British HO Scale Project 4 - Lima BR Class 33 Diesel - Restoration Potential and HO History
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- čas přidán 18. 02. 2024
- A 1970s Lima HO British locomotive which could have changed UK rail modelling but sadly was rejected.
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loved my lima 4f ho set , it was a huge missed oppertunity to make british models the correct scale and guage and although fairly basic lima models were superb runners ,, times have never changed the problem is that hornby are a british insttitution and even when they are obviously wrong the usual crew will defend them , imagine if they had done the right thing back in the 70s and gone HO ,, the range of layout building products would have gone through the roof , vehicles , figures , buildings ,,, i'll guarantee after all the hype about TT120 it will be discontinued and revert back to oo
this is why I am constantly amazed by these super pedantic OO Gauge modellers who fawn and salivate over incredibly expensive, ultra-detailed locos and rolling stock. Rotating axle boxes, classification lights. A myrid of underfloor details you can't see. Perfect replicas of specific prototypes with the correct sound chip to get the proper horn or break-release sound as it was 'pre-TOPS' and then only to plop it on 'narrow gauge' HO track with 1/87 sleeping spacing! Spending the guts of 500 notes for something that is completely incorrect below the buffers. While proclaiming their elite tastes in modelling. Which is fine as each to their own, but don't be looking down on others who run what they like while you are playing with your defacto Narrow Gauge masterpiece.
As for TT120 you are probably right. Hornby getting into HO instead would have done better by releasing a range of HO ferry and channel tunnel stock they could have sold all over Europe as well as the UK. They have Lima HO Class 33 moulds I am sure... A Railroad Range re-release and British HO is reborn in style...
@@ArcadiaJunctionModelTrains I'm glad someone has finally said it. 👍
Great wee video. Must get one of these to go with my new Trix Scottie. I have already repainted two Mehano 66s that pull Roco ferry wagons.
Hi, I enjoyed watching this video, its very interesting learning the numerous variations between 00 and Ho scales and the models produced. Cheers, Paul.👍👍🙏
I've just got back into the hobby and I was looking at HO v OO in buildings and I was amazed at how many HO kits are out there compared to OO. I also looked at some wagons and i have say the HO scale is lovely
I model in both HO and OO as they run on the same track and I try to use buildings and acessories that work with both. My layout is basically a train set and I love all kinds of trains and I run what I like as I enjoy all HO/OO trains DC or AC. My advice would not be to tie yourself too rigidly into either/or and have fun. It's a fantastic hobby no matter what.
Ive got two of these so far, a freebie with some coaches from dad's friend, this one has directional lighting and its quite nice. My other one was a cheap unfinished project i found and repainted in a proper shade of BR blue, stuck some brass buffers from A1 models and a Hornby cosmetics screw link coupling on the end with the coupling cut off, i think those generic Hornby brake pipes you get with every old railroad tooling and those cosmetic screw links moght actually be HO as they dont scale at all with OO stock
Very interesting video. I just received a BR Blue Lima Class 33 from a vendor in France, it turned out to be in 00 Scale. I was wondering how it compared to the H0 version, so now I know!
I bought one last month at a fair for £15 . Runs a treat. Also a body for £2 ! The body width isn't too scale though a bit too wide. Good video 👍
I bought one of the Lima Class 33 in HO to use the chassis under a railmotor I was kit bashing and I was amazed at the size difference to the OO version. I completely agree with you about the lost opportunity of HO. It would be so much easier if everything was HO and all models and accessories could be run together. I live in Australia where everything is HO and it is difficult, but not impossible, to run any of it next to all my beloved vintage Tri-ang. It doesn't stop me from trying though, and some things can fit side by side comfortably. Some of the Tri-ang TC range is a little on the small side for OO and that makes it easier to cross the boundary, so to speak. 😊
Once we are getting enjoyment we are winning.
That's a very nice locomotive even though i prefer USA prototypes, As i mentioned earlier in the comment section of your previous video, If your going to change the couplers you should use Kadee couplers with the 'swallow tail' shank that was designed to fit European coupler pockets, In fact Kadee makes a wide variety of couplers in many different shapes and sizes you can't go wrong, And, thank you for the video.
You are spot on. The O0 snobbery still exists now, the same old twaddle of they're to small , underscale, it's not the HO thars,wrong it's the OO thats the misnoma. UK outline looks so good in HO.
the one that get me is 'HO is wrong' when it is correct! I have seen and heard this statement made over the years.
Totally agree with you on h0 vs TT120. The reason why we are stuck without British h0 is because there weren’t many diesels, but there were a surplus of outside cylinder steam locos, which would jump off tight curves in crude scale h0. To solve this, 00 was invented, just like with TT3, 2mm N, and so on. This is best seen in the first Hornby Dublo loco, their A4. The are are cut-outs, underscale cylinders, and the relatively narrow gauge allowed the movement necessary for trains set curves and points. If that wasn’t a concern (like with how American locos are built to take smaller radii than British and most other European locos, or with bogie locos) than 3.5 mm scale would be a universally accepted and interchangeable system. However, reality has to knock on the door sometime around, and thus, we have only a small glimpse into a British h0 world we never got to see.
Ah I was wondering what the specific reason was - the outside cylinders on steamer - makes sense now. Thanks. Still tragic it remained the norm.
@@ArcadiaJunctionModelTrains a true crying shame that British outline modellers have little choice. It all relates back to Stephensonian principles of trains needing straight and level track, but Americans needed large line quick. British lines were built slowly and carefully, which allowed the use of singles early on, while America went quickly and used more powerful locos. You won’t see a 2-10-10-2 on the ecml!
Good video 👍 I like OO-models too, but indeed, it looks like narrow gauge. That's why I only buy smaller OO locomotives such as the Peckett and the Terrier.
I have the H0 Lima 33 too, in early BR livery, and with a few H0 M1 coaches. The only problem I have with the 33 are its couplings. They are long and large. Kadee or Märklin short couplers might look better.
Maybe I should try to get NEM-pockets on the coupler beam.
As far as the reason why H0 didn't work in the UK: British trains are in real life slightly smaller than continental trains. In OO they are bigger than European H0 models. However in H0 they look rather small: if you compare this
H0 33 with the H0 German BR216 the 33 all of a sudden looks unpleasantly small.
Great video! Cheers 🙋♂️ Erik
what really makes them look narrow gauge is the sleeper distance in HO track. Triang tried to compromise with their Super 4 track but when Hornby took over they went with the same geometry, but American/European HO sleeper/tie spacing.
fleichmann did a warship and bulleid coaches in h0 in the late 70,s.........................jpj
and a stunner it is too.
There was a British HO society.
What with Lone Star inventing N guage, in 1960 and Triang introducing TT3, in 1957, there was already smaller scale options in the UK model railway market.
The British HO society is still going and fairly active.