TWiV 1026: Debunking RFK Jr.’s vaccine funk with Dan Wilson
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- Dan Wilson returns to TWiV to debunk vaccine misinformation by RFK Jr. during his recent appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience.
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So if you are claiming that ANY vaccine has been tested against an inert placebo, please post the references to those studies so that your listeners do not have to take what you are saying at face value. RFK sued HHS for those references and they came back saying they did not have such a study.
"Safety and Persistent Immunogenicity of a Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus Types 6, 11, 16, 18 L1 Virus-Like Particle Vaccine in Preadolescents and Adolescents
A Randomized Controlled Trial" Reisinger, et al, 2007.
Do you need more?
just look at the published study for Pfizer's covid vaccine - used a saline placebo.
You should listen to TWIVs offshoot beyond thebnouse # 8 for explanation of placebo .
I don’t understand why any body with even an iota of common sense would fall for placebo testing like joker ( RFK jr claims ) . He wants the trials to be unethical without a care how many children he hurts bits what’s wrong with his followers ? Personality worship and zero ability to think?
Vaccines are tested against all these as placebos saline , adjuvants to make it more blind or previous vaccines for the same illnesses . When testing against previous vaccines ( which were previously tested against adjuvants or saline ) you actually have two comparison groups plus the baseline rate of injury for that vaccine . The newer vaccine has to be held at higher standard than previous vaccine to show lower or sane rate of injury and higher effectiveness .
Also I would like you yo post the words here you would like to use for a parent of a child who passed away from illness for which there was an effective vaccine available but you gave saline . Let’s see
@@NonFlyiingDutchmanand after a few months they unblinded the study and transfected the control group. Which only makes sense because the fizer trial ‘results’ showed a less than 1% absolute risk reduction. So they used ‘relative risk reduction’ to come to the 95% effective claim to justify the bought and paid for panel’s approval. RRR was a joke calculation. The current data for every one of the jabs shows negative efficacy so that 1% ARR is actually looking pretty good.
@@philo3479 thanks for letting us know you don't understand statistics, it puts a lot of your comments into context. Absolute risk reduction is as much a measure of the prevalence of the virus as it is a measure of vaccine efficacy so it would be stupid to use it as a measure for a clinical study.
Why won’t anyone debate him if you are so much more knowledgeable then he is.
Why won't anyone debate Eric Dubay?
@@sithwolf8017if there was 2 million dollars being offered there would be a mile long line to debate him.
Never heard of Eric. RFJ even said he'd send them all his sources ahead of the debate and not site anything outwith the sources
Professor Dalgliesh makes these Muppets look like Walmart workers. Who are these pharmaceutical salesman. These people should be arrested.
taylor swift is the best. shut up.
If vaccine injuries are so "rare" why did pharmaceutical manufacturers demand the Vaccine Act of 1986 be passed shielding these companies from any liability from vaccine injuries? If no insurance companies won't cover their products because its too risky, why should they be giving liability immunity?
where is the Proof here?? RFK sites all of sources.
Where’s the safety data!!!
“Nothing is completely safe” - yet placebo controlled safety studies won’t reveal the full safety profile?
Please tell viewers how many safe and effective boosters each guest has taken in the interest of transparency. Thanks
Who are you all trying to win over with the smirks and smugness and sarcasm? It's kinda cringe 😬
You all make fun of RFK on his placebo definition but you say that placebos are sometimes containing adjuvants or other bits of the vaccine being tested for without the active ingredient. Thats the problem, you have adjuvants in there and we know that they have effects that can be very strong on the immune system themselves. You do disservice to your own arguments by mocking this question by simply citing the authority that accepts them in the placebo in the trials or doesn't define placebo adequately. You might want to address RFK's arguments against adjuvants and his definition of them as highly toxic by definition so as to cause insult and thus immune response. You all should address the question of adjuvants. And when doing so, do imagine these substances being given to newborns.
WELL, RFK LOOKS LIKE HE IS TEN TIMES HEALTHIER THAN ANY OF YOU LOT. THAT SAYS A LOT
Especially his beautiful singing voice.
@@CONTACTLIGHTTOMMY FIGURES THAT YOU WOULD MAKE FUN OF SOMEONE WITH A DISABILITY.... 'GO BRANDON'
What are the backgrounds of this panel in relation to big pharma?
"Brought to you by Pfizer"‼
As a virologist myself why do you need so many people to debunk live, attenuated, or dead.I don't see the logic in arguing clinical trials for vaccines?! It reminds me of the HIV Epidemic, Merck, Pfizer tried vaccines and all failed. The immune system is dynamic and complex and we are nowhere close to understanding all the complexities of it. How long was the Covid clinical trial?
The mRNA clinical trials started 35 years ago. This technology is perfect for SAR'S/Cov 2. mRNA treatments are not new, they are apparently new to RFK Jr. though.
It would be very nice to see a session like this with also someone like Brett weinstein or RKF themselfs in it. I believe they would be open to it and it would give more insight into where the truth is to be found somewhere, maybe in the middle.
To he honest im still leaning more towards camp weinstein than you guys. Mostly because i have seen a lot of things you mention addressed by the other side, and the way RFK en Brett are sometimes referred to in a demeaning way also doesn't help.
Neither one of them (Weinstein and certainly not RFK) are remotely as qualified as any of the people presenting here. So - why???
@@steinbeck1805 Brett Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist and RFK has been researching this topic as a layer litigating for over 20 years. If that is not good enough for you there is an endless list of other people qualified and willing to make the counter points. and If they all really talk nonsense then why not have them on and point it out. Or start a discussion in writing so both sides have time to get into the data sighted. Cause I have seen enough talking on both sides to know there is data on both sides. some put forth by big pharma itself some done sloppy. There is a lot to get into, and as far as I can tell people like RFK and Brett (and a bunch more) are well read and sincerely looking for truth. If you ask me thats all you can ask for in a debate, and a scientific mind should see a good challenge as an exploration of truth. This just calling others dumb from a distance and never really engaging in a sincere way to look if the truth good be somewhere else then exactly where you think it is might just be to rigid to be very scientific.
Had do they know 90% of deaths were unvaccinated? If they admit the effectiveness drops rapidly after 5 months did they count those as unvaccinated? Did they count those over 75 as not vaccinated even if they were since poor immune system can equal poor response to vaccine? Can we trust that data from the CDC since they hid data and 3xaggerated if it didn't make the vaccine look good? Was there so much riding on the program that failure wasn't an option
Why not bring on John Abramson? He might school these tools He was the EXPERT in teh Bextra case where pfizer was convicted of the biggest fine in criminal history. Yeah lets all listen to the words of indoctrinated stooges who only know what they have been told to think.
Whats the point of such debate if it actually does not follow the scientific methodology so... kinda need to do science to know stuff. RFK, Bret can shout 1000 stupid ideas, it takes time to investigate/debunk/verify each of such ideas/claims.
This group has such a large fan base for all those people vaccinated and fearful of outcomes which have been showing up throughout the world, and concerns for the vaers systems 18,000 dead reported without any vetting by the cdc. How do we account for 20 percent increase in death not attributable to covid?
When all cause mortality goes up after a mass vaccination campaign, shouldn't the public health officials want to know why? It seems that they just want to put their collective heads in the sand.
Exactly
Clearly they want to ignore it or claim that people didnt get their normal check-ups that would have found their illness sooner.
What’s one group that has been spared the excess DEAths ? The vaccinated . Med cram has two excellent video on it and back to science has several.
have fun with a live expectancy of about 30 or if you get older than that being crippled and disfigured. This was the norm before vaccines existed.
Where are the independent virologists without big pharma connections?
We can be found in most hospitals treating out of control viruses that have ravaged unvaccinated children.
They went to comp science jobs
I think it is best to bring RFK on your podcast and debunk him in front of his face, not behind his back,
THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT..
Agreed.
I think it is important to explain why a placebo in a vaccine trial is not just saline, and does include the adjuvant and most other components of the vaccine except for the antigenic component. The main principle is that the trial should attempt to have as few variables as possible, to prevent the presence of occult or "lurking" variables that would affect the outcome. Everything needs to be the same so that the results can be attributable to the thing that is varied.
If you're only testing the vaccine and trusting the placebo trial from 1932 then yeah, just test it against an old vaccine. However if you want to see the actual difference between people who receive the vaccine and people who don't then you give one group the vaccine and give the other saline.
Yes..this confuses me..I dont really care what part of a vaccine could be harmful..I just want to know if it causes harm. So have we ever studied adjuvants alone against saline placebos? I think we all know there is risk in anything..but what is the risk of the whole product. And how much adjuvant are people getting from everything altogether?
No, we need to study the safety of the adjuvants vs a real placebo, too. We get the whole thing injected, not just the active part. The effect of the product as a whole can not be divined from summing up what we know about separate ingredients.
Yes. I’ve heard there are heavy metal adjuvants in the flu vaccine, for example. The body apparently gives a great immune response in response to the very toxic heavy metal ( aluminum) which in itself is good. But what happens to the aluminum? I fear it goes to the brain.
Can TWIV, or Dan Wilson, a pharmaceutical paid spokesperson provide links to any studies addressing this question?
@@davyd28 yes that makes sense to me too. Thank you so much for responding😊
At least RFK asks questions. The fact that all you people do is "de- bunk" and refuse to ask questions or tread difficult waters conversationally is sickening and unethical. I actually don't see any real debunking going either ... just deflection
I think it might do well to look into the peer review process. Literally all researchers do is “ask questions” for a paper to survive peer review it has to undergo strict scrutiny by other experts in the field, and this is just on the one specific small claim the paper makes. Then if it survives that scrutiny, it needs to survive replication.
Sure RFK asks questions, but that’s all he does. He asks broad questions then when hes pushed he jumps to another broad misleading claim. His ideas never need to survive strict and specific scrutiny because he will always just jump to another claim. It takes way more time to disprove a claim than it does to make one. He understands this and that’s his whole game.
Also the scrutiny these researchers must survive to make it through their PHD thesis defense is likely more than RFK has even gone through
IF RFK Jr. Is wrong, then WHY won't ANYONE calling him a liar REFUSE TO DEBATE HIM ON THE ISSUE OF VACCINES?
It would be like playing chess with a pigeon. It will just crap all over the board, knock over the pieces, before flying back to its flock and act like it won the game.
@@matthewdopler8997 That's an absurd analogy when referring to RFKjr. Alex Jones, sure, but come on.
@@ChrisCapel I don’t see the difference. If you hear RFK Jr speak it is just as crazy. He believes the Spanish Flu was caused by vaccines.
@@matthewdopler8997So let people see that RFKjr was like a pidgeon then.. Why are these guys so scared of a "pidgeon"? Lol. They're not very convincing when they're cowards unwilling to discuss RFKjr's claims without RFKjr being present..
@@matthewdopler8997
I don't agree. The public isn't that ignorant. Allow both sides, Kennedy & the vaccine community to present and defend their data and the public will be able to decide.
You are missing one very important person - RF Kennedy Jr. Why are popdcaster and news-casters afraid to give him air time?
Let RFK talk about the money he rakes in from Big Pharma quack medicine 💊. He's a very corrupt individual and has no place in Politics.
Sorry..another question. You mentioned that ethyl mercury is excreted out of the body quickly..but RFK talks about a study in which it actually does not exit more quickly than methyl mercury, but actually accumulates in the brain. Is this true? Do you know which studies disputed this claim? I would love t read. Thank you.
RFK quoted a study where they found the ethyl mercury in the brain of monkeys. He was talking with Paul Offit pharmaceutical and FDA representative on the phone and asking if there were any studies that showed this was not true, and that the mercury was excreted from the body. Paul Offit could not produce any studies. If TWIV has any such studies, or Dr. Offit could you please provide the links?
@@toniencheff4046 Thank you! I think that they mentined that..that Paul Offet said RFK never asked for them, so it seems like an easy fix, could someone from the discussion panel please, please, please provide links or reference to a couple of these studies? I feel like this could clear up so much confusion. Thank you 😊
Panel...tell us why ethyl mercury is the exception, point us to the studies! Please! I came here to listen and come away with some peace of mind but end up feeling like im being ignored by the panel. Please tell me how these vaccines are different and show me that the people I have trusted with my health have sound evidence to base their recommendations on! If you have read these studies, tell people where to read them please!
@@toniencheff4046 sorry I confused you with the other one. I saw you asked a question about ethyl mercury. I will answer the question as well as suggest you read Dr Offit substack on that topic as he attached 6 studies on the topic and then another 28 studies on the topic that showed no difference in vaccinated vs unvaccinated .
Also RFK jr talks about Burbacher study . I encourage you to read it it’s free . The study is done in monkeys not in infants ( entirely different metabolism ) . Also even that study shows ethyl mercury gets out of body 4 to z5 times faster ( read it long time back ) than methyl mercury but in brain ethyl mercury stays 2 to 3 times longer . But only 1/10 portion as compared with methyl mercury actually enters the brain . Other studies have shown that ethyl mercury even when in brain is not as toxic as methyl mercury.
@@cannsktchn6072 sorry I confused you with the other one. I saw you asked a question about ethyl mercury. I will answer the question as well as suggest you read Dr Offit substack on that topic as he attached 6 studies on the topic and then another 28 studies on the topic that showed no difference in vaccinated vs unvaccinated .
Also RFK jr talks about Burbacher study . I encourage you to read it it’s free . The study is done in monkeys not in infants ( entirely different metabolism ) . Also even that study shows ethyl mercury gets out of body 4 to z5 times faster ( read it long time back ) than methyl mercury but in brain ethyl mercury stays 2 to 3 times longer . But only 1/10 portion as compared with methyl mercury actually enters the brain . Other studies have shown that ethyl mercury even when in brain is not as toxic as methyl mercury.
How about the corporate capture of federal agencies. It's that bunk too?
yes
@@NonFlyiingDutchman wow, you are gullible... So Citizens United was a good decision?
@@NonFlyiingDutchman
You making stuff up again? Are you a prolific purveyor of bs son?
@@NonFlyiingDutchman No.
How about compensation from pharmaceutical companies? No they are exempt. They can do whatever they want and not pay a penny toward the injured. 😢
I can tell you one thing that was fact that jfk jr said . We the US do experiment with biological weapons . Look up the rebuilding Americas defenses, strategically forces resources for a new century page 60 left side of the page towards the bottom . Then to show defunding , let’s go to omnibus bill 2023 , page 162 section 8137 . Fun stuff .
Your arrogant laughter doesn’t help your case. Yes you are all too arrogant to
Debate there is 2 million up for grabs and you are still too arrogant to
Decently your position.
You should have him on to talk???
Don't hold your breath.
They should have him on. Each present their studies, discuss in dialectical format
Dialectical means logical discussion. There is nothing logical about the environmental lawyer's take on vaccines and covid.
@@imrosebaga5600We'll be the judge of that
@@imrosebaga5600 believe dialectical means 2 things can be true at the same time? Someone please correct me if i am mistaken?
From what I understand, RFK Jr is asking for long term vaccine safety studies where patients are followed up after years, not efficacy studies.
Many of the research papers provided in the links show safety testing for very short periods (just days) and some are not even safety studies but are efficacy trials (safety test are done to rule out vaccines potential to destroy immune system, increasing suspentiability to other illness; or allergy reaction).
The safety studies should be longer (years) to unreveal any potential long term injuries (allergy reactions, etc). Efficacy studies on whether vaccines effective immunized a person is not the point.
I hope you guys can provided studies that meet this requirement
From links provided:
Polio Vaccine Study
4 page paper??
Measles Vaccine Study
13 day safety test??
HPV Efficiacy Trial (NOT SAFETY TRIAL)
15 years efficacy test, NOT safety study
COVID-19 Efficacy and Safety Trial
7 days safety test??
HepB Efficiacy Trial (NOT SAFETY TRIAL)
12 months efficacy test, NOT safety study
Chickenpox Efficacy Trial (NOT SAFETY TRIAL)
The trial lasted for only 9 months. Study only looked out for Chickenpox diagonised during the trial.
NOT SAFETY TEST that takes into account any other potential injuries
HepA Efficacy and Safety Trial
follow up mean 103 days
no adverse reaction
Diphtheria Vaccine Study
not available
Below Vaccines are all efficacy NOT safety study:
Haemophilus influenzae B
Pertussis
Tetanus
Pneumococcal
Mumps
Meningococcal
21:04 The above mentioned studies, I believe, are non-phase 4 studies on vaccine safety, only one phase 4 long term vaccine safety study after market was provided which is the "KiGGS Study results on atopic diseases after vaccination".
Conclusion:
"Our results provide no evidence that immunisations in the 1st year of life may increase the risk of atopic disease. If any association exists at all, our results may be interpreted as weakly supportive of the hypothesis that immunisations may slightly decrease the risk of atopy in later life." "For analyses of potential associations between vaccination status and risk of hay fever, atopic dermatitis or asthma"
1 year safety study, no allergy reaction in form of ONLY hay fever, atopic dermatitis or asthma.
@@corneliuschiew There are a handful of studies that compare unvaccinated children to vaccinated children. You can probably imagine why there are only a handful, because they show negative health effects from vaccines
Such a fair and balanced debate with 6 pro vaccine advocates and no one on the other side to rebut anything said.
it wasn't intended to be a debate, much like RFKjr on Joe Rogan wasn't a debate
Glad to see you confirm RFK Jr. is anti vax
@@NonFlyiingDutchman Rogan has at least 20 times as many viewers & everyone will know the name RFK jr before too long unlike Offit who refuses to consider a fair in person debate on such a large platform.
@@robbielee2148 By that standard, we should take medical advice from pop stars who have huge audiences but zero understanding of complex medical concerns.
RFKjr is an attorney. You might not like attorneys, but he has always defended the people against pharma fraud and pollution. If the FDA is given the funds for reviewing products BY the companies in question, why would ANY of you find that acceptable? Unfortunately, that reason ALONE explains most of the hesitancy.
Hum so is that why he lies ? How dangerous are his methods ? Why do you think the clown. Wrote a book about way way better person then himself and lied consistently in that book ?
What do you think about his role in the deaths of 83 people ( including children ) in American Samoa ?
Why do you think he praises those who played a role in president Mbeki not treating hiv and he also praised Andrew Wakefield who caused measles outbreaks in both sides of the pond .
If we the medical doctors listen to that clown and his proposed extremely stupid idea how many children do you think he will kill ?
@@Sceince01The real question is, what's your body count?
@@Sceince01RFKjr lied consistently in the book? Yet, you don't see Fauci objecting, do you?? 😂😂
@@winnmatthews not every body sinks to the level of RFzk jr . Let’s see , Jjist test one . In his book RFK jr blames Dr Fauci for opioid epidemic . Why and how is Dr Fauci responsible ?
@@winnmatthews also why do you think the cheapster RFK jr lied about Dr Offit receiving 186 million ? Why donyoubthibkntje cheapster lied about Dr Offit’s vaccine containing thimerosal ?
Let’s see if you can answer because his fans hide or lie and try to trick their way out of answering when confronted with facts . Just like the poster of original comment in this thread Marcia
Blablabla with no data. U must believe this still are medieval times. What a shame
As long as the entities responsible for making decisions about our health are coupled financially with Big Pharma, trust will continue to be difficult to attain.
Moreover, hindering open scientific discourse during a pandemic doesn't contribute to establishing trust. Let's remember this for the future!
Science free of financial and ideological coercion is truly amazing!
Dan Wilson works for Johnson and Johnson. No conflict of interest there.
RFK has built a fringe political career off being a nepo baby peddling ridiculous medical conspiracy theories. Sure, there’s some conflict of interest there? RFK is also involved with several lawsuits along these lines. Any conflict there?
@@collinsmcrae YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG. If you want to prove you are right, please debate him
@@GBS1043 Are you traded? Sure. Set it up.
You can't really debate conspiracy theorists and wackos, for several reasons. A) No matter what you say or what you source, they won't accept it, B) They aren't qualified to speak expertly on the subject, so there's no reason to legitimize them by having a debate C) They will just diarrhea vomit endless shit that nobody can possibly fact check within the timeframe of the debate.
It's a lose lose for experts to debate such a guy. He isn't entitled to a seat at the table anyway.
Id like to see you guys go through each study RFK Jr sites and explain how the science has either learned differently or what is wrong with what he is claiming. Also would be helpful if you guys would include where the data could be more robust or maybe some studies that would be helpful to ease people's minds.
Ease people’s minds?
With all the deliberate ‘twists n turns’ and gaslighting by the mass media… Easing peoples minds will be impossible without universal agreement of ‘one single truth’ about this whole nasty mess, the population will continue to be confused what the actual TRUTH is! 😡
It’s already available. Start with Dr Wilson’s videos. RFK is not remotely learned in the field.
You need a robust process to determine verdicts. You don't simply look at so called evidence, and make a claim. At least not without a robust process. MRNA is not fit for human use. It's experimental. No one has a clue what MRNA will do. And, they definitely are not good at manufacturing, or developing it.
@@steinbeck1805 I'll look for it but I'm just wondering why they go through each point but then don't show wtf they're talking about. Have you ever watched Dr. Beans' channel? He makes videos breaking down the mechanism and uses illustrations to show how the studies show this or that.
They spend a lot of time laughing about staying at your education level or something but they don't really seem to understand the actual points they need to refute.
@@bigfishysmallpond I listened to them talk about many of RFK Jr's points and rebut each one. Then in the new podcast today there was a discussion of the new RSV vaccine, which has had 3 placebo controlled trials, one with a saline placebo.
On the subject of lawyers, I recall a lawyer making the claim that he could convince a jury that the Earth is flat based on the evidence. To which I told him that being able to convince a jury that the Earth is flat says a lot more about how the Law works than it tells you about the shape of the Earth.
When I took a rhetoric class in college where we had to defend or fight a point of view. That's a place where the lights went on for me. I had a friend who had a master's in philosophy and who was pro-2nd Amendment. It was after Sandy Hook I was listening to his arguments, and I finally said to him, "I'm not going to argue against you. You will have clever arguments but never get to the truth."
@@eottoe2001 Way back in college during a night of drinking, 2 friends got into an argument. One of them could debate anything, take either side, and win against anyone I knew. So when he was done with stating his view, the second guy walked up to him and spit on his shoes. The first guy looked shocked, and went back to a very detailed argument backing his views. The second guy spit on his shoes again. They both walked away believing they had each won the argument.
RFK Junior denying HIV causes AIDS is the biology equivalent of flat Earth.
I presume that was his point exactly.
I have a good friend who is a KC (kings counsel) essentially the top of the chain in court/trial lawyers in the UK. Sometimes when talking to him he can make me doubt that 2 + 2 = 4!
Go write peer review papers to counter the other peer review papers with hard facts and good experiements. Else, it is just an opinion, not real science .
I am so glad they address this point. I cringe every time I hear someone say, "Trust the science", "Follow the science", and "Believe in science." Those statements imply a grave misunderstanding of science and are very misleading to layman. Science is not a religion or a set of instructions. A more apporpriate way would be, like one participant said, "trust the science method and the science process." And I would add this: the "facts" as best as we know by scientific process will NOT tell us how to act. Science gives us the information based on which to make our decisons. Our actions should be guided by reason and moral and ethical judgements. Many bad things have been committed in the name of science because some people lack moral and ethics (e.g. Nazi experiments in concentration camps, USA's infamous Tuskegee experiment.) Early in my medical career I have adopted this motto: "Data is not the same thing as information; information is not knowledge; knowledge is not truth; truth is not wisdom."
Yes, in principle, "trust the scientific method and process", but unfortunately, in practice, there is too much corruption in many areas of scientific endeavor these days.
A phenomenon which can only be exacerbated when those with the power and platform to dispel false claims (e.g. Fauci), instead make the claim that they are ‘the science’.
If I wanted to listen to just a few minutes of this two hour long epitaph and just hear something that backs up this animal jumping theory that almost nobody believes right now which minute would I go to on this video?
@@jazzforpeace there is zero evidence for lab leak and overwhelming evidence for zoonosis both generic and with chains of infections
so how dishonest it would be to ignore all the evidence and pick one thing that is extremely unlikely to be a causative link ?
1: what a coincidence the lab to search corona viruses was built in an area where the corona virus is likely to be found but still in a city large enough where they could get virologists to work .
2: market is not even the 10 most crowded place in Wuhan . So why the earliest 172 cases were not located in more crowded area ( which would be more consistent with lab leak )
3: why were early cases not located in areas where lab people lived ?
4: why were all early cases both market related and market unrelated were located in the market ?
5: which lineage was lab leaked ? Lineage A or lineage. - B ( since there were two lineages at the very start )
6: two lineages is very consistent with natural ( zoonotic infection )
7 none of the lab personnel tested positive for COVID
8 none of the bats in lab tested positive for COVID
9 WIV did not have SARS-COV-2 virus as they tried to publish all they had .
10: the nearest match WIV had was 96.2 % match and the best oft the best virologist will need 99.7% match most will need 99.9% match in 30k nucleotide virus .
"Trust the Science" also translates into Trust all Scientists....and assumes scientists are human beings immune from corruption and being corrupted....it wasnt the photocopy temps but the scientists at Johnson&Johnson who rigged data for years to hide the asbestos in their baby powder....it was the scientists at Purdue Pharma who rigged data to support the lie that fentanyl and oxycontin were safe low addictive pain killers.....and so I am not even sure we can trust the science method and science process that goes on in the labs of Big Pharma.
What is Ecohealth Alliance?
It's a "science non-profit" funded by the NIH and involved in the work on the coronavirus research at the Wuhan lab.
If you inject people with the adjuvant and call it a placebo... what if the problem is the adjuvant? Doesn't that cross your mind?
Exactly
Why doesn't a debate occur face-to-face with someone like Offit and Kennedy and let the viewers decide for themselves what they want to believe. That might make a a better conclusion of all of this.
Seems like RFK Jr. has long term memory and his short term memory is deteriorating. Sad 😥
Europe does not require the same number of vaccines as the US. Many countries don’t require them to go to school. For instance England does not require the chicken pox vaccine. Why, bc of the increased incidence of Shingles. Of those vaccines that are recommended maybe they have a higher vaccination rate, but they don’t require the same number of vaccines.
Uh dude the chickenpox vaccine doesn't cause shingles.
Right, I learned via RFK that this Hep b jab is given on the second day of life. That is unheard of in many countries. Yet us americans pretend like oir way is the best, we have so much to learn from other countries; especially on this topic.
CZcams timestamps by Les
03:10 compassion for the rare serious vaccine side-effect victim as well as avoiding all-too-common serious morbidity and mortality.
Those victims can apply for compensation.
13:42 First versions of vaccines are tested against placebos. Once a vaccine has been proven safe and effective, a placebo would expose
the risk of the pathogen and expected unnecessary harm from the disease. Then, the new vaccine is
compared to the original proven one and superiority is the standard test criteria.
17:06 Placebos in vaccine trials.
Phase 4 of trial is tracking safety and effectiveness in the general public
30:09 Vaccine mandates
31:02 Junior convinced American Samoa to get rid of MMR mandates and 80 children died from preventable disease
33:42 Vast majority CoViD deaths are preventable by vaccinating
36:26 public health dept
57:18 We trust the scientific process because hypotheses get tested
1:05:26 debating someone who refuses to acknowledge proven facts is useless
scientist vs lawyer
1:12:58 Aids denialist
1:16:01 1918 Flu caused by vaccination claim
1:19:52 Claim flu wasn't killing people, bacteria was independently
1:21:44 WiFi causes brain cancer claim
1:24:53 You don't need vax, just live healthy
1:30:21 Thimerisol claims
1:37:03 Wakefield's fraud that vax causes autism
1:42:43 Host picks
1:42:45 Dixon Jazz G.O.A.T.S - Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald
1:46:31 Brianne Defining the Anthropocene
1:48:28 Kathy - How to use your thermostat on A/C
1:51:01 Rich - Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
1:52:46 Vincent - Step Aside, Joe Biden
Listener Pick
1:55:41 Kim ssDNA and dsDNA virus links
Audio podcast timestamps by Jolene. Thanks.
see www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-1026/ for references
But I seriously doubt the facts are proven. They are all studies from industry insiders who also fund the FDA and are themselves employees of the FDA. If Dr. Paul Offit has studies showing that ethyl mercury is excreted by the body please, TWIV, list the citation. Or point me down the road to find the study myself. RFK sued for the studies and they were not available.
It's not rare. They refuse to care.
Good luck applying for compensation. Oh right, the did this under EUA so they are off the hook for that too. I know two nurse's who son's got Miocardiis and zero help from Rx or government.
@@koko4kosh960 She will be unaccounted for among the millions.
No doubt some liar fraud who just wanted taxpayers to make her rich based on her lie that "the vaccine" hurt her.@@koko4kosh960
The Vax-believers!! Truly a sacrament and gift from god. no one question the miracle pls
Dan Wilson got his doctorate in Molecular Biology in 2020. He works for a bio pharmaceutical company. He is not a clinical physician.
Yup he researches and he is a scientist yet you prefer a known liar like RFK jr whose methods will actually harm children and is associated with 83 deaths in American Samoa .
Anyway you fail to site what Dr Wilson said that is not correct ? Trying to malign him just because you can’t find fault with he says . Should we use you as testimony for the fact that he is right?
+janinepera8338
As if that matters to you. Over 96% of "clinical physicians" in the United States full support the Covid vaccine and have gotten it themselves. They continue to beg the American public to get vaccinated to help them manage Covid. But you anti-vaxxers don't care what they say.
Don't act like it matters to you what they say.
@@jackjohnson4386 There are clinical physicians who are against the vax and majority isn't what matters in science.
@@winnmatthews
*"majority isn't what matters in science."*
The majority matters in everything. At any given point in time, if 97% of scientists believe one thing about any topic and another 3% disagree, it's highly likely that the 97% are correct.
Should the minority be allowed to voice their opinion and try to prove themselves right? Of course. That's now science evolves. But this isn't what anti-vaxxers are doing, which is why the overwhelming majority of scientists are not anti-vaxxers.
@@jackjohnson4386 "majority matters in everything" uhm what??
"The 97% are highly likely correct" Okay? Maybe. But we're not talking who's highly likely correct. It's really not about the majority, it's just about the weight of the evidence.
"Should they be allowed to voice their opinion and try to prove themselves right? Of course" Ok, so why are they being censored then? Lol
"This isn't what anti-vaxxers are doing" Again, they are being silenced and threatened to lose their license, etc. if they don't go along with the majority, lmao.. So how are they given the opportunity to voice their opinion and try to prove themselves right??
The pro-vaxxers side are not open to being challenged. We see it time and time again. Their unwillingness to have any discussion. So how is that in line with scientific progress???
Believe in science🤢
HOW DOES ANYONE KNOW THAT ANYTHING SAID ON THIS PODCAST IS TRUE ?
We know by reading other sources, including "Turtles All the Way Down." This is just another biased group who will never accept reality. They've been gas lighted.
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THE POINT IS THAT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY IS WORKING HARD TO HIDE THE TRUTH AND WEIRD PEOPLE ARE GOING ALONG WITH IT.
40:45 No, he specifies anaphalctic food allergy which he says come from adjuvants. I wish we could have experts comment on this, but every time it's brought up, the subject switches to autism and the waters are muddled. The frequency of kids who have to carry an epipen has exploded. An explanation of why would be nice.
@@three.one_fourIt sounds like you find yourself very clever.
@@three.one_four Everyone needs a hobby. Good on you for staying busy 👏
the chems peanuts get treated with contributes heavily.
Spotify app is easy to download and free. I encourage everyone to listen to Joe Rogan’s interview with RFK for themselves and listen to his own words- not people who disagree with him paraphrasing him. I have never heard RFK Jr. be condescending or rude to anyone, which is more than I can say for even the US House of Representative Democrats at their recent hearing on censorship. I listened to the whole thing. They put words in his mouth and would not even let him reply to defend himself. I listened to the whole hearing. I am a lifelong Democrat. He behaved with so much dignity. I was so positively impressed with him
As a lifelong R, I had the same takeaway as you. I find him a very compelling candidate.
I think many feel the same way. The more Democrats and scientists like these attack and try to silence him, or won't even confront him at all, like here, the more respect I find I have for him.
He's engaged in stochastic terrorism, encouraging his followers to attack scientists and doctors. He urged people in Samoa not to protect their kids against a measles outbreak (over 80 kids were killed). He tells HIV patients not to take medication that is needed to keep their infections from becoming AIDS (which is lethal).
THE problem with vaccine injury is not that people suffer from having the truth witheld from them. THE PROBLEM is that when someone has an adverse effect, the injury compensation program stands as a barrier between a victim and the party responsible for the injury. This protection is provided by taxpayer funded agencies, and it protects enormous profits against claims for the damage done.
the payment scheme is funded by vaccine manufacturers and it is taxpayer funded regulators that approve the vaccines and public health departments that recommend and give them
What effect does SARS-CoV-2 binding to ACE2 have on its enzymatic activity, and on its protective actions toward lung epithelial cells and lung injury?
Once binded to by the engineered Spike (specifically the S1 domain from either vaccine or the infection), the ACE2 does not function at all. There is evidence of thousands of microscopic epithelial injuries throughout, resulting in long-term inflammation and sometimes unrecoverable damange.
Never has the current vaccine schedule as a unit been tested against placebo - saline. It matters not if each individual vaccine has or hasn't been tested against saline, as soon as you combine vaccines either in the same vial or give on the same day, you have a new drug combination that HAS NEVER BEEN TESTED AGAINST PLACEBO.
I am always amazed how “scientists” seem so comfortable completely ignoring interaction effects, particularly with vaccines and pharmaceutical drugs.
Parma shills
I wonder if Dixon is using the most suitable sticks. I use the ‘handed’ ones ie ajustable aluminium sticks with black plastic pads at the top ergonomically shaped so the palms of your hands rest/press down comfortably on top of the sticks. Very useful for going downstairs but you can still come a cropper if the rubber pads slip on something .
Anyone know which episode Vincent is referring to in which he and Rich did a TWiV in Irvine about vaccine exceptions
This is absolutely terrible
Love your latest background set up Vincent.
❤❤❤ I wouldn’t have made it through covid without these guys. Love debunk the funk guy joining up. Vincent and the gang at Twiv has been doing this for YEARS and deserves all the credit for science communication.
apparently RFK debunks this debunk too lol would like to see it but seems nowhere to be found
HOW DOES ANYONE KNOW THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TRUE ?
rfk said it on a podcast i think it was lex f@@GBS1043
It's probably worth noting that a large percentage of the population is REALLY bad at assessing risk. Keep in mind the number of people that waste their money on lotteries. There's this thinking that if they can get lucky they will, despite the odds. Also, the details of the facts on various vaccines can be complex and not all public health spokespersons always express such details accurately or consistently. Inaccuracies and inconsistencies get noticed and held up as examples of lying in the service of supposedly nefarious governmental or corporate organizations.
I know that it is very unlikely that I will win a lottery. I still spend a dollar every week or two. I get the fun of fantasizing about winning. That makes my investment fun.
@@jimjohnson3349 "Lottery dumb" is a pedestrian take. Let me give you the big brain take: lotteries are *only* a dumb investment, *if* you are certain to make a more profitable investment with that money otherwise (higher opportunity cost).
A lottery ticket, no matter how insignificant, has a non-zero probability of yielding a positive return -- as opposed to the majority of consumtion, like say, buying caloric intake which isn't used to perform labor, or paying extra money for milk because you go to a certain supermarket, or extra gas spent because you aren't driving at optimum speed, etc.
So people who act like buying a lottery ticket is irrational, are completely missing the point: lotteries are just super high risk speculative instrument -- which makes perfect sense because the cost is extremely low. And here's the kicker: the "first ticket" you buy, has incredibly high value, because it takes you from 0 to >0% probability of winning. Beyond that, each additional ticket gets increasingly less "profitable", because they don't raise you relative probability of winning nearly as much as the intitial one does, *per dollar spent* .
So (ignoring differences between different lottery brands), what you wanna do is: spend the minimum amount you can spare (per time unit), to at least enter the lottery. That's the exact right thing to do.
My goodness, what are the vaccination rates over your neck of the woods?
Luck isnt real
Nearly everyone in the country got COVID. The cases of people are only the people who go to the hospital which relatively few do.
There were maybe 1 million deaths. The vast majority of which were not healthy or had preexisting conditions.
If 1 million people died that is ~.3% of the population?
All 4 of my grandparents died of the common cold well before COVID. They were older, poor health in general. The cold turned into pneumonia.
There is no doubt this wave was bad, but not as bad as it could have been.
People say the vaccine saved them because they had less symptoms. We were already well into the less symptomatic variants when the vaccine became available. Everybody was less symptomatic.
That is the nature course of past SARS variants as well🤦🏼♂️
Nobody can know the alternative of what they didn't experience. Either way. More dangerous than any virus is the war on our democracy.
Corporation don't even need defence lawyers anymore. They have a whole population that will follow and do anything for them and never even question it.
These guys likely can’t even acknowledge the lab origin for covid and yet we are supposed to take them seriously.
Why should they acknowledge a lie when it’s been scientifically proven that virus is natural and lab leak is considered extremely unlikely . Do you want these guys to stoop to the pathetic levels of RFK jr or go the street thug level who in their ignorance still believe lab leak or those dishonest ones who know they can fool people easily as some can’t think for themselves so it’s easy to drive them to lab leak.
1: what a coincidence the lab to search corona viruses was built in an area where the corona virus is likely to be found but still in a city large enough where they could get virologists to work .
2: market is not even the 10 most crowded place in Wuhan . So why the earliest 172 cases were not located in more crowded area ( which would be more consistent with lab leak )
3: why were early cases not located in areas where lab people lived ?
4: why were all early cases both market related and market unrelated were located in the market ?
5: which lineage was lab leaked ? Lineage A or lineage. - B ( since there were two lineages at the very start )
6: two lineages is very consistent with natural ( zoonotic infection )
7 none of the lab personnel tested positive for COVID
8 none of the bats in lab tested positive for COVID
9 WIV did not have SARS-COV-2 virus as they tried to publish all they had .
10: the nearest match WIV had was 96.2 % match and the best oft the best virologist will need 99.7% match most will need 99.9% match in 30k nucleotide virus .
Still waiting for your reply . Now you know why that can’t come down to your level of ignorance and allergy to facts . Flat earther.
@@Sceince01it has not been proven it originated in the wet markets. Thats the least likely explanation
@@rjbiker66 oh really . Exactly how is it the least likely ? Let’s hear you and after that I will tell you why it’s the only explanation .
Also Question 2 - how do you think it originated ?
Let’s see
🤦🏽♂️if there are hospitals why wear seatbelts. Wow this is the level of dangerous stupidity we're up against.
Yes bring RFJ jr on so that the regular Joe can see in the moment how ludicrous RFK Jr's statements are. Also you all found a way to be compassionate to anonymous's letter. You found a way without scientific speech to hear him. Please we need to have the debate. Do it! Now!
I would like to know if there are any panelists with a conflict of interest. Ty
yeah the bottom middle guy said he works for Janssen pharmaceuticals..
If RFKJR makes money from what he does, is that a conflict of interest?
@buzzardclementine4451
Yes, he stated he works for a pharmaceutical company. Although he also stated his company has no vaccines on the market. SO, if the topic is vaccines. The conflict of interests (smoking gun) isn't there.
Here's another thought. Joe Rogans net worth is $215 million. Rfk jr is $80 million. Scientists make an average of $60,000-$140,000 salary. Who has more to lose??
Rogan owns shares in supplements and has his own health and wellness company. He has a vested interest in pushing supplements over vaccines and medicine, yet no one talks about his conflicts of interest.
@@vrencan9735 I'm equal opportunity.
Important to note RFKjr has repeatedly stated that if there is any contravertable information to his claims he is very open to being contacted and listening to what you have.
I hope you will be willing to take him up on that offer. ❤
but he's repeatedly failed to honour that statement.
Also..., live testing a new therapeutic in the field without clinical trials has serious implications for future products.
Clinical trials provide a controlled environment whereby many variables that exist in real life are eliminated and cannot interfere with determining the safety of a new vaccine.
I would think this to be basic understanding for medical research professionals such as this panel. ❤
@@jiiig8667 what do you think has been 'live test in the field without clinical trials'?
@@NonFlyiingDutchman im sure he is very busy. It's not like it would be easy and I am sure he's gotten some pretty rude people attacking him.
I don't think this panel is being really genuine especially when they start of with a biased title.
His interview on Rogan is expansive. I find when people attempt to counter his claims they go off track instead of being specific to what he said.
Anyways, no doubt he is very knowledgeable, no one has attempted to sue him like with his Fauci book. That's pretty telling. And again I don't see anyone attempting to debate him with good faith.
@@NonFlyiingDutchman in the field refers to something that is never supposed to be done (as was learned coming out of ww2).
Clinical trials are the compromise of getting volunteers who consent (in the field does not do this as evidenced by Vax mandates and there being no honest informing by the news) and its a small representative group.
Would be nice to have Shiva vs Kennedy, now that would blow the roof off the house.
It's quite a relief to take a break from twitter and listen to a discussion among highly intelligent and knowledgeable people with no interjections by people who have no idea what they are talking about and yet are firmly convinced that they know better about subjects that they have no expertise in. Thank you!
Agree 100% Couldn't say it better. Long - time listener back to January 2020. Science is imperfect because it's done by very imperfect humans. I listen to scientists explain science (just like I listen to folks like Preet Barara - Cafe Insider, and Michael Proko, Kate Shaw, etc. to explain all the legal news) that is literally sprinkled in our daily news
Is it not shocking to anyone listening that with such a distinguished panel not one person offered up a paper to support their claim or deny another? It was literally two hours of finger waving and well, just because. How about a real conversation with opposing views rather than stoking each other without any pushback. Successful smear job but bring some substance. This should have produced a better product.
@@kickinsnarehat Dan Wilson did a whole episode of Debunk the Funk on RFKs loonyness complete with papers references and graphs, watch that if you want specifics.
@@danterosati that was a dumpster fire of excrement, put forth is disgustingly condescending and arrogant manner
@@kickinsnarehat sorry that you were looking for spoon feeding and no body fed you INR . The only people who fall for RFK jr VS are people who can’t think for themselves . If people actually looked up what he says not one person would be dumb enough to fall for his BS.
Take every single thing they said and there are papers out there to support it and debunk the clown as well . Dr Offit sub stack actually lists 18 studies that show no difference in health problems in vaccinated vs unvaccinated . Also list 6 or 7 studies on ethyl mercury .
The clown also was trying to sell a joke that Spanish flu was caused by vaccine .
They cannot claim adverse reactiona being rare because most are never noticed. There is no tracking of such effects.
Lol says who ? Why are you lying ?
There are 18 large studies that show no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated in any significant health issues except that the vaccinated have a lower incidence of illnesses they have been vaccinated against
Also there are post marketing phase 4 studies as well .
Just because you are impressed by a liar RFK jr does not mean you have to sink to that clowns level
There are studies showing links between young males and myocarditis in covid “vaccines” this was in 2021-2022 back when I read them. I’ve gotten sick of reading dozens of studies because no one wants to listen or also read and discuss then they prefer to just listen to some corrupt government official or doctor lie on tv
Did you even watch the video? Tracking of adverse effects happens continuously from the moment the vaccine is first used and it never stops. If adverse effects were not rare it would be impossible for the monitoring to fail to detect it in a very short time.
On cool a house, add to the suggestions the use of a dehumidifier. A dry heat allows more skin evaporation than a humid heat. You can't change the humidity outside, but you can try to make to room's air a little drier.
Wrong, dry air think winter on the north dries your mucus membranes restricting your natural fauna made to attack viruses.
id love for you to reach out to rogan and RFK jr to organise a sit down or interview and just have a friendly hashing out of ideas, i initially saw Joes interview with RFK jr, at that time being 32 years old the idea that vaccines cause autism was not believable to me and i would often joke about it (the same way i would with flat earthers etc that's how ridiculous i thought it was) but after the interview the most convincing thing was RFK jr talking about how he had been invited to debate several virologists and immunisation specialists and every time they would pull out at the last minute. after the interview the smear campaign and the refusal to even debate RFK jr by people like hotez who were instead all to happy to attack joe and RFK from the shadows really put doubt in my mind. as great as it is using your expert knowledge to debunk a lot of the anti vax rhetoric i feel what is needed is a direct debate / exchanging of ideas so we can get to the bottom of it and move forward with solutions to any issues. the argument of "we don't want to give a platform to these ideas" is ridiculous, because the anti vax movement used to be VERY fringe and during the pandemic it grew massively and i can tell you what changed and caused it : THE SILENCING OF DISCERNING VIEWS. its the Streisand effect in full display, i wish you all the best :)
Well stated. I've followed a similar path myself. I think many of us have. Strong arm tactics and sneer campaigns really tend to backfire, where people like RFK Jr are supposedly too misinformed to even converse with or debate directly, only casts doubt on THEM, not him, imo. And a lot of it.
RIch's opening comment was quite thoughtful. As is usual for him :)
It seems understandable that people would be concerned about radiation emitted from cell phones given the extended and close exposure.
I remember in the 90’s it was in the news a lot about a link between police radar guns and testicular cancer because police would rest their guns in their laps. Perhaps any link there was disproven. And I don’t know how EM radiation from radar gun compares to EM radiation from a cell phone.
Just saying, doesn’t seem so off the wall that people would wonder about health effects from any EM radiation.
I do know about non-ionizing radiation (my PhD was in radar studies) the power levels associated with cell phones (mobile phones) is too low to be of concern. The frequencies used for 4G, 5G etc have previously been used by the military and for aviation in general, at must higher power levels, for decades.
I get headaches when input the cell phone next to my head. I always talk on speaker phone and hold the phone away f try on my head
Excellent!! I’ve been waiting for this!!! Love Dr. Wilson!
If I wanted to listen to just a few minutes of this two hour long epitaph and just hear something that backs up this animal jumping theory that almost nobody believes right now which minute would I go to on this video?
@@jazzforpeace
so how dishonest it would be to ignore all the evidence and pick one thing that is extremely unlikely to be a causative link ?
1: what a coincidence the lab to search corona viruses was built in an area where the corona virus is likely to be found but still in a city large enough where they could get virologists to work .
2: market is not even the 10 most crowded place in Wuhan . So why the earliest 172 cases were not located in more crowded area ( which would be more consistent with lab leak )
3: why were early cases not located in areas where lab people lived ?
4: why were all early cases both market related and market unrelated were located in the market ?
5: which lineage was lab leaked ? Lineage A or lineage. - B ( since there were two lineages at the very start )
6: two lineages is very consistent with natural ( zoonotic infection )
7 none of the lab personnel tested positive for COVID
8 none of the bats in lab tested positive for COVID
9 WIV did not have SARS-COV-2 virus as they tried to publish all they had .
10: the nearest match WIV had was 96.2 % match and the best oft the best virologist will need 99.7% match most will need 99.9% match in 30k nucleotide virus .
@@jazzforpeace forget it when you dont care about facts it’s not going to work for you.
@@Sceince01 LOL! There you go again.... Exactly WHICH fact(s) is it that you are claiming I don't care about?
@@jazzforpeace if you did why would you want to listen to a minute of it ?
Also did you see the reply where I posted 20 points for you ponder upon .
Bullshit Asymmetry Principle: The amount of energy or time needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than needed to produce it. Therefore, anyone debating RFK JR will have to work at least 10x as hard to refute any of his talking points.
No, you need a moderator in a debate who immediately stops someone when they start moving goalposts or bring up something new. It's the Gish gallop that is the main problem.
I have been asking simple and respectful questions here for over a month, and been ignored by this panel.
I try to listen to varying opinions as I am not too haughty to believe I have all the answers..but this panel has defended nothing and convinced me of nothing. In fact, they really did a disservice to their position by trying to discredit the man as if he were an idiot, which he clearly is not.
Guess what panel? Most people do not have degrees in the medical field. This is why we put our trust in medical authorities...hoping they wont steer us wrong. There have been many doctors and scientists who do not agree with how this was handled - do they not have the same educations? What makes the people here so much better informed?
I will continue my search for answers elsewhere. Sorry panel. I really tried to give you a chance but you did nothing more than try to make people feel like idiots for not being as enlightened as all of you apparently are.
I hear him raising valid questions which is what science is about.
Repeating proven lies over and over is not what science is about.
@@fralanasko2900 what proven lies has he repeated?
Repeating proven lies is what the anti Vax movement does. And I see you are suckled intro the anti Vax cult. God forbid you ever get sick ( from anything) and will need medical assistance, as no doubt you don't trust medical qualified doctors no more, instead getting your information from biased, skewed, often blatent wrong corrupt online frauds
I still don't understand how it makes logical sense to not test against a control. I understand that patients need care in some regard, but we aren't isolating issues when we compare new vaccine vs old vaccine instead of new vaccine vs old vaccine vs control groups. Just because the previous study determined the vaccine to be safe and effective, that doesn't mean you shouldn't include a control group. Also, just because the CDC says a placebo isn't saline doesn't mean you should listen to them. How does that give your study any merit? If the CDC said you can use sriracha as a placebo would you? How can you have a study without a real control group? There are so many variables you guys seem to ignore for convenience sake by not using an actual control group. When you roll it out to the general population don't even pretend that you can identify adverse effects of a vaccine accurately in such a large population. How would a doctor identify a patients issue as a side effect from a vaccine so that it could be included in a study? The answer is they don't. I only watched the first 25 minutes and i plan to watch the rest because there are probably way more questions that need to be asked of you.
I'm not trying to come off as confrontational btw I jsut don't understand a study can be performed without a true control group.
Why hasn't RFK been disbarred for lying?
Because then every lawyer would have to be disbarred. His lying doesn't reach criminal levels, yet.
He exposed faucci on his recent book, had he been lying they would have sued him dont you think. I cant believe none of you think about that. Smh
You don't believe me. And there are those of us, who don't believe in you.🙃
Also, the immune compromise of pregnancy bothers me because this definition keeps changing based on convenience. The immune down regulation is well known as being necessary to carry a fetus/baby without the immune system attacking the child. And this is a rationale for giving immunizations to pregnant women, yet the same immunocompromise is not recognized by most physicians when it comes to Paxlovid. How convenient that when something is expensive or politically inconvenient, suddenly only chemotherapy and AIDS qualify as enough immunocompromise for treatment. What bull crap. Obesity also compromises immunity, and we saw the results of this in the death rates early on in Covid, yet despite the obvious mortality risk is somehow not enough to qualify a person for treatment. Seems like cruel indifference to the sanctity of human life to me to change definitions like this.
First, excellent episode, though a little too cautious for me. One nit: the JWST images have been re-evaluated and found to be much younger fwiw. They were a rather over-excited response to the very first single hour (I think) exposure that was released. Drs Hossenfelder, O'Dowd or Collier probably have a good recent explanation somewhere on this platform.
"I debate peers. All others, I educate."
“We do this for free”
And immediately the guy grabs his nose…If the pharma companies really cared about our health, they wouldn’t rely on the VEARS system of self reporting, and would invest their own money into following up with patients rather than relying on the people to submit their own reports.
Dan Wilson isn't doing it for free: he's employed by a company that manufactures vaccines. Have you ever heard him admit this in any videos? He's not a medical doctor, either, by the way.
@@owenorders5202 thanks for the info!!
Narrator: he did not, in fact, edit it out.
You all should welcome him on to speak about all these
Answer me why the cv19 mrna vaxx are given to pregnant women and children.
to protect them against severe symptoms of covid 19 infection.
@@NonFlyiingDutchman Amazing how far that goalpost moved since December 2020, from safe and effective all the way down to severe symptoms.
Hey that's why people still get smallpox right? . Because the vaccine only protected against severe symptoms right?
@@MessiahNonEst show us with citations and references exactly what the goalposts were in December 2020 so we can judge if there's been a change
@@NonFlyiingDutchman "to prevent clinical disease, to prevent symptomatic disease"
Dr "i am science" fauci
26/10/2020.
Not "severe symptoms" but clinical disease and symptomatic disease......"severe symptoms" are but the goalpost dr "i am science" fauci and the rest of "science" moved.
But hey at least your comment now constitutes gaslighting, you never being one to not use a fallacy you prove one thing for sure..... The man you ain't.
@@NonFlyiingDutchman "citations and references" @philo3479 was 100% correct..... You argue just like a typical left of Stalin lefty....... Citations and references from the guy who has steadfastly refused to provide citations and references when requested to do so.
They say laughter is the best medicine....... I've never felt healthier that conversing with you and old science superstar Mr "balls of combustion" @Sithwolf.
Regarding the claim that the first vaccines were tested. Are you seriously going to say that whatever tests were done in the 60’s should satisfy the safety protocols of today? That is a weak argument. 🤦🏾♀️
So we shouldn't have used the smallpox vaccine to eradicate smallpox? Was it a mistake?
who made that argument?
Also, did you see the "safety studies" that they link to? None of them are safety studies
Thanks for your time. I've seen everyone on the panel on YT helping inform us. HOWEVER, plese be careful to stay on track. When everyone lists FACTS, the effect is very good--gives clear counter points to the RFK Jr. points. But, snark about WHY someone says something, or they are a lawyer, or make money, or live somewhere is distracting and slips into the very problem we would like the avoid. When/if issues come up where facts are not known, like lab leaks, just say nothing. Scientists like you all have an important role, but so do politicians and lawyers. Stay on track and call out exactly where those who jump tracks.
they counter nothing. They just claim "we are the science, not you" instead if actually being factual.
Yep! That’s where the facts gets muddled up with opinions and emotion’s… No wonder the population is so confused and don’t trust the mass media message’s about the vaccines!
The fact that they're unwilling to have RFKjr in the discussion just means their "science" cannot withstand what his responses would be
@@residentgrey You didn't watch anything.
@@ausis6214 Except everything.
Wilson claims double blind placebo needs to be unblinded because it’s ethical. But I would argue unblinding the placebo is unethical. 15:00.
So the “complexity “ Wilson refers to is that Wilson’s personal “ethical” views that unblinding is ethical proves RFK’s claim is false and thus debunked…
… when in FACT the placebo is indeed unblinded making RFK’s claim true by FACTS. Something Wilson’s argument lacks.
What a diverse and objective group of people we have here! Congratulation on your objectivity, I see that each angle of this issue is properly covered with integrity! 🤣🤣🤣
What was diverse about them? They were all on the same side of the debate.
Yes, they are diverse about the facts. Only the uneducated would promote the Propaganda of RFK Jr.
@@nancychandler3673 and yet many educated people are questioning the "facts" being presented by the mainstream narrative on vaccines. I guess that is your thought terminating phrase of the day. It implies that your kind of "educated" don't think very much.
Plz name one study .... not just saying there are many studies many studies
"Frequency of true adverse reactions to measles-mumps-rubella vaccine. A double-blind placebo-controlled trial in twins"
there's also the Pfizer covid 19 vaccine study that can be seen online - placebo controlled against saline
The main problem in the US is degradation of education. A high school graduate in the US has hardly any idea about science and many of them cannot even write in their own language. It is hard to expect these people to understand anything other than sex, guns, and entertainment. And people in higher education are also contributing to this trend by lowering standards to protect their employment. It is somewhat interesting that they are now the ones pretending to be surprised by ignorance of the population.
28:15 pretty interesting body language on this part. If these side effects are so rare how come I know so many ppl who got side effects with the covid vax. My community of OC CA kept excellent public statistics and in the first two years of the pandemic just 2 children died 'with' (other complications) covid in a population of 2 million. Why did you all mandate an EUA drug to children who simply did not need a vax for covid? I know of no school age kids who had any problem with covid, yet you shoot them up with an untested novel drug and delivery system. Now with what you would call statistically insignificant cases of myocarditis, among other things, in these kids my guess is you are losing more kids since you are likely saving none.
The only way to debate RFKJr on this topic is to do it in a discovery process like they do in court. He has to provide the study or studies that he bases one of his claims on ahead of time to the scientist he is debating, then they debate that study/studies without venturing off into meta conversations about blah-blah-blah & without bringing in MORE studies that weren't provided in the discovery process, & you stay on point until either the scientist admits that the study/studies are wrong, or RFKJr admits that he doesn't know WTH he's talking about.
RFKjr will never admit he's wrong, it's been pointed out to him so many times but he just never acknowledges it. Case in point, his claim that no vaccines studies are placebo-controlled against saline - read the study for Pfizers covid vaccine which is available online and you'll see in the methods section that it's placebo-controlled against saline. It's unequivocally clear he's lying but he never backs down and just keeps repeating the lie.
Keep dreaming. The debate will never happens. The industry knows that the peer review process of approval isn’t large(comprehensive) enough in many drugs on the market.
Money is the decisive factor here.
@@radwonderland1435 Look at you just continue to lie, over and over and over.
@@jaykanta4326 he has no shame . He now knows that there are 18 studies showing no difference in long term effects .
Like Neil Dr Grasse Tyson said “ you can use logic / reason to get one out of an argument who did not use logic / reason to get into one “ .
Just like RFK jr has been comprehensively proven to be lying with studies yet it did not change the minds of the dumb who fell for his lies in the first place .
Can you imagine any body with even an iota of common sense falling for that clown’s lies ?
You mean a scientist like Peter Hotez? Oh, that's right, Hotez won't debate RFK Jr for any amount of money.
Thank you so much for this episode, and for introducing me to Debunk the Funk.
To get any questions/accusations of “conflict of interests” out of the way - it would be good to have each of the panelists provide a disclaimer/full-disclosure of where they get their funding/salaries/income from - if that is from any pharmaceutical companies or grants from such. Thank you all for you sharing your collective expertise and I think you, as a group, would be able to handle RFK during a long-form discussion. 💪
One would think the 6 of them COULD debate RFK Jr. Unless they are afraid to.
You know RFKjr makes money from Children's Health Defence, a notorious antivaxx organisation that he chairs, and from suing vaccine manufacturers. Do you see any 'conflicts of interest' there?
@@beckyjohnson5057Are you a child or adult? You don't ask a Tax Analyst to debate a Wal-Mart cashier on Corporate tax returns.
You don't ask a Car mechanic to debate a barber on car emissions.
You don't ask a soccer coach to debate a farmer about the weakness of man marking in modern soccer...
But you DO demand PhDs in Virology, with YEARS of experience, YEARS of research, YEARS of field specific learning....to debate a freaking Politician?!?!
Why? Why do you call a tax Analyst over a Walmart cashier when you have questions concerning your individual tax return?
Why do you bring your vehicle to a mechanic? Why not have the barber work on your fuel pump?
As a manager of a football club I assume you wouldn't hire a learned, experienced football coach....you rather hire the farmer because he told you there is a multi layered conspiracy concerning modern football tactics and only going back to conservative man marking from the 1990ies can guarantee a win....
You people have a strange way of choosing WHO you listen too concerning scientific issues.
Why would you listen to a freaking preacher concerning evolutionary theory? Why would anyone listen to a politician paid by fossil fuel companies when it comes to climate change? Why would YOU listen to a politician without ANY training, field or lab research, no accolades, no specific training of PhD in virology when it comes to vaccination¿???!?!?!¿
@@RaydensherajA-FUCKING-MEN!! Very well said.
@@NonFlyiingDutchman A Lawyer who sues vaccine manufacturers while providing defence for children injured by those vaccines manufacturers...... Can you not see the flaw in you strawman.
RFK the Lawyer doing what Lawyers do.
"Over 90% of people who died of Covid were unvaccinated" - does that include the time period before the vaccine existed? And if the vaccine caused deaths but they're not acknowledged, how would you know the relative survival rate? Don't these questions seem important to the conversation?
Yes of course it includes counting before the jabs. Added to that are those who had 1 jab or 2 weeks before second. And the most manipulatable number being where the jab status "could not" be confirmed. These were also added to the unjabbed tally. Disgusting manipulation of the data. Should be criminal.
@@philo3479 Gov. Ron DeSantis, July 2021 “If you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero. If you look at the people that are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. And so these vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”
@@markrobinowitz8473 Another politician parroting the lies told to him by the vax scientism cult. Your point is?
Great episode! I love to see Dan Wilson on team TWiV❤
Hehe the return of the science😊
Love it.
It is good to see scientists actively responding to that podcast episode.
Agreed this show had to deal with political interference over COVID-19 from 2020-2022.
where is the science?