KOI POND**SUDDEN RAISED Ph LEVELS BUT WHY AND WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT IT🤔😒.**
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- This week I'm struggling with the Raised pH issues in my Pond. I carry out a number of tests to determine where the High Ph is coming from and why its suddenly raised to a point that the fish are affected.
I need to get it back to where it was so I can continue with plans to make changes in the pond...😉
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Since youve taken the covers off your pond is now getting full UV from the direct sunlight this makes the alge start to grow and as the temps start to rise your bacteria colony is now growing again both alge and bacteria release co2 in return this will affect the ph so add more oxygen into the water and that should help a fair bit 😊👍
I have a mesh bag of lithaqua in bottom of my shower this helps to keep ph stable. Could try this in your multi bay
During bright sunlight carbon dioxide dissolved in the water is used up. The dissolved CO2 usually forms a weak carbonic acid with a PH about 5 to 6, if it is removed PH of the water rises.
In the summer the ph changes as you take covers off etc it affects the eco systems. Always measure your ph at the same time.of day it will.be at its highest generally around 7pm.ish as the temperature changes. Your bio may not be working again properly after it harsh winter, add some bio booster and to buffer the ph as your filter gets itself in good condition again use white vinegar to lower your ph.
Think you right mate 👍🏻 I luckily not had any worries with ph
Try taking a water sample after the water purification system then leave it in an area void of sunlight to see if the light levels have any bearing.
Its spring. Microbial and plant growth and decomposition As decomposition happens it makes your water more acidic. In spring the growth is consuming more of your buffer minerals thus allowing PH to rise.
Great insight sir,, defenetly makes you think,, cheers Terry,
Every day is a school day...😉👍
Great update andy
Thank you..😊👍
Nice update Andy can’t wait to see what you have planned.
I have found this it may help.
Sunlight can change the pH of water through a process called photolysis. For example, photosynthesis uses sunlight to form glucose and oxygen from carbon dioxide and water. The higher the rate of photosynthesis, the more carbon dioxide is consumed, which increases the pH. The pH of water is highest in the middle of the afternoon and lowest just before sunrise
Hiya, thanks for that. I'm using the large umbrella to shade as much of the pond as I can. Other feedback I'm getting from other local ponds is samrnissues with the water Ph increasing after its been outnof the tap for a few hours.. Very annoying. 🤔😊
Oh I get ya mate 😉😉 hopefully you've got the ph going in the right direction now 🤞
😉😁
Morning Andy, I new a guy who kept koi for over 40 years, (unfortunately hes passed now and i inherited a few of his prize koi) he vowed he'd never do a water change at the weekends as he was adamant the water companies in Norfolk added more chemicals at the weekends to compensate for them not being there etc 🤔
Keep up the good work, love the channel! Take care bud 👍
Hiya, glad your enjoying the channel..😉👍. Thanks for those comments. I wonder if that guy had a point. It's weired though that the water tests neutral out of the tap, then increases as it sits in the atmosphere...🤔🤔
in the Philippines, we use oyster shells to bring up ph. tap water here is normally acidic
Hiya, thank you for your comments. I have just taken out the bit of Oyster shell I have in the filter system to see I'd it stop the increase in Ph.. 🤔😉👍
Try envii pond equaliser
Hello, I love watching your videos - very entertaining. As for your PH - acid (or in your case alkaline) rain?? Catch some rain water and test it like you do with your tap water.
Hiya, glad your enjoying the videos.. I tested the rain water that came in at just over 7, so bring on the rain..😄😄😊👍
I've been looking into crushed oyster shell's and from what I've found that they actually raise the ph
I believe you are right. We had someone on from the Philippines who said they used it to raise their Ph, so I've taken in out...😊👍
It’s something the water companies are putting in the water when the outside air temperature rises. That’s my guess.
I think your might be right..
I work for the water company... This isn't true however you can request a water check. Living in Stoke you probably come under United Utilities so give them a bell and someone will come and take a sample for testing.
My opinion as a koi keeper of 20+ years; keep your pond as humanly natural as possible. Plenty of plants will balance out the ph and act as a natural buffer so you don't have to waste money dumping kh buffer in each year. Add plenty of activated carbon to the final of the filter (this is what happens at your local water treatment plants). Ignore the nonsense of not putting stones/gravel in your pond... it massively increases the surface area for biological filtration and outweighs the negative issues of having it. Most koi keepers have two or three times the amount of fish they should have and overfeed them too. Ph will naturally fluctuate daily, especially with the weather we've had the last month. You go to the koi store and all they'll do is sell you expensive 'cures'. If your pond is established it should be as natural as the ponds and lakes in your local park.
Hi John. I wasn’t implying that the water companies were doing a bad thing. My gut feeling is they do what the have to do to keep the water safe for us to consume and sometimes that can be a bad thing for us fish keepers
@@garymiles8095 Hi Gary. I totally get it mate, people often think all sorts goes into drinking water, mainly because of the media, but the truth is not a lot does. I think the biggest negative as far as fish keeping is concerned is the chlorine but a decent fish keeper knows to dechlorinate anyway. I honestly believe ph, kh, nitrate and nitrite problems in koi/fish ponds come from under filtration, over feeding and a real lack of plants and natural filtration through surface area. No one takes pollution or a lack of oxygen into account either which is a massive cause of oh fluctuations. People these days want crystal clear, overstocked, overfed ponds without issues and get advised but the koi stores folks to buy all kinds of chemicals and electrical means of problem resolution. The ponds in Japan and Israel don't have any of the fancy tech sold in the stores over here. Natural is the way forward.
i heard that adding bactierien making sure they are healty the ph wil go down
Hi bud..I use to have the same issues every May.now I put salt in ..my issue was the sudden change in temp..bacteria starts to come alive..
I put in pool calcium hardess Increaser. That wiill buffer the low end ph and bring it back towards neutral. I use 1lb per 1000 gallon
You have to do it early in the morning. When ph is at the lowest
Co2 levels. That's it. Your filters are getting reestablished. In darkness algae and bacteria release co2 at night which drives oxygen levels down which drives ph down then in daylight you get the reverse. So you want more oxygen in at night time to avoid a drastic change
I had this a couple of weeks ago. My ph is a steady 8.2 usually, but it was coming out a dark purple.
I wish I could tell you how it went back to normal, but it did, by itself after a couple of days.
Also, be aware of false results on the high range pH tests.
Hiya, thanks for that. I've even brought another Ph test kit to compare but both showed same results...🤨😊
Increased organic load with the temperature moving up, increased feeding causing more Fish detritus also increasing PH, I have been in the same position you have, That bay filter ain’t doing it, I tried all the tweaks and still had the same problems, in the end replaced the multi bay with a Drum filter and fluid bed and never looked back, big upheaval but glad I did it now 👍
I've looked at the drum but just haven't got those funds to do it...🤔
I was in the same boat trying to upgrade my system for my new pond tbh but the balding reefer has been such a big help he is letting me set up a payment plan on a filter system so I can pay over the space of a few months then get the system delivered such a massive help when you can't afford to spend hundreds a month on your pond :)
My ph range 8 - 8.4. Down south we have wel'ard water, 😂
been monitoring it daily too it was worrying me a little as well.
From the research I have done Too many reasons too list.
However from what I have learnt, maintaining a higher KH will help to buffer the ph, reducing the swings.
i think it is better to be on the alkaline side of the scale, If you had a very low KH you have an increased risk of larger ph swings 😅 I think the acidic side of the scale is more dangerous.
Stability is what you are looking for.
Really Good points there... cheers 👍
My water comes out the tap at around 7-7.5, once its sat in bucket for 24hrs its tests at around 8-8.5, my pond runs at around 8.5 anyways so not awful for me, hope everything sorts its self out for u mate, FOK!
I would suggest that you question your water supplier. ?
I think your right...😉👍
Hi Andy have tried a different test kit
Yes, and took a water sample to my Koi dealer for him to double check as well...😉👍
Great, very interesting videos. I keep Neocaridina shrimp , which I know are on a very small scale compared to you, but my water can react quicker because of this. I'd have a look at your Kh before and after the dechlorinater A higher KH level means the water will be able to resist greater fluctuations in hydrogen and hydroxyl ions without causing pH swings. I use coral sand in my water storage butt, its softer than the shells and dissolves at a steady rate according to the ph, the higher the ph the faster it dissolves .
PS I keep my water with a high KH and GH to aid molting and keep the shrimps shells in good condition and colour . Ph in my storage butt never moves, but I still keep a little bag of coral sand (its not really sand more coral bits 10mm to 15mm) in each of my 9 tanks
I'll try that test for Kh before and after the carbon filters..cheers 😉 👍
I'm on trickle in and out Andy. Mine has been 8.2 for weeks and weeks . I'm in Belfast
Nice thought-provoking video Andy 👍
That's sure is a strange one 🤔
Could it possibly be the Sky Pond heating up the water enough that it would raise the PH?
Hope you're well.
Hiya, ive tested the temps differences in the Skypond to the pond and found there was a .5 difference...
@@KoiPondLifestyle Interesting 🤔
Hi Andy. I live in Weston coyney. My PH has risen this year. If you find the answers to our problems in Stoke please let us all know. Cheers keep up the good work.
Hiya, glad your enjoying the videos. If I get any info, you will be the next to know..😉👍
Let me know too lol
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Im also in stoke iv got ph of over 8 too a couple of my fish aint enjoying it
Thanks for that. I've stopped feeding any more water in for the time being if ts just going to keep ramping up the Ph...🤨
@KoiPondLifestyle just to let you know did no water change and the ph dropped by its self to 7.6 over the last 24 hours unfortunately had to change a bit of water tonight due high ammonia hopefully doesn't raise it again
Hi Andy having the same issue with wessex water. Ph out the 7.6 left 14hrs the same. Pond ph 8.5 to 9. Turned the extra air off to see if I was degassing co2 no effect. The only thing I can put it down to is rapid algae growth which can increase ph. My water is still clear without the use of a uv. Head scratching, fish not happy either. So time being I'm water changing to try and keep on top of it.
That sounds like we are in exactly the same place... I stopped trickling in for a few days and the Ph came down a little. Turned it back on and the Ph shot back up again.. so turned it back off...🤔👍
My ph out of the tap 7.6 which is lower so me trickling in is trying to rebalanced the pond. You can get colombo ph min which will lower ph. Just watch out for any fin rot or white spot because of the koi sulking. Large ph changes can be stressful to the koi.
phosphates ? the time of year for blanket weed
Ps why? Sunlight, algae, fish will be the why
The reason why your tap water is lower than the water 24 hours being out in the bucket is because the water company put CO2 in tap water. When the CO2 is released from the tap water the pH rises causing your pond pH to rise.
Another thing you haven't considered is that oyster shells are good for raising the kh of your pond but it also raises the pH in soil and water.
If you would like some suggestions on how to lower pH over time, you could use either peat moss or natural driftwood.
I'm currently new at keeping fish, I currently have 12 shubunkin goldfish that I bought 1 month ago. Hope the advice helps you with your pond.
Hiya, welcome to pond keeping, where every day is a school day.. Thanks for that feedback.. Things to look into..🤔😉👍
@@KoiPondLifestyle Have you looked into putting peat moss or driftwood into your filter?
Hi Andy you could just do water changes straight from your tap and bypass your carbon filter.
This will not harm your fish. Have your hose on a spray setting too reduce any potential chlorine
Hiya, but I got the same results from the tap as through the carbon filter... So I've turned the tap off for the time being..😊👍
Shouldn't there be more reports on KOI feeding behaviour and swimming? None of us have such kits because the habit of always observing and judging them is a major principle for beginners and advanced practitioners alike.
Mate this time of year as the filters build up it can go always up down on the ph but will sort its self if you up the kh a it it will help as well keep that a little high and it should sort its self in a week maybe two. In the news down hear 30 miles down the road in Brixham you could have put Cryptosporidium in your pond from the tap now that would have pissed me right off and not dun the fish any good as well i dont know anyone down there but must be some koi keepers been hit i cant even think where you would start to get that out the pond system. This is a nasty bug birds and all sorts pick it up and carry it all over the place they could have a job on there hands getting rid of it down hear
Hiya, thanks for that. Considering calling the water company to find out what they know. 🤔🤔
Get a digital hydroponic ph ec meter mate in valuable and do you have fresh de clorinated water going in on trickle ?
Commented before video finished mate i apologise , I think you need to do more tests on the tap water with a digital one mate
And id have a filter clean of matting
I'm down the road in tean, my PH has risen and all my fish are sulking. They were perfect the other day. Perhaps it's something to do with all the rain we had.
Hiya, I tested the rain water which was neutralish 7.2. Listening to all the feedback, it sounds like the water company may have increased something into the water... 🤔☹🤨
That would make sense, I topped up a few inches the other day.
last week-end mine went from 7.5 to 8 but no issues. but i thought 8 was,nt life threatening? im S-o-T too
Hiya, apparently not life threatening but swings in Ph are never a good thing for the fish..
My ph has been 9 for ages. Decided to stop buffering my kh with bicarb. My tap water is ph 7 kh 2 so just going to try leave it n see what happens but keep an eye on the ph/kh just incase. I'd expect the ph will drop which is good just hope the kh stays at 2 with weekly water changes
Same I have a ph of 9 and I’m led to believe it is okay, fish don’t like extreme changes in ph
@@killerbites3963 yes i've researched and found that between 6.5 n 9 is fine for koi as long as its stable. Without bicarb im hoping that my ph will drop to 7/8
I think it might be air pollution ive heard of loads of people with high pH and iam suffering same problem in Liverpool its seems pretty wide spread at the moment
I don't have oyster shells or anything else on my pond just straight to easy pod and return
Thanks for that. Just had someone on from the Philippines who said they use Oyster shells to raise their Ph. So I've removed them from my filter system and will monitor.. 😉👍🤔
My urine is about 7.1 in colour on a Sunday morning after a Friday and Saturday night out 😊
😄😄. No tested my piss yet... Can't knock it till you've tried it..😊😄👍
@@KoiPondLifestyle Well if you do just hope the results doesn't show that your piss levels when tested doesn't look the same colour, that when you have with high nitrite levels within your pond 😊👍
I have heard that a Koi keeper years ago, used to pee in his filter in spring to kick the filters in.. 😳 😅 Not sure what the neighbours would have thought...😄😄
The same happened to me in Plymouth. Pond normally about 7.5, but saw fish were unhappy and the pH was nearly 9. Did a small water change and two days later it had dropped to 7. No idea what caused it or fixed it 🤷♂️
Hiya, that's where I'm going to struggle with my tap water increasing its Ph after its out of the tap. I could do.with a rain storm as the rain round here is neutral..👍🤔
@@KoiPondLifestyle Makes you wonder what the water company is adding to the water. I remember now that when you tested the floss, you thought it was the floss, but again it was the water. Loved to know the answer.
Last video you changed the water filter and changed one around ?
Well spotted. That's why I tested the water before and after the filter...😉👍
interesting..my ph is always between 7.4 and 7.7 using Salifert. Its now nearly 8.5. The fish dont seem to be troubled. None are gasping for air or seem to be struggling. Everything else is fine. Kh/Alk is around 5.5 which it always is. Tap water has a Ph of 7.4. Its scaring me tbh. I didnt have this happen last year. I always believed that 8.5 is almost deadly for the koi ? Did TWO water changes today...almost 50% in total. The test went down to about 8.0 and then an hour later its back to 8.5.....Ammonia and nitrite is ZERO and nitrate is minimal. I read about using vinegar but I also haven't got a clue how much to use. If you get to the bottom of this..let me know..please.
Hiya, thanks for the comments. If I get is sussed, you'll be the next to know...😉👍
What is the PH level in the filter system compared to the pond ? Is there a difference ?
Hiya, no difference..
Good to be working with a constant
Hi Andy, so if im understanding correctly, regardless if you take water from the tap or through the dechlorinator its the same PH as your pond?
If this is the case then water changes wont help in any shape of form as its the same going in as is already in the pond.
Have you tried phoning the water company as they would know what their PH is, at least this way youll know if its a problem of their making.
Hiya, the water from the tap only changes after its been left in the air for 24+hrs. Straight out of the tap is almost neutral..🤔👍
@@KoiPondLifestyle So i found this, which might explain your issue
Water (pure, pH = 7.0) can and does become more acidic (pH < 7.0) when left in contact with ambient air. The reason for this is that carbon dioxide in the air dissolves in water, and undergoes a reversible chemical reaction that produces carbonic acid, H2CO3:
H2O + CO2 H2CO3 H(+) + HCO3(-)
So, the more carbon dioxide in air there is, the more strongly acidic the water may become. And that can be a problem.
Hi
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Cheers
Hiya, where did you see me using Hydrochloric acid?
A few months ago, apik spray bottle, applying it to your airstones in your pond to unblock the air holes?
Thats a pink bottle!! Bloody typo's!!
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Thank you
What is your KH ? Greetings from the Netherlands
Rip its already in your video 9KH
🎉Hi Andy, I'm in Stoke on Trent Bentilee, my PH goes between 7/7.5 , hopefully you will find the answer your looking for, has the water board been doing any work in your area but there again it would show in your tap water(baffled)🤔. Gwen 🧓
Please keep your great vids coming always enjoyable and entertaining 😊. Gwen 🧓
Glad your enjoying the videos. Thanks for watching...😉👍