Fallout 4 Gameplay - Purified Water Farming vs. Melon Farming - How to Make Big Money!
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Fallout 3.
Whole game spent purifying the water.
Fallout 4.
i have enough water for everone in the continent.
Lol
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Imagine this two choices to play fallout 4:
1) go hunt Kellogg
2) go harvest melon.
Water farming pros & cons : 7:19
Melon farming pros cons : 13:55
"Drink. Some. Water." -- The Sole Survivor.
*He who controls the water, controls the Wasteland.*
I have a water farm because I like to you know... play the game.
This way I can go play and just come back to grab it all in one place(the workshop)
Yeah pretty Much. The mechanics of farming for money work just fine but.. My god so much button pressing for such a little payoff at a time.
Before i get enough junk for purifier farms i stsrt with corn farms because they stack so close together. Plus you can double the output every single harvest if you have enough settlers. Also easy to obtain.
lol I know right, I’m trying to do the other things.
Lucy wont buy watermelons also after you have their farm as a settlement, he forgot that as a con because of his bias
It is not a scam.. It is a built in game mechanic.. It's called realism.. Extra water goes to settlement and they sell it to other... Hmm. So when I go buy. 24pk of water for $4.99 and sell each bottle at the concert I host for $1.00 each.. Oh no I've scammed my fans..
Just found this video. The problem with the melon farm plan is that you have to make sure not to complete the "Return the Favor" quest because if you do you lose the ability to trade melons with Lucy.
you can still sell them just a tiny bit less.
Oh no.. i finish it damn
8 year old video blowing up lol
Not sure if anyone mentioned it, just fast travel to pass time. go out, sell your water to all the businesses, come back *shock* there's more water! the fast travel passed the game time. Sure it takes longer to set up, but it earns you way more real time than melons.
I have a 999 water production at Sanctuary, Abernathy, Taffington Boathouse, Oberland Station, and Greygarden. I produce too much water to effectively sell an entire round to all markets. Even when I don't have any caps at all, I can pay for everything with the actual purified water itself.
Mind you I haven't had a bottlecap shortage since I accidentally talked to brother simon at charlesview.
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yeah just a metric butt ton of water pumps out back where the melons used to be lol. Good fun, good fun.
MELON FARM - CONS
3. Requires settlers to be assigned to farming
Hairysteed i think if you have automatron you can make robots
If you start with Int 6 and pick science the first time you level, you can have a large purifier before the Minutemen are escorted to Sanctuary Hills. This gives you starting income and completes the water mission.
Once you can build shops, place a row of them beside your workbench and you can load up and sell every time you fast travel back home. No need to waste time playing with plants. You can spend more time playing.
Water is better for alot of reasons. Here's how you set this up , seek out materials that you need to build water purifiers and fill up the entire Creek and keep them close/tight together . I prefer to clear an area for scrap and return to my base to store scrap and items then get my water out of the workshop put into a container or sell it immediately whichever . Have shops set up at your base , one of each type . Being able to invest in shops to increase their cap count will also be useful . You will make around 5-10k every time you return to your base if you do this right . I personally just trade water for shipments of junk. ( my main character has 300k caps on hand , enough scrap to build a mega base at all settlements , and around 20k purified water in a chest .) Melons are limited because you need settlers to farm them and the productivity is less. Just do water.
Forgot that, murder farming. Build a ton of cages to capture gunners, wipe them out, sell their gear and get a bunch of levels.
So the choice is go crazy collecting 120 melons to sell for 600 caps or install 4 industrial purifiers for 120 water by just opening the Sanctuary work bench and sell for 1200 to 1800 caps depending on charma. Charma to start should be 6, then with clothing adding 4, and cap collector adding better prices selling and buying. All for a total of 12 caps per gallon. That's 1440 caps for just opening the work bench
one additional con to melon farm is that you're harvesting melons so this settlement can't produce tatoes, corn and mutafruits for adhesive
one additional Pros for water farming is that you have additional, almost unlimited source of healing from purified water
1. No tech is required for a water farm, you can use hand pumps which only cost steel and concrete.
2. Charisma is not required, 1 water is 7 caps for a 1 charisma.
3. Maybe you can get to 1k caps with a melon farm before I can get to 1k caps with a water farm, but water farm will win out over time and barring speed runs, I tend to put in 30+ hours in a play through (usually much much more). I can harvest all the water from every settlement through 1 inventory if I have local leader and supply chains, or all the water from one settlement without them vs you spending time with each harvest manually collecting them.
4. Sure, you can have a larger caps count than I will since I'm limited by shop keeper respawns of caps, but I can buy them out of inventory every single day with water and fast travel. Your follower can carry an infinite weight if you drop that huge stack of water on the ground and tell them to pick it up.
Money farms are about efficiency. it's not efficient to manually harvest money, even at 5 caps per thing picked up, it's simply not worth the time invested when you can instead spend up to an hour once filling the drive in with a few hundred hand pumps and have a thousand caps worth of water spawn every hour or so. You can build an unlimited number of items in an area if you have something to scrap for each item built, minus the original limit. Simply build up to capacity, drop some looted (I like guns, but I think any scrapable item works) on the ground and scrap it, now you can build something else. Drop 20 guns and scrap them all, now you can build 20 more pumps. The only real limit on building in each settlement is your computer's ability to deal with that much crap.
So no, the melon farm is hot trash, not because it doesn't work, or isn't profitable (debatable), but because it's a constant time sink. You are most likely better off with a smallish water farm, even if it's only 30 hand pumps, or a couple basic purifiers and a few cheap generators because once it's set up, you can harvest them all with one inventory instead of spending however long it takes to manually harvest a field.
The market is over saturated with pure water but somehow prices are not dropping
inelastic resource
Carlos Smith gets used up within hours, due to NPCs using it to take showers, flush the toilet, take a bath, and having a water balloon fight.
Hey Codsworth, I want to trade a few things [hands him around 250 water to carry].
Or instead...
[I drop 3000ish water on the ground in the ground in the form of 1 tallboy of water]
Hey Codsworth, PICK THAT UP!
Now my friend is a floating personal ATM!
Game logic is great! Both my Santuary Hills & Spectacle Island have 900+ water production.
You made valid points about the cons of water farming, but it was really disingenuous to leave out the cons of melon farming (listed throughout the comments).
Or build the melon farm at Lucy's farm?
You don't have to wait the in game time you can fast travel between settlement and collect between 3 or 4 farms and that'll work fine. You can use scavengers to passively generate scrap. Water generates passively. Melon might do for survival I guess. Water generation isn't random either, it depends in supply and demand, how much you produce and how much the settlement needs. If you have multiple connected settlement and one doesn't produce enough to cover the population, it will draw from the supply chain.
Production isn't random either, it's 75% of surplus
The video feels very dragged on. I feel like A LOT of stuff can be shortened or even removed
All Fallout youtubers pull this shit lmao. You gotta skip through the vids and speed watch em.
The Institute just messed with the wrong Melon Farmers... *Loads Fatman with mini Nuke* Thug Life
The whole time I was making melon farmer jokes in my head dude lol
For best "on demand" money making investing in the Scrounger perk is best imo. Upgraded two or three times and you get so much ammo, mines, and grenades of all kinds you simply sell off what you don't need. It never stops, no waiting. You just collect ammo as usual but ammo, and extra ammo, pops up everywhere. Especially nice if not using a particular kind of ammo at all. So this can work even early game say if and when you decide to forego pipe guns. .38 caliber ammo is the most common ammo in the game. Its everywhere. In cabinets, safes, storage rooms, and of course on enemies. And if not using .38 ammo (pipe weapons) yourself it's worth one bottle cap per round. With the upgraded Scrounger perk, even upgraded once, you'll notice a jump in ammo of all kinds you "find." Upgraded two or three times? You'll be making hundreds and hundreds of bottle caps in ammo and taking in a bunch of mines and grenades to stock up on and sell every time you play the game. Nothing to invest in, no resources to use or time spent building and farming and assigning workers to tasks. Just all the ammo to sell or keep that you want. And again, the single round .38 pipe weapon ammo collected, if unused and sold, will see you make a ton of cash alone by just playing the game normally. Great perk
If the game was more realistic, the purified water scheme would make caps worthless due to the amount of purified water, just we used to have the gold standard, post-war America uses purified water as a standard.
Mironian yes but this is a 3yr old video on a Bethesda game
if you do it right with the water farm, you get max charisma and all the junktown jerky vendor magazines and you can make 15 caps per bottle. i made 2 different water purifier plants and i make 1200+ every round eventually you will end up with 10k+ water botles that you wont even know what to do with so save it in a container and as long as you have max strong back, you can take all of your water to goodneighbor and diamond city and you can buy every modded weapon to scrap for all those screws and other materials that you spent to build everything. i do agree it is very expensive b ut it is not a get rich quick scheme. it is a business that can make you the richest person in the commonwealth very quickly. i have over 20k purified water bottles just sitting in storage at my castle. whenever i get low on supplies or ammo, i take about 2-5k out and head into town. i usually only end up using at max 1500 but i come back with literally every single shipment i could have possibly got. if you do it right it is easily the best way to earn caps. i just restarted my game after playing 3/4 of the game and this time, i built the industrial water purifiers immidietly after finding sanctuary. if you build them up over time you can be making up to 600-700 per location. i found that it is tough to know exactly when they will pay out but when they do, it is so easy to get rich. i cant even sell every bottle if i wanted to and if i somehow did, id have over 350k more than i started with. 20k bottles for 15 caps each. i dont understand how this isnt a no brainer for yall. you spend a bunch but nobody said building a business from the ground up was easy in fallout 4. it will take time but once it is up and running, you will be drowning in purified water. if you arent just waiting for every single batch to come out every single time then eventually you will be able to buy anything in the game and vever actually spend any caps. ive got over 40k caps and the only time i use them is when im too lazy to go and grab my bottles. if you get strong back, every junktown jerky vendor, and depending on your charisma, you can make between 10-15 caps per bottle. that is a lot considering you will be making up to 7000-10500 caps per batch. hat is if you only do it in one location. 22 industrial water purifiers in one location will provide enough caps to last you at least enogh water to sell to get you ANYTHING from vendors. eventually you can just sit and buy every single thing a vendor has and only give them water for it. if you have scrapper, you can just scrap every weapon you just bought and you will have pretty much all you will need. i dont consider this to be an exploit, cheat, or even a scheme. to me, i see it as making my own water purification empire. i become basically the richest man/woman in the commonwealth if i want something then i buy it, if i cant buy it off of someone i blast em with a fat man and take it from their corpse. once it is going you just forget about it. ive moved my main purification plant to the castle so i can collect at my main base of operations. i feel like mellon farming is the worst thing you could choose. who wants to make 3 caps per melon when literally at the lowest charisma without any junktown jerky vendor magazines you can make 7 caps per bottle? i sure dont! i feel like just spending at max, 13 perk points to max strong back and charisma, isnt ha much considering you will never have to worry about having enough caps. thsanks for listening to my ted talk and have a nice day
You don't need strong back, you need a follower. Drop the 10k water bottles on the ground, they will show up as 1 item. Tell your follower to pick it up from the ground.
@@skavies2351 good point. for me i just like being able to carry a ton of different weapons so strong back has always been one of my first perks that i max out. i also usually get lone wanderer so i feel like keeping a companion now is just pointless.
@@elystang4957 Dogmeat (water wagon) still works with lone wanderer...
@@skavies2351 thats right! thanks! i forgot.
Take a shot every time he says extensive testing or money scheme.
I died.
The water is deposited in the workshop each day at the settlement reset time, which varies with each settlement. It does not filter in randomly during the day. Food is the same. Total output minus 1 unit of each per settler is what is deposited. Food and drink items such as whiskey or vodka stored in the workshop have limits and will stop surplus production being deposited. Also the supply does not stack, you get one production cycle and that's it until you take it out of the workshop.
I don't think its a scam. Every water source in the common wealth is irradiated. The sole survivor put together the infrastructure needed to start a clean water business for the common wealth. Its actually a very realistic business for this setting.
For those getting into fallout, if your doing the water method, you need to make sure there is no water (both purified and dirty) in the workshop. This will cause water to not show up in the workshop. Just a heads up
Thx man, i was playing survival end it really pissed me off. I had a feeling it had to do with some "aid" stuff. So I put all my chems/stims/food/drinks in seperate containers, only the raw materials in the workshop. Now I know it's because of the dirty water.
I hate this game's bugs.
@@Seven_Leaf It's not a bug.
@@thevoxdeus it's not a bug that water purifiers won't make water if you have water? How do you think the purifiers know that you have dirty water in your storage and so refuse to work? Even if it was intentionally programmed, it's still stupid enough to be a bug.
Wish you would have mentioned that retrieving Mary's locket for Blake removes the ability to sell Lucy melons..... Spent ages setting up the melon farm. Now i have melons for days but nowhere to sell them.....
Tommy says did the same thing but doing so has left me with a lot of of materials that I’m using to produce .38 rounds and selling those. Not the greatest biut works.
In any play through, I build ~20 industrial water purifiers VERY early in the game. I power them with large power plants. Where do I get the components? I trade for it using purified water. It's an exponential bootstrap thing. D'uh! I wind up with more purified water than I can spend (barter). I buy ALL the raw materials the merchants have and ALL the ammo of the types I want. I also buy heavily upgraded weapons to arm my settlers with 'and' I buy all the tough armor bits I find in shops. With all that, I still have more purified water piling up.
I've found that the busier you stay in game time & the happier your settlers are the more purified water you produce. I have my settlements that have open waters at about 999 water or more produce anywhere from 400 to as high as 700 purified waters. I'm definitely going to try the melon farming though! Awesome video!
Yeah, I don’t know about those in game minute conversions. I can travel to diamond city, sell all my water; come back to sanctuary, and I’ll have another 50-60 water waiting for me. No matter where I went, every time I fast travel to sanctuary, there’s more water waiting.
Waiting and sleeping won't affect IGT, but fast travelling does. The way you do it is the way most people doing this would; don't know how MSV didn't know this.
Yeah
With the water purifier farm instead of waiting 72 minutes you can also fast travel around the map. That’s what I do I collect my water and sell it to vendors at several different locations and by the time I make it back to base there’s more water to collect. And no it doesn’t take me anywhere near an hour to sell all my water so it’s not passing time that way.
yeah it has to be in game time outside of render distance of the settlement. fast traveling around does advance time, can also fast travel somewhere, sleep 48h and come back
Sleep and fast travel work for water too. Pick water, sleep 6 hours, fast travel diamond city, sell water for cash and items, sleep on your new bought house in diamond city and fast travel again to sanctuary.
Do everything again for more money. When I beat this game I had every item, pretty much infinite bullets and that cure item and 16000 caps. :V
No
I am new to the game and i am gonna do the water purifier method. I ain't go no time to be harvesting like a goddamn settler. Bitch I am the general
You get it
general, I need you to help this settlement. Let me mark it on your map
All i can think of is the guys selling water bottles on the side of the highways during the summer.
When you were trying to select that purifier it gave me titus.
I do the water farming thing today - And your information, although somewhat correct in regards to time. I can run about killing things and questing for about 15 minutes and then I fast travel to my 4 water producing locations and each are usually ready for collection. I get about 1800 water just about every 30 minutes real time.
Also - Along with scrapper perk - You can accelerate your ability to make more purifiers by buying everyone's junk and shipments for water. I'm on day 60 of a new playthrough and I already have close to 30,000 water
You need to wear Agatha's dress or another Char 3 outfit. Black rimmed glasses and Militia hat or Pompadour wig to get your charisma up by 5 points. You don't get Charisma from whiskey. You get it from beer. Mentats is also about intelligence I don't think you get CHAR from Mentats
Actually one of the best CHAR items that I always use on big deals is the Grape Mentats. You will need a mentats, 1 bottle of whiskey and 2 hubflowers to craft it, I think. Its easy and it boost a lot your CHAR
@@raphaelmacedo4467 I started making Jet Fuel too. Thanks for the tip on CHAR!
@Scrufboy! yeah grape mentats give you +5 CHA. And whiskey is used in the production of Grape Mentats, thats what he meant
@@alexoelkers2292 SADFACE - Water trick won't work now - I restarted with some serious mods and now I have to have the purifiers manned with settlers. HA! - But yeah I knew what he meant. Thanks!
@@Scrufboy yeah I never thought of it as a exploit or scam. All the water in the common wealth is irradiated and unhealthy to drink. It would make sense for some one with the infrastructure and materials to come along and make a extremely successful business selling purified water to the common wealth.
Water farm is just objectively better and easier once you get it rolling. Better ratio of caps for weight, scales to a higher amount, doesn't require settlers to be assigned, doesn't require running around to gather, etc. Just open your workshop every few days and move all water to a separate container. EZ-PZ!
The only advantage of melons IMO is that the only resource you need to plant melons is... melons. So you can get it rolling right away without needing to scrap anything, and (assuming you have settlers) you can double your production with each growth cycle.
Agreed.
If you daisy chain all the generators and then chain all the purifiers and connect just one generator to one purifier they will all be powered. Just a tip for when you're having trouble wiring anything that takes multiple generators/components
"Fertiliser is not a renewable resource"
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lol
Junk collecting settlers for plastic, and the Brahmin dude. I have so much jet it's insane, and you get xp making it too. Thousands of jet lol. It's for when you have lots of settlements, mid to later game it's perfect.
Ok, slack. U need to learn a new word: I-N-V-E-S-T-M-E-N-T. Investment, not scheme. Scheme implies cheaty and get rich quick.
And I'm sure u must know by now... fertilizer... yes, it IS renewable.
What about a jet farm and producing your own fertilizer then sell to the one that’s addicted in the vault for 75 caps
Bossmanplayz Morale win and caps win.
Win / Win I would say.
could have easily stretched this video to 40 minutes... just redo it and add 10 more minutes of cons for water and 10 minutes more of pros for water Mellon... very biased video but thanks for ur time... water is the way to go
You have to take into consideration your settlers. they need to drink water too. So, it's not going to produce and leave how much water you have set up.
the water purifier idea is best done at the start of a new game cus all the quests and exploring you have to do
Solution: build tons and tons and tons of water purifiers in each settlement and supply link them all to gain access to all the collective water in all your settlements across the commonwealth.
also: mods
How does one supply link ( forgive me I got the game like 2 days ago)?
@@seanhohn8728 You need the "Local leader" perk. Then you just walk up to a settler and press the button prompt (It shows up near the bottom of the screen) Then send to whichever settlement you want. Hope this helps!
Still, you still need all the materials and wish that the vendors have enough money, soooo, melons still looking pretty sweet :)
@@Mpqtelevanta not really. Just use water to trade for anything instead of caps. I haven't used caps for money in a long time, actually since I carry around the water lol.
@@Bael_KnightMage well, you still have to think about the cost for that. And you will have to spend a long time searching for stuff to make the water thing worthy. With melons you can do that really fast early on in the game. You just need to find a couple of settlers and melons (and it is way easier to defend that, which means that you are going to be attacks less often)
Pls stop calling it money! Its 2277, we trade in caps!
i just make drugs, i'm the heisenberg of the commonwealth
My comment is only about the footage in the video. The reason you are getting uneven distribution of water from the purifiers is because of how you have them wired up to power. In the footage, you are turning them on at separate times, linking them to separate generators.
Wire all the purifiers to each other, then wire them to a switch. Build all your generators, wire them together as a group, and then hook them up to the switch. So that you only have two wires going to the switch, one that leads to the purifiers in a chain, and one that leads to the generators as a chain; doing this will keep them all on the same timer.
I know this footage was shot in January of 16, so I am not going to comment about subsequent DLCs.
interesting - you're saying that the power affects the timer. I guess you have to turn them all off then on again with the one switch to reset them to start together?
That is correct. Also, when entering or leaving a town with a strange configuration of machinery and generators, it is important to flip the master switch off and on once to get everything in town resented for when you leave
I know this is 3 years old, so this is for anyone that stumbles on this video. Fertilizer is renewable as hell. Resources, miscellaneous, brahmin feed trough. Brahmin will continuously produce fertilizer.
And even if they didn't, the margins on making Jet from fertilizer shipments is still pretty good.
i figured this out 2 weeks ago but if your doing it the lazy way with shipments you seem to need pretty high charisma and i like this cuz with the perk to ignore addiction to chems
jet is a powerful combat item if you dont need money
@@lolmanmagee2785 I personally get hopped up on Psychojet.
Why doesn't anyone use the nuka world chem dispensers!
@@thomasc9789 I'm working toward that with a new Survival mode character.
Plus making jet earns experience. Farming water or melons does not.
Yeah I'll pass I get 900+ water daily
id say melon farming is great for lvl 1-25 or 30. the water purifier farm is meant for late game. mine makes 750 water every aabout 40-60 mins. and for my charisma gear it makes amazing money to get whatever u need for ur build. or just weapons like big boy or if u have Far Harbor u can buy all the legendary marine armour with little effect.
Nah, 12 large water purifiers by level 8.
Lmao I get to lvl 8 right out of the vault. Just scrap everything and build fence post shelves or toolboxes
@@magicalgoat3530 then why make melons at all? When you can make caltrops, rubber mats, and wood shelves to get to level 30. Oh wait ,I level up doing quests and fighting and have a stupid amount of caps. To each their own.
Just make Poison Caltrops at an Armour station they sell for 40 caps each and you can make a few thousand in 10 mins.
I was going to post about this. As for the perk cost to get chemistry 1 and cap collector 1, this method is also useful to level up as making poisoned caltrops also gives XP!
Oh and vendor reset every 48 hours in game even when you sleep or wait.
Also companions like Piper gain affinity whenever the sole survivor gains XP.
I have a playthrough were I am looking at half a million caps, level 80+, Piper's affinity perk, all the unique gear from Diamond City merchants, home plate bought, and I haven't even been to sanctuary yet.
watches video : *does both*
Same
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER WHEN FARMING WATER is to REMOVE the water from your workbench EVERY TIME it replenishes and PUT IT IN A SEPARATE CONTAINER (cooler, chest, whatever). My regular water restock is around 700. That’s 700 purified waters every day which when you accumulate them for three or four days is more than you can spend or sell. But if you leave them in the workbench they do not accumulate. You don’t get 700 on day one and 1400 on day two. It just sits at 700. But when I remove them and store them somewhere else another 700 show up. I have my water level in the 800s I think. I’ve got a shitload of purifiers.
Nerd outreach Program thank you dude, didn't know that part of the technique, good advice
Melon farm needs a huge time investment to double melons over and over and also attract enough settlers to tend to them as farmers, without them they grow 10x slower. Water arguably requires less setup
"Jet requires fertilizer and fertilizer is not a renewable resource". Yes it is. It is produced by your brahmin. I don't know how you would get much brahmin very fast though.
Andrew shaw how do you get brahmin?
@Rxberttt thanks
@Rxberttt I don't know either I think you set up a supply line and then set down a feed trough.
Just but bags of fertilizer and scrap them BRUH
@@mastertrey4683 really? Wast caps on fertilizer when you could buy ammo,armor and guns.
In my opinion selling jet is better because all you need is to get a couple Brahmin and then scrap some plastic and you have hella caps
the reason the number of water produced seems random is because any settlements you have connected with a supply line will share the water resource if the settlement is water deficient; or at least that's what I've come to understand
whats the point of making melons/water then going to diamond city to sell to get tons of caps but not buy a single thing?i usually have a side jet business so i buy bags of fertilizer and some junk and meds/amno occasionly
The vendors have more valuable things than caps. When I sell my junk and other items that I don’t use I always buy up the rare items that have components that I need. And ammo and fusion cores.
This. I buy the rare junk, stimpacks, radaways, and then caps. If I get caps, that's okay too, but its an afterthought.
You know my settlements have 1st world privilege when I spend money on prewar junk. My settlers are too good for your dirty plates! I must supply them with CLEAN ones! Tsk tsk!
The production of water is also directly impacted by how much you have in your workshop, both water and generally anything else junk included. What makes water ridiculously strong is how much of it you get when it's not only a thirst heal but a health heal, when even though 40 health doesn't seem like much, opening a pip and then spamming 3 or 4 waters is a good chunk of health and replenishment for thirst to boot. It's more than caps.
The water purifiers are better. Between Sanctuary, The Castle, and Taffington Boathouse I can make +10K caps per day. The biggest problem is enough vendors to sell it all but with shops in each settlement it's doable. Anyway, that's 2000 watermelons and 200 settlers to produce the same money. By using water instead of watermelons you can use the watermelon settlers for shops and make even more money. Water is King. Just remember to remove it from the workshop daily or it won't respawn.
ok ive been playing this game for a while now. i have 600+ water in sanctuary and 999 in noh~ beach and about 700ish in merkwater. and around 700 in the taffins boat house or whatever its called. if i fast travel sanctuary to merkwater then to the boat house and then go norh~ beach. by time you fast travel to buncker hill goodneighbor and diamond city. then you go back to Sanctuary it will be restocked. not that i need it as i can make 20000 caps worth of water in a 20 min run.. so you can in fact get money whenever you want. you just need to do it right. + once your set up with water you can just sell extra to get more parts to make more water purifiers. and i sell the purified water 20 each by getting the first perk under charisma called "cap collector"
StrigB33N see this is what knowing what your talking about and doing looks like lol i make over 30000 a trip or i get whatever i want from the trader sometimes just buy all they have and after i make my rounds amongst my settlements ive got more water
Yeah you ABSOLUTELY do not need to wait 72 mins real time, just leave by fast traveling around. run to red rocket, sleep, etc. I get over 500 water like every 10 mins real life time
he grown melons over mutfruit. ive 20hours and even i know how low iq this is.
Every playthrough, I usually have 10 - 12 industrial water purifiers going. Sometimes I'll set up a side melon farm at Sanctuary. A water farm is very resource hungry, but it is well worth it. Highly recommended. Check out the industrial ones, if you have enough to make a few, it takes time, but it does produce a goodly amount of water.
About the jet. There is a NPC in the institute taht buys all the jet that you bring him. The fertilizer is produced by the brahmin that you have in your settlements. You can have upto 3 brahmin per settlment ....
just looking at the pick up all those damn melons make me tired... I'll stick with my water :P
Lucy stops buying melons after you complete the Locket quest
Water farm and Vegetable component farms are all you need to just play and enjoy the game
No idea why he refers to water farming as a scam
It should probably be racket, and yeah, it's a bit of an odd choice seeing as even within the game logic, there is a massive need for purified water. Personally, once I got a bit into the game, I stopped needing to make caps as I've got like 30k at the moment. Early on I was mostly selling water and spare food, but over time I've been saving money by making ammo and selling basically all the weapons and aid that I come across.
I think the one nice thing about melons is that you can grow them anywhere, so while you're waiting to open up a workshop in a watery place, or getting the stuff to build the purifiers, you an be growing and selling the food.
I was going to comment about it being weird he referred to it as the water scam.
It’s just basic economy. You make what people want and sell it. Doesn’t matter if it’s in real life with a factory making shoes to sell. Or in game making purified water to sell to people in a world where water is full of radiation.
set a load of these up and stockpile it to use as currency by buying the expensive gear and items and offset the cost using the water for essentially free stuff
Good video. You've fairly convinced me that melon farming is the better way to get caps.
I have a couple of issues with it though, that you didn't mention. So maybe add these to the con list.
Most of these issues are play style issues, but one of them is at least a game mechanics issue.
The game mechanics issue is the reliance on Lucy for it to work. Should Lucy ever get killed, or gets mad at you, or as another commenter pointed out, if you finish the locket quest, then any of these will break the system. The water purifier money making system has a lot more game mechanical supports so that it would take a lot in the game world to break or prevent the system from working.
I have two play style issues. First is game realism. I don't think even a radioactive mutant melon plant can fully grow a new melon in a few in-game hours that you mostly spent fast traveling. It also presumes that Lucy has an infinite cap supply. You're essentially taking advantage of the rapid growth of melons for it work, and the fact that Lucy's dialogue option doesn't do a check for what is actually in her inventory. If you do this, you're profiting off what is essentially a game exploit. So if you're striving for role play immersion, then this method isn't for you. The water purifier system fits into the way the game world actually works. (except for the real in-game time requirement.)
The second problem is also kind of based on immersion, but isn't a realism flaw. It's not even really a flaw, but more of a nitpicky moral observation. It's a product of the implications of roleplaying a character who is essentially running a slave plantation, and exploiting settler labor for personal profit. Given the game's attempt at being an allegory to historical Boston during America's role in slavery, this method of profit is a little on-the-nose of everything the whole Institute versus the Underground Railroad is meant to fight against. That's not necessarily a problem, The world of Fallout is certainly no stranger to themes of slavery and the slave-trade and addressing the moral evil of that institution... I'm just saying that of all the Fallout games this is the game setting that seems make the most effort at putting that issue front and center, as it is pretty much part of the main story arch. So if you want to roleplay as a plantation slave owner, that's fine... I'm not going to tell anyone how to play. I'm just saying, that's pretty much what you're doing, roleplay wise, if you use this method, and the game already has something to say about people who do that; they deserve to be nuked until there is nothing but a radio-active crater in its place. :)
Certainly not. Occasionally I play Fallout4.
All you have to do to get more water is fast travel a few times. I go from settlement to settlement gathering and than make a run at the stores all over the map. I travel with 6k+ purified water because of strong back. Strong back is essential to making the most out of any money making scheme.
Fertilizer is obtained via salvage and brahmin feed troughs its not an amazing source but its not expensive to have multiple brahmin across your settlements.
Nereboreous And then make jet from it. Lots of jet. Jet sells for 50 caps, weighs 0.5 and only needs fertiliser, plastic and level one chemist.
Get DogMeat to get the Cryolator in vault 111 and do the Abernathy Farm mission. Then convert thier farm into a melon farm by replacing all thier crops. Lucy will pay you for any melons, even locally harvested.
Who is Lucy?
@@GamingDad Lucy is the daughter, she' have a short haircut and a plaid shirt and jeans outfit when you meet them
@@googanmcboogie9307 she quits buying melons for me whenever you get allied with the settlement
@@crossrazor ah, okay
@@googanmcboogie9307 it always goes to the “hey i just need to trade a few things with you” and opens up her inventory one reason why i never got into the melon farming. The water has always worked for me put it in sanctuary and sell to trashy carla and the settlement vendors and make ada a carry bot with gattlin lasers when im ready to hit up vendors with water sells.
melon farm cons you forgot melons weight twice as much, also you have to pick the melons water all goes to the stations automatically, also water is a decent healer so multi purpose.
Oh. An in-game day isn't 20 minutes? I guess making rounds with fast travel makes time fly. Every time I come back, another load of water and caps is ready to pick up.
To comment on the jet farming you need to buy shipments of fertilizer and if you're lazy plastic too but you need a crazy high charisma to make this possible. Meaning you need drugs and sharp clothing. It's complicated and hard to pull off and your net cap has a chance to go negative if you're not careful. But I guess it's possible. But a way I like to make money is taking legendary weapons and upgrading them to max mods. It compliments my play style well because I like to pick up junk and I pick up EVERY legendary weapon. Big downside is legendary weapons are rare to come by and you need perks. But sense you want these perks in every play through it doesn't matter. But the only thing I really buy is shipments so I don't usually use my caps for weapons....
I wear a clean grey suit and a post boy cap when I sell my water to boost my charisma
Look for Reginald suit, it add 2 charisma
Clean back suit , armored, battered fedora armored, fashionable glasses.
summer shorts and legendary sharp armour items thats plus 7 without a hat
what about doing both?
Started with the melon farm (did open more than one location afther it up), use the caps to buy out trashcan carla and set up some water so i can play (running around shooting mostly) and come back and have a big paycheck. I just trade water for gear. I have no problem with that. wen u lvl up u its easy to carry and dogmeat (or melonbag in my case) can move loads easy to.
Still i see Abernathy farm from time to time to drop a couple of thousend melons @ ones. Its just good caps in the pocked and water i just use for trade.
Finch farm (for melons) and Nordhagen beach (for water) are both cashcow locations if u need to open secondairy.
Mostly i wanna say u doing a great job, explaining some of the things that i don't know and give the game great value.
Haven't been hooked on a off-line game since GTA-SA and u and a other youtuber (Oxhorn for the story-line) made that happen.
Thank u and keep up the great work :3
But melons are heavy, mutrifruit can be packed closer and weighs less for the same price
Can you sell the mutfriut indefinitely
Yes but when packed together closely they are much harder to see, meaning you’ll be harvesting less than what you planted
@@cralix2782yes, to Mr Brown
i saw a vid where someone was making mines, i forget which type, but ammo has no weight, so.....like nail bombs or summit. anyway, you can make machines to make ammo anyway. cut out the middle man altogether.
@@HarryNicNicholas coincidentally, you brought my attention back to this video after 9 month hiatus of fallout
Regarding water farming.
1. it will only produce water once every 24 hours.
2. production depends on the water needs of your settlement AND other settlements connected via supply lines. So if one settlement is not self sustained with water, it will come out of your production. If your production seems low, check your other settlements.
3. water will not endlessly produce. So every 24 hours you need to take the water out of your workbench and place it in a container, and 24 hours later do the same.
You then have loads of water sitting in the container when needed.
I think this only requires a few steps every "day", as opposed to melon farming which require you to walk around picking every single melon.
water stops producing if you leave it in the workbench?
Yes.
if you say have a water farm producing 300 water, it will make 300 water every 24 hours.
But if you leave it in there it will cap out at 300, there will never be more in the workbench.
So take it out and place it in a container.
Next day, you will have another 300 water in the work bench, take it out and repeat.
I have a container sitting next to my workbench with 5000 water at the moment.
I make jet so I can buy shipments of what I need, then make my water purifier. I also set up shops, go do my questing. Then I've got a Ton of water, store caps and sell to my own venders.
Why not both ?
If you're lazy, and won't pick your own melons, melons isn't any better than the water pumps. This was seven years ago so you probably made this before you could have Brahmin. Kind of doing all three, let it stack and check it every so often when I come through town and steal it from the town and put it in the Box. Also, don't just grow melons! Remember to grow the free part for starch and some carrots for orange metals! Also, if you're going to be making jet, you should be doubling down and making ultrajet!
You forgot about using outfits to boost charisma. Reginald's Suit, Black Rim Glasses, and any number of +1 charisma hats will net you +5 charisma while equipped, and all these items are fairly easy to get. Furthermore, if you have the Far Harbor DLC you can get the Dapper Gent, a legendary hat which gets you even more charisma making a +6 charisma outfit you can wear any time you go to trade.
I’ve decided to completely redo this comment in 2022 (1-26-2022) to make it more quick and compact. You don’t have to wait an hour. Just 10 minutes. Build just 1 industrial water purifier using whatever means necessary, it’s worth the caps if you spend any. (Use the water to buy more materials to build more purifiers. Scale of economy 😎), place it, sleep in any bed for 24hrs (mattress for 5hrs at a time until you pass 24hrs) then simply walk past the old north bridge to the broken car and sit there for 10 minutes. It’s that easy. You may see a raider every.. idk.. 10th time? But that’s it. The water will show up, you can place the campfire right on the edge of the bridge where the build limit is as well as a bed or mattress if you’re wanting to “speedrun” this process, maybe set a container next to it for easy storage. (Storages can be moved with stuff still inside them.) but it’s much easier and much faster than the melon farm in my opinion. You could even call it an “AFK Cap Farm” that only requires a check up every 10 minutes. Keep in mind, to find antibiotics, because in survival, if you get infection, you will die without them. Lethargy or insomnia, who cares. Hope this helps you all out!
@Sorry sweetie, you have been debunked. Yep, I can also confirm that sleeping at Red Rocket works too. Just uhh, don’t freak out if it doesn’t work 10/10 times lol even a slight second off makes the thing freak out which causes you to have to do it all again. Either way, 10 minutes is majorly better than an hour!
@@CytrozianGod thank you so much
How much do you get out of your full batches? I have 3 water purifiers and get around 80. Does that seem right? Any way to increase the selling price. I’m just getting back into play FO4 and don’t know much about it.
@@rj_nbk Well, the number scales with the amount of purifiers you have. Unless you use a dupe exploit, which is easily done without DLC, you have to gather the supplies to build each one as is mentioned in the video. Increasing the selling price is done by leveling up charisma and the appropriate perks that make buying and selling better.
Oh, and to answer your first question, I can get around 360+ from a full river of purifiers, which translates to I believe.. cause it’s been a really long time since I’ve played Fallout 4 lol.. over 10 purifiers?
Use both. Play on survival. Loot everything. Sell everything.
I don't get hung up on my water production. I have a small water farm. I get 75-100 water per game day. I also am not watching the clock. I take the water out of the workshop and put it in a red toolbox. Then I wander off on a quest or just decide to check out a particular location, or even make a run to a certain spot to collect certain items as loot. Sometimes I get into a fight and sometimes I don't. But I'm generally gone for more than a game day. If not, and I have no water in the workshop, then I wander off again. There is always a bunch of chores that need my attention especially as you get more settlements, because crops and water is automatically put into the workshop and that draws the attention of attackers.
So, if you do NOT manually harvest the melons they are NOT stored in the workshop ? If I have a regular garden which includes melons, they appear in my workshop, minus a few that I assume got eaten.
Melons are good to get enough capital to then buy shipments for water farming. This is particularly useful for survival play throughs. I usually wait until I can use the vertibirds before going hard on the melons to get water farms running in a few places.
I just make tons of Brahmin troughs everywhere and use cages (razor grain which I grow) to load my workshops with fertilizer...works pretty damn good for very light sellable product. I carry like 80+ of it around on survival mode and it’s cash on hand brah.
Get a bunch of Brahmin everywhere and if you grab salvage plastic is abundant and easy...
If you complete the quest where you retrieve Mary's locket for Blake, you can no longer sell melons to her.
I know this has nothing to do with farming but set an artillery up in hangmans ally,(also be allied with the minute men) have artillery signal flares, and start throwing your flares at enemies.(if your wondering no this will not work while in diamond city)
Personally I wont build/spend junk to make Caps, I just get the scrounger perk levels to find more ammo... to sell what I dont need, plus I pick up dead enemies guns to get their ammo and sell them plus the guns so I get thousands pretty quick and as I use the 'Spray and Pray' I am soon able to buy from Cricket outside Vault 81 or outside Diamond City. It takes .45 ammo so I buy it from Carla every time I see her, plus chems I dont use I make and sell.
ditto. i have WAY WAY too much stuff i picked up, traders don't have enough caps to keep up with "apparel". i keep stuff in bins by my workshop in sanctuary, i have thousands of items for selling i just picked up from firefights. and bins.
When the wire & the target go white the wire can be attached. No need to try & attach it over & over & over & over again...
You can also buy large shipments from the vendors and use the water as trade to even it out.. you don’t have to go straight to caps
I tend to do that, I try not to ever leave the vendors with any caps when I'm done. But, at a certain point, there's no shortage of caps. I've got over 30k right now, I don't even bother collecting my veggies or water at this point as the bigger issue tends to be having enough caps at the vendors to make it worthwhile.
Thanks for not noting that this doesn't work after you make Abenathy one of your settlements. Yes there are mods to fix Lucy, if you use mods. I don't and wasted a ton of time setting this up.
Lol i feel bad for you
Thank you for saying something i was wondering why mine wasnt working
What I remember is resting does make the production work...but only if you are in ANOTHER area! So if you rest at one farm...say the boathouse...then goto sanctuary to grab water...they will be there. Also drop your water in a seperate container, if you leave it in the normal storage...your settlers take it!
i have six "metal drawers" by my workshop in sanctuary, one for water, one for excess ammo, one for excess weapons, one for excess aid, one for excess apparel - i think i have over a thousand items in the weapons tin - i'm OCD on collecting, i don't think anything has been lifted though - it would be hard to tell i suppose!