Chernobyl EP5: Vichnaya Pamyat - FIRST TIME REACTION!!
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- čas přidán 16. 01. 2024
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The way he explains how the reactor got pushed to the point of disaster is absolutely brilliant. Great show. Terrifying in every way, for all of humanity.
No, it is not. It is entirely wrong and murders historical characters whilst enforcing misinformation and lies.
@@elric5371 Okay, Vlad.
@@magicbrownie1357he is right, the show is completely full of lies chernobylcritical.blogspot.com/
@@magicbrownie1357 read INSAG-7 and look at Chernobyl critical blog spot. They are the only valid sources,
@@magicbrownie1357 Succinct and on point, thanks! There is always someone who says No, it's not without providing any evidence. Cheers!
Of the divers, Baranov died in 2005 of a heart attack, the other two live in Kyiv. Water is the best moderator there is, and that combined with the polymer materials of the diving suits they wore protected them from what was thought to be certain death.
Attention to detail: Legasov looks behind the door when he's sent into the holding room. It was a common KGB tactic to have an operative with a gun hiding behind a door to kill someone before they were even seen.
Also there was a drain in the floor. He looked right at it. Rooms with drains were often used for killing rooms, due to the easy clean up.
That's actually fascinating. I had never seen an explanation for their survival until now.
Reminds of Joe Pesci getting whacked in that plastic covered room.
Good to know.
Total masterpiece. One of the best miniseries ever made. A harrowing but necessary viewing.
That little caterpillar was just a serendipitous find at the time of shooting, so they incorporated it as it was so fitting...
"You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Soviet dissident and Gulag survivor.
When you think about this story and the US response to Covid, there are so many overlaps.
Quite true.
If you liked this I have to recommend the 1st season of True Detective starring Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson. Each season is it's own story but the first one was brilliant. It's also done by HBO.
Every day since the Ukraine war I have worried for Lyudmila Ignatenko and her son - who lived in Kyiv when Russia invaded. I don’t know if she or her son have survived. It leaves a pit in my stomach.
She's moved to a remote, undisclosed location in West Ukraine. She and her son moved a few years before the war started
Episode 4 blocked in UK
Although the show mentions it, they don't stress it, but it's important to note that this internal "flaw" that RBMK reactors had would only manifest and become catastrophic IF it is pushed to its absolute brink and limit. Unfortunately, as you can see, people in USSR grew up with a very dangerous mindset of "if there are multiple safety measures in place, it's ok to push past them as long as there's at least one safety measure left to keep things from going wrong".
I was born in Armenia and lived in Ukraine for 3 years, so I got to hear about incompetent mindsets such as this causing dangerous situations. My dad was a flight engineer (I don't believe this position exists anymore, but he was essentially an onboard mechanic so that if anything goes wrong with the plane mid flight, he'd try to fix it) on a commercial airline, and he told me a story about how the pilots were trying to show off in front of very important passengers that were on board and show just how steep that particular airplane can climb, almost 90 degrees. The problem was that they had barrels of pickled products in cargo hold, so when they tilted the plane up, all of that salt water spilled and shorted some wires creating a fire in the cargo hold. Thankfully they were able to put it out and land safely, but this is an example of the kind of carelessness you could expect in Soviet Union times. Sometimes there would be warning lights that would come on and instead of checking it, if it was a "not entirely necessary piece of equipment" as they deemed it, they would simply go on with the flight. They would also often go WAY over the recommended weight limit of the plane - they would illegally sell tickets to the plane on the side to passengers with no seats left, so planes would fly like busses with people standing in aisles. You had to be a hustler in USSR, if you weren't making money on the side, you weren't going to get anywhere in life, so that's how they did it, by overselling tickets off the books.
Growing up in that environment, you just figure that's how the world works and you don't see anything wrong with it. It's not until you get to go to other countries who take safety seriously that you realize just how unnecessarily and idiotically risky your homeland was, and how bad corruption truly is.
No, you are completely wrong. The reactor was pushed no more than it should have been, the cause of the explosion was almost completely design flaws, the show is really bad at explaining how it exploded. No one pushed it to any limits. The only power surge occurred after A3-5 was pressed.
@@elric5371 I'm no nuclear physicist, and I imagine neither are you because if you were you wouldn't be in the comments section here, so I assume that even if you know more about nuclear power plants than me, you still know much less than people who deal with this as part of their job, so I will leave this link to a video that essentially says what I did, that the RBMK reactor in most ways was actually a very clever, cheap way to create nuclear power, if not for this ONE (albeit very fatal) flaw that allowed it to explode IF the staff make it undergo a very specific set of steps.
I.e. the explosion of Chernobyl reactor was absolutely and completely human error and fault - had they followed normal safety procedures and had USSR not been such a corrupt country with disregard towards rules, the RBMK reactor would have worked just fine and we never would have even found out about this flaw.
The reason they sound as alarmist as they do in the show and act like RBMK reactor is essentially a ticking bomb with another disaster waiting just around the corner is because for how high risk of a scenario they create, the level of expectation when it comes to nuclear reactors is that the should be self-regulated, so that even if you get incompetent staff who disregard safety rules, the reactor would still self-regulate and not allow itself to become a bomb.
This is what they talk about when they say "positive void coefficient" - there's a positive feedback loop that can be created in an RBMK reactor (again, only if you follow very specific steps to bring it there) where reactivity increases, which causes further reactivity which increases it further and allows the reaction to increase out of control until meltdown or explosion. The reactors that were used in the western parts of the world had negative void coefficient, so that if the same-ish scenario happened to them, the design of the reactor would balance itself and cause the reactivity to fall instead of rise, thus not allowing it to explode or melt down.
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@@PeterDB90this is my alt account, this video falls with many other lies and misinformation, the only real source is INSAG-7 and I recommend this link here which is a compilation of the trustworthy sources and by far gives the best breakdown of what happened. chernobylcritical.blogspot.com/
@@PeterDB90 this video is full of misinformation, go look up Chernobyl critical blog spot and read INSAG-7.
Based on your review of Casablanca, I think you would love David Lean’s Lawrence of Arabia. Probably the best cinematography ever. A true classic.
This was my absolute favorite HBO series without a doubt. During that time in history, the USSR as it was known then, hid many terrible things going on within the country. If you would like to watch a really good movie, try Citizen X with Donald Sutherland, it deals with the same type of lies that were kept from everyone and caused the deaths of many children. I really feel that you will like it almost as much as Chernobyl.
Citizen X is truly a great show and a great recommendation to follow Chernobyl. Seconded!
Sorry, but as a comment to the 2nd sentence in your post: the same is still going on today in the former USSR! Just check out some of the propaganda their leaders are spewing on prime time TV shows. It's appalling!
Man I missed binge watching Cinema Rules. Thanks for this, man.
I was so excited when you started reacting to Chernobyl, and it's been absolutely great to watch through. Makes me want to watch the show all over again, even though I sat and sobbed for at least 5 minutes straight after the final episode the first time I watched.
Very good and deep reviews! You have delivered on the reaction genre of yt for me. Loads of substance and sufficient providing of important story beats. Watching your channel makes me think more deeply of differently about a movie/show. Great work guys!!!
Really enjoyed this series but I have always had to complaints. In episode 2 you see a helicopter crash while doing an air drop trying to put out the fire after going over the core. The implications is something went wrong because of the radiation. In reality there was a helicopter that crashed but it wasn't till October and it was because it made contact with a crane. The second major error is the Bridge of Death. This is a myth created by journalists. There had not been any real effort to find anyone from the bridge when that story was written and for whatever reason they included it in the end. I understand why they showed the helicopter crash earlier than it happened and while you do see it hit the crane they wanted to show how dangerous the exposed core could be. The bridge was unnecessary.
Vichnaya Pamyat in Ukrainian word for word translates to "Eternal Memory"
It's in Russian also :)
@@adtu21
Nah, in Russian it’s Vechnaya Pamyat’ - the “i” after the V is what makes it unquestionably Ukrainian
The languages are similar but they are still distinct in that if you spell a full sentence, people can tell the difference, and even more so if you say it because pronunciation is different too
Good to know.
Is Tom aware episode 4 isn't available in some regions?
I wondered that too.
That dialogue & explanation was phenomenal - it almost made nuclear physicists of us all! 😂
A stellar series ❤
I loved watching along with you, my friend.
If Sean hasn't seen this I think you should watch it all over again with him, watch his reactions. I've watched it twice and even though I think I was very invested in it I always discovered something, not necessarily new or that I missed but the meaning the second time around was more poignant, even eliciting frustration feelings deeper.
Such a great show. Glad you watched it.
video on CZcams "Russia tells it's version of Chernobyl" is interesting. Most of Russia knows the truth and the military leader who assigned the men to go to the roof is in it. One article says Russia has a movie saying Americans broke in and did it but I haven't been able to find more on that.
Thanks, Tom! ☢ Johan Renck directed this finale episode... I guess he directed them all.
Yes. The cinematographer was another Swede btw, Jakob Ihre.
@@demopem 🍻
Hi! I really enjoy your channel and videos :) I only have 1 question: would it be possible to fix a little bit the sound mixing between the episode and your voice over? Or is it done on purpose that the episode sound is much lower?
Well its not just entertaining , its History. Anything by HBO is also the best I can say. The next series for you by HBO is ROME!
Where's episode 4?!
Good reaction 💯
One of my favourite shows ever.
So is episode 4 blocked in the UK?any ideas as to why?
Because CZcams algorithms are crap sometimes
Best series I've seen
The Bridge of Death is apparently an urban legend.
Well, "It has been reported" does not mean it is true.
True Detective season 1!!
Did i miss ep4 being uploaded?
They put up ep 4 seven days ago.👍
I cant see it either? @brudnick39
Me too, I can't see episode 4
@@boomgames_11 Very odd...maybe it is blocked for some reason where u are? I am in USA and can see it fine.
@@iKvetch558 I'm UK, seems to have been blocked here
Wait where is episode 4? I can’t seem to find it?
Did your reaction to episode 4 get removed? I can't find it
It is my understanding there are discrepancies as to what really occured. I recommend you look into them - e.g., the _Bridge of Death_ is not confirmed. And the story of the fireman's wife is also altered a bit.
Everything is, the explosion scene is all wrong, for one it was toptunov who pressed a3-5, secondly there was no power surge until A3-5 was pressed. chernobylcritical.blogspot.com/
What happened to the episode 4 reaction?
“The Bridge of Death” turned out to be more of an urban legend than an actual event.
Source?
@@tawogtrailers Google "the bridge of death" and go to the site of Chernobyl Story Tours. Thats an interesting reading.
Most of HBO is complete fiction. No bridge of death happened.
@@tawogtrailersResearch Chernobyl buddy, HBO butchers it. The entire episode here does not correctly or accurately depict what happened.
The show gets right that "It had been reported . . .that none survived." That's correct -- that has been reported. But those reports were incorrect, and the show should have said so, like it did when correcting the reports of the deaths of the divers.
No episode 4?
Episode 4 was released last week but we can see it is partially blocked, we are in the process of editing it down further to allow more people to watch it, however this will mean cutting it significantly which is not ideal, we will look to make our full length reaction to this episode on our Patreon page free for everyone 😊
**How does an RBMK reactor explode?**
Lies.
Uh... you forgot to upload episode 4 lol
Can see it just fine here in the US
@@tawogtrailers Not for me, UK. It's episode 3 then Violent Night, then Silent Night Deadly Night, then the entire season of Barry S1 and finally this video.
OK...one last copy/paste...
Welcome to the final episode...well done getting through this show...it is a tough one. I really like the way the makers of the show added the notes at the end to cover some of the things they got wrong, simplified, or made more dramatic...I just wish they had done more of that, or been more honest. For example, they say that "it has been reported" that everyone on the "Bridge of Death" died...but those reports are very much NOT true....so technically, they are being truthful, bur not quite. Other things they do not admit to, I can understand...such as the fact that Legasov was not even at the trial of Dyatlov and company...but it is kind of necessary to turn him into a kind of hero figure and have him do much more than he really did so that the story can be simplified enough for most folks to keep track of.
So now it’s time to fill you in. The information that you are reporting about the Bridge of Death having been safe or everyone not having died, is false. A lot of that information comes from residents who run tours to Pripyat and Chernobyl today. These people make the statement that police cars were at each end of the bridge, busses were the only one to cross quickly with citizens, and nobody went to watch the fire. Now, these busses weren’t brought in until a day and a half after the explosion. The police were not posted anywhere in towns or cities EXCEPT FOR the hospital and the power plant. Everything else was business as usual for this day and a half. Now, I have a friend, Audi, who was there when this occurred. He lost his aunt and two cousins on that bridge, and had the explosion woke him up his mother and himself would be dead as well. I believe that if you’re not going to do, real, proper research about a topic and like you said you are just going to “copy/paste” information, you have a large chance of spreading information that is just false.
And make Dyatlov a villain when he was the main hero… LEGASOV ironically spread loads of lies lol, he was a soviet puppet.
@@elric5371 while Dyatlov did not know that the reactor could explode, he began the test without enough power. He also continued the test, as shown here in the series. Now, again, he was not aware that the shutdown button would not work, BUT it is an emergency shutdown button. He took that reactor to the extreme, it was eventually giving off 10 times the maximum amount of energy BEFORE the control rods entered- because they never made it back in, only the tips did. He took that reactor and stretched it like a rubber band, and thought he had a backup plan (the emergency button) that plan is not supposed to be relied upon. That is the reason he went to prison where he belonged. He was released in 1990, only because his health had deteriorated significantly.
As for what you said about Legasov, you are just plain wrong. This series was accurate. I would love to see any piece of research stating that Legasov was worse than Dyatlov. That statement is just wild. He was named one of the top scientists of the century in Europe. He prevented a massive thermonuclear explosion that would kill everyone from west Germany to mid Russia, and made it still habitable today.
@@joshuacoldwater wrong again, the only power surge occurred after A3-5 was pressed.
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Hacksaw Ridge. It is a 27 out of 10.
I despise missionaries, proselytizers and Western Christianity but Desmond Doss (who the movie is about) never pushes his religion and even to I vehemently disagree with his religious doctrines I admire and love his devotion and how his religion made his a selfless hero.
I haven’t met an Atheist, Agnostic or Christian who didn’t absolutely love the movie Hacksaw Ridge.
The most shocking thing about Hacksaw Ridge is that it is a true story and nothing was embellished. It is an extremely accurate recreation of what actually happened
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We'd all like to think we'd do the right thing and shut the reactor down preventing disaster. But living in a communist regime fosters a different mindset of fear from the state. The state can and will ruin you and sometimes even your family. To me this show did more to showcase the hellscape of such forms of government more than anything else. Like that one minister who used to work in a show factory, favors are given out to loyal party members despite their lack of competence.