Why are the Corvette C8 exhaust upgrades so expensive?
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- čas přidán 18. 01. 2022
- We are starting to get quite a few C8’s in the shop now and a lot of calls about doing muffler deletes or “straight pipe”. This video explains why the C8 doesn’t work with those like previous generations of the Corvette.
I’m a car/exhaust guy, but I subbed because of your professionalism. Such a breath of fresh air in today’s all-caps era.
Thank you, I think? Not sure what you mean.
@@mufflertech Hes complimenting your style, a lot of youtubers scream at you in obnoxious voices. I agree with him it's a huge breath of fresh air.
@@bertschmert got it. I appreciate it. It seems being obnoxious and yelling in videos is what gets the big view counts. I also don’t care for this style.
Great video incredible shop and facility.
It was a lot of work, amazing job! I feel excited after day in the garage, mounting Victor racing stat wing.
Thank you for the in-depth detail while explaining. I am fairly new to car mods and know what an exhaust is but not necessarily all the components that make it up and what they do.
Love that y’all are 3 hours away from me! Will definitely be heading your way when I upgrade mine! You can’t cheap on craftsmanship 💥💥
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fascinating to watch you work on this car.
I never thought it was like that. So much work has to be done to get it looking like that. That’s some amazing sh!t
Super informative. Thanks for sharing!
That was an amazing video. The work involved. Amazing how underneath the stylish shell, cars are a thousand mechanical parts (erector set). Sounded much better at the end. He forgot to add at the end a listing on the screen of how much time it takes for this project, the hourly rate, the cost of the new muffler and the total cost of the project.
Thanks for the compliment! We don’t publish pricing as that’s a moving target, especially lately. The total time of install is roughly 8 hours for an experienced person. It could be done faster if you’re less meticulous.
Having all the tools and set up sure makes things easier!
Very nice white HTC. Love the black top and high-wing.
Great sounding exhaust!👍🏻
Very good video. Sounds awesome. Really liked your attention to detail when installing, though it was fast speed I spotted when you were eyeing it up and made adjustments. Shows pride in workmanship.
JD I appreciate that you noticed the attention we spend on line up. It is what separates a good install from a great one.
That’s why I got the high performance exhaust added From the dealership
Wow thank you Great Video
Wow! That’s a lot of work! I just ordered a 2024 C8 Z51.
You’re gonna love it. I got mine in June and honestly it’s way better than I ever imagined!
Well said!!!!
Now I understand why the performance exhaust on my C8 cost so much ... Of note, I use pool noodles in my exhaust tips to quiet the car down when I fire it up at home. Just to keep the peace with the neighbors. On cold start, she sure does bark.
Great video. I just ordered a Procharger and want to do the cat back at the same time. For cost I was considering the paragon. Thoughts ?
And I love the finger showing the bends. Very good job.
We haven’t done a Paragon yet but they look like they have a high quality product. I appreciate the compliment and thanks for watching.
Nice video. Would love to know the weight difference as measured by you guys.
Fun video! And I hate the stock square exhaust tips, so I am in favor of this mod. I usually say, if you like the look from Chevy, leave it alone and spend your money on something else. For example, the mail slots on the LS1 Camaro, yuck, or the ovals on the base model C5 Corvette, puke. Those needed to go away ASAP, ha ha.
Fabulous, extremely helpful video! I have done my research and have decided on the Paragon Touring for my C8. My only hesitation is how involved and invasive the installation is, as confirmed by your demonstration. I have yet to find a technician that I am totally comfortable with to do the work. Can you provide any tips as what to look for in an installer and how I can find someone like you in my area here in northern New England? Thanks!
Thank you! I would do your diligence by asking other Corvette owners in your area and by checking online reviews.
Where are you guys located? Would love to do that with my C8. I'm on Long Island NY. I got the performance exhaust from Chevrolet
New to C8 ownership with my recently purchased 2021. You did an excellent job with this video. Would love to have it louder like my C6 was, but don't think the changeover would be worth the expense at this point. Not tracking the car, just daily driver. Thank you.
I got a 2023 coming... Z51lt2... I'm just going to drive it... And not make any changes.. 🙆
@@skippynj1979 hahah same, my order was accepted last week, I’m waiting for the build date.
You really should let your husband make his own comments
That stock exhaust valve open/close you explained on that aftermarket exhaust in the video (where loud mode is the outer 2 exhaust tips and quiet mode is the inner tips), is it the same way for stock exhaust ?
Same concept but the stock still has all the exhaust flow through the big stock muffler. The valves open a free flowing path through it. The Fabspeed opens the valve as a bypass.
I'm not trying to get anyone upset, just asking a question. This is a very informative video but it dosn't really answer the question. Clearly the installation is more involved but the price of parts remains significantly more costly. I get that C8 systems are all catback where you can do axle back on say a C7 but a C7 axle back plus X pipe is still less costly than a c8 system. Material cost can't be the answer. Perhaps engineering cost is part of the answer but since one of the selling points is that 3rd party systems are less bulky, fitting the system in the available space shouldn't have presented a huge engineering challenge. Anyone have a reason other than they charge more because they can? Are the 180 degree bends that much more difficult to justify the cost difference?
Hi Hank. Thanks for the thoughtful inquiry. Design and R&D certainly play a part in the overall cost. Some of the cost is also attributed to the more complex build vs a standard exhaust setup to a front engine car. Most of it has to do with the number of units that are going to be sold. The C7 and earlier cars had a much larger audience for aftermarket systems and because of this the cost per unit is way down.
Because they can, it’s my vote
What the labor cost to install a awe muffler delete on my c8
Since Cali went hard core with emissions and aftermarket exhaust decibels do you see more variable systems and if so are you allowed to pass the car based on the quiet mode?
California only had one year of the stricter no more “fix-it ticket” sound violation. The law was repealed due to the fact that sound is a subjective matter and law enforcement cannot determine what’s too loud. Even using DB meters that some departments had does not work as they will pick up ambient sound from the environment. As far as emissions, we do everything from the “cat-back” which is completely legal.
God that spoiler is hideous
Well done! What would be the cost to install my Paragon Performance touring exhaust on my C8? Thanks.
Hi Adam, thanks for the comment and watching the video. Please call the shop for current pricing 916-421-0399
Interested in the Carbon fiber intake and throttle body. Would I notice a difference without doing the headers?
Not much
What is the price to do this?
Great video. Is there any hack to manually operate the valves on the stock npp exhaust?
Putting the car in Track mode opens the NPP’s. Even if you keep them open all the time the exhaust still goes through the muffler.
@@mufflertech I understand that. I would like the sound in the other modes. I spend very little time in anything but weather in Washington state in the winter. It would be cool to have a physical switch to open the valves in any setting.
@@thereissomecoolstuff I believe you have the ability to change certain aspects of the car for each setting. If you go into engine sound and put it to “Track” on all of the modes it should leave the valves open all the time.
@@mufflertech I found a remote valve controller. I'm going to give it a try. The car sounds perfect for me with the valves open. This controller lets you do that for $100 instead of $3000.
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It's called the "Corvette Tax" and currently little exhaust competition within the market.... give it time, basic supply and demand.
Excellent video. There's only one thing missing. What is the cost? Part and labor?
Costs on this stuff is a moving target, this is why I didn’t discuss it in the video. Labor rates vary in different regions as well. As of right now it’s roughly $6K.
@@mufflertech thanks for the heads up. My order is in and I should be getting my 23 Stingray somewhat soon? I liked the Fabspeed sound so much from another youtube video that I looked up a local Fabspeed dealer. Fortunately there happens to be one near by. Thanks for the reply.
I wish my mechanic worked that fast. LOL.
Hello, please tell me is there need for valves reconfiguration process like in Borla systems? Or its just plug and play? Any check engine issues?
Every C8 we have done has required the valve reconfiguring regardless of the exhaust system.
@@mufflertech how is it looks like? Can you make some explain? What tools are required ( soft? ) to make it? Any advice?🤔
@@witek1496 we take it to our local dealer to do the reconfigure
Wow,that’s an entire days job.
Great presentation….what’s the average cost to install?
Great question. I don’t typically post pricing online as this stays up forever. The expense of doing business can change. This is why I publish the time it takes. 5-10 hours depending on the shop and their experience and attention to detail. Take this and apply to the hourly rates in your area.
@@mufflertech you made it look so fast and easy. Hard to believe that was 5-10hrs. Looked like 3hrs max lol. But I think that's what professionals do, we make our jobs look easy.
I have a c8 and he definitely right the exhaust system definitely cost. I paid 2500 for mines
12Db difference? Surprised (actually shocked) the fabspeed exhaust wasn’t louder given the considerable cost of their exhaust plus the cost to install it!
Decibel’s are not measured like a normal progression of volume. In other words if you said something is at 90% volume and you increased it to 100% that would only be 10% louder. DB’s don’t work like that. Here’s a paragraph I found on google that explains:
Decibels are measured logarithmically. This is a way of counting or measuring something that increases rapidly, or exponentially. For example, every increase of 10 dB on the decibel scale is equal to a 10-fold increase in sound pressure level (SPL).Dec 27, 2021
12db increase is nuts... So loud!
I think Maximum1a did the absolute Minimum, on his homework on decibels.
I just ordered mine with the Borla exhaust straight from the dealership. Hope it sounds this good cuz it was pricey 😭😭
We just finished doing a Borla Atak on a C8 today. Video is coming soon.
@@mufflertech link?
@@unspecifiedd gotduals,com
Would this specific exhaust pass emissions testing?
Yes, all “cat backs” are legal for emissions
Can you make a video of Borla install on that Prius?
Believe it or not, we’ve done a custom system with a Borla muffler on a Prius. I don’t think it would get much traction as a video here though 😉
Disassembly gave me PTSD
LOL! It isn't that bad, you should see an R8. Thanks for watching!
I fabricated headers, exhausts and intakes for very high end applications, as a shop owner, and 4000.00 for that exhaust is robbery...lets be real here.
Do you do production systems for C8’s? If you do and they’re of high quality we should talk. We’re always looking for good alternatives that are budget friendly.
The higher price comes with the use of a single word in the sentence that comes before or after describing whatever the item might be, and that word is “”Corvette””. although I do suspect a slight premium is added to cover the cost of all the free units that they flood the CZcams influencers with to put a positive spin on their products.
Kevin thanks for your input!
I’m afraid I have to challenge your position here. The word “Corvette” has nothing to do with price rather its the low production numbers and the complexity of the needed product to fit a mid engined sports car.
Products for front engined Corvette’s were dramatically cheaper as they weren’t nearly as complicated to design which made them more accessible which allowed higher production which lowered the cost even more.
Chevy has made a real mid engined contender in the sports car market, this unfortunately creates exhaust systems and other components that have a higher price tag.
Thanks for watching!
Love the C8 and the sounds of most of the aftermarket exhausts but I had to stop after the explanation of why it’s more expensive. The fact is there is not great explanation other than it’s a new platform with many owners who paid 20k+ over msrp for so they have plenty of disposable income to spend on an exhaust - not matter how much less material you’re paying for.
Did you watch the video? It explains exactly why it costs more, and it’s not because the car is more expensive.
@@mufflertech I did.. I think the explanation is crap
@@CypHill lol! You should be more honest.
It was a great explanation…then he literally showed all the work he had to do as opposed to “traditional” exposed exhaust piped cars. In other words the video did most of the talking and it is assumed you know how the older systems compare. So unless you need engineer level explanations or hand held explanations 😂, it was an informative video. Nice Job @mufflertech
Corvette TAX!!!!!!
Does this system have an engine light issue?
They all do until the motors are relearned. Manufacturers of exhaust systems will say sometimes you don’t need to relearn but we’ve never had an install that didn’t need it.
Nice video but what about the cost????
I didn’t post it because of the price volatility. Most systems are between $5-6K installed
The borla exhaust is what the dealership is offering. Doesn’t void the warranty
No exhaust system voids the warranty. The Magnuson Moss Warranty-Federal Trade Commission Improvements Act allows for modifications of a product without the cancellation of the warranty.
Well we heard that this is expensive we heard that it sounds better and is a better unit and lighter what we haven’t heard is how much does this cost to do this for the parts and labor.
You’re correct. I don’t like mentioning prices in you tube content. These videos are here forever and pricing can change. The best thing to do is contact us for current pricing, I should have mentioned this.
@@mufflertech I get it I agree with you that thing sounds bad ass though I haven’t ordered my car yet but I’m gonna consider that exhaust when I get it
It's just some metal pipes that are bent and have flanges or tips welded on. It's a little more than that but imo the value to performance ratio is rather low when their full exhaust comes out to nearly $10k.
It was quite a bit less then $10K.
@@mufflertech by full exhaust I mean headers, cats and cat back. It's a nice system though.
$6000 a few extra decibels lol 😆
Decimal gain works progressively. The higher the DB the more each DB adds to the volume. This is a big gain.
You Guys Need To Fix Your Lift From Coming Down Like It Is
Good eye. We’ve replaced it.
How come when you this check engine light will come on ??? 🤔😢
It doesn’t always. We’ve had the best luck by not unplugging them from the car and installing them on the new exhaust once it’s in the car. The reason you can get a fault is the cars ECU knows where the motor position is and if it changes it thinks there’s something wrong with them.
I think you need a larger shop! I just kept watching that Ferrari next to the wheels! You did a great job but I think you need more room.
We’ve been in our space for almost 25 year’s. We’ve grown out of it for sure but we’re good at working with what we have.
"What everyone has wanted in a corvette" Who is everyone? I don't think a lot of people wanted more cost for upgrades.
I suppose I meant our customer base. I would guess people that aren’t interested in an exhaust upgrade probably wouldn’t search out a video like this.
5-10 hours? You pulling the engine while you’re at it? This is tops 3-4 hours if you’ve worked on cars. Could probably get it under 3 hours once you’ve done a C8.
I was resistant to posting expected install times for this very reason. This is what most exhaust manufacturers say it takes. For us it’s not a race. We take our time to make sure everything goes back exactly as it came apart. Just the tip alignment alone can take an hour. If you’re an accomplished tech and can do it that much faster good for you.
You know Chevy built the affordable sports car you know that the normal guy can't afford anymore that's why it's so expensive!
I suppose that depends on your definition of “normal”. The Corvette has always been significantly more expensive then any of the normal cars in Chevrolet’s line up. If the argument is they have increased exponentially, haven’t vehicles like the Tahoe done the same?
even the non-valve exhausts are way too expensive, they all have verbage that says something like "give the c8 the supercar sound it deserves", its the companies charging more than they need to because they can. and the bumper isnt that hard to remove and put on, you're being over dramatic so you can justify the cost to your customer.
If you’ve ever tried to produce an aftermarket part in multiples you’d realize how much it actually costs. You have to cost average out what you actually sell per unit produced along with the development expense. There’s no justification, just the intention to make a profit. You’re right that it isn’t hard to remove the bumper, but to do it right takes time, and time is money. Thanks for watching!
@@mufflertech there are less bends and less material, I understand some mid-engine exhaust because they have a crazy number of bends, a ridiculous number of pie cuts, but the C8 is not that way.
@@DavidVCZcams it’s not about the number of bends. Even mass production of a simple straight pipe cat delete with two flanges has its own production costs. I appreciate your point of view but I don’t believe you have understanding of the expense associated with the production of parts like this.
@@DavidVCZcams You should go into the business and out-compete these companies, since you apparently have the knowledge that lets you cut costs. You'll make a pretty penny.
@@stevesamuel263 paragon is already starting to do that. They have an entire titanium exhaust for the same price as a borla or Corsa stainless. Must be magic 🤣
There is zero performance benefits from the “x pipe” on this exhaust system. It’s purely a sound thing.
You have to engineer an exhaust system with many dyno hours and time to get any performance benefit from an X pipe.
Equal length headers provided way more performance benefit on and N/A car. On a turbo set up that x pipe would hurt performance even more.
You are correct about the turbos in most cases, you don’t want pulse disruption on a dual TT set up. You are mistaken with an NA application. There’s lots of data and dyno results that prove an X-pipes advantage.
@@mufflertech the advantage of an X pipe is at most 8-10 hp. That’s all. And the only way to get that is by engineering the exhaust system.
Simply sticking an x pipe any where randomly in the exhaust system won’t do shit. The distance from the engine the length of pipe the size of pipe all come into play to get any exhaust scavenging benefits. There’s just a CZcams trend of people making X pipe exhausts and people see them on expensive cars like lambos and people just want that look. They haven’t a clue whether it works or not.
The worst is seeing these have two turbos 12” away from each other and then stick and X pipe right in the two down pipes. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️. And then argue that it helps. It’s ridiculous
@@mikeeagle2653 I’ve personally seen gains on a dyno from random X-pipe placement. Respectfully, I do this every day and have a lot of experience with it. You’re correct on turbo’s, but your wrong about NA applications.
@@mufflertech seeing a 5 hp gain is simply a waste of time and money. Equal length headers with a real merge collector provide way mor3 HP the and X pipe could ever. And I’ve been in the industry for the last 35 yrs. so if you have “experience “. Then you wouldn’t be going back and forth disagreeing with what I wrote. I also guarantee that the test that you saw a difference on there were other factors that were changed also.
The fact that you said “you’ve stuck them in randomly” show you don’t know how they work. The the way they are supposedly work create any scavenging is to be at just the right distance from the engine to perfectly be timed with crossing over to scavenge the next cylinders exhaust pulse
So randomly doesn’t work. Car manufacturers spend millions engineering exhaust systems. That’s how the X pipe even came about.
@@mikeeagle2653 I’m not arguing that a researched and developed exhaust system won’t benefit more from a more specific placement of an X-pipe. I also agree that equal length headers are more beneficial than anything down the line of the rest of the exhaust. My response to your criticism is to address your claim of “zero gain” from an X-pipe. It’s an incorrect statement, no matter how much other peripheral knowledge you point out.
You guys can’t do exhaust upgrades in CA. Totally illegal.
You’re totally incorrect. We can do whatever we want after the cat(s).