Stadium Arcadium - CD vs LP - STOP THE LOUDNESS WAR!
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- I've made a little comparison between the horribly overcompressed CD version of 'Stadium Arcadium' and the brilliantly done LP version mastered by the legendary Steve Hoffman. Change to high quality, check out the differences, and buy an LP tomorrow. Sign the petition, stop the loudness war!
Steve Hoffman re-mastered 'Stadium Arcadium' for the 4x180gr vinyl release with great care and the result is unbelievable. The material got a totally new sound and turned into a brilliantly mastered record. Warner Bros. have already ruined the band's previous materials, in particularly 'Californication' with bad, noisy and crunchy mixing and mastering. 'Californication' was loud as hell.
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The fact that you can easily hear the difference in a garbage quality youtube video only reinforces the point.
The LP version sounds much more natural. I can imagine that the band is in my room, but listening to the CD version I can't. Loudness war kills music.
ok, for some folks who don't get this allow me to make a simple demonstration. You have a sound that looks like this: V, now you brickwall limit the sound and it looks like this:\_/. You have chopped the bottom off of the signal. It doesn't sound the same. It's distorted, and once it's gone it cannot be recovered. So instead of being sharp it's dull. And your doing the same to the tops of the waveform. There's no definition. Why pay for lousy sounding music?
You're right, it's called distortion, not over-compression.
Proper dynamic range really does make music come alive. Digital compression just suffocates it.
It's crazy, cause the oversaturated guitar part on Dani California, and the really loud parts of Hump De Bump and Dani California sound really cool in the crappy master. But no doubt the vinyl version is cleaner
Difficult to tell with CZcams quality, but just listen to the drums. The LP version has some kick, while CD version just melds into the rest of the instruments.
This video just made me want to listen to RHCP
what's sad, is that the loudness war made people think, that CDs are shitty, crunchy and distorted, whereas LPs great, warm and full of dynamic range. the truth is, CDs can sound much better than LPs if properly mastered - check out some CDs from the 80's, they are mastered wonderfully, to get from CD all this format can give.
The guitars sound much more organic on vinyl
I gotta say: When listening to CD, it sounded like something that you record out of front 80's TV set. And to the Vinyl Record version, it sounded... well... I had one blessing feeling in my throat, it made me smile for a second, it makes me feel good even now! The thing is, I own a Vinyl player and pretty good library of LPs and gosh, when I compared one The Beatles CD with The Beatles LP, it was pretty big difference!
So yeah, please, music companies: Make those songs as they should sound! THROAT BLESSING! ;3
Really? you heard all that? that's amazing!! especially as the vinyl version you heard had been processed from vinyl, through an audio interface, into a daw and then onto a youtube video format.... very digital
Yep that's pretty obvious. I wish they'd re-release the Steve Hoffman master on CD. The same goes for their other recent albums (esp- Californication).
While loudness and compressed dynamics my be bad for 'popular' music today this doesn't mean it should apply in the same literal way for the heavier and abrasive genres of music , in fact loudness can add to the abrasiveness that those genres thrive on as long as it doesn't clip.
Now let's take a look at the CD version of Dani California, in the Chorus the overall sound is more impactful and gives us this the guitars more abrasive and have this gritty characteristic to it missing from the vinyl version which I suspect is not entirely a result from the mastering but I will keep that aside and assume it is from the mastering, this is a satisfactory characteristic for an abrasive and powerful sound but is not applicable for ALL other tracks on Stadium Arcadium which the mastering engineer failed to realize.
Another interesting example is Metallica's Death magnetic which needs the loudness but unfortunately the mastering engineer brick-walled the album to death to point where almost every second the audio clips, now that is loudness not done in a proper way in an abrasive genre like metal.
Loudness and minimized dynamics in abrasive genres is I believe subjective, it is a characteristic that can be adjusted to particular requirements and this is pushed as a dilemma only by those who find abrasiveness an unattractive characteristic which I see alot here down in the comments.
you are missing the point here. its not that loudness is bad, some sections of the song need to be at top loudness, the problem is that when every sound is as loud as every other, it takes all nuance and emotion out of the music
This is a great example of the mind set of mastering engineers that create CD pre-masters. It's not the media itself!
There is a time and place for compression and limiting, but not on a mix that does need it, trying to tailor it to a perceived idea of what will sell.
Back in the 60's, Capitol engineers took the first Beatles masters and added compression and reverb to perfect mixes for American record buyers. This is the same presumption when creating a CD pre-master. Nobody wants this!
Hoffman's master sounds a bit 'muddy'. The brighter EQ on the CD version suits this track. I just wish it wasn't a square-wave master.
Yes, i can hear a difference. But, jeez, seriously, big deal. It ain't THAT bad. The way some people on here are going on about it they might as well be saying they reckon John F used the wrong gauge guitar strings, too light, shoulda used 11's........ hey, at least it's not oasis.
This is a good example. Because the CD versions sound louder, a true comparison would mean to bring both versions to the same RMS level. To mimic that, I listened to the CD example, then raise the volume at the beginning of the Vinyl example for equal apparent loudness (about 10% for me).
@stratocat9999 I feel pretty confident that the decision to make the CD insanely loud came from producer Rick Rubin (same guy that made the decision on Metallica's Death Magnetic) and not the mastering engineer. Almost every mastering engineer I know (myself included) would rather leave a little room for the tracks to maintain a bit of the dynamics.
3 major things about the vinyl version here. First one is that it has been digitized and then compressed over youtube. Secondly and probably the most important of all. We have no idea what turntable was used, what stylus, catridge and headshell were used. Whether it was set up correctly or not, nore do we know the hardware and software used to make the digital capture and whether that was done correctly or not. Thirdly, we're not told what condition the vinyl was in when it was recorded from.
Taking all of these variables into consideration, it's next to impossible to make an informed choice as to which sounds better.
I'm listening on a Mac Mini & Sony MDR V6 cans and I much prefer the Hoffman version. I understand the variables you mentioned but I always test different mastering treatments (even those I EQ juice in Audacity myself) by raising the volume slowly and listen for any non-linear harshness and jumps in high frequencies like snare drum and cymbal hits.
Even on my LoFi system Hoffman's version doesn't hurt my ears. Nice and smooth highs which will always sound louder. I do the same test on my car audio system I custom installed myself. And the Polk 6x8's are merciless when it comes to reproducing high frequencies and Hoffman's version I know will not hurt my ears when I crank it up.
@rosskolnikov I meant that If you rip vinyl to a CD then compare the CD with the Vinyl tracks to the original vinyl, there won't be a big difference. I didn't mean to compare the CD with the ripped tracks to the retail original pressing of the CD.
The lp version has more dynamics. You can hear it in the voice too, especiallu in the 2nd song.
@l3v3e cd and digital formats are fine, aslong as the producers keep the dynamics. Bjork 'debut' is a brilliant example of a cd album with a huge dynamic range :) however i partly agree as these albums are few and far between. Coldplay's ROCBTTH and x&y are two prime modern examples of albums being ruined by the loudness war!
@cleanmusic213 It doesn't make much sense either cos CD has more dynamic range so can get louder without overcompressing but everyone wants CD's to sound like everything is just below 0dB at all times.
@InfamousPR
The point is that with the cd version heavy compression has been used to increase the perceived loudness of the recording. In this process the difference between loud and soft is decreased, which means that the recording feels stifled, plastic and has the life removed.
The vinyl master has preserved the original recordings dynamics and clarity.
eg. Listen to the clarity of diction in the vocals on the vinyl.
The is a mastering issue not a format issue.
@l3v3e
being a big fan of high def digital, I have to say that generally a good vinyl contains better sounding music, and I am convinced that the reason is the medium's limitations. To master for vinyl you better know what you are doing... CD tolerates (apparently) all kinds of inconsistencies that simply wouldn't translate to vinyl, for example high freq harshness (usually an after effect of over comp), low freq on one side only, etc.
Since I recently found out that there is an alternate and much better mastered version of SA out there, I've been wondering: Are there any other albums where this issue happened? Like where the digital was mastered very differently than the vinyl? Better or worse or the other way around? I'd really love to hear them if anyone can point me in the right direction!
See dr.loudness-war.info
i think most albums sound "different" on vinyl, just because you can't get away with constantly brickwalling the music
i haven't done a direct a/b comparison (because i honestly don't care enough to) but i recently got a vinyl copy of the black parade and to my ear it sounded a lot more dynamic than the CD
Apparently it's all in the cutting of the lacquer master disc, where the flat tops and bottoms of a hard limited or even clipped waveforms are displaced and turn into spikes. If you really zoom in close into those waveforms you'll still find the flat parts, they just aren't where they used to be in the digital master.
This usually makes for a less harsh sound on vinyl, since the random grab bag of higher harmonics is somewhat mitigated. At the same time, it doesn't necessarily sound more dynamic, even if the DR meter gives a much higher readout. So checking the loudness database doesn't help in any way to determine if something got a separate master for vinyl.
For example Gorillaz' Plastic Beach was definitely cut from the same digital master as the digital release, yet Empire Ants gives a DR readout of 11dB for vinyl versus 4dB for CD. Appart from obvious EQ changes (more bass on vinyl, less top end [it's really too much on CD]) it doesn't sound much different in punch and detail.
On the other hand, I have a pressing of Dream Theater's Metropolis p. II which I am unsure about being cut from a separate master (wasn't advertised as such). Overall DR readout is 11dB vinyl versus 8dB for CD (most tracks are 7dB, or even 6). In this case EQ differences are minimal, yet detail and PUNCH are much more present on vinyl.
What really disturbs me is how little people even know about the loudness war being an issue. And if they know, they don't know what it's about or that it's still happening to ~98% of contemporary music. When David Bowie's Blackstar is more smashed than Death Grips' new record and no one gives a single fuck, you just know people are desensitized as all hell by now.
That's because you're told that vinyl is warmer and more dynamic, it's total bollocks.
These Chili Pepper albums are hugely successful and the "low quality" sound does not deter from that. I personally like the CD versions better in this video. The 2nd version is more bassy and less sharp.
been listening to this with Sennheiser high end headphones, and the differences seems to be that the LP version sounds muffled, smooth and somewhat dark, while the CD Version is More Clear, Open, but also screechy and aggressive. Can't really say which i like more.
+SDSMint Are you seriously listening to a compressed youtube video to talk about vinyl? If you actually listened to the vinyl then that would be different.
+madsav0 vinyl is always more compressed than cd, technically.
In the 80's I owned various Marantz CD players, then a Micromega then a Roksan. But my brothers cheap Rega Planer TT always sounded better. So after spending a fortune on CDs and players the CDs are locked away in the shed and the players are sold. I got so frustrated trying to get rid of the awful digital/harsh sound that for years the hifi wasn't used. Now I stream music off my server + DAC and try not to analyse it too much, but on 'special' occasions I dig out a vinyl to play on my Roksan TMS.
It´s the same with everything else we have nowadays. I truly believe the most people around me simply consume music and are not really "listening" to it as you mentioned. Maybe they listen a bit to the lyrics and the message of the song in some way but not the quality aspect of the production/mastering itself. I have and love both vinyl and digital music btw.
It's all in your head
@RHCPFreaklolNEW The world isn't ending no, but it is still a great annoyance to people who care about audio quality.
I appreciate both and would like both ie a vinyl master without the vinyl. Overall I slightly prefer CD as the vinyl reminds me too much of the bad old days: it is muffled.
@xargos Not necessarily. The transition to digital audio was the catalyst for it to be easier to ruin. If the people in charge would pay the delicate attention needed, digital COULD sound just as good as vinyl, if not better in some cases. Your point is very valid though.
Be nice to hear a CD of the remastered version. CD is capable of double the dynamic range of an LP. Remastering does NOT mean compressing jasongatt1986. Try a remastered Beatles album - you'll be surprised.
the fact is that most people have no idea about music, but they like it louder. 99% of ppl don't hear the artifacts that come from this type of overcompression, so it is advantageous for the record company if they have the record mastered this way
@Satlam Often the blame is up to the artists that want higher and higher masters; a lot of mastering engineers have claimed to be against loudness war, but they have to fulfil the customers requests.
I did finally find it and it is fucking great!!
This is because the actual volume that comes out of your speakers for both versions needs to be tweaked so that the average volume is about equal. If they were left stock, the CD version would be very loud and the LP version would be very quiet, making it impossible to compare. Of course the LP version goes higher, this is because it actually has peaks and valleys. It should also go lower more often than the CD version.
@AeroVortex92 I did exactly that and you are wrong in that assessment. The CD medium actually has the ability to deliver MORE dynamic range than does the lp, but choices made by the mastering engineer meant that it didn't get pressed that way.
Glad people are talking about the loudness war.
I can't listen to the Chili Pepper's Californication album any more because it just literally gives me a headache no matter how loud I set it! The music itself is great but the compression just destroys it.
It's such a shame.
@agarcia2995 You need to watch in 480p, otherwise there is almost no difference.
JUST CAME ACROSS THIS AND HOPE ALL OF YOU G+ERS LISTEN TO IT. A COMPARISON OF A LOUD CD MASTERING VS A VINYL PRESSING FROM THE ORIGINAL TAPES DONE BY STEVE HOFFMAN, ONE OF AMERICA"S MOST RESPECTED MASTERERS.
IF YOU HAVE GOOD EARS YOU SHOULD CERTAINLY LIKE THE VINYL SOUND BETTER. IT'S NO CONTEST, IMO. FROM RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS STADIUM ARCADIUM.
Only thing that is missing in the Dani California Vinyl version is some high end sparkle on the overdriven guitar in the chorus. The same thing i find in the Metallica's DM GHIII -version. I believe that the guitars have been left dark on purpose so as to allow digital clipping to create te harmonic content and not sound instanly horrible.
Still, the vinyl mastering is better by miles and miles.
Vinyls sound better because onto it goes a different (better) master (you know that). CD's get the master they get is because its a digital medium, so its the same master that goes to the radios. Although CD's have better dynamic qualities. I hope you know this.
@mrbouncelol Isn't that what a volume switch is for? If you like loud music you can turn up the volume switch without completely destroying the audio quality.
Will someone explain the difference to me? I honestly don't hear it, except the higher volume on the CD.
Great video, thanks...
@InfamousPR Apples and oranges.
@42317
Now, is that clipping effect (combined with the overuse of dynamic range compression and limiting) audible to you? Maybe it is, maybe it's not. However, to many of us with REAL amplifiers and speakers as well as an ear for how the music is really *supposed* to sound, it's downright "offensive" for lack of a better term. Personally, I cannot listen to this for more than a few minutes, without actually feeling PAIN - and that has nothing to do with how loud I have my volume control set.
I've got this album as CD and I loved it. Until now, because I heard the LP version and I've always been a LP collector. Especially Dani California sounds so much better as LP!
@42317
(yea I know this is an old post)
What CDs do you have, and when were they made? What kind of music is it? This trend with CDs started taking off around the mid 90s, and has steadily gotten worse. In the past couple of years, they've even resorted to BRICKWALLING! In digital recording, you CANNOT go higher than 0 dBFS, PERIOD. There is no headroom, beyond that. If you try to, the loud peaks quite literally get "clipped" off, which creates extremely unpleasant distortion.
So which digital format can imitate the exact vinyl sound quality, or isn't there one?
I usually listen to it on wav file or WMA
these must have been mastered waaaaay differently cause it's not just the loundness that's different, they sound darastically different. Imo, the CD one sounds way better, but that's just how I hear it
I hear non-linear midrange drop out @ 200-500Hz in the loud version making vocals shrill but the bass sounding much better. Reading a bit on analog output of clipped digital sine waves above 0db on some CD players with filters, I've found/heard the sharpest peaks (highs) go off the charts but bass waves become wider. The mids suffer.
Tweaters with harder/smaller surface area can take the spikes, woofers benefit from wider waves: throw tennis ball vs a marble at paper, which tears it?
@RonansRecordingShow Producers are the mastering engineer's bane! But I have known some mastering engineers that go by formula rather than ear. If you want to hear a reall horrible example, check out Paul McCartney's 'Memory Almost Full'. It sounds like it was recorded in a closet. Perhaps Sir Paul's ear is going?
Processing is necessary to a degree in most situations, but not so heavy handed! This is as a bad as LP's mixed for FM radio in the 70's. Remember the original Eagles releases?
You all are crazy! In the car, cassette with the chord thingy plugged into the phone is the way to go. Sounds just like it did back at Monterey
@Satlam
And I bet this WAS NOT Meller's decision. It's well known, that mastering engineers are actually often PUSHED to do this kind of thing, by the very companies they are working for.
That's *PART* of the reason why it's called "The loudness war".
Guys, what is the difference in AUDIO in 240p, 360p, 720p on CZcams?
Any difference or identicalities 240/360 and 720p?
Does anyone know?
The transition to digital audio can be thanked for this mess. With vinyl, mastering had to be done more carefully to make sure the stylus could properly track the record. While the total available dynamic range was lower, the amount used was higher.
"Warner Bros. have already ruined the band's previous materials, in particularly 'Californication' with bad, noisy and crunchy mixing and mastering. 'Californication' was loud as hell. "
This was corrected by the 2012 vinyl pressing cut by Chris Bellman. It's better than the "unmastered" copies that everyone had to get after they heard their CDs in 1999.
@stratocat9999 It's interesting, becuase the sound is being made louder for the people who don't really care about the sound quality, so if that's the case, why not just make it more dynamic, since the teeny-boppers aren't going to notice a difference? It's like Greg Calbi says, it's pointless, why do people in the CD market force think that if you've bought two CDs, you going to enjoy the one that is loudest more? It's stupid.
hmm I just want to make sure... Can you back that up?
STOP THE LOUDNESS!!!!!!!!!
@xargos We had great sounding CDs back in the '90s. Throw on Soundgarden't Superunknown sometime and marvel at the depth and richness of the sound. There's always been an arms race in the music business; it's just that the last decade has seen this "loudness" (in truth, compression) obsession has completely taken over in the last decade. Now, music sounds just horrific. And I do agree with you about vinyl, and thankfully the LP versions of albums will sound more dynamic than the CD.
how does this not have copyright claims...?
what about the Indonesian cassette version, does that use the "CD" master...?
Not all cds are like this today... Check the dr database for the cd before you buy it.
It's not clipping or peaking at least?
@mvyper
Sometimes, it is the artists. But most of the time, it's the brilliant folks in the marketing departments of the recording companies. The real sad thing, is that it's not just the new music. This exact same treatment is also applied to popular mass produced remasters, of what were once AMAZING recordings, from the 60s, 70s, and 80s.
@markuscc
I agree. as I said, record companies will keep doing this because most people only hear the increased volume (percieved as increased impact), and can not hear the poor quality...
I'm not saying that's a good thing... In fact, that's a terrible thing. But that is what's happening :p
wow. theres an effect on his voice you can hear from the turntable version that is 'smooshed' on the CD version.
Not an effect (assuming you referring to Dani California ), it’s just dubbed over creating a layered effect, but you are right, it’s smooshed on the CD version.
listening to this through an Xonar sound card with Sennhiser HD650 headphones with a suitable gain settings. I am watching the db levels and the CD versions do not reach the same heights as the vinyl rip versions.
Yes the CD ones do sound compressed but I think there are some sehnagagans going on with the way the recordings are presented to the listening audience.
My opinion that the vinyl ripped versions have been made to be louder then the CD versions just to accentuate the authors point.
I can't hear the difference, please someone help me
I do not hear the difference here. Infact the only albums I actually can notice a problem with the loudness on are Californication and Death Magnetic.
Fortunately I found a download of Californication that is UNMASTERED! AND IT SOUNDS BETTER!
What shocks me is that Vlado Meller is still allowed anywhere near high profile releases (he's a "Senior Mastering Engineer" with Sony?!).
There's one very important point that might be forgotten here; Radioplay.
The truth is, record labels want stuff compressed to death so they'll sound as similar/even as possible on any radio system, plus you can't have people going "hmm.. that sounded kinda soft and timid compared to the previous track".
So it goes. I agree, it is a shame, but let's keep in mind who pays for the recording sessions. They are the ones to blame.
Actually, the radio stations do this anyways. They compress their own music before they send it over the air. Radio stations have to get rights from labels to play the music anyways. Why not send them a special compressed version of the song for radio and release the uncompressed for everyone else? That way, radio stations are happy, listeners and fans are happy.
Radio isn't the reason. As tinyman392 said, radio stations apply their own compression. The reason is that the labels expect that if you play a competitor's CD followed by their CD and without adjusting the volume control, their CD will sound less rich, so they try and go louder and louder.
Thing is, with the digital audio of today, we have ReplayGain and Sound Check, which makes that obsolete and makes the brickwalled audio sound less full. Personally, I apply ReplayGain (album gain, usually) to everything on my computer and use a script to convert those values to Sound Check values for iTunes.
Metalllica's St Anger and Rush's Vapor Trails are two albums that were ruined by the loudness wars/bad mastering
OMG i could really hear the difference on the Dani California song... the drumpunch were clear voices are clear everything is clear :O damn
Why did you not match the levels?
You kiddin', mate? Some could easily say the vinyl is a remixed version of the album, such big is the sound difference...
The LP has a better sound... I am a recording artist and REALLY hate songs that are over compressed... The LP sounds more natural.
@MrDemilord I don't think so I used my headphones and the loudnesswar version cymbals sounded the worst...
true it does sound better. that fuzzed out guitar sounds sick! gotta find this LP
Even though I listen to 12 € Sony Earphones, the Bass is a lot more significant in the LP Version.
However I have to agree with 13eastie
That's what volume knobs are for. Heavily compressed music will always sound sound much much worse on the same listening level compared to music with good dynamic range...
i can really hear the difference in my left ear with than trumpet!
Links for RollingStone and Performer Mag in description are down.
Does anyone know if RHCP I'm With You part of the loudness war?
LPs can't be mastered the same as CDs because there are more limitations on volume when pressing records. If they were to try to press the loud mastering of this CD on an LP, the needle would jump out of the grooves from it being too loud. Therefore, LPs can't become victims of the loudness war like CDs.
The first song sounds too overwhelming/harsh to listing to, the LP sounds better.
Do you happen to know the average RMS level of the Vinyl version for these songs?
Like I said... I have managed to get the LP Rip and the quality is great ;-)
Its 700 MB .wav per CD, so it fits perfectly well on 2 CDs like the original one!
CDs reflect exactly what the artists recorded in the studio. Vinyl distorts it. Some listeners honestly feel that the defects vinyl introduces somehow make it more attractive or "warmer." But from any objective standpoint, there's no justification in calling the sound of vinyl records "better."
The masters used for vinyl are in most cases quieter and less compressed, making them sound better. If the same masters were used for CDs then they would sound better than vinyl. Unfortunately that is not the case because of the loudness war.
Yeah, Steve Hoffman is great...say, where'd my master tapes go?
well we are comeing back to cassette and lp now but they overcompressed cd and digital formats too much.
Stadium Arcadium on Vinyl is sick
Unfortunately most people are happy with their shite mp3 sound.Until people start caring about sound lazy techj as I call it will continue to F&&k with sound.Im so glad I am old enough too appreciate & remember vinyl.Ive played so many records to youngsters whove maybe got the cd or mp3 of a band & they ALWAYS hear things that they didnt even know were there.Obviously a good stereo helps,but once again people are obssessed with having everything shrunk.Cant beat seperates for sound quality:)
I don't know if someone else does but I have like a "pros and cons" opinion of both masters. I mean, the first master (CD) is really freaking fucked up in clipping, I mean, in the chorus of Dani California you can hear how guitars start losing a bit of frequencies cuz it starts saturating; but... it sounds cool to me inside the song itself (the mastering) avoiding of course that super hyper compression, cause if I compare to the second master (LP), it sounds pretty quiet, really nice, no clipping, really well kept but in EQ for example sounds... heavy. It has more bass in the whole master and all the lower frequencies seem to be really up and that kind of loses the clarity of the song. For instance in the first one guitars sound overcompressed and clipped but in the second you almost can't hear its presence for the loud drums and bass.
So... I'm not staying with any of those both
I agree, there are pros and cons. I think Hoffman's version of Stadium Arcadium sounds excellent (CD version obviously sounds at its absolute worst here). However, Dani California - having that gradual rise into the sudden "bring it full" distorted chorus, it really could have used more compression in the chorus (and not a whole lot - just didn't hit me the way I imagine it should, although that's completely subjective). Obviously the Dani California CD version is garbage - another casualty of the loudness wars. But fuck it, who cares if over half of the drum hits are clipping and our guitars are so compressed they're devoid of the colorful tones and wide dynamic ranges that make them interesting in the first place. We're going to have the next hit record and god damn it it's going to be in your FACE so much so that you can't possibly tune to a different radio station.
You are talking complete shite! clipping and losing guitars in frequencies due to saturation? super hyper compression?? do you even know the difference between compression and EQ?? who the fuck are you kidding? you're talking total bollocks about a subject you have no knowledge of
Before being loud, rock music is supposed to have enough dynamic range that it rocks. If the drummer pounds harder to emphasize a beat, but you can't tell because EVERYTHING has been made equally loud, then the expressive quality of the music is lost. As others have said, you can make it louder by turning up the volume knob.
hate to be the wet towel here, but i dont see too much of a difference, i think perhaps because i get off on the feel of a song more maybe
but on cali i can certaintly agree 'Saviour' burns my ears, always have to turn it down
So does the Loudness war not apply to LPs? What if the modern LPs are mastered just like the CDs?
The loudness war affects modern vinyls too.
The most amazing is when i listen old LP like Boney M it's sound awesome but when i listen new LP like electro stuff or New rock album it's sound louder too, cause now, we can have much more loud sound in new LP master, but the rules of Stereo is always the same than the older LP album, that's why a vynile master must be made by real sound engineer, but CD have rule's too and those brickwall of sound, must be banished. The fault is of the Radio Station and TV that want louder and louder sound.
Perhaps you should DO some research before stating that as a fact...There are SEVERAL tools available for ripping and converting your vinyl to digital/MP3 format and then burning it to disc.