Sony ZV E10 vs BMPCC 6k // 8 bit SLOG3 vs 12 bit BRAW
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- I did some quick tests comparing the image from Sony ZV-E10 to my main camera BMPCC 6k to check if I can use my Sony as a B camera for some projects. Those test are not very scientific but maybe some of you will find them useful :)
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:18 - Important Notes
1:19 - Indoor tests
2:57 - Outdoor tests
4:28 - Lowlight tests
5:09 - Conlusion & Outro
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My main camera and lens:
- Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6k amzn.to/3C8IXlq
- Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 amzn.to/3oljoIQ
My second camera and lenses:
- Sony ZV-E10 amzn.to/2YNJHyS
- Sigma 16mm f1.4 amzn.to/3wI5Yux
- Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 amzn.to/3om4tye
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Super interesting and super nice results, as a ZV-E10 user I'm really pleased. Please make that video talking about your workflow and grading techniques on 8bit Slog3, those tips would be amazing to have. Keep up the great work! These types of videos are really useful.
I'm happy to hear that because usually those type of videos don't have much attention so support is appreciated 😃
hey, does it have good quality in videos, whats your over all experience
Hoping to see a breaktrough of how u work with ur 8 bit footage from the ZV-E10 to make it look like BMPCC 6k... so hyped for that video
It's on my list, just need some free time 😃
This was the most informative video I saw on the subject, I had some doubts about the ZVE10, but now I know that if it is well calibrated the results can be very good. Thank you so much for this video, I really needed this.
You're welcome!
My favourite new channel - thank you!
I'm happy to hear that!
Great presentation, thanks! While the two cameras are obviously very different, with your tweaks the ZV-E10 is most definitely usable for most, if not all, use case scenarios. Certainly good enough for anything expository in which the video quality is secondary to the content, and arguably good enough in any artistic context in which your audience isn't pixel-gazing because they're thinking about the cameras themselves. And in at least two instances here, I'm skeptical that anyone could distinguish them in a blind test.
Thank You, I plan to use Sony mostly for a quick dynamic shots for its great AF on a gimbal so it should work well as a B-camera 🙂
amazing video! absolutely what i was searching for!!!
Thank you very much!
3:01 - my running spot :D Great video, as usual!
Thanks man! Maybe you will meet me there one time because I always shoot test videos there :)
Epic bro! I’m gonna get the a7iv soon and glad to see slog 3 can match
Thank You, S-log3 is the way in my opinion and with 10 bit on a7IV you will get even better results!
Beautiful work, waiting more videos....
Thanks, new videos coming soon 😃
Thanks a lot for this great video. You really succeeded with the SLOG 3 to achieve a very good result and the zv-e10 can serve nicely as a B camera. I hope you will make a video about your workflow and grading techniques on 8bit Slog3 soon, please.
Thank you, it's on my list, just need some free time to record it 🙂
I am new to the camera and new to your channel. This was amazing. Would love to learn your workflow with this. Thank you for the great explanations.
Thank You! I already made slog3 workflow video if that's what you wished to see :)
@@VilkanVisions I found it. Thanks!!!
wow, zve10 slog3 very similar... good job.
Thank You!
Very interesting test. Well done.
I'm glad you like it!
LOVED THIS!!
I'm happy to hear that!
Super interesting. Would be nice to have a video about your workflow. Although unscientific these test are quite usefull.
I'm happy that it was useful 😀 Slog3 workflow added to list, I just need to have some free time to make it.
Super comparison sir i recently purchased zv e10 camera
Thanks, have fun with your camera 🙂
This is gold standard...!!!
Thank you!
very useful bro 🔥
I'm glad to hear that 🙌
Gracias 😮
I think HLG, or what I use Cine2, are the best balance between fullest dynamic range and ease of grading. Always happy with just how far up that ZV-E10 punches in terms of picture quality. Just that 8bit continues to cap and limit it.
For me slog profiles are much easier to to use, I can just make a simple transform to Rec709 which is the correct way, with hlg and cine2 you have to transform it manually which I don't recommend. Watch my Slog3 workflow to see how easy it is. Everyone are repeating the same thing about slog and 8bit but they just don't know how to deal with that.
I would love for you to make a video of the sony zv e10 in low light. I loved your other video on how to use slog 3 and the truth is that I have gotten a lot of use out of it, but I still have problems in low light. What do you recommend? use cine 4 or hlg 2? or if you have any configuration that you can give me I would appreciate it
I use slog3 in low light too, maybe I should make a video about that because a lot of people don't understand how noise works 🙂 I will add this to my long list of videos to do 😅
Great video!!! are you using the kit lens whith the vz e 10?
Thank You! I put the info about the lens I used in the beginning of the video :)
Great video! Can you share your S-log3 lut that match bm so great?
Thank You! I actually don't use luts, I transform slog in Davinci. Maybe I will make a video about my workflow in the future :)
hola amigo espero estes muy bien :).
If it's not too much trouble, I would like to request a video of the entire process you go through with the Sony camera. How you work the color grading to achieve color similarity with your other camera would help me a lot since I am learning, and I see your videos and your results are awesome. I send you the best wishes and hope you can make that video. Greetings.
great video
Thank you!
One of the cases where fancy cameras dont matter. Damn! the underrated sony e10 really held it's own against the infamous pocket 6k 😳🤯
I'm definitely impressed, like big time 💯🤘👊🙂
Thank You, what is in front of the camera and skills are the most important, but I can't say that camera doesn't matter at all, there are still some limitations to 8 bit , however it's not an excuse to not make nice looking images 🙂
@@VilkanVisions Well, there sure are limitations of shooting 8bit but for a "vlogging" camera like the e10 to go head to head with the "semi pro" pocket 6k just shows how underrated it really is & also how shallow minded we are as a society to tend to favour way more expensive options without realizing that some cheaper options can also get the job done 💯🤦
@@VilkanVisions But all in all, thanks alot for taking the time in making that video. Damn sure learnt something from you & for that i wish you well, mate 🙏
@@musadays8083 Yeah for most people zv e10 is more then enough. I'm glad that it was useful!
thank you for this amazing video. I have a SONY ZV E10, when I'm shooting in LOG 3 I don't have the possibility to change the exposure as you said in the video. Can you help me please
You're welcome, you have to shoot in manual mode
i'm new to cameras can you please tell whats an mc 11 adapter? do i need it for sigma 30mm lens? or can i just use the lens on its own? great video btw! thanks.
You need adapters only when using lenses with different mount like Canon EF in my example. If it's native Sony E mount then you don't need one.
A video about you processing the slog/8bit would be very nice. Good video!
Thanks! Already on my list of videos to do 😃
@@VilkanVisions
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@@jefersonaraujo4190 I already made that video 🙂
thanks for this useful information bro. can u make video on rolling shutter of zv e10. Actually i'm facing issue of bending with zv e10 footages
You're welcome! I will note all that and try to include it in my future videos 🙂
@@VilkanVisions ok thanks😇
Very good bmpcc6k and makes my big ass spin
excellent
Thank you🙏
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your video gave me a whole new sense of respect for the ZVe10..however, shouldn't we be avoiding using slog 3 for 8bit cameras?
If you know how to use it properly it's not different from other profiles, maybe I will make a video about that if there will be more people interested :)
@@VilkanVisions count me interested for sure!!!!
@@VilkanVisions Yes PLEASE! Everyone says not to use s-log on 8bit. They say to HLG with the ZV-E10 but I haven't been overly happy with my results. You're channel is a gem. thank you for sharing your skills.
@@kumoitojp Yes Hlg3 is very polular, and people are repeating on CZcams that myth about slog3, but I understand why so I will try to share my workflow 🙂
Please make a video on this!!
so in your opinion sony z v and 10 approaches black magic 6 k thanks to s log 3? can you then run on an equal level despite the different bits?
I'm not sure what you're asking but if you want to know how close they are, then of course BMPCC 6k is a lot better, couple levels higher in terms of image quality, color depth and codec. What BM can do easily, with 8bit I have to be very carefull to match it. There is less room for mistakes with Sony for sure. What I'm doing here is pushing Sony to it's limts to match the image to BM.
@@VilkanVisions ho compreso, ma dal tuo video infatti si notano ben poche differenze, dici che volendo la bm6k è in grado di far meglio, ma la hai contenuta per abbinarla hai filmati sony?
@@VilkanVisions I understood, but in fact from your video you can see very few differences, you say that if you want the bm6k it is able to do better, but you have contained it to match it, you have sony movies?
Great comparison..Peace
Thanks ✌✌
How to setting slog 3 and noise reduction
Check my slog3 workflow video, the best way to add noise reduction is before any other corrections 🙂
What color space in the SLOG3 profile did you use? Rec709?
S-gamut3.cine, more info on my slog3 workflow video.
Will it be the same results with the pocket 4k
Very similar 🙂
Wow wow it is amazing .. your video is best for e10 ..Thank you for your video... I usually used a6500 instead my a7m4 ..I hope to buy used bmpcc6k but I change my thouht. Thank you for your test ...and Thank you for your beautiful wife..
You're welcome!
@@VilkanVisions You are really wonderful .
May i know what Lens you are using for ZV-E10?
Sure, I'm mentioning it in the video in 1:07
Would you do a cinelens on the zv 10?
I don't see the point, I bought this camera mainly because of great AF. For manual focus I much prefer to use my main camera BMPCC 6k.
As you stated in the video, in the outdoor test we can see exposure changes; but if I’m not mistaken, there were no exposure changes in slog3. Am I right? If yes, slog3 seems to be quite enough and no need to pay more for black magic.
I'm not sure if I understand what you mean but raw gives you me a lot of adventages especially with color, I can easily change WB in post with raw but without it I have to nail it exactly in every shot. With 8bit I have to be very precise and plan exactly every shot but with raw I don't have to worry too much. Of course if I'm shoooting for example travel video for myself I don't have to worry to much but when every shot is crucial and it needs to be matched then raw is irreplaceable.
At 4:01 in the video, the sony’s exposure is flattering with full auto settings, I mean it’s changing a few times. I think this is what you mean by “you can see exposure changes”
And this seems not to be the case when you shoot in slog, just like blackmagic.
I hope I could express myself, if I couldn’t sorry for my English; this point and your answer is important to me.
@@Dincerssssss ok I understand now, of course you can use full manual settings on Sony and I always do that but what differs these cameras the most is 8bit codec and 12bit raw, color depth and much more room for changes in post is what makes the biggest difference :) In the end it all depends how you plan to use the camera, in many cases 8bit is enough.
@@VilkanVisions Thank you a lot. By the way thanks for the great review. It’s really straight to the point and reveals the way these cameras handles the most probable lighting conditions one might encounter.
@@Dincerssssss You're welcome!
i think the problem in low light is the sensor size? maybe you will get far closer with an F1.4 objektiv right?
I don't have problems in low light, with slog3 it's normal thing to use ettr technique 🙂
@@VilkanVisions i mean in terms of sharpness, you compared 1.8 on both but the sony has a crop factor , if i am correct, the 1.8 on sony ends in 2.7 compared on bmpcc6k sensor size
@@esthesiarules both cameras has simmiliar sensor sizes aps-c/s35
oh realy my bad its true, i get confused about the e-crop 1.5 in datasheet@@VilkanVisions
Cual es el iso nativo de las sony?
Without PP it's 100, with hlg3 125, slog3 is 500 on zv-e10.
what the... it is all I can say 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
🙏🙏🙏
Looks like Black magic wins to me for our Home LiveStream studio here at home.
I love my Pocket 6k the image and braw is amazing 😃
Isn’t the slog-3 base iso 1000?
It depends on the camera, on ZV-E10 it's 500, on other models 800 etc.
@@VilkanVisions oh, I see! I have a zv-1, it is 1000. Thanks for the reply and for the great video.
@@kapu3000mi You're welcome 🙂
That is something I noticed in sony zve10 vs black magic, the digital look .. which is why id go with the black magic 4k over sony more expensive but better quality, save your pennies go with black magic
Yeah BM is different league I own Pocket 6k for a couple of years and It's still much better than most of new hybrid cameras.
how about audio test from both device?
It's different because BM has mini XLR and phantom power plus normal jack. I'm personally not interested too much in doing comparison like that because if I use both cameras together I use it mainly without internal audio, only with music in the background.
@@VilkanVisions can you suggest me personally between ZV1 or ZVe10? overall thought
@@gurumajuindonesia It depends what you plan to shoot and if you will buy lenses with zv e10.
The viewers gotta know that u don't need raw if u don't use heavy grading. . . Braw shines in heave post process. This should 't be a comparison, different tools for different work.
Yes of course, raw is superior, I did it less for comparison and more for myself to check if I can match them for my own projects. Nobody is saying there is no difference, that's not the point of the video. These are the only cameras that I got and I bought them for different reasons.
странно но в русскоязычном комьюнити считается что slog 3 для 8 бит камер сони это просто маркетинг, и нужно использовать hlg 1/2/3. тут теперь только практика покажет
Sorry man, but this guy is russophobic so he won't answer you, i'm incredibly sorry this happened to you.
@chinesekangaroo I assume you're joking, I don't have time to answer all the comments not to mention translating from other languages.
E-10 looks great for $500. LOL. You're technique has a lot to do with it, I guess.
Thanks, my technique is not complicated but effective 😃
in my opinion despite the larger sensor of sony, there are notable differences, there is a better light in black magic, to get better you should take a 12 mm focal lens 1.4 or 1.8 with af x the sony zve 10, black magic does not take valid photos x be a hybrid, but video side x approach you should have a fuji x-t4 or a sony a7 iii,
Sensor size is almost the same s35/apsc, the lens, focal lenght and distance was the same. I don't shoot a lot of photos so I don't care about that too much :)
The Sony looks like digital video.
On Standard profile definetly, but I think with S-log3 it looks not bad at all, it's not BM level but it's still a nice image from an 8 bit camera :)
Very good bmpcc6k and makes my big ass spin
thanks🙏