been speaking german.
I don't think so, maybe a portion of Europe
Lau? LÖWE!! It’s pronounced “Loe-vah”
7:10 where he says imagine it going up against many t-34's, it would actually perform worse than a Tiger II or a Panther simply to its reload speed, and I can imagine its turret traverse wouldn't be great either. the 88mm KwK 43 was sufficient enough to go up against many Allied tanks, making the gun bigger would've just made the problem worse.
They should've just made III and IVs and NOTHING ELSE. To see the waste in the Third Reich is baffling.
edit: You guys are right, making and designing the 3,4, Panther, Tiger, Tiger 2, Maus, and Lion at the same time just to mention some of the tanks was the way to go, more efficient and saved them oil! jfc I bet the channel island fortress was a great use of concrete as well right?
Ever heard of a word called “obsolete”
Which would have caused them to run out of fuel, oil and trained crew even faster
The Tiger II looks like it could still give a modern tank a run for its money.
Ehhh... mobility kill? Sure. But that's not exactly an achievement, as even a 37-mm could mobility kill a Tiger II.
Found the wehraboo
Outgunned, out armored, outrun. Which part of Tiger 2 can defeat modern tank?
No way, I use to be a Crewman for an Abrams, the Tiger would be as easy to destroy as pressing a button.
War Thunder wtf are you doing? We need this
German tanks of ww2
Expectations: 30 to 40 tons, MASSIVE gun, can break through enemy lines, can kill lots of tanks, super fast
Rreality: 90 tons, MASSIVE gun, can break through enemy lines, can kill lots of tanks, slow, too many breakdowns, gets killed by bombers, too expensive
Most tanks knocked out are actually by bombers destroying bridges tho, the tanks where abandoned because they where stuck there, and most tiger II’s that where bomber where in the factory and not putten into service yet
Lau? law? Its Löwe! The W is pronounced like V
Maker of this video: Aren't Germans English?
me: **plays lowe in wotb**
me: _"forgotten?-"_
When i carried a 90 millimeter cannon on my shoulders i was far superior to all of those, mainly because of my manly manlyness ofc
Is that what you tell yourself?
The tans have taken over the internet
The Lowe is so beautiful, i bought a model of it, and i would like to see it in more video games .
It is in a P/C video game called world of tanks/wargaming! It is free to download the game. But It will cost 50 dollars to play the Lowe in their game!
@@cajunoflafayette9438 i played WoT for years and i have the Löwe in this game, but the game itself has terrible mechanics .
marine engine meant a diesel, and being a 1000hp diesel it would have done far better heaving that beast about than the wrung out maybach petrol engines in the tiger and king tiger. However the german army supplyline didn't support diesel as much as the soviets, so sadly even by that metric it didnt have much of a chance despite probably being spry enough to fight unlike the tumorous maus.
I don't know what a King Tiger is, but I always love videos about the Tiger II ;)
The Tiger II is the King Tiger.
@@FVStageII-hg3dp I believe it was a joke
@@apilolomi4354 Oh, well if that's the case then my bad
@@FVStageII-hg3dp Can't blame you, even as a joke it fails.
Finally! An axis tank big enough for the Typhoon to actually hit with its rockets (probably while it was stationary - broken down somewhere, stuck in mud or out of fuel).
I seriously doubt the effect the löwe would have had on the battlefield. It would have the disadvantages of the tiger 1, tiger 2 and maus combined: very slow rotating gun turret, a weight that would make the tank collapse on most European bridges ...and think of the additional weight of the 100 mm gun : wouldn't it have had serious additional speed issues to the rotation of the turret alone ? I think, MAJOR.
After some losses the Germans would realize the most effective role for the Lowe's is as a defensive heavy Stug/jagdpanzer, which defeats the point of having a turret, which was the Lowe's main innovation - a tough, round cast steel turret.
The Germans avoided a historical facepalm by skipping this tank.