The Clone Wars Battle That Broke the Jedi Order
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The Battle of Jabiim in 22bby was one of the most disastrous engagements for the Jedi Order during the clone wars. Not only did they lose every strategic objective they had on the planet, the Order almost lost every jedi sent on this campaign. This early battle in the clone wars was a glaring warning that the Jedi Code was not sufficient enough for actual battlefields. A warning that too many Jedi learned after it was already too late.
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A Long Time Ago in a Galaxy Far, Far Away....
The Adventures of Omega "the Warrior" Fett
When Omega met me, she told the story of her four brothers, The Bad Batch and Echo. She recounted how The Path sent Asajj Ventress and Quinlan Vos to retrieve Grogu from Mount Tantiss before they were all transformed into Death Troopers. ~How she and Crosshair escaped with the help of Nala Se, but they were tasked with going back in for Grogu since they had been inside.
They found out Hunter, Wrecker, and Echo went in to rescue them but got caught. They were a force to be reckoned with because they were turned into mindless, evil war machines. She went on about how Quinlan and Asajj released the Zilo Beast, virtually annihilating the compound from the bottom up. She viewed it as "setting her brothers free."
She went on to tell how she was mortally wounded. Grogu was torn away from her as he was healing her. Being partially healed, she had a chance to survive, but she was still left to die by the Imperial Troopers and Dr. Royce Hemlock's henchmen. Fortunately, Asajj had a feeling they should go back. She heals, and a few years after she leaves The Path, she returns to the vastness of the Star Wars galaxy, traveling. First, landing on Ord Mantell and then to Batuu. On Ord Mantell, she spoke with Cid. Cid told her she had to hire a whole gang of Nikto to replace a few special people, including Omega. She showed me, explaining Cid gave her the white helmet on her wall when they started working for her.
While on a mission given to her by Hondo Ohnaka to retrieve a priceless artifact, she found her way to Jakuu. She helped Rey get her master, Unkar Plutt, to release her. Rey learns every combat skill known to the clones, including some flying lessons (claiming she was never that great, but her friend Hera taught her that "flying is a feeling") and some Asajj and Quinlan taught her. She avoided directly teaching Jedi powers and abilities but passed on the stories they told her. Omega bids her farewell before leaving with Sidon Ithano and Kix.
~ Boba Fett
As he starts each paragraph, the story plays out scenes with Omega at the forefront of her story, including some dialogue and a little more exposition than Boba's memory would entail.
I think another reason that isn't cited for why Jabiim became such a major theater of the early war is its location. Jabiim sat at the center of a relatively minor hyperspace lane known as the Salin Corridor. Why is this important? Well, because the Salin Corridor is the only hyperspace lane connecting the Tion Cluster (home of the Separatist capital of Raxus and unofficially dubbed the 'Foundry of the Confederacy' due to its heavy industry) and Hutt Space, which at this point in the war was neutral. But if the Republic managed to gain military access to Hutt Space and its hyperspace lanes (which, spoiler alert, they did) and Jabiim was held by Captain Gillmunn's Loyalists, the Republic would've been able to directly threaten the Tion Cluster. This meant that it was of the utmost importance for both the Republic and the Confederacy to take and hold Jabiim.
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“They aren’t war crimes if they win”
- This Arc trooper
I have said it before and I'll say it again. Jabiim has lived rent-free in my head since 2003. I'll never forget reading these issues in my library.
Same here
it was the first star wars comic I ever read as a kid, I will also never forget turning those pages for the first time lol
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Revan was an absolute badass. Disobeyed the Order's neutrality in the war, defeated the mandalorians, refused to answer for any accusation and managed to marry Bastila and remain in the Order after threatening to spread his heretical philosophy throughout the Galaxy.
What a Legend
His heretical philosophy that ended up being the salvation of the Jedi thanks to Luke Skywalker. Revan truly was the best, like staring into the heart of the Force itself
Meh, I read one of the books on him and found it to be disappointingly shallow and without any kind of satisfying conclusion... I mean who ends a story with a neverending inconclusive state??
Also there was very little about Revan himself so it just felt like a poster of a character that one was supposed to follow through the story
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That novel is a direct prequel to the Old Republic MMO game. Anyway, although the Revan novel is far from perfect, something I loved is how it contrasts Revan's true nature with the image everyone has of him. Both the inhabitants of the Galaxy (especially the Jedi and Sith born thousands of years after him) and Star Wars fans even consider Revan as an omnipotent being whose personality, physique, way of acting, mentality, purposes, etc. completely surpass the understanding of any mortal. However, Revan shows on different occasionsthat he is still a human being with an ordinary mind and behavior, doing completely mundane things like walking down the street as a simple passerby or going to the bathroom to wash his face. In fact, this excerpt from the book sums up perfectly Revan's struggle with his "legend" status:
"Revan. Jedi, hero, traitor, conqueror, villain, savior. He was all those things and more. He was a living legend, the embodiment of myth and folklore, a figure who transcended history. Yet all that looked back at him was an ordinary man who hadn't slept in three nights."
@@davinderc it goes on in the games man
I always found it weird how in comics we can clearly see repulsorcraft (for example, the boots of the commandos) have no trouble navigating Jabiim, while in Empire At War you can’t deploy anything to this planet that has so much as a jetpack.
Man, don't remind me that.....
Star Wars fans can't tell a difference between lore and gameplay mechanic, I swear.
You know what? I think no Star Wars videogame should be canon.
@@russianoverkill3715the OG battlefront 2 was awesome
@@russianoverkill3715 it’s only a mechanic for that one planet. Every other planet in the galaxy you aim to control has no such restrictions (beyond reinforcement cap) to what units can be deployed. So you usually end up conquering Jabiim with legions of troopers and some very awkward, lumbering heavy tanks. It’s a slog. Though that’s the point, I guess.
@@920utdoors9 it was awesome, yet its story makes no sense, how 501st was at every big battle at the same time? Why didn't we saw them in those battles in the movies? Why there are clones from other units in 501st in the campaign? Why Aayla Secura has two lightsabers? Why stop at Hoth battle? I love this game, but story just has so many plot holes.
Just want to say:
Rules of warfare and how you treat your foe are not inconsequential and are essential for putting down populist uprisings. You kill half the planet, then half of the remainder rises up. It's something a lot of people IRL don't understand and this has tragic consequences: when dealing with non-state and populist movements in general you can't just kill the bad guys and expect things to roll up, you have the occupation to figure out.
That being said: protocols for dealing with enemy wounded, rear areas for treatment and transportation of prisoners, and all of these things are figured out BEFORE the battle, and that was probably the biggest failing in the early war. The Jedi had those ideals but never had to consider the logistics of executing those ideas, so when they went into war they had now idea HOW to execute on their morality within the context of said war and expected it to just take care of itself - and that meant it was inevitable that survival would demand they jettison the ideals and just never bother to figure it out.
The Republic had no plan when going in. It was just go in, kill the Jabiimi rebels, and then somehow keep the peace and mine the resources.
It's very much like the very real 2001 invasion of Afghanistan and 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Seeing when this comic came out, I'd say that was the point.
@@walnzell9328, they may have also planned to use Jabiim as a staging ground to directly attack Raxus and the Confederate core in the Tion Cluster, as Jabiim sat on the only hyperspace lane between there and Hutt Space.
Loved the development Anakin got in the Jabiim battle, which turned him into the admirable Jedi general he was in his prime. Shame the CGI show didn't have an arc as epic and dark as Jabiim's
Umbara was pretty good but yeah, nothing comparable to Jabiim
CGI Anakin didn't had any development, from start to finish he was always the same diet ROTS Anakin.
I remember these comics. Jabiim was like WW1 added into the Star Wars Mythos. Mud, misery, rain and high causalities on both sides made it feel like a Star Wars version of the Battle of Passchendaele.
@@ezr3x, Mimban is another good example of this.
What’s the price of a mile?! Thousands of feet March to the beat it’s an army on the March!
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There's no easy answer. If the Jedi stayed in the mountains, meditating while atrocities were being committed, we would criticize them for that too. With great power comes great responsibilities.
It's also hard to combine governments oversight with the will of the force.
A good idea for content is to delve into what the Jedi should have actually done when war broke out. This channel is the best for such things.
Curiously, among the marks on the wall that can be found in the Obi-Wan show, you can find the names of Nejaa Halcion, Corran Horn's grandfather, and Roganda Ismaren, a dark Jedi who in Legends tried to conquer the galaxy with her son in the Yuuzhan Vong wars
Glad someone still remembers Corran Horn.
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I get why fans like him, but I have always found him as a too perfect self-insert of Micharl Stackpole. He's not like Rey, but it's kind of annoying how good at everything Corran is
I do remember these comics. It was interesting to see the ramifications of these events during the original trilogy era as well. I feel that any planet at all were to have an established underground railroad for force sensitives, it would have absolutely not been Jabiim.
And let's not forget how decades later, the Alliance to Restore the Republic would approach Gillmunn and his Loyalists, who had somehow survived the Clone Wars and were fighting a guerilla war against the Empire ever since, and they flat-out refused to join simply because Luke Skywalker was there, because to them, the name Skywalker was basically cursed because of Anakin's betrayal of them during the Clone Wars.
The Jedi order had stagnated so much by the time the Clone Wars began. Jabiim suffered because of it and typical politics.
This classic presentation of idealism meets real-world testing, which is the classic test of the line where meeting ideals is excessively costly.
Obi-wan: luke did i ever tell you about the battle of jabiim?
Luke: no.
Obi-wan: i thought not, it's not a story most jedi from my time would tell you.
Probably because he was among the very few that actually survived to tell the tale. And even he was considered KIA at one point during the battle.
@@occam7382 he was probably read the reports after he was rescued.
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389, either that, or Anakin told him about it.
@@occam7382 or Both
Star Wars republic run by Dark Horse was the peak of storytelling. And that was my fav arc.
When there is a long peace, many things are forgotten. The Jedi forgot how to be Jedi because of the long peace. That was the true brilliance early on for Papa Palpatine (sorry, not sorry....Robot Chicken....it got me....) even his earliest days of craving power, he knew that the long "peace" in the galaxy (as there never is/was true peace) would, indeed, "blind" the Jedi. They decided to bask (yet again) in the glow and glory of a rich republic that was at times, no more or less corrupt as the Empire under Palpatine. The Jedi are on the same coin, and over time, they are not always the opposite, despite using the light side of the force. The Dark Side was banished and hidden away, not just because the Jedi feared it, but they wanted to hoard it and use it when needed. And got so complacent, FORGOT where they put a lot of it.....Or, more to the point, the Sith were like Hydra in SHIELD, they grew within. The problem with spending too much time in the light, is you forget what the dark can and does do, to others. And you fear that darkness, you want to fight it, instead of balance it. The Jedi can be, just as evil in their own ways as the Sith. Extremists are extremists.
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Just reminded me that Alpha was almost in the CGI Clone Wars show. Apparently Lucas didn’t want nearly every main character’s name to start with the letter “A”. So they replaced him with Rex.
I personally think it was because they’d have to tone him down significantly for the show that kids would be watching. Lmao
_"I will come back and free you, Mom. I promise."_ ~Little Ani
I just disagree about it being an imperfect war. It was actually perfect, designed from the beginning to get rid of the Jedi.
GenerationTech, those comics aren't canon anymore, if they were, then Rex, Wolfe, and Gregor would've recognized the design of those Walkers in Rebels when the AT-AT Walkers were introduced, they were basically the same design..
At least Dooku sent a supply ship with assassin droids to help them out, compared to what the jedi sent.
Great vid GenTech, I wish the Battle of Jabiim was covered in greater detail.
If there's one battle I'm glad I didn't participate in it's the Battle of Jabiim. Instead, I went to Mimban, another mud infested hell hole.
I really wanted to see a flashback to the Battle of Jabiim in the Kenobi show. I also wanted to see the battle retold in the Clone Wars series. You definitely need to cover all of the events of the Dark Horse Clone Wars comics.
Awesome analysis.
The problem is; all those noble philosophies aren't worth anything if they are only viable in isolation.
That's like saying, "I'm a pacifist except in times of war" ; Anyone can be a pacifist in times of peace.
This reminds me of what an NPC in Elder Scrolls 4 says when you talk to him. He questions how many people are true believers of the Nine Divines and how it's easy to have faith when everything is fine. I forget his name off the top of my head but he lives in the Imperial City
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I’d love to see a video about the most valuable things in Star Wars.
Allen your videos are awesome.
Saw the title, instantly thought "Yup, that's gotta Jabiim".
Jedi always travel around the galaxy solving problems and conflicts, which includes local civil wars on different planets, if anything, Jedi are experienced for this, they did fought in the Stark hyperspace war several years prior to Clone Wars.
I knew before the video started that the battle was going to be about jabiim.
A video I would find cool would be a video covering the battle of Dalna from the high republic
Would you care to elaborate on that?
I honestly would say the Battle of the Glorks is what broke the Jedi Order. Recently watched a review on it on youtube.
I think it was a series of events and poor decisions. Things tend to be complicated when so many people are involved.
I wish The Clone Wars show actually covered this battle, as it was a key point in the original version of the war. However, I understand why they didn’t, as it was a little brutal for a kids show.
Don't wish, they would probably dumb it down, insert Ahsoka somewhere, make enemies rеtаrdеd, and Republic would win no matter what.
If a Jedi Knight’s official title was “Knight of the Republic’ doesn’t that imply some type of arrangement with the Republic for a legal status for authority to carry out the Republic’s law and enforce it?
I need that thumbnail image!
Jabim. Before I watch the video, I know what you're talking about.
Im hooked on porg roast
Imagine if this was in the Clone Wars it would have been lore change. Would it be during the outer rim seiges that is when the CIS was throwing everything at the Republic and would be Anakin using more of this dark side to fight the battle like because his men are dying left and right obi wan was believed to be died and added ashoka leaving not by his side. ❤
I absolutely loved Zule Xiss from the Jabiim arc. Always thought she and Anakin could have been good friends if she had lived.
I’d llike the Porkins platter😊
Checks and balances
Palpy : everything happened has I Had forseen
The Inquisitors should’ve brought in the Mudjumpers instead of Stormtroopers
Would you join the confederacy of independent sysyems or neo zeon les by Char
This shoukd have been an early arc in CW, this same planet turned into a wasteland by Vader decades later on the comics.
What I love about these videos is he makes it sound like it was a real battle. if you played this with no video, just audio, you'd think you were listening to a real event from WW2.
Not saying this is a bad thing. Not at all. you'd actually make history class more interesting. Lol
wow cool
"They were all victims of your war."
Welp the US military can yeet those Jabiim cause Star Wars stagnant. XD
The Jedi have been fooled once by the Sith during the time of Revan and that ultimately led to the First Jedi Purge by the Sith Triumvirate. So they thought that if they acted immediately unlike the last time, things will ended in their victory. But sadly, they've been fooled once again.
Also, the Separatists are right!
Which comic is this? The art is great.
Star wars republic comics
At-at’s already existed during the clone wars on another world?
Yep. Although these were only prototypes and weren't quite as built up as the AT-ATs we see during the Imperial era (though that's not saying much).
The battle of Jabiin was absolute crucible and bloodbath of a disaster for the Jedi order, that barely any of the Jedi fighting there wound survive to learn from. That they were in an era of total war and only by abandoning their outdated traditions and committing completely to the war, would they been able to prosecute the war to its fullest as competent generals.
Jabiim sounds to me like a combination of the Vietnam War being fought in the conditions of the Western Front of World War I.
This battle I feel bad for the jedi
The failure of the jedi comes from a prolonged time of peace and complacency rather than a code that cannot handle war. It was the complacency that led to the degradation of the orders ability to operate among the military and not just enforcers and ultimately. The jedi code is not in place for when it is easy to follow but as a guiding principle when it being tested. Hadctge code been followed sooner in the Galaxy alot of problems could have been prevented. If the jedi were truly neutral mediators and not just enforcement the issues that led to grievous and a number of outer rim issues could have been resolved. The war only revealed what was already, the order was ready for collapse.
You should make a series where you are a reporter In the Star Wars universe reporting on the “mining accident” on alderaan
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Honestly i thought it was siege of suculmi
So high and mighty, though much too blind to see. \m/
Is Pablo Hidalgo's job just doing easter eggs... Why couldn't he prevent continuity errors in the Kenobi show? What's that special thanks to Dave Filoni in the Kenobi show's credits, did he say you can have people fight between movies that haven't ever fought between movies for spectacle' sake? *cough* Grievous and Dooku *cough* The Story Group priorities are weird and make no sense.
Day 354 (so close to one year)
PLEASE DO MORE TACTICS AND STRUCTURES LIKE THE CIS NAVY STRUCTURE AND RANKS
So this campaign/battle is an allegory for WW1 and Vietnam.
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Yeah?
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So the SW verse has an Underground Railroad too... next we'll hear of the dozens of times Palpatine narrowly avoided assassination back in the height of the Empire with the most successful attempt being by one of his closest an fairly high ranking Moffs....
Kinda also figured you meant the battle you mentioned too. A battle that coulda been way less a 1-sided massacre an alot more a brutal an bloody stalemate or seesaw affair had the Jedi took the Force gloves off an started thinking tactically. Especially thinking of ways to sucker in Alto's best troops an tactics arranging traps an ambushes with the locals in clever ways to make him seriously reconsider the wave attacks an probably slow down the blitzing Alto used alot in this battle. I wonder maybe if some of the truly deadliest GAR forces an even powerful Jedi like Mace an Yoda been present would things been alot or very different with their unique abilities to suddenly turn regular troops into elites with Battle Meditation or a sensed shatterpoint thatd stop Stratus dead in his tracks. Bet they'd not be thrilled to get suddenly counter struck by waves of elite Arc or Clone Commandos an Alto suddenly turns round to see an Elite squad like Omega or Delta charging strait at him. Truth is probably was many things the GAR on site coulda probably done to least saved themselves if not turned the tables
Jedi should not be army generals, case closed. If they had stayed as "hero units" like being special commandos with decent tacticians above them and grand strategists directing the battles then it's likely that Palpatine wouldn't be able to do an effective propaganda smear campaign. By being front and centre, all failures were laid at their feet and they failed a lot.
100%, It was all according to plan by Palpi tho
The entire Clone Wars is a fiasco. Jabiim is simply one microcosm of it. Every participant has made mistakes and bad decision, even with the best of intentions. Mutual animosity is regrettable even if understandable.
What I find disgusting is when people use their grievances to justify collective punishment of individuals who are simply living on the other side of the divide to them. If they celebrate Order 66, including the killings of Younglings who are merely children and cannot do anything related to the war, they are just as bad and even worse than their enemies. The same if citizens on both sides of the border continue to blame and advocate punishing each other just because of where they were located during the war, and not based on what they actually did.
Any eagle-eyed reader will probably get a sense of what current real-life conflict I am alluding to.
Wooooo commenting before I watch 10 seconds into the video!
What the hell is that thumbnail?
The jedi ORDER should not have joined the war, but individual jedi should have joined the republic military special forces. It's like how many people in my church joined the military after 911 but the entire church organization did not join the war like the crusaders. Pastors weren't given officer commissions.
Is first still a thing?
No
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Lol why does every one of your videos about the Jedi contain so many contradictions? You both want the Jedi to be so subordinate to the Republic they don't worry about civilian casualties or treatment of prisoners and you also want them to be pure? How can they be "pure" if they are indifferent to the galaxy? How can they be these robotic war machines not concerned with morality and also be Republic loyalists rather than imperial forerunners? How can you keep insisting on accountability and transparency and chains of commands and rules and regulations to make them just another bureaucracy and yet also insist they need to be disobeying unjust political authority? Pick a lane or else figure out what your actual critiques are bcs at present what you're saying is incoherent and this is a pattern. You are either talking out of both sides of your mouth to triangulate anti Jedi feeling from multiple different angles among the fanbase or else you really are completely at the mercy of a bunch of different conflicting frustrations with the failure of the prequel Jedi to avert fate you haven't thought through at all.
He's saying that they need to be one or the other. They either need to fully integrate themselves in the Republic chain of command with all of its thorns and roses, or they need to completely isolate themselves from the ugliness of politics and war. They can't do both. The problem is they tried to do both, and it backfired spectacularly.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that being fully one or fully the other would have helped. If they extricate themselves entirely they are burying their heads in the sand, if they surrender their consciences and code completely to the Republic they aren't even Jedi anymore. Also, their part of the way in part of the way out thing literally worked for 25 thousand years, it failed because they weren't shaping Republic policy, only following it or not. They are the rightful rulers of the Republic and they are being commanded by those vastly morally inferior to themselves. That's the actual problem Lucas wants us to see - they are knights for a reason, they are meant to Plato's philosopher kings.
And they couldn't fail to do this after the Ruusan reformation because it what the Republic wanted, so rather than assert themselves forcefully against the Republic they submitted themselves in humility to the role the mixed morality people and their corrupt leaders wanted. This was simply destiny. They bit the bullet for the people they served and sacrificed themselves as martyrs so that there would be hope a new order arising from the chaos of the empire that the people and their corrupt leaders ultimately wanted. They could not rule justly over an evil galaxy, the galaxy was purged by fire as a result of handing over their wills to a devil figure and in Lucas' original conception the Jedi rise again to take their rightful place at the helm as seen with Luke and Leia. @@occam7382
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