Big Brake Upgrade for Your Silverado or Sierra NBS Truck Using 2019 Caliper & Rotors
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- čas přidán 11. 08. 2021
- Did you know that the four piston caliper front brake setup on the new GM trucks can be retrofitted to the 99-06 Silverados and Sierras? It is a very inexpensive upgrade and we will show you how it can be done. First things first, it will only work on the 1500 series (half tons) from 1999-2006, including the 2007 classic bodies. Also you will need to be running a 17 inch or larger wheel to be able to clear the larger rotor and caliper. The new parts will be coming from a 2019 and up new body style 1500 Chevrolet or GMC. Here is the setup that was used.
GM Calipers:
13536579 LH
13536580 RH
Raybestos R-Line Ceramic Pads:
MGD2173CH
Raybestos R-Line Rotors:
582458R
The caliper mount bolts and brake hose seals were also replaced with original OEM parts.
Custom made steel spacers specifications (qty-4)
Thickness - 0.155"
OD - 1.10"
ID - 0.54"
Website : www.autoeclinic.com
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Recommend you update the notes at the top with the latest caliper part numbers. As of 02/22/23, 13545382 and 13545383 are the current caliper part numbers. Oh, and thank you for the video!
@@PeterHatch-mx7zc Yea
Now the rear
Thanks for the updates
Glad to see you guys arent just suspending the caliper off the brake line like you did back in the "how to fix a sticking brake" video lol.. that was heart breaking
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The pad retainer goes under the cross rods. The pads slide on the rods and may also be close to contacting the vertical faces in the caliper body. Excellent place for lubricant.
Best video and info I've seen on this yet 👍
Thanks, much appreciated!
Yes I 100% agree. I've tried to watch other ones the people don't know what they're talking about or they make the videos take too long. yours is the best most concise. The only thing is other people have used store-bought washers that seem to work fine. I wouldn't know where to get a machine shop to machine me out spacers. I'm sure it costs much much more than just getting some washers from the hardware store
I need those washers
2007 and up works as well. Did that swap last summer. Direct bolt on, no spacer needed. Thanks @lsxmatt for first informing of this. Calipers can be purchased at local salvage yard or you pull it.
Yes but those calipers are 2 piston, they are stronger than the 99-06 2 piston but the calipers in this video (2019+) are 4 piston which are way better and stronger
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Maybe he meant these 4 piston calipers also work on 07 and up?
You make the conversion look so easy!! Thks
Thanks for watching, it wasn’t too bad honestly.
@AutoEclinic I can get all the parts from the dealer for $800 out the door all ome parts
Great footage! I want bigger brakes now!
Thanks! It does make quite the improvement.
Thank you! I am planning to do this to my 03 yukon denali awd
How did the upgrade went? I want to do it on my 03 escalade. Did you run with any issues on your yukon?
my 2005 1500HD has 13 inch discs on front and crappy brakes-( i wonder if the pads are long life hard pads) - local repair shop said the spongy pedal is normal for hydraulic assist
Is there a big difference in weight. I just had these installed and unless the pads are rubbing these larger rotors, it feels like the truck is not coasting like it used to and acceleration seems a bit labored. Going back to dealer to have them checked out.
Hello this a great tutorial video, I have one question; Will a spacer with a thickness of 0.162" work? I ordered the spacers but the machined shop could not make it 0.15". Thank you in advance.
After watching this I've determined the old ones are fine.
In real world use, it made a big difference. Especially when towing.
they say these need more pedal push beacuase the hold more fluid in the calipers. wouldn't it be just better to use the 2008+ calipers? they are 1" bigger overstock as well. probably overkill for most applications for the older trucks too.
Watched again did buy rim 18 in stock chev pickup my pickup is 1999 thk again for the video
You’re welcome
@AutoEclinic have all the parts before I mount them will the 18in chevy rims clear
Really so I can put this on my 2001 GMC Yukon 1500
Would you say that measurement of that spacer would be within a couple thou on nbs? Also I read a comment about having to upgrade your master cylinder?
But will this work on a 99 Escalade? I keep seeing people do the swap with newer body style trucks...but what about us 1st gen Lades?
That just does it looks like my ss silverado! !;😮 i also still working on my to add 700hp or 750hp !
Cool!
Will this work with 2024 yukon Denali different part number but it looks identical
I have a 2002 Tahoe and plan on doing the Front does anyone know if the newer rear caliper will work?
The 99-04 can be upgraded using the factory brakes that are 05-19 (which are the same, except for a caliper and pad design change in 07 from NBS to NNBS). This upgrade will bolt directly on and work the same for all 99-19 Full size 1/2 ton, 6 lug (NBS 99-07, NNBS, 07-13, K2XX 13-18). Silverado, Sierra, Tahoe, Yukon, Escalade, Avalanche, Suburban.
Yes, that will work, taking you from a 12in to 13in rotor. But this setup will net you a hair bigger rotor with 4 piston calipers, which I don't believe we're available for the NNBS trucks. I think that's why he specifically says 2019. Although I looked on RockAuto for 4 piston calipers, and was unable to locate any. However, in the description, he provided the part numbers, so it becomes much easier.
@@jameswiz I put these on my 2003 Yukon years ago; CARDONE 18B4918HD 18-B4918HD (2007 2008 Yukon) and the matching 13in rotors.
@@jameswiz So weird the part number for the calipers doesnt match the ones I found at Summit racing. Their part number for one of them is ACDelco GM Genuine Parts Disc Brake Calipers 13545383
@@joerivas9847The part numbers have changed multiple times over the past two years. As of 02/22/23, 13545382 and 13545383 are the current caliper part numbers.
What type of steel were those spacers made from?
Great video. Could you do an after video on the improvements, like test drive and stopping comparisons?
You won't see that. This is a sales pitch
@@raylaux8295 sales pitch how?
@@alfredoibarra9825 This is just advertising the conversion. Selling the idea. Not testing needed. Are you really that stupid?
Thanks!
so the only difference between the '19 is that the removal of the mounting bracket and spacing? Legit! I was looking at doing the corvette conversion on all four but this looks way more economical and with a RCSB '01 should be a huge upgrade over stock.
Did you use the rear brakes from the newer trucks?
Does anyone know if you can do this to the rear breaks as well?
hey do you think this will work on a 2008 Trailblazer SS
Would this work in a 2014 sierra ?
This is awesome. What about the rear calipers? Has anyone tried that swap?
The rear brakes on the newer trucks is still a single piston and I think even the same size as the gmt800. For a cheap big brake upgrade you can get the rear pads/rotors/calipers for a 05 Suburban. They're an inch larger and a floating dual piston.
Has anyone tried this on the 14-18 models?
Would this fit a 1998 GMC Sierra 2500 2 wheel drive?
Have you tried switching the knuckle from a 2020 as well? Was interested since some are aluminum and would help reduce weight
I haven’t
You probably already have your answer, but for anyone else looking for the answer in the future: No. The knuckles are entirely different due to a major change in suspension on the fourth gen trucks and fifth gen SUVs. GM moved the upper As towards the upper spring mount in the upper wheel well, instead of the older design that had the upper As on the chassis rails that has been mostly unchanged since at least the GMT800s. No idea how feasible a conversion would be, I doubt anyone has looked into it, later coil spring models might be simpler to convert, but older torsion spring models will probably be a bitch to convert; but at that point, is a conversion really worth it for the taller geometry at similar ride height.
Surprisingly the brakes mount up the same despite the change, otherwise everything else is different including the wheel bearing mount, which might explain the wheel offset issue, why you typically need to shave the caliper's hump down or use wheel spacers on the older trucks with this conversion. The Brembo six piston calipers should otherwise mount up just like the current gen calipers do, though I'm not sure what wheel size and offset is compatible with them. And of course, the master cylinder upgrade given the holding power change. As for rears, they look the same, the same 1500 single-piston design, the same 2500/3500 dual-piston design, and the HD's have an entirely different design using four pistons but six mounting holes so who knows if these are compatible with a 2500 rear end (or even the front knuckles for that matter, I can't seem to find parts for the HDs as easily); if you want to upgrade from a single to at least a dual, pending HD brake compatibility, you'll either need to cut off and weld on new mounting tabs or do a full axle swap-- but given GM's lack of upgrades throughout the years, 1500s have always had single piston rears, 2500/3500s have always had dual-piston rears, and HD's are new for the current gen with their own update, and the SUVs sharing the 1500 package, I don't think rear brake upgrades are all that important.
What is the spec on the washer/spacer shim
This is a awesome upgrade and great to know. Thank you. Would you happen to know if there is any upgrade like this for the 2007 and up truck's
Thanks! To my knowledge it only works for the 07 classic. I haven’t seen anyone do it on the 07 new body style. I’ll look and see if they have the same knuckle and rotor.
@@AutoEclinic This should work on 07+ o because I did the 07-19 brake upgrade with the 2 piston caliper style and the 13" rotors. These 4 piston calipers require 13.5" rotors and the washers. The NNBS brakes work without any modifications and bolt right on on my 03-06 1500 Suburban
@@hatehereyes so for my 2007 Tahoe the calipers should bolt right up?
@@hatehereyes are you saying that I can but 2007-2019 brakes caliper and rotors on any 2000-2006 Silverado 1500? with no modification
@@TheBully010 yes, no modifications at all. Just get the caliper brackets, calipers, rotors and pads and everything will bolt right up.
Would all these parts work for my 2006 trailblazer Ss?
i was wondering if i can do this set up on my 2005 chevy silverado 1500 single cab i converted to a hydro boost on the fire wall and i was trying to do some research to see if it will all work together need some info thanks
why would it not work, the caliper doesn't know where the pressure is coming from, just that it is there.
Are those Silverado 2019 NEW model brakes or from 2019 Silverado LD (legacy) models? There is a difference, yes?
New model
Will this upgrade work on a 2002 Chevrolet Tahoe 2wd ? My wheels are from a 2018 Chevrolet suburban or Tahoe. 18inch. Where can I get the spacers?
The spacers were made at a machine shop locally. I have them the specs and they cut them out.
You’ll only need a spacer if running stock wheels? What if you have some 22” wheels? I’m a bit confused lol..
You may need wheel spacers if you run a larger than 22” wheel. The caliper spacers are required no matter what size wheel you use.
Great video. Do you think this set up could fit 2018 tahoe?
Not sure, have not tried it in that.
Any review update on having completed this conversion. Any issues with master cylinder?
No issues with any components used
Anyone know whats the minimum wheel size to run this?
What's the minimum rim size required for this upgrade? I currently have 16's on my 01 Silverado Z71. Do I need a larger set of rims or can I use the stock 16's?
18s and up, but some designs might need a wheel spacer so the rim don't scrape the caliper
were the brake lines changed as well or do they just screw on to the new calipers?
They bolted directly to the stock caliper. I just put new ones because of the age of the truck.
Not some almost all apllications will require grinding of the caliper so it does not hit the wheel.Be prepared for this you dont want to have spacers on your wheels.But if you do better be able to find some close or your putting everything back on again
Was there a lot of grinding involved or just minimal?
@7resist7tyranny7 you grind where the hump is on the outer edge caliper
That hump on the outside of the caliper can it be machined off till it's flat?
Yes that’s what everyone does wheel spacers aren’t cool
U need to upgrade the master cylinder to
Are new caliper mounting bolts required or will the old ones work?
Probably not but we wanted to have a fresh start with all new hardware
Does this work with the 6 piston brembos off the new Silverado’s also
Yes the kit for the front isc$2800 rear about $600.
Where the hell do I find these washer spacers!?!? I can not find them anywhere - Anyone have ideas I have everything else just need the spacers to get the caliper spaced correctly on the rotor. Thank you
Had to get these made at a machine shop
What about the rear disk brakes will the 19 model fit the same too?
Not sure
I know you had your spacers made but is there a standard washer or anything that works?
You can use a standard washer but we wanted a single shim per bolt
@@AutoEclinic Can you offer theses spacers for sale?
I wondering if this Will work for my 01 Chevy Tahoe Lt
Possible, not tried it on anything lower than 04
Does anybody know if the calipers from the 19-21 Chevy canyon work for the nbs chevys?
Not sure, have not tried off a Colorado
Where did you get the washers at or who made them an can they make more an how much
Local machine shop, any machine shop can make them
@autoeclinic - do you have info on stainless steel brake lines? ty
No, sorry
Would this upgrade work on a Tahoe as well
Yes. The Tahoe, suburban, Yukon, Silverado, Sierra, all use the same suspension, brakes, etc.
Great video do you have those spacers for sale?
No, we only had 1 set made for the truck in the video. You can go to your local machine shop.
What's the minimum rim diameter to run these brakes?
17 inch but make sure you check the offset
Do you have a link or maybe PayPal where I can order them custom washers y’all made?
We had a local machine shop make them for us as a favor out of spare material they had leftover. I’m sure a local machine shop could turn those out pretty easily.
what size hole for the bolt & 15mm correct?
@@PONSAUTOMOTIVE any update??
Hopefully your wheels clear those big ass calipers
Does this conservation work for the rear brakes too?
Not to my knowledge
I know the steering has been turned to show us the best view but is anyone concerned about the CV angles? It looks like the geometry does not math. Not hating, just concerned.
By any chance did you happen to look up all the car parts on EBay?
GM dealer and Rock Auto.
As of 02/22/23, 13545382 and 13545383 are the current caliper part numbers.
Yes did just watch it agai. N
Is there such a thing for the 2500 series?
I have not seen anyone do it on the 2500’s as of yet.
Would this upgrade work on my 2011 Chevy Silverado LT 2wd??
Or the 4 piston brembo that came on corvette think 2014 not sure. Would those work
Not sure above the 07 old body style (classic).
They should because you can take the 07-19 calipers and bolt right on the front of the 99-06 trucks. Without the spacers.
If these bolt right up with just washers for spacers. What would be the difference doing it visa versa.
Anyone know if these would bolt onto 2014+ Silverado?
Not sure
Does this work on a 2wd or just the 4wds ?
2wd that I know of.
Will these calipers work on a 99-06 2500HD?
Wondering the same thing. Obviously would need 8 lug rotors
Not sure on that one. Have not tried it on an HD
What brake line did you use? Stock or 2019?
Stock hose for the 2004 truck. They worked with the new caliper.
Would this work in a 2017 silverado?
Don’t think so
Where did you buy the calipers.
GM dealership.
Does anyone know if this would work on A 2007 chevy trailblazer ss,
?
Not sure
Where do you get spacers custom made?
Went to a local machine shop and they made them based off of the measurements we give them.
What is the diameter of the pistons in the new style caliper?
Not sure, didn’t measure them before installation
It's the essential part of the equation when determining caliper clamping force. Did you know a 4 piston caliper has about the same clamping force of a "one sided" two piston caliper if all the pistons are the same diameter.@@AutoEclinic
where u get the washers from
Had a machine shop make them.
Does autoeclinic sell the washers
We do not, we just had a local machine shop make them.
Do they fit 2017 escalade ?
Not sure on that one
Almost positive you have the shim that goes in between the pads installed incorrectly. The flat spot should be facing towards the bleed screw. So you'd need to flip it upside down.
Yep, you're correct.
I’m confused
Lol the pads are the exact same on either side so if you install the spring upside down it’s still right side up!
@@aydengoldsberry5721 yeah it’s a stupid ass comment no wonder. People don’t use their marbles to speak anymore.
@@garymaya1767 still wondering if these will fit my 20” Texas editions ig only one way to find out 😩
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Thanks!
Did you do it to the rears?
The best brakes for a 1500 GMT800 are the suburban twin piston rear calipers hope this helps
No
Any way to do this on an obs?
Not to my knowledge
So let me get this correct.... There's no caliper bracket with these, right?
Right, caliper bolts directly to the knuckle.
@@AutoEclinic Thank you so much for the part numbers. I looked on Rock Auto, for a 2019 Silverado, and all I can find are the 2 piston calipers.
@@jameswiz same. I cant find these
@@braydenmeals9311 I'll keep you in mind, and if I find where I can order the 4 piston calipers from, I will besure to reply tagging you, and posting the link. I'd appriciate the same if you find them, please.
@@jameswiz will do man. Im gonna check my local places too
Any body try it on 07 to 13 silverado?
Not that I have seen yet
Would they work on it tho?
I don’t see the advantage over just using ‘07-10’ brakes. They’re direct bolt on and have the same size rotors.
Not sure, but the 07-10 have 4-pistons? The replacement shows bigger rotors yes, but floating 2piston vs 4pistion.
@@joshuabeecham2663 yep, I realized this after I made that comment. Funny that now my ‘06 is wearing a set of these now. Also, the rotors aren’t 13”, they’re 13.5”. Such a huge difference when standing on the pedal with larger wheels.
Get rid of the MUSIC!
This works on 2wd trucks?
Yes
@AutoEclinic already done and it is fantastic
Good video, good information. Thank you. But FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE KILL THE MUSIC! I dont understand the way peoples minds work to think adding music to a video like this would do anything but make it worse!
😂
Chrome on an impact. 😂
Bad move
I WAS gonna do this, but if I have to get new wheels forget it. Cheap upgrade? Not if you have to buy whheels and tires!!!
Well it’s from a newer truck with different wheel designs. You can’t expect a caliper from a 2021 to bolt up to a 20 year old truck and work perfectly.
@@THEEVERYTHINGTHINGCHANNEL I was talking about the wheels. I will do it anyway. One persons loss is anothers gain. A friends uncle 2019 silverado caught fire and burned. ( catalyric converter set soem hay on fire as they were stacking bales). So I will get the wheels for cheap, and the brakes. Front only, as it was the rear of the truck that burned.
Very nice educational video EXCEPT that crappy back ground noise I guess you call music. Please give the viewer a break leave it off.
Thanks for the honest feedback.
These calipers are HARD to get
A lot of parts are right now
As of 02/22/23, 13545382 and 13545383 are the current caliper part numbers. If You punch in one part number at a time along with GM into the Google search bar, you will find numerous GM dealers who have them. Once I found 83, I just looked for a dealer relatively close to me with cheap shipping added it to my cart then punched in 82 and found them both one stay away just this morning.
thanks just ordered everthing! Any options for the rear brakes?
Not that I know of
This is way to hard. Just use 2005-2014 front brakes. Those pins with the wire don't cut the mustard.
Toyota has been using those style calipers for over 40 years with no issues
Unless you are towing a lot, there is no good reason to put the much heavier brakes on a 1/2 ton pick-up ....!
Not necessarily. If your running oversized wheels and tires you want to do it.
Oversized wheels and more horsepower seems like a plenty good reason to me.
does this work on a 2008 escalade? figured i need 5mm (1/4 inch spacer)?
If using the 22s do you need the spacer?
@@michaelsuarez720 I have an 07 Esky with 2015 22' stock rims. Will I need wheel spacers?
Will these part numbers work for 17in wheels? Stock 06
Not sure on 17’s