Disgaea 7 is an improvement
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- čas přidán 19. 09. 2023
- Disgaea 7 so far seems to both look and play better than Disgaea 6. In this video I talk a little about my experience with the PS5, PS4, and Nintendo Switch demos of Disgaea 7.
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I'm not necessarily opposed to the 3D, but you make a good point about live2D and what it might be capable of. I'd love to see a bunch of well-done live2D sprites in the Disgaea style.
Technically we had some `live2Dish` type games back in playstation 3 era of games that could probably work in the case the person is likely wanting. Refer to Trinity Universe, which was effectively a collab type of title that appeared around 13 years ago that had `character 2.5Dish animations for cutscenes` that definitely had that early V-tuber like motif im sure plenty are used to these days.
It was also a NIS title too and if it ever got a remaster i would likely pick it up again since the combat was also rather good, taking similar beats to the Neptunia type of games with its own charm in customization and combos in its own way of being an RPG. In addition to having characters from other entries including Disgaea`s Etna, Flonne and even a Prinny as playable units.
@@BladeSerph Oh man I'd almost forgotten about Trinity Universe. I remember seeing some vids of it back in the day, but never got around to playing it myself. Might have to give it a look at some point.
"Having essentially skipped Disgaea 6-"
Ah, i see you also are a man of refined taste.
Even if you don't consider tech like "live 2D" the previous Disgaea titles had great spritework with good effects; in many cases the effects carried the weight of attacks as the sprites didn't have that many animation frames but particles, movement, and screenshake could convey the strength of an attack. It's kind of like how people say "movement feels weighty" or the "gunplay feels bad" when evaluating other video games; it's a subtle thing that's pretty important to overall enjoyment. Seems like a lot of that is missing in the video, the closest I could see was the mage animation where she cast a spell but it looks weird with the mix of 2d effects and 3D art. That being said I think they carried over the character idle animations on the field really well, they match what I remember from previous titles; you can identify many units by their idle animations. Like YSN I avoided D6, and I'll wait for some reviews before I spend money. The transition to 3D is really weird considering how good NIS titles have been with sprites.
It almost makes me believe they lost their artist for it or something. Because their art was truly unique and brought the game to colourful life. I do not like the 3D models, feels like a lazy less artistic approach to the best parts of the games, the characters and life and love/power of them individually.
What happened 🤦♂️ I’m still gonna get 7 and beat LoC/Rakshasa Baal tho 😂
I wanna play it but at this point I just KNOW a Complete edition will be out a year later.
That's always been my gripe.
I wonder if there will be because this is the 1st time disgaea came to PC at launch.
its getting released on pc at the same time as consoles
Nice to see a PC release right away. I didn't buy D6 because the whole auto-thing seemed a bit odd. I may get back into Disgaea with this one, but I will wait for reviews first. :)
in Disgaea 6 all Characters did get a Part of the Exp in the Endscreen as long as they where on the map. that was removed. also removed was the Magi Change wich alowed u to turn Monster Units into Weapons. Ever since it was introduced in Disgaea 3 every Game had in in some way or form.
They kinda DID bring back Magi Change with the Hell-mode system, which im sure they will create some way for other units to use hell mode also, then just the 7 wielders of the `treasured weapons`, Likely with the DLC characters if i had to make a guess. With Jumbificatication is kind of a nod to Overlord Overload skills, Dark Sun effects and Monster fusion.
Though im certainly interested on how `strong` the new Trait skills they seemed to have put in to replace Innoncents since they do not appear to be present anymore which Disgaea 6 did have. Though if you are allowed alot more `slots` to stack these fixed % bonuses and can stack multiple copies and other methods exist to increase some values, then it might be better.
I mean, i can certainly see getting a 3% or 6% stat bonus to a character`s existing stats could out-pace the fixed stat bonus of stacking innocents, since it would be building more off the unit`s stats then being more restricted to the stats of the gear itself.
not just that disgaea in general added magic change, monster fusion, and ridable monsters rare feature, but disgaea randomly decides when to use these features and 6 and 7 didn't use any of them but instead add a new one that will be forgotten in the future.
Going to miss(can always go back to...) Desco magichanging into that heavy ass blade for Valvatorez.
I love it and have the only power level guide for 8 characters in demo.
i bought 1,2,3,4,5 across all the crazy sales throughout the years. played 5 and really liked it but i got stuck in a level where i just couldn't reach enemies somewhere high up on a platform - never went back and didn't touch any of the others >.
Just unlock sage and cheese the story with land of devistation
I got stuck at that same point in 5, where the last enemy was on a platform and I could not attack them no matter what i tried. Makes me hesitant to pick up 7.
Which is a shame, because 7 looks like a great game.
Right there with you.
I'll keep complaining too as long as they do the 3D thing.
Was it toned down for "modern audiences"
I’m also curious about this
No not really. Have played 6+ hours of the actual game, 7 is quite the return to form.
Disgaea 7 on the Switch handheld is not that bad... I have the Japanese version. It runs well enough though yeah it looks like the PC or PlayStation versions run better much better and smoother.
I feel like 7 is quite the return to form. There are a lot of good things about the game. Its been fun playing it.
It seems that they did not upgrade the boring / weak looking attack animation. I have skip disgaea 6 because of it and I think the problem is that they focus the camera in the character model way too much unlike the 2d ones where the camera is far from the character thus seeing all the destruction the character makes. I might get this one if it goes on sale.
Good point about the camera height. I sometimes felt it was a bit too close. I wish there was a way to zoom out a little bit.
who cares most of the game you skip it anyway in post game lmao
I'm trying to see if they'll have Steam Deck support that would be awesome
How's the difficulty? I remember 6 turning me off since every map could be auto'd. 4 and 5 still had some difficult maps here and there
Hard to say, because the demo is only the very first part of the game which basically is just a tutorial. I did notice the difficulty increase slowly with the last few maps, though. I had to buy and equip some new weapons and the demo ends at a point where I probably needed to start leveling up some of my units.
True. I didnt play much of it, but D6 was super-simplified, imo I think its easily the worst Disgaea main game...I hope we get back to classic gameplay in D7
I don't know what they did to textures/models but it looks a lot better than 6, but I would still prefer if they went like Arc and just treated the models as 2d art.
It's a return to form in a way which is OK.
Me personally I don't mind the 3d models, Disgaea 6 was OK, but rhe models kinda felt Jaggered in a way
D7 seems to smooth it out, while also improving upon it. The return to a 9999 Lv cap is also good
Anime chess. That's a great descriptor!
Team attacks are not really team attacks here. Now only the attacker get the EXP. It is more of a support thingy than team attack. I guess that is why there are not team attack animations.
The main gripe I have with the animations is the lack of on-field ones. Every skill animation starting from Disgaea 6 are set in a different place, sorta feeling like a cutscene. That stuff happened in the older games, but only for stronger skills that would make no sense animation-wise to take place in the same area, like planets exploding, or throwing an enemy at the Sun, etc.
Other than that, I'm having a blast with the game, and it far outshines 6. Almost done with the main story.
Yes! This is my #1 complaint about 7. It's overall a lot of fun, and I'm fine with the 3D models (although I don't think they're better than 2D). But every single damn skill is a cutscene on its own little field. It's really, really annoying and should be reserved for only the most powerful skills like before. It makes me feel like I *have* to set all skills to skip because otherwise combat is an incredibly annoying slog every single turn, but that makes skills and combat kinda vanilla and boring when I do that because ALL animations are basically gone. It's also way too fast and I can barely even tell what happened to characters sometimes. I don't even know when characters die sometimes. I miss how it used to be, which felt like a nice balance.
The animation are better if you hold down the r2 button, which speeds it up. Also, I'm not certain, but I think they shrunk the heads, so it's not as chibi as 6, can you verify if that's true?
Yeah, they are less chibi. I noticed it straight away after started playing. Personally, in 7 I find the animations quite good.
Tbh I don't really understand their move to 3d, most of the 2d sprites were reused and recoloured in the past so it's not like they had to redraw everything from scratch all the time, and they don't seem to be taking any advantage of the 3d models (core gameplay aesthetic and camera view remains the same, story cutscenes remain 2d) so the only difference is that they look worse and tank the performance on lower end machines like the switch.
I'm surprised NISA doesn't send you a review copy.
Special attack animations are something I turn off fairly early after starting a new game. Nice the first 4 or 5 times you see them but the holdup in the action forces me to just skip them anyway.
Live2D would be excellent for this game but I have my doubts they will do that though, it feels like they have been really trying to find ways to cut costs the last few games. Its heartbreaking seeing one of my favorite franchises degrade with every new release.
I mean if they did something akin to it 13 years ago with Trinity universe, i dont think it would be that hard for them to dredge up that design style again if they wanna lean more into the use of 2.5Dish like stuff. Though the idea of them just having minor animations for basic 2D like they did for Disgaea 5 would be fine too.
Very least though Disgaea still feels like it has way more polish then what certain Dragon quest spin off titles have been degrading rather poorly into. Treasures and Dark Prince, especially on the latter`s demo feel very lousy in more ways then one that it makes Disgaea 6`s problems look more like charming tweaks instead.
This is far from my perfect Disgaea game! Disgaea should introduce auras with different levels, just like in Dragon Ball. There should be a training room where characters can increase their level, stats and learn new combat technique by paying with hl. It should go back to 2d and add much more animations than ever before, for example they should add visible tiredness and damage of the body. It should have fully destructible environment and change its setting to a normal physical planet instead of a demon world. It should add combat techniques which boost something at the cost of something else. I can simply go on with this. There are so much room for improvement.
Gameplay fine. Story sceptical of otaku gyaru of region then isekai phew. Hard tell as demo, D6 auto fight, D7 new stuff? Live 2D/3D take/leave. Play them for gameplay. Save import nice.
I think what matters more is the gameplay and if it is funny over animation.
I am sure there is plenty of people who turn off animations after few times or either efficiency farming etc.
I love 3d models it makes some of them chubby and cute.
Plus is not as bad compared to Pokémon were they lack love and dedication after Pokémon black & white were it has peak sprite and animation and same goes for the 3d models of stadium, colosseum and DX. Disgaea had 1 single mistake while Pokémon is 4 plus 1 or 2 spin offs for a total of 6 mistakes.
We are still into the 2d graphics animations...
i like both the 3d and 2d
I haven't played a single gle Disgaea game since 3 on PS3.
The demo really pissed me off lol. My guess is it's going to be as bad as disgaea 6, the only steam game I ever returned (just have to be in the first 2 weeks and 2 hours)
I don't mind the change to 3d in and of itself, but like you said, they really skimped on the animation. Not only are team attack animations gone, but so are tower attacks! I can't tell if a tower attack even exists anymore or if the bottom character just does a normal attack. Same with "team attacks," I can't even figure out what the rest of my team is doing when their portraits show up, because it's just the first guy swinging.
In d6 they gutted item world, left/took out many monsters, and the whole thing just felt clunky. When you choose an ability in d7 it usually has you facing some stupid way with no target and you have to move the targeting line around. EVERY TIME.
Team attacks and towers were what first drew me into Disgaea, and it's a horrible shame that they're just not bothering anymore. Like they found one guy to do the graphics in 3d so fired the team responsible for making animations and since he can't be fired, he just coasted through.
yep pretty much all that.
main issue is 3D... fucking hate that. but oh well at least Disgaea isn't dead.
I still love My Disgaea 4 and really need to finish the + version, and start playing 5.
How did they actually manage to make a Disgaea game so fast after the last? 🤣
They already had the assets of the new 3d models and I heard it was much easier working with the 3d models than the 2d sprites
If someone asks me what Disgaea is I just tell them…it’s cocaine Fire Emblem.
I skipped 6 and will torrent 7. I hope they improve the animations in 8 of the series lasts.
I'm happy they nerfed auto and restored a buncha cut content in this
I want to try play most of them skip 6 for 7 . Just can't get over the lifeless uninspired animation attacks, but I'll give it a shot.
In 7 they are not that bad... Much better than in 6 at least. 5 has great attack animations and they do feel weighty.
Despite what fans say, while I do admit the transition to 3D lost some of the charm and animations of 2D, A LOT of the animations in the attacks of Disgaea prior to 6 looked very bad due to it just moving around a few sprites around at times (not always). It got worse over time and the backgrounds look so bland and generic at times that it kinda puts me off from the 2D or 3D character appeal at times. Still kinda does. While at first I was bummed to hear that team attacks had no unique animations, I can see why they did that since you can just use a special attack now. Wouldn't really be worth the extra work. Having to use normal attacks for team attacks in the old games made grinding a PAIN at times so that's a huge improvement!
So far the game looks good. Plan on grabbing the PS5 version. In all honesty I don't personally mind the 3d models. I do agree that their should be more style per say to them maybe like Guilty Gear Strive. Definitely not saying it has to be 1 to 1, but yeah you can have 3d models looks cool and slick in motion and that NIS should try more with them.
Well said about the 3D models. While editing the video I was starting to think that I was perhaps a bit overly critical on some aspects of them. But if they work on them and manage to do more with them than they could with the 2D models then I would be okay with that.
Dont like the look at al lwil lskip this one also did not like 6.. i may pick up the 1s one again soon
I played D6 on switch and ill admit that hampered my experience. Trying the D7 demo on switch i can tell its not worth playing on switch, ps5 looked so much better and im going to play it on PC so i wont have this problem. The 3d actually looks good to me. I feel like they 1:1 the character sprites into models really well. The sprites were quirky and had charm cause of it though. Might try D6 on PC at some point.
cant wait to play it
i think im gonna stream the demo
clearly the games always about graphics.
Disgaea 7 and 6 just feel kinda bland to me compared to 4 and 5 the 2d attack animation and team attacks just breed some kife into the game for me at least. Even if i eventually turn them off after i get into post game
The new disgaea games better have more weapon skills.very disappointed how little weapons skills actually made it into this game and it's really sad
3D ! Nooooo 😢
Sry PTSD from 6 is coming back !
I will buy the full version on Steam meanwhile but I hope for the Switch 2 will be a complete version of this Disgaea 7 for buy.
wow no assist animations with more than one character atacking...dead game, thank you , you just saved me money :)
Which one is actually the Best game from this franchise?
I think iam ready to jump in!!
If i may ask
Disgaea 1 is great, but the ports on modern platforms are underwhelming (ds or ps are still prob the best versions).
Disgaea 4 has a really great story, but some of the game systems are a little weird.
Disgaea 5 has an avg story but i think it takes all the best elements from the Disgaea games and rolls them into one. Id start there. If you get into the franchise youll go back to all the other ones.
Dont start with Disgaea 6.
@@tjgii1207 Super Thank you for hint/navigation on the sea of Disgaea!!!
I would say 5 or D2. 1 is good too although a bit dated.
Personally I think 4 and 5 are the best to start with but if you wanna play the first game and not track down a copy for the ps2 their is a ps4 re-release called disgaea 1 complete if you wanna get into the series However is one of the harder games to get into because it doesn't have all the bells and whistles from 4 and 5
Disgaea 4 and 5
overall its better than 6 and slightly worse than 5 imo.
story and amount of characters is better. whats worse is that they removed the option to use juice bar to level your classes and weapon masteries, so i hope you enjoy grinding those the old fashioned way.
they also ruined auto battle cuz so many bone heads complained about it from 6 even though its completely optional. so now you need fuel to use it and it cannot be used in item world.
an improvement is that you can now "buy all" evilities from the shop.
the post game grind is really bad in this one, extremely boring because of the above things i mentioned.
item world is also limited to 30 floors, no more unlimited item world. also traits on items are random as are their changes when you reincarnate them.
if you just care about the story portion of the game this is a very solid entry, if you care about post game this one is pain.
I skipped 6 because it didn't line up with what I expected. Watched a lot of footage though. I see 7 as a pretty big improvement over 6. I actually don't mind the 3d, and I can see potential in it if they keep working on improving it. Seems like they want to stick with it. Might as well embrace it.
day 1 buy for me. very happy they brought back Demon Intelligence so I can just leave it on and farm my characters level up without the bad part of grinding.
It's not no improvement disgaea 5 is still better than this
I hope it is did not like 6
Not sure why people rip on disgaea 6 it's awesome !
But it took many of the features that were in past games away.
Least D7 is a return to form in a way, as it redeems itself over Disgaea 6 while improving on it.
The return to a normal cap of 9999 is good
This animations are really bad im so sorry
I can't stand the separate attack animation screens. It feels so cheap. I still have hope for this series, 5 was incredible, but 6 and 7 are just bad.
7 isn't even out yet lol how can you judge a game on 2 chapters...
Soooooo Ps5 is the better version ? Say less
Depends
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Still not as good as disgae 5 complete but it's alright, early game is kinda boring, disgae 5 complete atleast had all dlc and with disgae 6 being a total peice of trash I do see any point in purchasing the dlc seems how they wanna not release complete versions anymore