Madeline Soto Documents and More Jennifer Stuff.
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Good guys are not sleeping in beds with other peoples children. Disgusting message.
Right? I dont know any man that would even want to. It would make a normal person uncomfortable.
I didn't see the humor when you were saying woman can't trust any men besides the bio Dad. This kind of crap has been happening for years and it's not going to change when porn is everywhere
It’s even more disgusting that Sterns groomed Maddie so much, that she thought what he was doing to her was normal and that’s obvious with how much she called and texted him. This whole thing is sickening
Yes for real I don't think Jenn didn't know I don't care what anyone says
@jaimecurtis me either absolutely no out for mother if you can even call her that just unacceptable and I am sick of Gray acting as though she is just dumb.
She was too old to be sleeping in his bed even a biological Dad they SA biological daughters too. The pervert should have slept in a sleeping bag, pallet or on the couch next to the bed not in the same bed it’s like when kids get too old to be spanked. She should have slept in the bed or next to the bed not same bed
Gray, your audience has a lot of women who were molested as children, some from their biological father. It's something you know nothing about. Can you try to not run them down for feeling the way they do. Especially please dont tell them that they are embarrassing. Come on, you can do better than that.
Why are you arguing semantics? It doesn't matter if you trust someone. You don't let your child, who is a underage girl sleep with a man that you are not even married to or dating. I think you're trying to argue semantics bc you feel triggered as a male
but it doesn't work in this case because Jen wasn't even dating Stearns at this time!!! Make it make sense?!!
No sleeping with ANY male at 13.
Exactly. The fact is that this child was assaulted for years and eventually murdered so yes, she should've been more vigilant.
It’s not about suspicion. Most men who do this were trusted people in their lives. Children deserve to be protected.
There are always signs some desperate women turn away and ignore or enable like Jennifer
Listening to your comments has me very perplexed.
I'm tuning you OUT!!!!!
Bye!
I'm out.
He wasn’t her stepdad . He was her mom’s on again off again boyfriend
we know.. but Jenn even called him the step dad etc. We all know that.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates yes but you keep acting like people are over reacting by saying how ridiculous it is that Jen allowed her teen daughter to sleep in the bed with her on again off again boyfriend .
I can’t believe Vinnie has this guy on his show 🥴 what in the actual fck?
DUDEEEE. I think this every single time. I can’t stand this guy.
As a mother who is marrying someone who is not my kids dad. Its about being SMART AND AWARE. Watch for signs. Pay attention to your kids.
What are you saying? No. Men don’t sleep in the same bed with children. Where are you from??? respectfully.
I'm wondering the same, but disrespectfully
This guy is so out of touch OR his own moral compass is also broken. Undeniably disgusting idea. I would keep my kids from GH too.
Sorry - but some biological fathers abuse their kids, too. Use common sense, parents - check the new person in your life out, but don't get paranoid. Lot's of good people in the world.
sure, I say just don't date anyone...they can't be trusted right?
@@GrayHughesInvestigates come on now. That's kind of ridiculous.
Jennifer enabled him
The mother ain't no victim the only victim is the child
I swear they did this together she corrected SS on what she said Maddie was wearing the white croc was in the dumpster along with the 🎒 she was involved
@jaimecurtis yeah she involved
The actual people investigating and prosecuting this feel differently.
They only redact victims' names, and both Jen and maddie were redacted.
I also just wanted to add, predators and criminals in general can be very charismatic & cunning. Even the most vigilant mothers and others can be fooled.
Jennifer Soto is a “Negligent Mother” FL Law 4 Elements of Negligence Are:
“Duty Of Care” “Breach Of Duty” “Cassation” “Damages”. Makes no difference if SS groomed Jennifer, she had a duty to be a loving, nurturing, protecting, Mother, She failed which led to poor little Maddie’s horrific SA & Murder.
💥BOOM💥
So silly to think it's not ok to date or marry if you have a kid. That's so ridiculous. There are biological parents that do the same or worse to their OWN CHILDREN. JENN HERSELF basically handed Maddie to SS.
How about if you had a little girl she was three let’s say, and your wife left you and remarried. Would you like your three year-old daughter sleeping with that man while the mother slept in a different room?
no, but that's not the point. see all of you miss the point. it's scary actually
@GrayHughesInvestigates what is your point then? That mom's arnt to say it, but the dads are?
It’s not just moms that need to be careful and protect children, that’s all
Of course most men are loving and trustworthy
I do understand what your saying I guess this case was so preventable it’s hard to not be outraged
I do enjoy your show and appreciate all the work you put in. Conversation are always good even when people disagree
What is the point of the annoying, immature sound effects?!? It's a "turn off" for me... literally.
go cry elsewhere
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Kids shouldn’t be scared to sleep alone after a certain age.
If you don't agree with Gray, he'll let you know how uneducated you are. 😆 🤣 😂 😹 🫏
16:19 Relationships are built on trust. What I love about my husband is that he is trustworthy. We’ve known each other since we were 18. His character is beyond compare. So blessed.❤
In Florida, child neglect refers to a caregiver’s failure to provide essential care, supervision, and services necessary for a child’s physical and mental well-being. This includes neglecting to provide food, shelter, clothing, medicine, and failing to protect the child from abuse or neglect by others.
Legal Responsibility:
Laws regarding child abuse can differ by jurisdiction, but generally, parents and caregivers have a legal duty to protect their children from harm.
If a mother was unaware of her boyfriend’s abusive actions, she might not be directly liable for child abuse. However, the legal system may still investigate the situation.
If a mother knew or reasonably should have known about the abuse but failed to take action, she could face legal consequences
Investigation and Evidence:
Authorities would investigate the circumstances thoroughly.
Evidence, witness statements, and the mother’s level of awareness would play a crucial role in determining culpability. I am sure they are investigating whether JS or anyone had a suspicion and should have protected this child. GRAY I am sure you have researched this as well.
I am with you on most of your opinions.
You're doing a video on a serious topic. You diminish it by the stuff you delay the video with. For example, the boots! When a person like many who don't have time for all the extras well, it's a waste of time. Sorry I don't mean to be rude just pov
Gray: Jennifer never called 911. It was either her sister or her Aunt. - Susan Burns
she was probably too distraught
On catch up here. People saying that the bio dad is the one who should be trusted more just need to look at little Harmony Montgomery. I remarried when my kids were young, he was great with them, there was no sa going on. Just like anywhere in the human race, there's good and bad, the " title" doesn't matter.
Omg just found this well I am rucked with laughter at your thumb nail of thanks needed that 😀
The best idea is for mothers to talk to their daughters and literally scare the shiz out of them when it comes to men. Make sure they tell you if a man touches them anywhere inappropriate. No matter what he says he will do if you tell his secret.
The rigor mortis timing is interesting. She may have been stiffening while being driven around. As he moved her to the trunk, her hair sweeping down may have made her appear limp…
Her knees were bent in the passenger seat, also in the trunk. It makes sense that she was found in a semi fetal position in the trees. Her legs wouldn’t have been able to straighten out at the time of dumping.
My father died when I was six. My mom dated a lot. Based on the terrible abusive experiences that I had to endure while growing up, I never left my girls with any of their five step grandpas (my moms varying husbands) or any men other than their father as they grew up.
There’s dads as well that leave their daughters with people they supposedly trust who also are SA or killed in similar situations. No I would not leave my daughter with anyone else period! I find no humor in this at all!
THEY ALREADY KNOW HE DID IT..HE WILL NEVER COME OUT AGAIN..DONE
If you’re desperate for a vape they sell them at gas stations now. He would know that.
I genuinely appreciate your ability to discern and not just jump on a collective bandwagon to shame and blame. Thank you for not ju.mping to conclusions or being accusatory and shaming single mothers who date. Your take throughout this case resonates with me so much because I share the same perspectives. For clarity, I was a child victim for over a decade, and then I was also a single mother for a few more. So I can relate to so many layers of this. And I am therefore personally holding back any condemnation towards Jenn. I personally do not believe she was involved in any way. I believe Stephan groomed them both very well, he's a true narcissist. I believe he also drugged them both at various times. I believe Jenn most definitely is suffering a nightmare and I can't even fathom her pain right now. If anything comes to light to prove me otherwise, I'll eat my own words but I believe he manipulated her and Maddie both, (her family didn't like him) and he had her convinced that they were wrong about him and he was right. I assume he played a woe is me card and she felt sorry for him. Time will reveal more and thank you for keeping a level head about this.
I agree, usually the primary grooming victim is the parent to facilitate access to the child.
It sounds to me like Jennifer was not bonded with her daughter at all. Didn't she ever sit down with her and talk about men?
Definitely never allow your 13 year old daughter to sleep with any man. I doubt she was scared enough to want to sleep with him anyway. I'm sure that's some excuse he made up. I definitely won't be following you or even finishing this episode. AND it is a good practice to keep random men out of your life. If it takes not dating until they are 18 then so be it. Kids don't ask to be brought into this world. Once you have a child your life is put on the back burner until your child moves out.
His saying he had anxiety the night before to the cops makes me think it happened that night
That thumbnail picture is freaky! Sterns needs to vanish, just imagine hard earned tax payers money will be used to house this monster and others like him, it’s pretty pathetic
It's like people are not born with discernment to see red flags or something
Sometimes bio dad is far worse then step dad. I had a awesome step dad who did NOT touch us & provided for us. I am thankful for my step dad that he came into our lives. May he RIP ❤
I feel an arrest coming for Jenn very soon. Maybe it's just wishful thinking.
Not happening. You're just giving stephan an excuse for his despicable actions. He's to blame here.
And, don't think for a second his defense attorney won't use the publics hate for Jen to defend him.
Gray, I got wondering if he drugged her with something, maybe telling her it was an innocent over the counter med like melatonin. Maybe he told her it was something he took himself and that it really helped him rest with no side effects and wouldn't interact with her regular meds. Whatever med he gave her didn't affect her much, and she tried to fight him off. Since the following morning was so disorganized, he might not have expected he was going to end up killing her. As for Jen, I don't think she participated in the demise of her daughter or knew about it shortly after the fact. I'm sure things became clear in retrospect, especially after seeing the pictures. I agree she was groomed right along with Maddie, but at some point, wouldn't she have thought it was a bad idea for Maddie to be sleeping in the same bed with her on again, off again boyfriend? Maddie was becoming a young lady with a figure; Jen didn't find this inappropriate? Jen needed her sleep...... It had been a big day for Maddie , also, and she would have school the next day. Didn't Maddie also need her rest? Stephen couldn't crash on the couch or get a hotel? It's obvious what the intent was for his visit. A person can sit on death row for many years. I hope I'm alive the day he gets the needle.
My dad slept with me when i was scared but he would lay on top of my comforter with a separate cover and just stayed with me until i fell asleep. My mom did this too. I would get scared during really bad weather or if i watched a scary movie, so it wasn't a daily thing. i was about nowhere near puberty.
So if she didn't normally wear jeans to school, we can reasonably assume she was dead before he dressed her for school. He wears jeans so that's where his mind went. Plus weren't her shoes loose on her feet? They had to be to put them on. Ever tried putting shoes on a sleeping kid? You have to pretty much untie them all the way first.
And about the dog leash....I hope they tested it for DNA. Who puts a dog's leash on in the bedroom? Normal people put it on by the door right before you take them out. I don't remember ever hearing the dog was taken out, but I may have missed it.
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Love the thumbnail1
In this situation it was also normal for the s.. to happen. And a grown man, biológico or not sleeping with a 13 year old, ( men do wake up with ... ) is not ok and should not be normalized, but but with society the way it is, and tv shows, we are slowly being desensitized and taught every thing is normal and everything goes. I dated a guy that cilld protective services alerted me to my 10 year old being groomed by the guy I was dating for 2 years ( thank god) and at first I didn't believe it, but then realized he had lied about somethings that he had told the child protective agency. Anyhoo, I had to kick him out or child agency was going to take my daughter. So grateful for this. And he laughed telling me how he cuddles with his exs gorgeous daughter. Gross . Now had anything happened, we will never know. Yes this stuff is normalized, but that doesn't mean it's a good choice
Obviously, obviously, there are sickos out there, but they are good men too. I was a victim of a child of my mom‘s numerous boyfriends, and when I grew up, sadly, I married a man who was known a nice man, but not a sicko man.I finally remarried at the age of 38 man and trust him so much. Not all men are. You just don’t care about the good ones.
Me thinks you protest too much - obviously it's YOU who doesn't get it.
Amen. I'm out.
Rigor mortis starts in the face i read so maybe she looked officially passed away at that time and thats why he leaned her over more.
You are going alittlle over board. I don't care what you say someone knew in her family they all failed her
I don't care what you say either and no I am not going overboard. The comments people make are that step dads a long term boyfriends are not be trusted ever alone with your child. I say, why be with someone you can't trust.
Way overboard. It's like tunnelvision. Gray has an astonishing lack of discernment with most of the comments and discussions when it comes to the cases he covers. Complete tunnelvision.
Man... I missed the McDonald's poll. Sausage egg and cheese McMuffin
Happy late fathers day Gray
i think it's extreme to say no dating until the children are 18. people with kids are allowed to move on and have a life. i think parents shouldn't have a revolving door of parnters and moving in people they barely know. vet them well, don't rush things and have SOLID communication, and a solid relationship, with your children. i do not agree with co-sleeping, including biological fathers (boundaries). she should've had her own room or her mother should've slept on the couch. there are plenty good men . we just need to vet people as best as we can. some will slip through the cracks because a predator is that: a predator.
Thats why ain't no man meeting my kid until long after we've established a relationship 😭
When you have children; for the most part, you don't date! You're busy....
Thanks!
I like how you are going through this document.
There is no reason for a 13 year old (or at any age >3) to sleep in bed with her mother on a daily basis. If she is afraid to sleep alone still at that age she needs therapy. Or at least a more invested mother who would have made the effort to slowly build off that habit. Like you would do with a toddler that climbs into your bed every night.
There is absolutely no reason for a 13 year old to sleep in a separate room in the same bed with ANY man.
Would you let your teenage sister sleep in the same bed with your boyfriend/husband, when you need a "good night sleep"?
Would you allow your 13 year old daughter to sleep with her 13 year boyfriend in the same bed? ("no touching! promise?")
Jen broke off with SS in december 23. The first time after almost 2 months he shows up and that same night she needs "a good night sleep" again?
If SS was drugging Jen or Jen was taking sleeping pills every night would be a good night's sleep, right?
She only worked 1 day a week, they had roommates (that night too? why did Jen think she might have heard the roommates talking the morning after?)
Did Maddie ever stay at bff's house? Did her bff ever stay at her house? Jen said Maddie did not know where her bff lived, nor did she know her own address.
It is Jen and SS who claim that Maddie couldn't sleep alone, had ADHD, needed medication to sleep also (if I remember correctly). Did she though?
It is almost like Jen did not want Maddie to socialise with anyone but her and SS (and family members).
Jen being allegedly clueless about the abuse, not having even a slight suspicion, not even for a split second, doesn't excuse Jen's decisions.
Zero motherly instinct.
You want good night's sleep? Send you ex(!) boyfriend home. Let your daughter sleep over at your mother's house.
In the document her bff said she would go to Maddie's house but her parents had a no sleepover rule
@@cassiephilbrick1762 Well, in this case thank God for that.
Other than a predator making it seem normal in the household.
@@GrayHughesInvestigatesit's NOT normal to allow your teen daughter to sleep in the same bed as your boyfriend. Period.
I'm just a few minutes in and I've also commented on other creators vids.... these creeps will be good for 450 solid hours to get 1 hour trusted time....
This thumbnail got me.😂😂😂
Thanks
58:33 If Maddie were alive at this time, she’d be asking for her damn phone!!☎️
How does he have $$ if he doesn't have a job?
Love your Ugg boots! Very cool to have an original pair!
Greg the tapes were altered if you really watched it you would see that they put her behind on her face wake up
I wish that made sense
hi gray, watching at 4 this morning,just saw this
2am here in Mesa, Arizona
I'm late but Happy Father's Day Gray !!💙
Madeline couldn't sleep alone, that in itself should have been looked into, and some people can never imagine unthinkable depraved actions like this. I give the mom my support in this situation even if I don't agree. I won't fry someone for unintentional choices/behavior.
A predators come in all shapes and sizes, step parents, bio parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, siblings, cousins, neighbors, friends, teachers, doctors, police officers, pastors, strangers and even children.
You can not assume your child is safe because they are with a bio parent, just like you can't assume a step parent is automatically a predator.
The first step in keeping your kid safe is understanding that anyone can harm them. Another step would be to teach your child about consent (not just sexual but all forms) from a very early age, help them find their voice.
You must also understand that even if you do that, your child might not come forward.
We live in a very scary world, there are TONS of predators everywhere, chances are, you know a few. You're related to them, you work with them, you just don't know what they are doing.
All of this blame game is actually very scary because it goes to show that there are so many people out there who are not informed.
Statistics show, that most of you know someone who is or has been harmed or have been harmed yourself.
When the world is blaming mom and taking the blame off of the actual predator, you are also blaming the parents of every single child who has been SAed. You might not realize what you are doing, I'm here to tell you that those parents are seeing what you're saying.
1:18:42 The new law would serve to deter not people who would commit murder, but rather those who are thinking about sexually abusing a child.
It’s baffling to me that he drove back to the house before “taking her to school“ with her still in the car - WHAT IF HE CAME HOME TO GET THE DOG LEASH (not the gate clicker) and that’s what he used to strangle Maddie- and just acted like he was taking the dog out because Jenn saw him grabbing the leash? I can’t imagine him actually walking the dog while Maddie is in his front seat.. what if he drugged her that night and she wasn’t waking up and he panicked knowing that if she got medical attention for being drugged that he would get exposed for what he was doing to her while she was “asleep “
Dated at least 20 single moms and never have we slept together with her children. It’s so not the norm. The mom puts the child to sleep in the child’s room while I watch TV . Then once the kid(s) asleep we retire to the moms bedroom / just the 2 of us.
I’m loving you talking back to the people commenting lol. 😅 yea I’m on the fence about Jen. I mostly agree with you. And I say mostly bc like you said we don’t have anything else further to really make some real shift to her being a “monster” this early in the investigation. Like we only have this new document. Which btw THANK YOU for going through. I often watch you and Vinnie and LYK while I’m working but also often before going to bed or my naps. It’s very soothing haha so it takes me several views to get through stuff. Today I’m gaming and listening. Anyway, keep doin you.
I like what you did to his mug on the thumbnail... It's an improvement pos
Grouchy sarcastic Gray is the best Gray. ❤️
Jenn doesn’t tell the officer that they talked about how he dropped her off. Yet when she first finds out she didn’t go to school, & she calls Maddie’s friend… she says what do u mean we dropped her off close to school… so she already knew that story. Unless she just didn’t tell the cops he told her that… she seems to have that story down exactly the same as him considering they weren’t together till they meet at her grandmas. That’s what’s weird to me
Gray. Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge
So if Maddie could not sleep alone, did she have to wait until Jen would go to bed? Even at the age of 8? Did she even have her own room, like a proper girl's room? Was her room numbered too? When did it all start, her not being able to sleep alone? Before that pos showed up?
Did she have to sleep in Jen's bed, because all the rooms were taken? Was it a money thing and was Maddie's anxiety just an excuse (made up)? Did SS contribute financially?
Maybe he realized that one of her crocs had fallen off and he went to find it.
1:11:50 Pick up your phone when you pick up your damn clicker, Stephan!! ☎️
You are the best! You have no idea how much we appreciate you
Predators find a way. No matter how much you talk to kids, try and protect. It happens outside of the home to. At their friend’s houses, in stores, movie theaters. You name it. It’s so scary when it happens to little girls. Bio dads do it to. & other family members…I guess the best thing is to teach the kids it’s okay to talk about it and that it’s not their fault. Tell tell. In my case I was told not to tell because my ma thought my dad would do something to the guy that would wind him up in jail. Different times though.
I love your ugg boots gray 😂
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What if he came back to the apt to get the shorts for Maddie. Jenn gives him the shorts. That’s why she said she was wearing them. But she is already gone so he doesn’t ever give them to her.
2:32:47 I’m listening … but replay.👼❤️👼
How refreshing it was to hear your sound reasoning about so many things!!! Thank you 🤗.
You can say jenn was coerced by sterns and the people saying she was in on it will most likely say she got away with it.
This case highlights a lot in my life experience. This creep found his way into life. He’s pretty good at blending in and acting like a normal human being. They are very much grooming and a lot of people don’t even have a clue. Who knows the dynamics of the relationship. But I hope everyone can just realize we have a really good place and channel
Skipping away and singing songs 🤣🤣 On a serious note, the way SS gloats about how much Maddie loves him and how she was looking forward to his visit makes me cringe.
how did stephan call her if he left his phone at home
A mother would know. Father's don't have that sense.
Where can I download the documents?
Offenders always treat children like evidence to be disposed of. Regardless of law.
❤Replay❤
God bless you Gray! Thanks for all you have given for many years now and you are very appreciated.
Sorry to be graphic.. but he rolled over with his 'wood' in the morning. She said get away or something, it set him off as he killed her. He asks calm because he's a predator.
The part with the clicker and returning for the clicker. I feel like Maddie left alive and he killed her in the car & he returned to the apartment to bring her cell phone back home.
I must have missed a video. I thought the take away was to not trust people who wear their hats backwards 😮
Coming from Vinnie politan
Put Stephen in general population 😂. He won't last 6 months Ded man walking
1:51:30 That’s because he was busy putting Maddie in the trunk i. the hotel parking garage. I guess he forgot to tell them that …