The MOST BROKEN Character in Fire Emblem Engage - Jean and Ike Great Aether Combo Analysis
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2024
- I stumbled on this great combo in Engage that has Jean and Ike going crazy with Great Aether, Wrath and Vantage to be almost unkillable and having a LOT of crit. This build is VERY viable all the way through the end game and while it does take a bit of initial investment and babying of Jean, it will pay off in dividends once it really gets going. He is literally a one man army.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
2:09 Growths, Levels and Promotion
9:32 Skills and Final Build
15:37 Showcase and Conclusion
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Anything that allows Jean to be the demonic killing machine with puppy eyes that he deserves to be is a good thing. Ike 100% would endorse this too.
Aka, anything, really haha
I initially took Jean!Tiki High priest for that comical 100 luck, 95 Res, 85 mag to make him anti-armor/anti-magic, then i reclassed to Thief to REALLY get that dex and spd up there with 85 in each. i have since inherited the 15% tiki growths and put Camilla on him, he is putting Yunaka to shame plus nuking armors with camilla bolt axe
I made mine a mage hoping he can get a. Shite ton of magic.
Can he really defeat Red Bowman?
@@destinyshand2049 Is theyu any Builds For Jean as a SwordGeneral. Just asking.
Jean's Dad will have the shock of his life after his son returns back from the war with Ike body build and a Jojo pose.
And jean said to his dad....I forget my training as a doctor, now I am the world number 1 fighter
😂
Nooo, he is a doctor 😂 haha
IF YOU GIVE HIM THE THREE HOUSES EMBLEMS HE GETS AYMR BUT THEY MAKE IT JEAN (mini) SIZED ITS SO CUTE I SWEAR
That's funny, I never noticed that, I have to go take a look!
He's my Three Houses runner the who maddening run. He's a BEAST
OH MY GOSH :D
Love the thumbnail, I was always convinced that Ike could pass for a Jojo character (especially part 1-3) and him being Jean’s stand just proves it
omg it only took me this long to realize the emblems 'are' stands
Emblemo powah!
Glad you like it, my man Cordelini did an amazing job!
You can go in the opposite direction and still make a tanky enemy phase monster. Take Jean, put him on martial master, give him Sorens ring and up bond to 14, equip rexcalibur and watch him nosu tank the entire enemy team due to Flares 100% return from damage from tomes.
My god
I gotta give this a try... I guess the idea is having vantageor hold out as well so you won't die in one hit before healing, right?
@@dambros Honestly i'd suggest putting on speedtaker + pair up and using a speed tonic. Combo's, getting doubled or not doubling back can quickly cause you to lose more hp than you gain. Only if the enemies can literally one shot you do you need hold out since you'll always heal back to full after combat anyway.
I just started messing around with Soren, I'm on chapter 15 I think. He seems broken
I couldn't make it work well so far on my current playthrough even though Jean is stat capped on almost everything. His speed is too low for doubling enemies on ch24 and 1 attack with Rex is around 40 DMG, which isn't enough to kill most enemies.
Jean joins the like of muzu, cyril, and donnel of child villagers who are secretly monsters
Donnelly the OG like my god 😭
@@blackstar4494 He who, in a broken game, is broken.
But they all require investment when you could use units who are already good. Eh. Not worth it.
Don’t forget Ross lol
@@leargamma4912 worth it. They become better than everyone else very shortly.
I agree that Ike actually works best with slightly squishier units. Laguz Friend just isn't doing much on a tank, and works much better on physical glass cannons. I found success with Ike and Panette which is a very popular build simply for mitigating her weakness of low bulk and allowing her to reach high crit rates with Wrath.
Especially if you're playing on maddening where the ai will outright ignore any unit they have no chance of hitting or damaging
@@conorb.1901 I actually find Jade better than Louis for that reason. Because she has worse defensive stats than him, she ironically tanks better than him thanks to having a more balanced spread of Def and Res. She can legitimately tank maddening enemies when engaged with Ike, unlike Louis who either dies to mages, or gets ignored by physical units.
He really does, he can bulk up squishier but high kill potential units to really get the most out of their power, especially ones you expect to take a hit anyways.
He turns Panette into an entirely different unit than she'd be otherwise, but I'm curious who else and what other strats he enables as well.
@@Smuggers. I know Kagetsu is good on everyone, but Ike works well with him too. High speed prevents him from getting doubled, he has passable bulk, and with a forged killing edge he can also turn into a crit machine with Wrath. Other than that, you can do Ike with Timerra and Diamant as well. Generally, it will work out okay as long as you don't put him on a thief or mage.
@@ryang.2907 Yeah, I think he'd take worse advantage of great aether and Ike's heavy weapons, but he'd definitely get a lot of crits and has the kind of bulk that I think ike could make tanky, especially when hard to double.
I don't think it exactly plays to his strengths though, he could probably be pretty dodgy if you made him that way, so forcing him to eat every hit over a unit who'll take hits anyways seems like a loss of some sort.
As a filthy casual I just stuck Tiki on Jean right from the get-go and didn't think about it much until I realized a number of chapters later that Jean was hitting stat caps all over the place and that he's simultaneously a dodge-tank and res-tank. You go, little man.
I readd somewhere that the way Tiki's ring works is by adding 15% to all class growth and that it also gets doubled by Jean personal skill , although I am not sure how true that is
I played my entire hard run with Tiki on Jean and I can at least confirm he is broken ass backwards. Whether that was because of Tiki or not idk, but he was maxing out his stats before chapter 24
Jean doesn't double Tiki's growths, that I'm 100% sure about because even with 95% strength growth as a Berserker, I was missing some level ups there
Close. Jean has doubled class growths while Tiki just gives +15% to all growths, they work together but they don’t actually affect each other.
Starsphere just adds a flat +15% to the growth rates (combined personal/class). It is not affected by anything else, it will always be that flat bonus.
I had no idea the rings even did that, that's neat. Do bond rings do the same thing?
The one I ran the whole play through was Jean + Tiki. Needless to say, I never had one bad level up and Jean became borderline unkillable after a little bit of babysitting him for a few levels.
I am running him as my healer still, but ran with Tiki until i got statsphere, then switched him into the three lords bracelet until Lyn was available(Yunaka had her until Corrin), but i now just send him + louis(IKE) to solo an area, Yunaka and Anna(Hector originally, switched to Soren, might switch to Cameria to get bonus with Corrin) as a second team, and everyone else just goes where more enemies are to get their scraps.
I want to do this but it makes me so sad when he’s not a doctor healer like he wants to be
He's being a doctor by practicing preventative medicine and protecting his allies from damage by killing all the enemies first!
@@LinkKing7 QAQ!!! Is there a certain dialogue he gives when he becomes a non-healer unit?
@@fromnaras "Now i can be a doctor and a fighter" something along those lines. lol
Heal and Kill rhyme. Close enough.
Well there is no need to heal when u can kill all ur enemies before they can hurt ya 😂
The mad lad rises I was waiting for a crazy build video or two given the semi limited slots. This was beautiful
Saw a review, don't remember who, but they said Jean should be left on the bench because his weak starting stats. The moment I saw him and realized he is this game's Donnell, I realized they knew nothing about Fire Emblem.
To be fair this is probably the first unit of that archetype that actually is viable in maddening. Donnel especially takes forever to snowball in a game notorious for snowballing every character.
@@ButterKnight-mg7bg yeah, but Donny had a pot on his head. Soooooo
@ButterKnight 1000 he does? I only played lunatic once, and it took me the same ~10 levels as on hard to catch up.
Mozu would probably suck on lunatic, especially conquest, and I can't say anything about Cyril, but I feel like Donny would clear second easily
@@falxblade1352 Sure donny barbarian can be cool after the 10 levels but robin solo is literally the easiest way to play that game which is why any character that cant immediately participate is considered not worth it. Strangely enough Mozu is considered more viable in conquest than birthright but shes bad in both (unless you have the route bonuses then giving her dread fighter and dragon herbs can just completely catch up on her join map)
Ross best boy.
I found out that Great Aether will automatically taunt every enemy when you cast it because of the 100% get hit rate you put on yourself. So having someone with Lucina and Bonded Shield will help block most of the damage. The enemies only attack the Lucina unit if the Ike unit is surrounded and they cannot find a position to hit them, which is not likely to happen. This combo is my favourite to clean map and farm exp. It helps to have the unit using Lucina to have high avo so they don’t get targeted. Also helps to have Soren’s skill to force a unit to be targeted.
Ah. I completely misunderstood how his personal skill worked.
I leveled him in martial monk for a while and then because he had a high Magic, I put him on the Mage path until like level 17 and now he's a Mage Knight.
He's still an absolute monster paired with Soren. Just goes to show how good he is. You really can't go wrong with him
That's a subscription for me. This is cool. I look forward to any other builds you make.
Welcome to the family, and I'm glad you're looking forward to the coming videos!
For long time emblem fans this is a classic trope the creators make they give a unit a very low base with a ridiculous ability and it can become game breaking,
As soon as I saw his personal skill I knew this was the unit they decided on but I chose to go with little Anna seeing a little girl carrying Ike’s weapons and using either is to damn funny lol
This is essentially the standard panette build if you're not running Lyn for speed taker tbh. I don't like committing Lyn to panette though, since you don't really need to double if you one tap everything, and once you hit vantage range speed is no longer an issue, whereas Lynn can shore up someone else that has a harder time doubling or avoiding doubles like Ivy. (Though I use her on Etie because I have a soft spot for her and she needs the help)
If you make Jean a Paladin he can do it all. Tanks every kind of hit (Magical or Physical) and has enough Speed to double most things
Was literally about to ask if warrior would be more viable when you confirmed my thinking 😂
seems like a pretty fun build will probably try this out when ever i do maddening
Something I learned with pair up on my maddening run the AI will attack a unit if they can back up attack them as well even if they do 0 damage, I did this with my Jade and had a blast just letting her wall/distract problem fast units like sword masters and Griffin Knights on the last map
Had a map with different people in range to be attacked, to my surprised they went for yunaka. I was basically laughing for an easy win(when it come to bosses that aren't alone most of the time I have no idea what to do.).
Jean is basically a must deploy on maddening
lol
Not really, maddening is still easy without him
@@nomercy4834 I wouldn't say maddening is easy unless you're very knowledgeable about how all the mechanics of the game work
@MusicaRain then that's just you, it is easy in fact FE games as a whole are easy because it caters to the casuals, maddening is joke compared to a souls game or MMO like FF with extremes/savage/ultimate, don't get me wrong I still have fun with it but I wish the devs would stop thinking of its player base like a joke who can't handle harder difficulty
@@nomercy4834 Bro did you seriously just compare a turn-based tactical RPG to an action RPG
Also FFXIV savages would be the easiest shit ever if it were single player. The main difficulty of any MMORPG encounter is coordination with the other players.
Damn nice mad respect for builds that dont need dlc, i dont have the dlc so this is gonna help allot, new sub ty
Yep, this is very very similar to the Panette build I was running by the end of hard classic.
I saw he had the potential to become something like this near the end of my hard playthrough, but by then my Panette was already like this.
Though he doesn't get the benefit of her really high base strength and hp, and doesn't have the extra 10 crit and maybe some personal stat cap modifiers.
In my case, I had +6 extra attack with axes as well, instead of vantage.
Since I didn't have quite the group killing potential yours does with vantage/pair up I was using her for great aether, some longbow snipes (she was classed as warrior), and as a kill this unit button with the ~80-100% crit triple digit damage attacks she was getting.
Nice to see other people finding things like this, though I think I'll be making my Jean a halberdier or maybe mage knight for cutting through defenses, since there's only one Ike.
The thing with Jean is that he catches up to the bases of every single unit in the game, including Pannette, and he eventually eclipses them, so that isn't the problem. Pannette has the advantage of the extra +10% crit that synergizes so well with this build otherwise.
Ike is just good I think you put him on almost anyone and you're going to have a good time. I put Ike on Merrin as Griffin Knight with Hurricane Axe and also Geniality+ for ultra tank + flyer destruction.
quick question,should i level up jean in the armor knight class or the axe fighter class? i plan on making him into a wyvern rider but i don't know if making him into an armor knight would benefit him as a wyvern
Dang, that is one meaty Jean. Still not sure where I wanna take him when I do my maddening run, but this is tempting.
I'm curious how strong you can make a martial artist, since the arts have the unique ability to strike twice, they could regain their engage meter very quickly, on top of doing lots of damage when they get more hits in normally.
Yea Jean is a beast kept him as a martial master though I’ll try this out when dlc 4 comes out with the new maps as of now done with engage until then oddly enough I put tiki emblem on him to without thinking just thought it be fun having the kid transform into a dragon
With tiki you can level up jean from 1 to 20 in one chapter, just trap a bowman put one that can't attack from that range and make jean heal him, it will grant him xp + refill fusion gauge allow to use the tiki special, with marth it grants you 30xp each time
That was my exact reaction to Ike's Great Aether lol
Love this
Love your stuff
Thanks friend!
Well looks like I found my Jean build for my next playthrough
Quick correction to something here that I didn't see in the comments already:
You should always, always use master seals to promote a unit before you 2nd seal. If you use the 2nd seal 1st, you have to spend 20 levels in a base class. In Jean's case, you spend 10 levels in monk and 10 levels in fighter before you can be a berserker. The promotion path would look like this:
10 levels in Monk -> 2nd Seal to level 1 fighter -> 10 levels in fighter -> Master Seal to Berserker
However, if you promote him at level 10 to an advanced class, you can 2nd seal him immediately to berserker as there is no level requirement for 2nd seal use once you are promoted. This would totally bypass the 10 levels he has to spend as a fighter and because engage moderates exp gains based off an internal level counter, he would actually gain exp faster as a level 1 berserker with this method. Promotion path would look like this:
10 levels in Monk -> Master Seal to Martial Master -> (without levelling) 2nd Seal to Berserker.
The change in growths would get him a 20% higher strength growth for the 10 levels he would have spent in fighter and 10% higher growths in HP and Build. It also gets him access to better weapons sooner and an extra point of movement which is nice>
This tip is true for every character and not just Jean, so it's useful to know. Small tip for promoting aside, I really enjoyed the video! This is a funny build and it looks like it works great, especially if you get him some forges and engravings on those weapons. I bet a forged tomahawk would be incredibly rude here.
At 5:39, he mentions why Jean is the exception to the rule of "promote first, reclass second". It has everything to do with Jean's Personal Skill Expertise, which doubles the growth rates of whatever class he is in.
Therefore, if you're trying to optimize his build, it makes sense to reclass him into something that has beneficial growths since Jean joins at Lv1 and needs to gain those 9 Base class levels before promotion regardless.
As you can see from the timestamp, he gains an average of 5 HP/2 Str/1 Dex/2 Spd/1 Bld over his default Monk class in that short stint in a Base class, making it more efficient to reclass before anything else. Not only that, he is more effective in the short term this way and doesn't end up with a bunch of redundant stats that could've gone into useful ones.
You don't have to train someone to level 10 to second seal them to a different base class. I don't know how you thought that.
You do need to second seal because most classes need you to be either level 10 or 20 in a different base class in order to re class into that class.
Hey man, great build! I'm enjoying myself a lot with it 🤣
Was wondering, have you tried it inheriting the double counter from Hector ? Was wondering about it...
That can work, but you'd lose out on pair up or vantage, and honestly, he doesn't really need it because he one shots most enemies in the game anyways!
You got great videos dude! Just a tip if you want to improve the quality of vour videos even more:
People want it simple, so if you would pack everthing important into a "checklist" at the end of the video or w/e it would be much appreciated, trust me!
Cheers!
I did do a little recap at the end of the skill/build portion because I knew it might be too much, but I do like if people follow my thought process in general, otherwise they might be confused, so it's a bit of a trade off, but I'll keep that in mind!
Most of yall didnt play on maddening CLEARLY. Ike is so damn good in maddening. Some chapters would be extra brutal without him. Easily one of the best emblems IMO
Most people don't start with the highest difficulty yes, but usually they go back for a second run when they're more comfortable with the game
@@LinkKing7 Yet here I am, on maddening classic on my first FE game, 1st playthrough. My friends dared me to go for it and ppl at reddit assured me that it's easily doable. Btw, does Jean's personal skill expertise just doubles class growths? Some website says it's 2x his personal growth or combined. I'm so confused.
@@kaidestinyz Jean only doubles class growths, his personal growth is fixed. He also doesn't double Tikis growth boost, tho as explained in the video they are matching very well regardless.
This is exactly how I set up my Panette. Was one of my best units in late game
Ike once again taking over the protag role as best unit. Is anyone surprised?
Sombron: I have an army
Alear: We have a Jean
If you want to make Jean something else but also have something similar to this that's better than Boucheron, Berserker Amber works well for this.
Amber's Aspiring Hero skill makes him take way too many hits so having Ike's Laguz Friend completely nullify that demerit while also reaping the massive health growth of the Berserker class is definitely valuable. It lets him take advantage of the large +20 hit from Aspiring Hero to make the notoriously low hit rate axes actually smack them while also activating Aspiring Hero naturally since he's throwing himself into battle.
While Amber's health growth pales in comparison to Boucheron and Jean at only a mere 95, his strength growth supplants both of them at 75 throwing in +2 to the Strength cap. Also, Boucheron sucks as a Berserker since he doesn't have high strength but rather has extremely high dexterity. That doesn't work well for Berserker since Berserker literally has the lowest dexterity cap in the game. Boucheron is better of switching to a Wyvern Knight cause of that since it's way too easy to cap out on dex if he stays as a Berserker. It should be a given, but you kinda want the highest strength growth for the highest strength cap and growth class in the game. Amber's stats are more suited to that, and his skill even works well for it.
"We have an army!"
"We have a pissed off med student. :) "
Boucheron will actually be faster in ax classes thanks to his build advantage. That is assuming you want to use anything other than Iron and Hand axes.
Jean's double growths have him catching up to boucheron in the build department based off averages if you look at them again, and eventually Jean will CAP his build, like in my video
When you say + Tiki does this mean with her ring equipped or with an inherited skill from her? Or does either one work, I don't remember what the skill is called but I'm thinking about the one that gives a bonus to stat growths, which is what I think you're talking about here, just want to verify because sometimes this stuff seems to have like hidden requirements that I always seem to misunderstand or misinterpret.
Whenever the starsphere skill is active, so yeah, if the bracelet is equipped OR the skill, either one works, but they don't stack
@@LinkKing7 Awesome! Thank you!
You're a mad genius
I made a mistake with Jean and he’s a level 4 Martial Monk. Is it better to second seal now and do 10 more axe fighter levels, or get to 10 and promote before second second sealing. (I did the latter on Anna, and she’s running Dire Thunder to be viable until I can snowball her)
you can promote him and second seal later, it'll make a difference but it's not unusable
Wait, you can loop at level 20? I definitely had most of my characters at level 20 for probably the last six chapters. At least it was hard mode so I was able to beat it.
In my current playthrough Jean is a magic user because I reclassed Clanne into a crit beast sword unit. I would like to try this build in my next playthrough it looks fun
Alright... Who's gonna tell him how to pronounce the name right?
Came right to the comments after I heard how he said it lol
I know how to pronounce it, I even mentioned it in the video itselffff
Love hearing you mispronounce his name the whole video. But I LOVE this build. You're killing it with your vids my guy
Glad you like them my friend, thanks for the encouragement!
It may be a dumb question but I am not that far into the game so there are still a few things i don't understand. Vantage is Leifs skill. You can inherit the "normal" version by getting the units bond to Level 3. I'm at chapter 9 and Leifs max Bondlevel goes up to Level 10. Does it reach another max Level when I have more progress in the game? I'm confused since the Dlc chars can already reach up to Bondlevel 20. So, do I have to inherit Leifs level 3 skill and later on his level whatever skill to get Vantage+??
Yes, in the second half of the game you unlock their paralogues, and the max bond level increases to 20. I believe if you look at the Ring section in the Reference area it should show them. Not sure if it shows them early on or not but try checking there for more details
@@LinkKing7 Thank you^^
I made my Jean a Halberdier and equipped him with the Emblem Of Rivals bracelet, and boy he’s amazing! Before I gave him Brionac he was equipped with a killer lance, a Rivals Engraved Silver lance, and a spear, and he usual took out everything that stood in his way. But when I gave him Brionac he was a one man army.
"You're going to have to put up with it."
Bold of you to assume I'm not watching with captions to spare my ears
Damn, I didn't know my voice had that effect on people, that's sad...
@@LinkKing7 Not the voice, just the butchering of my boy's name
How do you reclass characters and keep them alive long enough to get exp? With how fights scale I have like 2 units that can solo the map, 2-3 that can survive at least 2 turns, then everyone else just gets wiped out on enemy phase. Clearly I'm doing something wrong, just not sure what.
Give that unit either Miciah or something that enables Staves, or (if you have dlc) give them Tiki? Did that for Anna, and now she's a Griffin Knight and can solo maps. (Started as her base class, went to Sword Flier than Griffin Knight, so she could attack with Levin Sword)
Your my new God now!!!!
I didn't read the entire title before clicking the video and immediately thought you were gonna call out Jean.
Side note, I remember being subbed to your channel back when 3H came out, but for some reason I was un-subbed?
Happy birthday to me Link posted a video great day so far!
Happy birthday friend, I hope you had a fantastic one!
So when you say do level him up. are you meaning do play him until we can do the class change? To keep him at level one? Or can we play him just don’t change anything until class changes?
Just stared the game today.
I would like to know that myself but so far I haven’t gotten an answer.
I think they mean don't allow him to level up before reclassing him out of his base martial monk class.
What if I have my Jean already stat capped as a sage? Will it be too late for him to be reclassed to berserker for this build?
You're probably better off just keeping him as a sage at this point, he can be good in any class though!
No, anyone can become any class and be good. Just might have to use 1 or 2 more seals.
I am confused. How did you promote him from Martial Monk at level 1 to Axe Fighter? Did I miss something?
with a second seal. axe fighter is a base class, so it can be swapped into by anyone with a second seal afaik, so long as they have the weapon proficiency, thus him getting the axe proficiency.
why does equiping tiki give all those extra stat growth percenteges? is it from starsphere?
Yep
Afaik every single character starts with 300 SP, unless there's specific exceptions.
That intro got me like "Yo Jean, drop that beat!"
Wish I knew this about Jean- I reclassed him as soon as I could but would’ve put more thought into it if I realized how the skill really worked. Will absolutely look at this guy differently on future playthroughs, thanks
Can you please make a video for swordmaster or at least recommend the build for it
I'm just curious why you pronounce his name "jeen" and not "zhaun", when that's how he says it (like Jean-Luc Picard). I mean, I can see that it reads as "jeen", but it does also read as "zhaun". Like, I have yet to ever hear anyone pronounce Sean as "sheen". Awesome video though, and it's stuff like this that makes me want to do a second run sooner (sorry to most of my backlog that I've promised to get to).
Damian with Sol, Holdout +++ and Vantage is kinda fun
So I made my Jean a spear paladin with Ike emblem. I had starsphere for the extra stat growth and he's now my powerhouse. He's more tanky than a general at times
*cue in giorno piano theme*
JeanJean!
*Piano theme intensifies*
Radiant Dawn!
Now this is some Engaging content!!
Oh yeah, this was pretty much my first thought when seeing the Ike ring. Not on Jean, I actually kept him as a martial master because I thought it was fun to see him kick the crap out of enemies and he’s one of the few units who can pull off the weird way Arts scale for damage, but I slapped it immediately on Panette and I would warp her into clumps of enemies with a great axe and watch her delete them like it was nothing
Thought; Micaiah ring during leveling up just to burn staves for exp so he needs less babying
You can do that if you're not using Tiki for the bonuses yes, otherwise, it's really not too bad if you let him have the finishing blow and help with chain attacks, kills with those count for him
How do you fine all of the stat growth info?
It's all ons Serenes Forest's website!
I like this.. just like my Jean Axe Paladin Build.. 😁
Can I level him in qi adept or would that be detrimental?
It's less optimal, as shown by the stat comparisons in the video, but in theory you can do whatever you want with him
Don’t characters have personal stat cap modifiers like fates? Who has the highest hp cap modifier?
Hp doesn't have a personal modifier, but yes, they do have minor ones. Since HP doesn't have one, I didn't bother talking about that
@@LinkKing7 oh I didn’t realize everyone’s max HP is the same. Then yeah Jean is the best choice for this.
12:02 yeah, Ike isn’t an Emblem for tanks. Tanks appreciate the mitigation but don’t particularly care because if they’re doing their job right they shouldn’t be taking much, if any, damage already. He is an emblem for an archetype called Bruisers. Bruisers are typically more durable than damage dealers but less durable than tanks and do more damage than tanks but do less than damage dealers (like nukers or DPS). These are characters like Diamant and Pennet.
Which makes sense. In his original games Ike was the definition of a Lightning Bruiser. Fast, Strong, Tanky… he could do it all!
Basically characters like the High HP, low Defense Axe users in the series, characters who's tankyness stems from having enough HP to facetank everything instead of minimizing damage taken.
I made my Jean a Swordmaster with the Lyn Ring and gave him a Brave Sword. He has so much speed, that with the Brave Sword and Alacrity, he can attack 4 times before the enemy can even attack once.
What difficulty are you on?
how know the growth rate of each unit in the game?
Dataminers get us the numbers, but it's also on Serenesforest, which is a great database website for Fire Emblem
Jean apretiation, let's go
i did not get jean chapter 5. how?
also where r u getting these numbers ?
The numbers are all datamined, and you get him in a paralogue that unlocks after chapter 5
@@LinkKing7 the ice stage vs Tiki? im on that now. cant seem to win.
how do you access these numbers?
What difficulty is this? Because thud isn’t viable in maddening unless you come back lategame
It's viable in maddening, you just need to baby him a bit and it works. I'm doing it on hard for ease of leveling and speed, but the unforged Silver Greataxe can be forged and that will cover for the increased stats the enemies have on maddening, otherwise you use Ukonvasara late game and that one shots everything too.
Did this on my first playthrough. Super funny unit
I love Jean’s duel quotes. And then he murders people.
This may be a stupid question but if the growth is over 100% is there any benefit?
Yep, you can hit a +2 on level up if it's over 100%
As a fellow content creator I felt obligated to correct the misinformation present in this video.
Stat caps are based both off the class and the unit's maximum stat modifiers (MSMs); you take the maximum stats of the class and apply the MSMs of the unit (this is how it worked in Awakening/Fates as well), which you can find on SerenesForest under characters maximum stats, not that far off from where you found the maximum class stats you showed (which I imagine you assumed was the maximum stats regardless of unit since there were no MSMs in Three Houses).
If we're going for the strongest possible build, we'd care a lot more about the MSMs than we would character growth rates, as MSMs affect what the cap of our potential is, whereas growths just affect how long it takes to get there. If you're at a characters maximum stats you'd never have to worry about growths ever again, which would render Jean's personal skill useless at that point, as if he is now the one character in the game with no personal skill. I would assume we're talking about maximum potential here considering the initial goal was to hit the HP cap and then this build spawned from that, so I'll be basing my analysis off of what is the strongest regardless of growths.
Calling Jean "potentially the best unit in the game for every class" if we're talking purely from a maximum potential standpoint is just blatantly wrong, he's one of the worst actually. If we're talking about just doing the main game through and then putting it down, never trying to perfect any units, then sure, the argument can be made, but if we're talking the ceiling of potential regardless of the amount of grinding time to reach it, then it is false.
All Jean is is the unit who can most *quickly* hit the maximum stats of that given class, but at the end of the day would actually be *worse* than almost any other unit in the game once those maximum stats are hit, as he essentially has no personal skill at that point whereas every other unit does. It's also worth noting that his MSMs are +2 Magic, -1 Dexterity, -1 Speed, +1 Luck, not exactly fantastic MSMs but alright enough if you put him into a Magic class, since he's gaining +2 to his maximum Magic but +-0 to his maximum Strength. This means his best final class is in a magic-based class, where he benefits from the +2. Putting him into a physical class instead just wastes his potential, considering you've now got a physical unit whose only change to stats they care about is -1 Dex, -1 Spd, +1 Lck, gross...
Let's call this a -1.5 to stats we care about, -1 to Dex and Spd, and +1 Lck which is the least important stat in the game so I'm adding 0.5 instead of 1.
Of the 36 characters in this game, and assuming we don't care about Magic MSMs because we're going for a purely physical class and treating Lck and 0.5, there are only 3 units in the game Jean can do better than (Celine, Citrinne, Pandreo, as most of their MSMs are in Magic). This means that 33/36 characters have a higher ceiling of potential in this build than Jean, or in other words 92% of the cast that's better at this build than him. "The MOST BROKEN Character in Fire Emblem Engage" you say...? It'd be fine if you specified this was for getting this setup online as soon as possible so you can use it for as much of the main story as you can, but since that isn't the case this really is just straight up misinformation.
Anybody watching this video who wants the strongest possible builds regardless of grinding time because you want to take on things like the ultimate Tempest Trials, this is a pretty alright build you could go with, but please do not give it to Jean, give it to somebody else you feel is most fitting based off of 1) Maximum Stat Modifiers and 2) Personal Skill (though it's pretty hard to choose somebody worse than Jean for this to be fair)
Other notes, yes Lineage from the Rivals can increase EXP growth by 1.2x, but it's just a worse version of a main game skill, being Byleth's Mentorship, which affects both the unit and any adjacent units (although it's 250SP as oppose to 150SP). And this isn't even a thing for this video specifically but just helping with Engage in general, but you mention Ike's Resolve+ has helped make your tank units even tankier, but there's an even better damage reducing alternative if we're talking about what skills to inherit, and that's Eirika's Gentility+. Resolve+ grants Def/Res +7 when under 75% HP, Gentility+ on the other hand reduces damage taken by 5. So take 7 less damage when under 75% HP, or 5 less damage always? I would argue Gentility+ is the far greater boon, and could only really see myself running Resolve+ on Timerra (and one other niche case unit) to boost Sandstorm damage as it's based off defence.
Anyway, if you're reading this LinkKing, know that I do love getting to know fellow content creators, so feel free to reach out sometime if you'd like to talk Engage numbers, as crunching numbers of games like this is something I do. Ever since the release of Fates I've been making dedicated excel spreadsheets for each of the FE games I play to compile all relevant information so I can number crunch to figure out what seems to be ideal builds, and turn it into a resource for Fire Emblem fans to more easily visualize the possibilities themselves. I'm not yet done with my Engage sheet so it's not publicly released yet, I'd say I'm a bit more than halfway through, and because of the sheer amount of projects I take on I haven't had a chance to test out my builds properly in game yet, but if things work the way the math seems to imply I'd wager I have a fair few builds plotted out stronger than this. So let me know if ever you want to talk shop.
Lmao, you leave an absolutely obnoxious comment on my video to "correct my misinformation" when all you're doing is pointing out very minute details that don't matter in the grand scheme of things to try and one up my work and you want me to reach out to you to "talk shop"?
I think you need to work on your sales pitch a bit more, maybe worry less about 1-2 stat variations and look at the big picture a bit more.
@@LinkKing7 Huh? The big picture? My guy you made an entire video about a character whose only selling point is that they're the fastest to hit their ceiling when they have one of the lowest ceilings in the game, that's about as far from big picture as you can possibly get. I hoped I could help you out, but I guess not everyone is capable of taking criticism, my mistake
I'm still on my first playthru and I've almost lost all my heroes. The only champions who have been with me since early game are my boy Louis, Carminn, and Yunaka.
whats a good build for alear?
The build I had success with on Maddening was using Alear + Byleth. Their damage falls off a bit later in the game and I found they transition to a support role better. Alear's passive + Byleth exp passive + inherited passive buffs (I used Geosphere+ and Canter) with Goddess dance and Instruct turn them into very versatile support unit. Being able to give up to +6 damage and +9 damage reduction to any adjacent units is pretty insane for hitting one round kos on enemies while being very durable on enemy phase as well.
@@zilaroth good tip! thanks
Honestly? I have no idea, I'd have to sit and look at it, I kept him in divine dragon for the entire game, but he could probably function well as a swordmaster
thats exactly what i did in my first run but with panette instead of jean
this whole time i thought i his skill doubled his base growths like cyril
I honestly underestimated jade, 2nd playthrough and she might actually top Louis so far lol.
My Anna is currently breaking the world with 294 damage crits and 119 hp
How does she have 119 HP when 116 is the cap?
@@LinkKing7 double HP/LCK +10
"punches like a wet noodle" love it lol
And now with Veronica, using those seraph robes makes him even more busted
I literaly found this video, when I was contemplainting the idea of Jean Berserker and type those two words in youtube search :D 60 str growth rate is bonkers.
The like minded people must be brought together, it's 80 though, not 60, at least when he reaches berserker!
@@LinkKing7 Yep, I was counting only berserker rates with Jean's passive, without Jean's growth rates. :)
@@LinkKing7 Also I gotta question. What are your thoughts on Céline sword build, I was just checking her growth rates and her Str growth are Higher than her Mag and she also has quite decent res and luck, Im thinking about turning her into some kind of mage slayer. :D
@@sosspeedy It definitely works, she's pretty flexible in what you can do with her tbh!
If you're willing to put the time in, the weak lil' healer is almost always the most OP character in any given Fire Emblem game.
So you could do the same thing with Pannete without the investment… no sealing required and much less babying. I don’t see the point of berserker Jean when there’s Panette ready to go or Saphir ready to reclass