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Invisibility! Can move through any space without being noticed, love the idea so much, can’t think of much situations to need super strength (though it would be great for opening jars!)
Invisibility sounds like fun at first, until you realize that people would be constantly bumping into you. Strength would at least have more practical applications. Though teleportation, telekinesis, super healing, precognition, X-ray vision, super intelligence, and super luck would all be better options. (I wouldn't want mind-reading, though. That would be like being constantly surrounded by people who never shut up.)
They missed one of the movies I see them reference a lot- Hustlers. Which I am still meaning to see. I keep forgetting, then I’ll see a Take video and be like “oh yeah, I should really watch that!” And then I’ll watch another YT video and forget again. I should probably write it down.
I love how in "Mean Girls", Regina is encouraged to use her rage through lacrosse, and not merely by gossiping, dictatorship, or subtly manipulating people. She just needed to unleash her anger in a healthy way, and became happier as a result. ❣️
I am being humble when I am telling you that I am the most powerful strongest coolest smartest most famous greatest funniest Y*uTub3r of all time! That's the reason I have multiple girlfriends and I show them off on my ch*nnel all the time! Bye bye teina
An angry man will always be looked down upon (will be said to have interpersonal issues, alcohol addiction, violent what not) but its acceptable for a woman (acc to TT, anyway). What bs. Anger should be looked down on both genders.
@@sirpranabR anger isn’t a negative or bad emotion. It’s a natural emotion all humans feel. It’s how people express their anger that’s the problem. I think the take is just more sympathetic to women, which is extremely rare. It’s deep analysis of female characters that male characters usually get. I appreciate that in depth analysis of female characters, just how I appreciate it those same analyses for male characters.
Precisely, usually when you're told to "Calm down" or "Chill", that immediately makes you MORE enraged, since you're subtly being told that your problems are "no big deal." 🙄
I just spoke on this. I faced racism and micro aggressions, and was disrespected at my old job and at my old school. I was treated like the angry black woman. I lost everything when they were the ones who were wrong.
@@BurningRubber454 Everyone doesn’t experience RACISM at work and is treated like the angry black woman when you speak out. Stop treating my experience like it’s nothing.
Women aren't angry. They are just expected to always be smiling, to be tender, soft and have a low voice, to not contest, to not say anything. And tats helps maintaining the status quo. But if she dares to say something, then, they say that we are angry. What if we are? Aren't we allowed to be? I have been stereotyped as an angry black woman on several occasions. Now, I don't try to defend myself. I accept it. Yes, I am angry. Being a woman, a black woman is hard. I am angry that you think I can't be angry without anger becoming me, my sole identity, I am angry because happy people don't protest, happy people don't fight for change. If they think I am angry, it's okay, I am. I have the right and reasons to be.
I feel this comment so hard. It's like when I care about something, when I feel passion and anger I think is justified, IM OK WITH THAT. because I'm a human and anger is a human emotion. I am not going to be ashamed for being angry in this world hell no. Better to be angry than apathetic
I remember watching an interview where a man asked an older woman in the street if "are women able to be politicians?" And she answered "No , we women are crazy , we'll start a war in seconds" Then he told her "but all wars that happened through history started by men only" She was like : 🤐. It's crazy how we got gaslighted all this time that we're angry for no reason and hysterionic hormonic creature , and controled by emotions
I honestly think that you are reading way too much into this angry thing. Men simply wanted dominate and less so thought women would start wars but they simply couldn't do politics or that women within politics would lead to more conflict not because of women but because of the mixing of sexes in one place. And reality is most likely much more diverse and nuanced. I hardly think that women were excluded from politics because men wanted no wars. Nor do i think that was the primary misconception of why a women shouldn't do politics by women themselves. It might be that it often times was even as bland as: thats how we always have done it and thats how god wanted it. I think the misconception that women are in some way more stupid than men is way bigger thing than anger. Especially with the many wars fought, the militarism and tge praise of war this sounds absolutely unplausible. The contrary might even be more likely: the fear that women might appease and ruin the fun of engaging in warfare.
I remember that video. It’s quite recent and I thought exactly the same as you. That we have been gaslighted into believing that we are the emotional ones yet anger, considered to be a masculine trait, is not seen as “emotional” when exhibited by men.
my best friend gets quieter and seems calmer the angrier he gets. People will be like, "you're so calm, I'd be so pissed off" and I'm going "Run. Just run." When he explodes, it isn't pretty. What pisses me off is, no matter how angry he gets, he's always excused for it. If I express my (justifiable) anger, I'm a bitch, or unreliable or unprofessional (we work together). It's not unprofessional for him to throw a hammer through a wall, but it's unprofessional if I so much as look angry (I do tend to have "resting bitch face")? I also have a tendency, when I'm REALLY angry, to cry. Which annoys me.
When I'm pissed of I get quiet too. Mainly because I'm trying not to curse everybody in every way possible. Some of my friends get scared because I'll only give orders, drink coffee and stay quiet. I don't throw hammers, that's crazy people stuff. And to the resting bitch face commentary... My dude, you can always look away, no harm done. A wall with a fucking hole is a bit different...
@@tracyroweauthor I feel you so much. When I get angry I completely destroy the room I am in and scream like crazy, but only in my imagination. I know that if I acted how I feel like acting when I am angry I would regret it all after calming down because that's just the way I am, so I retract within myself and try not to talk to anyone for some time while I collect myself. My anger will inevitably lead to crying and that annoys me as well.
@@lud3445 I should clarify the hammer through the wall thing. We work in theater. He's a tech director, I'm a scenic artist and set designer. The hammer through the wall wasn't an actual wall. We were building a set and he was having trouble getting something to work. He got so frustrated he threw his hammer through the fake wall. The funny thing is, during tech week we are both under an incredible amount of stress. We have a week left to finish the set, focus lights, build props and so on. About mid week or so, our stress level gets so high we both explode. We scream and yell at each other and sometimes throw things. Then we wonder where we should go for lunch. None of this is EVER done in front of other people. They'd think we were both nuts, lol. If we work in a different theater outside our home base, he warns me that I can't show that kind of emotion there because it's not professional. He is not bound by that stricture however. That being said, he does often lose his temper in front of other people that we work with. He may not get violent in front of them, but it's still not pretty. And the people around us excuse it. They consider him a creative genius (which, in point of fact, he sort of is) and contend that his anger is just part of his "flair for the dramatic" (it's not. He has serious anger issues). If, however, I were to behave like that, I would not be excused. It doesn't matter that I work as hard as he does or that what I do actualizes his "creative genius", the few times I have lost my temper in front of those same people, well, let's just say it didn't go well. Same theater, same people, we do the same amount of work (that no one else we work with can do) and yet we are treated differently based on our gender.
@@alejandraayala8815 it's not good to hold all that anger inside you. It damages your body and your psyche. When I get that angry I usually go somewhere where no one can see or hear me and lose my shit for a few minutes. If I can't do that, I will walk it off. EIther way, you have to express it. I don't actually recommend throwing things though. Whenever I do that (which is more often than I care to admit) I usually end up breaking something I wish I hadn't.
I remember watching it and growing more surprised and excited at every scene. It really turned the revenge trope on its head and gave a necessary commentary on rape culture. I hope for more movies like it, especially ones that touch on intersectionality more!
Me neither, I loved how it focused not on Nina, the assaulted woman, but on Cassie, her vengeful best friend. Their messages about "Nice Guys" who aren't as benign as they appear was very insightful, and you don't see the shock ending coming!
@Sydney Barrett If you can ever make it through the movie it IS rewarding. I walked away feeling like it was one of the most relatable movies I'd ever watched. Especially about the "nice guys" and culture at large
People may be scared of the woman who lets out her anger but be more scared of the woman who is angry but silent. She is the observer. She is seeing and hearing everything. And she is biding her time and playing the long game. When the silent angry woman acts on her anger, it will be calculated, methodical and have a bigger impact.
you lot are just stringing words together in an order that maybe sounds half decent now. just saying cookie cutter dumb shit and being rewarded for it cause everyone's self-esteem is so low.
@@25-keys44 No. I am a woman. I have lived these experiences and I have felt these emotions and I know the difference between wrong and right so I know that an initial rash reaction when I am angry does more harm than good. That is why I channel my anger into passion and use it to make a difference in the world rather than just smashing a few windows and expecting a result.
@@lucypreece7581 that's lovely you have a coping mechanism for dealing with distressful emotions. everyone should. however your original post refers to nothing that can't equally be said about an angry but silent man. it reads like a line from doctor who. it is the same general problem with a lot of feminism today it is so concerned with trivial nonsense that SOUNDS good it's middle class and elitist IT DOES NOT CARE for the millions of women who's life circumstances, the horrors they endure cannot be compressed into feel-good comments and Instagram infographics
@@M23786 i was born middle class in a third world country. i understand comfortable modern, western life and i understand the poverty that pays for it. I believe in a world where everyone has equal dignity for having been born human. feminism was an early step on that journey for me. i won't compromise on it, though if you looked around you, everyone else has.
I learned the hard way that being an angry woman especially a black woman even if you were wronged gets you nowhere. You lose everything that matters to you. You have to keep calm and address the situation in a professional matter to solve problems and earn respect.
@@trinaq this is sad cause everyone should be able to get angry, but society makes it so that whenever you get angry even once, you're blamed for it and not the factors that have made you angry :( though i guess, you can be angry in private so you could then collect yourself to be more cool and professional later :(
Both men and women should keep calm and address situations in a professional manner. Doesn't mean it's wrong to be angry. It's how you deal with it and express it that's important.
"When they murdered your friend... Were you angry?" "I'm still angry" Veronica Mars is my favorite angry woman. 15 years of anger turned into the best P.I. ever.
I agree, I was always disappointed that Ferris never got busted for skipping school, but you could argue that he's the catalyst for Cameron's growth, and encourages him to stop being so scared of everything. Meanwhile, Jeanie learns to focus on herself, because she realises that if she continues trying to expose Ferris, she'll get into trouble like Rooney.
i didn’t hate him because he’s just a kid being a smartass and bumping school after all, all kids do that kinda shit. what i hated was how everyone treated his sister, ignored her, how she was always left behind in his shadow and even when she took sacrifices for his well-being, she was never rewarded by anyone. it’s really sad how parents tend to typically baby their son and expect their daughters to be mature and calm at such a young age
I have to admit as the younger sibling I found it relatable. My mom would believe me whenever I purposely lied to get my brothers in trouble. But his sister just admittedly suffwrs in movie cuz "haha angry sister funny."
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Alicia Florick need much more recognition. 'The good wife' appeared in the antihero era of television, with characters such as Tony Soprano ('The Sopranos'), Donald Draper ('Mad men') and Walter White ('Breaking bad'). However, all those three get a lot of attention, due to their complicated personalities and evolution, while Alicia Florick is hardly recognised as an antihero. And her evolution through the seasons is one of the bests I remember. It would be good to see how antihero qualities are portrayed when talking about female characters. Diane Lockhart, from the spin-off 'The good fight' is also a good example of this.
My favorite angry woman is Tifa Lockhart. She's sick of injustice, and is motivated by her anger and pain. She's deeply compassionate and caring. She's insecure and outgoing at the same time. Most Final Fantasy women are pretty fantastic angry women.
I remember when Thelma and Louise came out; it stirred up so much controversy. One critic said they were horrible role models. A feminist critic pointed out all the male dominated action films with a much higher body count, and said, how come no one worries about these guys being bad role models?
You guys are doing a great job with these tropes, opening my mind to see the way people are portrayed differently in society while showing the same behaviours as their counterparts!
I love, love, love Annalise Keating. Phenomenal woman. She’s not always angry but when she is it feels justified. I also love the bride from kill Bill and Cassie from promising young woman.
The Bride is one of my favorites, but she came later, when I was an adult. My very first favorite was from the novel Carrie, and then a little while later, it was Pam Grier in Coffy ,(which I was not supposed to be watching at thirteen) and the third favorite was Ellen Ripley, from Aliens!
The good thing is that this normaly overlaps with other tropes.When it doesnt well, it can be annoying seeing a character whose only trait is being angry
Jessica Jones and her mother, especially her mother. The mother expresses how she felt she had to give up control in her marriage so she wouldn't bruise her husband's ego, a lot of her anger comes from not wanting to be controlled.
“Women don't need to find a voice, they have a voice, and they need to feel empowered to use it, and people need to be encouraged to listen.” - Meghan Markle
I guess I should call myself lucky that while I grew up angry, I was never vilified for it. I was extremely stuck up and introverted at that time, could never communicate well with my peers, and was very keen on pleasing authority-- I took it upon myself to berate my peers who aren't so "respectful" or are noisy and beligirent in class. I was usually in a leadership position becuase they percieved me as diligent, serious and hard working. I liked it a lot, but I also slowly realized that while they respected me, they also feared me. And a fourteen year old should never be feared lmao, especially since I was a 4'9 girl. When I realized that even the people I respected and those whom I yearned for approval was afraid of me, I kind of learned to let loose a bit. I guess, idk, my experience might be an anomaly since in our society, somehow and fortunately, the reputation is that women are more productive and responsible than men, and usually more academically achieving. I'm glad I grew up in an environment that let me be a leader, let me be angry and let me change into someone better.
I was treated like the angry black woman when I showed any type of annoyance or anger when I was wronged. I wish I got the chance to speak against being wronged without being vilified.
@@TheLeah2344 Anger served me well, but it was a double edged sword. Only when i was able to manage it in a way that was useful and not hurtful did I really benefit. I saw from your other comment you had to learn how to be cool and professional in addressing it, I found myself on the same path even though we started on the extremes of the same scale. But anger never really went away, and I stil let loose in private every once in a while. And while anger in excess isnt good, i think its a healthy emotion we are entitled to feel and express once in a while. I wish you would be able to express your emotions (anger in this case) more freely without being dimissed for it in the future. By god, if there's anyone in this world, you deserve to be angry and to express it as you wish bc fuck society
I love how you mentioned that your environment let you be angry. I feel like that's often an overlooked way of helping people, especially women, regardless of if they're wrong or right, to deal with their emotions and grow as people. Sometimes we all need environments that will allow us to feel what we feel.
@@VictoriaMeira7 for sure. I know y'all are strangers and all but I've had a ROUGH week and seeing these comments reflect how I feel inside does make me feel a bit better. Like someone maybe understands
I'm really tired of the ''scary angry woman'', because they usually combine it whit female characters who build a path and begin to gain power, something almost empowering, but when they are at the top and are the most powerful they always go crazy, as if to imply that women are unable to control so much power.
@@lkeke35 as a man who has been pretty selfish in his younger relationships, George stopping himself in that scene and taking full ownership of helping her shrinking herself for him is like... a role model I want to look up to for how to own your shit. I watch that scene a lot.
Growing up my dad literally would not allow me to get angry. He would tell me don't get mad when I had justified reasons. That's what now when he does say or do something out of pocket I fired back & he knows I will too.
Yeah it's shit not being allowed to get angry, that's how you teach girls that everyone is allowed to step over them (especially men). Girls learn to question and blame themselves whenever somebody does something bad to them. "What did I do wrong? "Did I provoke them to treat me like trash?" "Why am I so weak? Why am I not enough? "
I can't overstate how well the two leads in Dead to Me are written and acted. They are both such complex, realistic, relatable characters, and they're very different but you can clearly see how much their differences help each other. Like this video says, the show never judges either of them for the traits that make them less-than-completely-perfect human beings
The really irritating thing is that when you express anger and the person belittles it either as an overreaction or cute and funny you are literally forced to stop expressing anger because if you continue to do so they will not take you seriously and will use it as an excuse to belittle you further and completely disregard any points you make. As a younger person I get a lot of the cute thing and its so annoying because when you are angry and get belittled for it it makes you so frustrated and then you have to repress both the original anger and the frustration at being belittled.
In society men are seen as justified when their anger leads to violence but women simply speaking their mind when anger is somehow seen as worse? Everyday men behave in violent & abusive ways towards women & children and it’s seen as the norm yet they act scared when comforted with an assertive woman? It’s so strange to me that women’s worst fear is of men murdering them but men’s worst fear is of women speaking up & speaking their minds against abuse & injustice.
Azula's story is quite tragic. Even though she might be a narcissistic sociopath, she was encouraged to act on those traits by her father. That was the only form of love she knew, as she never received any from her mother or Iroh like Zuko got. She never learned to form healthy relationships, which is why she kept using fear to keep her "friends" by her side. She might not realize what she was missing, but she does experience the consequences towards the end of the series, when she is left behind and loses all trust in people. So many people think that Azula was destined to her downfall because of how she was born, but they seem to forget that actual psychopaths in this world can live fulfilling lives as long as they have the right people around and know how to deal with their condition.
A detail i love in zuko alone is when azula and zuko are in the fire nation garden playing tag and they’re both happy and laughing. Another detail i also love is that little azula’s cruelty feels cartoonish and lacks the nuance of her 14 yr old self’s cruelty. Meaning that she learned a lot of her cruelty from ozai. I think the cartoonish feel stems from young azula trying to imitate ozai. This is a great example of show not tell. I think that if azula did get a redemption arc, then she would have to learn what unconditional love is from zuko and iroh. Hopefully we get to see more of her with avatar studios.
Beginning this reply with admitting to being only an observer, not a psychologist. This behavior seems to often begin in early childhood. I'm Zuko's situation, her upbringing definitely reenforces that behavior... But if this is genetic, she may have inherited it, and the psycho father, seeing it, fed it. I don't think she could have ever turned out a more balanced person- I think she would always have been manipulative and self-serving (as we see these type of people in real life, even coming from loving homes). I think we want to have hope for these people, but they are not capable of really feeling empathy for others.
“The Dalai Lama says that the world will be saved by Western women. Not any women, perhaps not all women, but Burning Women. Women who have stepped out of silence and into the fullness of their power. Angry women who love the world and her creatures too much to let it be destroyed so thoughtlessly for a moment longer. Burning Woman is the heart and soul of revolution - inner and outer. She burns for change, she dances in the fire of the old, all the while visioning and weaving the new.” ― Lucy H. Pearce, Burning Woman
I adore that entire quotation! If a woman is portrayed as passionate, rebellious or actively seeks to improve upon a dire situation in her community, she's more likely to be dismissed or not taken as seriously as her male counterpart, which I loathe.
Like Greta Thunberg. Love her. It's clear she has no fucks left to give and will shred you with just her words if you push her. I have to say, I admire that. She's in the fight to save the planet and no one is going to stop her
The Dalai Lama also said that if he were to be succeeded by a female, she had better be attractive. And also that Europe is best kept for Europeans. So, you know, maybe take his opinions with a grain of salt.
y. I am a black trans girl. I am clearly an angry woman, and I HAVE REASONS TO BE ANGRY as you can guess. I love you and you have helped me a lot in understanding lots f things. Keep on the good work. I give to you the best of hugs from France
Reminds me of the false home invasion in Chicago when the police officer told an innocent, hand-cuffed, half naked woman "Okay, but you don't have shout."
Do my very religious upbringing and my fear of speaking (due to abuse) I’m scared to stand my ground with anyone. I’m also a black woman so I’m sure if I did, they’d call me angry black woman. So I often let rude and hurtful things pass, even when my ex boyfriend cheated on me I was told to “calm down”, even worst my dad asked me “what did you do?” It’s a hurtful feeling, so I find myself angry mostly at myself.
White girl but similar background. My childhood home was pretty patriarchal and as such I thought to be a good Christian girl(raised religious fundie lite) I had to be submissive. That’s not my personality either. I am not submissive. Fortunately thanks to group therapy I been getting better at self advocacy and standing my ground.
Can you please do a video about Islam and the history of Islamophobia. It would be nice to see how the choice to wear a hijab should be as respected as other choices by women. It would mean the world to your Muslim viewers. Thank you for all you do!
Especially considering the recent ban on hijabs for girls in France and women that’s re accompanying students. You’re allowed to wear what you want until it comes to Muslim women
Yes!! and please talk about how the hijab is always shown as "oppressive", and how the characters are always dying to take them off as soon as they can to be with the person they love or whatever (cough *elite* cough).
@@mai-ya-hee right?! I mean!!!!! It’s all “we support women! Women’s rights!!!” Ok, I want to be a Muslim & dress modestly. “Noooo! You’re being oppressed!! You *have* to wear a bikini because a burkini is opppppppressssssssing you!!!!”
Women who aren't allowed to express their anger (emotions) take it out on themselves by keeping it buried, overeating and using other unhealthy coping mechanisms
Hey look! a video essay about me 😁🔪 Edit: I loved it. I do have to recognize that anger is a part of me, and I should learn to channel it in a productive way. Which is why I love the band In This Moment 🖤💫 and the main reason I preffer to hear female vocalists; because they capture this anger and energy that I have inside me.
If you're interested in this trope you should watch Pedro Almodovar's Women on The Verge of a Nervous Breakdown which basically is a movie both relying on and calling out this trope.
Don't forget about the best angry woman, Ruth Langmore from Ozark. She is, in a way, the opposite of what women are expected to do. Rather than hiding her anger behind politeness, she hides her emotions behind her anger.
This video should have done a subsection on Angry Young Women, because you see this exact same thing with Fish Tank and almost any fictionalised media involving poor or working class women. Hell, even Nancy Downs from The Craft could be included in that.
I find most "angry woman" characters to be indeed villainous, but unrealistic. Also, being entirely consumed by anger and lashing out in the wrong place is never okay, but there's a distinction between deeply hurt people who are willing to learn and heal with help, and narcissistic types, most of whom are "lost causes" because of their denial. If we really wanna get to the root of the issue, we need to teach all kids emotional management and empathy.
Yes, and that although women can get angry, they don't necessarily stay so enraged that they go around committing assaults or other crimes. I'm surprised they didn't include Marmee in Little Women, who tells Jo she is 'angry every day' but she doesn't take it out on her daughters, they barely realize, while at the same time she is working at a Woman's Mission to do something constructive about what is angering her in the world about her.
Also, i can't help to notice the double standard and lies in the potrayal of anger. Female anger Is supposed to be scary and forbiden while in real life male anger Is the one who causes permanent damage and death to innocent people.
I’m angry because no one listens to me. Men think they know what is inside my head. And no one respects my boundaries and yet I’m supposed to respects your boundaries.
Azula definitely did horrible things. But you have to consider the way she grew up wasn't healthy at all. Azulas own mother rejected and feared her. Her own father Ozai, only appreciated her because she was useful for him. He paid attention to her, when she showed the "right" traits he wanted to see in her (for example her cruel, scaring and ruthless attitude or her good bending abilities, with these traits she's useful for her father's selflish plans). She obviously did everything she did to please her father, because then she would get acceptance and appreciation from him. At least her brother Zuko had a carrying uncle, what did Azula have? Nothing.
Zuko was the model victim because he had better outlets like Iroh and Aang, Katara and the gaang. Iroh is most directly at fault outside of Ursa and Ozai because he tended to favour Zuko over Azula.
I remember being absolutely miserable in school which made me petty and had a chip on my shoulder every time the subject of school is brought up and even years later, people are telling me. "Calm down, get over it, move on!" Like the healthy thing is for me to move past it. I can never get any kind of retribution for it and I'm not allowed to get any retribution for it. To me, getting over it, is like admitting it never happened. I went through years of misery for nothing. You'd think that all that anger would at least yearn you the right to be angry and show anger but no. Calm down, angry girl, calm down!
Anger is a tool a person should be using in own favor and win at the situation. When it comes to confrontation, calm and smile is more terrifying than loud emotional response
We have to recognise that probably in part, it may be hysteria because society leads us to that. We are a society that has unhealthy patterns. Because we are forced to be calm and submissive, we don't develop tools to take out our frustration in a productive way. At the end of the day, we need to be the bigger person and look for ways to take out our frustration and be on top of the situation. That means working on our shadow.
Yes, smashing up someone's windscreen or kicking over some rubbish is not constructive. Male characters may not do that so much, but that is because they are allowed to 'fight', but in real life violence is almost always not constructive either.
My anger is more loyal to me than any other person I've ever cared about. It has pushed me to do build boundaries, stand up for myself, and not seeking anyone's approval. If I could, I'd built a shrine to my anger. It's my best friend.
Please, could you make a video about stereotypes in American films and TV series about slavic women? Why are they shown as wh*res, strippers and materialistic women with a terrible accent? We are strong women forced to live in a patriarchal world, where men believe that women have all the rights simply because we can work and vote, but in fact women are forced to work and manage the household and children only by themselves, because men do not help and do not share this housework. But even under the pressure of patriarchy, we are good employees, employers, loving partners, mothers. We don't deserve such image in social media!
People who say "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" have never encountered a man whose ego has just taken a HIT. That reeling is a 1000x scarier and overreactive
Don’t know if this trope has an easy name, but it’s one that you see a lot; a person - usually a city-dweller - is rich/successful, thoroughly modern, and seemingly has their life put together, but underneath they may be harboring deep unhappiness (may not even realize it themselves). Suddenly their life is upended in some way and they’re forced to relocate to a much more rural/isolated area. At first they really struggle to fit it, but find a love interest from that area who helps them acclimate and appreciates them for who they are. In the end, they come to love the simpler environment and choose to stay there even if given the opportunity to return to the city. Works equally well with men and women.
I'm glad that at the end Jeanie let go of trying to get Ferris caught and simply went on with her life. No, Ferris shouldn't be allowed to get away with what he was doing, however she ain't her brother's keeper.
No that really annoyed me. It was irritating how she saved him for no reason, what because Charlie Sheen kissed her and when her parents will continue to treat her like shit? No ma'am.
That's such a smart point, that Angry Men are portrayed as righteously angry at "the system" whereas women's anger is portrayed as an individual pathology.
True. Fight Club was an interesting example, as their cause was somewhat irrational and not especially well thought out. Consumerism bad, and we don’t have dads, so let’s blow up some buildings? Okay. The film itself may have been critiquing their terrorist nonsense, but that was lost on a lot of fans. And at no point we’re they mocked the way angry women are. No one called out how irrational or “hysterical” they were acting.
Female anger can be awful as well. If she makes false rape allegations then she can ruin a man’s life. She can threaten to harm herself to get what she wants or actually harm herself and blame it on him. She can emotionally abuse people close to her, which can ruin their life.
I still have issues expressing anger as I was always told by my family to shut up and stop acting crazy and like a brat. Especially my dad, once I gathered the courage to ask why I had to make him a sandwich and not my brothers, he got angrier than ever because how did I dare question his authority. When I apologized he gaslighted me, telling me that he had asked me and not my brothers because " I was his favorite". Always got better grades than my brothers, always been very logical and composed, but my dad assured me that my brother far surpassed me in intelligence and I just wasn't that smart. My mom has always been deprived to do what she wanted to do, she was forbidden to work and then told she owed nothing and she was inferior because she didn't bring any money to the house and her housework and childcaring meant nothing because it didn't generate any money. I have plenty more examples like these but I always double question myself when someone does something bad to me because it's hard for me to grasp the feeling of anger in myself, and that has resulted in letting a lot of people step over me.
Beatrix Kiddo got me through one of the most horrible eras of my life. She will probably remain my favorite angry woman. Julia Sugarbaker from Designing Women was one of the first angry opinionated women young me was really exposed to that was respected and wasn't punished for her anger like the old femme fatales.
And sometimes women’s anger is just blamed down to “that time of the month”, where people dismiss it to that and don’t listen to what she’s angry about. It’s very invalidating to women’s emotions.
Cersei and Regina george are my favorite angry women for very similar reasons. They are case studies of untapped feminine potential left to fester and turn toxic. Where would cersai be if her father had treated her as well as jaimie- or even better an equal- when planning hos take over of the throne? He wasted her on the role of brood mare and created his biggest obstacle- her resentful meddling. Cersei with a dornish upbringing would have been a force to be reckoned with.
love these trope videos, very informative. I honestly can't wait for a Middle-Eastern woman trope -The Bundle in Black, the Bellydancer- and how the conflict in the Middle East influenced it.
In France we have an extreme example of this in the Charles perrault's novela " griselidis ". It is the story of a king who wants to test his wife, and therefore makes horrible things to her ( he makes her live in a room without light, takes her baby away from her saying that she is not good enough to educate her, makes her believe that the baby is dead, throw her away, aks her to prepare him for his new marriage...) just to test if she will get angry, and if she does, it would mean that she is a bad person... and the moral of this story is : she stayed calm all along so she is a good and pure woman... if you are curios, I encourage you to research about this story, it is horfull! I am sorry if my comment is it very understandable, I am French and just in highscool so I don't really speak English...
This is another reason I love Jessica Jones. Jessica and Trish Walker have never told each other to calm down and they're awfully similar if you think about it - they've both been through horrific experiences, they're both angry and frequently, shamelessly act on it (sometimes productively, sometimes not). The show ends with very different endings for both of them and it's a cautionary tale about not letting your rage consume you, without shaming any of the women for expressing it.
The thing is what is legitimate anger? For example is coming home from a long day tired and grumpy and then questioning or looking around for some minor thing that your daughter forgot to do during the day and then going absolutely apeshit and screaming at them over this one small thing because your tired is not legitimate anger. I just witnessed this exact scenario. And the problem ive noticed when a women is already in that state is that there is nothing you can do. Because they just double down and will never see they over reacted until maybe the next day or several hours later. And that is frustrating! Then they may apologize and say sorry I was just tired. And in those situations I would say that person has an anger issue.
I may catch a lot of flack for this, but Betty Draper is my favorite. She was a glamorous, intelligent woman who married a man that she thought would be her partner. She thought that she’d be by his side, engaging in interesting jaunts around the country and attending business dinners. She had the know-how and talent for it too. Instead, she was hidden in the home, cloistered from the partnership she dreamed she’d have. This, after being emotionally abused all her life. Even after seeking help, her confidence was was broken and she was treated like a child. Of course she was angry. I don’t condone her treatment of her children, but I’ll admit that I’ve had my Betty Draper moments as well. When you feel alone and oppressed, you break and sometimes innocent people get caught in the crossfire. The trouble was that Betty was always broken, again and again. She didn’t take the actual steps to put herself back together until the end, but that doesn’t make her evil. Her anger was maladaptive and hurt many people that did not deserve it- often egregiously- but her anger was also justified.
really loving the little discussions you've been having at the end there! been a fan of the take for a long time and you all never disappoint! so many thanks for starting meaningful conversations and crafting all these videos :-)
My top 3 are 1. The Bride from Kill Bill 2. Regina George from Mean Girls and Chicago’s ‘Cell Block Tango’ with Velma Kelly as the lead! (Promising young woman is on my list but haven’t seen it yet) ❤️not ‘angry women’ more like ‘determined women’! (Regardless if they are doing smth right or wrong!)
"expressing my opinion is not a terrorist action" - amen, Julia!! She's one of my favorite "angry girls" (Kat from "10 Things I Hate About You"). She was amaze-balls going up against "Chachi"!
Which superpower is the greatest of them all: super strength or invisibility? Today on our collaborative Netflix Film Club series “Take Two," we're answering this question through the movie Thunder Force: czcams.com/video/rQtr2YNRQs0/video.html Watch it now on the Netflix Film Club CZcams channel!
Invisibility! Can move through any space without being noticed, love the idea so much, can’t think of much situations to need super strength (though it would be great for opening jars!)
Neither
Invisibility sounds like fun at first, until you realize that people would be constantly bumping into you. Strength would at least have more practical applications.
Though teleportation, telekinesis, super healing, precognition, X-ray vision, super intelligence, and super luck would all be better options. (I wouldn't want mind-reading, though. That would be like being constantly surrounded by people who never shut up.)
I'd be interested to see the Take looking at the portrayal of disabled characters in media
Hello am I able to write for you? Do I just submit a proposal along with clip ideas or do you source the clips yourself?
I fully support The Take's mission to incorporate Gone Girl's "Cool Girl" monologue into as many videos as possible
Its a very good and widely relatable almost universally true monologue, I don't see a problem , use it multiple times in a video I would still support
The woman in Gone Girl is so many things its potential is unlimited.
lmao, as they should!
Oh my God! This is so spot-on!
They missed one of the movies I see them reference a lot- Hustlers. Which I am still meaning to see. I keep forgetting, then I’ll see a Take video and be like “oh yeah, I should really watch that!” And then I’ll watch another YT video and forget again. I should probably write it down.
I love how in "Mean Girls", Regina is encouraged to use her rage through lacrosse, and not merely by gossiping, dictatorship, or subtly manipulating people. She just needed to unleash her anger in a healthy way, and became happier as a result. ❣️
I am being humble when I am telling you that I am the most powerful strongest coolest smartest most famous greatest funniest Y*uTub3r of all time! That's the reason I have multiple girlfriends and I show them off on my ch*nnel all the time! Bye bye teina
It’s also more direct and less sneaky
@@AxxLAfriku you make me lose my faith in humanity, one comment at a time
An angry man will always be looked down upon (will be said to have interpersonal issues, alcohol addiction, violent what not) but its acceptable for a woman (acc to TT, anyway). What bs.
Anger should be looked down on both genders.
@@sirpranabR anger isn’t a negative or bad emotion. It’s a natural emotion all humans feel. It’s how people express their anger that’s the problem. I think the take is just more sympathetic to women, which is extremely rare. It’s deep analysis of female characters that male characters usually get. I appreciate that in depth analysis of female characters, just how I appreciate it those same analyses for male characters.
"Calm down" feels like Gaslighting sometimes. Like, why is my legitimate anger more concerning than how I was mistreated?
this
Precisely, usually when you're told to "Calm down" or "Chill", that immediately makes you MORE enraged, since you're subtly being told that your problems are "no big deal." 🙄
I feel the same. It clearly changes the subject and makes it easier for the opposition to make you look like an over-reacting bish.
Thank You!
Very situational and personal. But overall, yes, humans hate being told what to do or how to feel when they are in an exaggerated emotional state.
i just hate that anytime a black woman shows a little emotion of anger she is immediately painted as the “angry black woman”.
I just spoke on this. I faced racism and micro aggressions, and was disrespected at my old job and at my old school. I was treated like the angry black woman. I lost everything when they were the ones who were wrong.
@@TheLeah2344 everyone is disrespected at work
@@BurningRubber454 Everyone doesn’t experience RACISM at work and is treated like the angry black woman when you speak out. Stop treating my experience like it’s nothing.
@@TheLeah2344 sounds like bullying.
@@TheLeah2344 your experiences are Valid! 👍💪
Women aren't angry. They are just expected to always be smiling, to be tender, soft and have a low voice, to not contest, to not say anything. And tats helps maintaining the status quo. But if she dares to say something, then, they say that we are angry. What if we are? Aren't we allowed to be?
I have been stereotyped as an angry black woman on several occasions. Now, I don't try to defend myself. I accept it. Yes, I am angry. Being a woman, a black woman is hard. I am angry that you think I can't be angry without anger becoming me, my sole identity, I am angry because happy people don't protest, happy people don't fight for change. If they think I am angry, it's okay, I am. I have the right and reasons to be.
I feel this comment so hard. It's like when I care about something, when I feel passion and anger I think is justified, IM OK WITH THAT. because I'm a human and anger is a human emotion. I am not going to be ashamed for being angry in this world hell no. Better to be angry than apathetic
I feel you Queen but protest should be for the men
@@deej5608 girl what?
@@Inurwalls02 men expected to "man up"
I remember watching an interview where a man asked an older woman in the street if "are women able to be politicians?" And she answered "No , we women are crazy , we'll start a war in seconds"
Then he told her "but all wars that happened through history started by men only"
She was like : 🤐.
It's crazy how we got gaslighted all this time that we're angry for no reason and hysterionic hormonic creature , and controled by emotions
Was this a black and white street interview ?
I honestly think that you are reading way too much into this angry thing. Men simply wanted dominate and less so thought women would start wars but they simply couldn't do politics or that women within politics would lead to more conflict not because of women but because of the mixing of sexes in one place. And reality is most likely much more diverse and nuanced. I hardly think that women were excluded from politics because men wanted no wars. Nor do i think that was the primary misconception of why a women shouldn't do politics by women themselves. It might be that it often times was even as bland as: thats how we always have done it and thats how god wanted it. I think the misconception that women are in some way more stupid than men is way bigger thing than anger. Especially with the many wars fought, the militarism and tge praise of war this sounds absolutely unplausible. The contrary might even be more likely: the fear that women might appease and ruin the fun of engaging in warfare.
I remember that video. It’s quite recent and I thought exactly the same as you. That we have been gaslighted into believing that we are the emotional ones yet anger, considered to be a masculine trait, is not seen as “emotional” when exhibited by men.
It’s Jordan Klepper interviewing a trump fan. He’s great. Although my history nerd side has to add some women were started by women.
If women ran the world, there wouldn't be any wars.
Just 200 countries that aren't speaking to each other anymore.
The Take video: "Can you guess what a woman's worst nightmare is?"
Hilariously timed Tampax ad: "SHE HAS HER PERIOD!!"
I find interesting how anger is externallized.
Some people explode with rage, while other get really cold and cutting.
my best friend gets quieter and seems calmer the angrier he gets. People will be like, "you're so calm, I'd be so pissed off" and I'm going "Run. Just run." When he explodes, it isn't pretty. What pisses me off is, no matter how angry he gets, he's always excused for it. If I express my (justifiable) anger, I'm a bitch, or unreliable or unprofessional (we work together). It's not unprofessional for him to throw a hammer through a wall, but it's unprofessional if I so much as look angry (I do tend to have "resting bitch face")?
I also have a tendency, when I'm REALLY angry, to cry. Which annoys me.
When I'm pissed of I get quiet too. Mainly because I'm trying not to curse everybody in every way possible. Some of my friends get scared because I'll only give orders, drink coffee and stay quiet.
I don't throw hammers, that's crazy people stuff.
And to the resting bitch face commentary... My dude, you can always look away, no harm done. A wall with a fucking hole is a bit different...
@@tracyroweauthor I feel you so much. When I get angry I completely destroy the room I am in and scream like crazy, but only in my imagination. I know that if I acted how I feel like acting when I am angry I would regret it all after calming down because that's just the way I am, so I retract within myself and try not to talk to anyone for some time while I collect myself. My anger will inevitably lead to crying and that annoys me as well.
@@lud3445 I should clarify the hammer through the wall thing. We work in theater. He's a tech director, I'm a scenic artist and set designer. The hammer through the wall wasn't an actual wall. We were building a set and he was having trouble getting something to work. He got so frustrated he threw his hammer through the fake wall.
The funny thing is, during tech week we are both under an incredible amount of stress. We have a week left to finish the set, focus lights, build props and so on. About mid week or so, our stress level gets so high we both explode. We scream and yell at each other and sometimes throw things. Then we wonder where we should go for lunch. None of this is EVER done in front of other people. They'd think we were both nuts, lol. If we work in a different theater outside our home base, he warns me that I can't show that kind of emotion there because it's not professional. He is not bound by that stricture however.
That being said, he does often lose his temper in front of other people that we work with. He may not get violent in front of them, but it's still not pretty. And the people around us excuse it. They consider him a creative genius (which, in point of fact, he sort of is) and contend that his anger is just part of his "flair for the dramatic" (it's not. He has serious anger issues). If, however, I were to behave like that, I would not be excused. It doesn't matter that I work as hard as he does or that what I do actualizes his "creative genius", the few times I have lost my temper in front of those same people, well, let's just say it didn't go well.
Same theater, same people, we do the same amount of work (that no one else we work with can do) and yet we are treated differently based on our gender.
@@alejandraayala8815 it's not good to hold all that anger inside you. It damages your body and your psyche.
When I get that angry I usually go somewhere where no one can see or hear me and lose my shit for a few minutes. If I can't do that, I will walk it off. EIther way, you have to express it.
I don't actually recommend throwing things though. Whenever I do that (which is more often than I care to admit) I usually end up breaking something I wish I hadn't.
I will never shut up about how world changing Promising Young Woman was
I remember watching it and growing more surprised and excited at every scene. It really turned the revenge trope on its head and gave a necessary commentary on rape culture. I hope for more movies like it, especially ones that touch on intersectionality more!
Me neither, I loved how it focused not on Nina, the assaulted woman, but on Cassie, her vengeful best friend. Their messages about "Nice Guys" who aren't as benign as they appear was very insightful, and you don't see the shock ending coming!
@Sydney Barrett If you can ever make it through the movie it IS rewarding. I walked away feeling like it was one of the most relatable movies I'd ever watched. Especially about the "nice guys" and culture at large
@Sydney Barrett take your time with it hun, and have a friend for the ending if you can brave it
Ok gals, I’m renting this right now!
People may be scared of the woman who lets out her anger but be more scared of the woman who is angry but silent. She is the observer. She is seeing and hearing everything. And she is biding her time and playing the long game. When the silent angry woman acts on her anger, it will be calculated, methodical and have a bigger impact.
you lot are just stringing words together in an order that maybe sounds half decent now. just saying cookie cutter dumb shit and being rewarded for it cause everyone's self-esteem is so low.
@@25-keys44 No. I am a woman. I have lived these experiences and I have felt these emotions and I know the difference between wrong and right so I know that an initial rash reaction when I am angry does more harm than good. That is why I channel my anger into passion and use it to make a difference in the world rather than just smashing a few windows and expecting a result.
@@lucypreece7581 that's lovely you have a coping mechanism for dealing with distressful emotions. everyone should. however your original post refers to nothing that can't equally be said about an angry but silent man. it reads like a line from doctor who. it is the same general problem with a lot of feminism today it is so concerned with trivial nonsense that SOUNDS good it's middle class and elitist IT DOES NOT CARE for the millions of women who's life circumstances, the horrors they endure cannot be compressed into feel-good comments and Instagram infographics
@@25-keys44 Aren't you just a delight to be around😒😒 someone's just too salty
@@M23786 i was born middle class in a third world country. i understand comfortable modern, western life and i understand the poverty that pays for it. I believe in a world where everyone has equal dignity for having been born human. feminism was an early step on that journey for me. i won't compromise on it, though if you looked around you, everyone else has.
I learned the hard way that being an angry woman especially a black woman even if you were wronged gets you nowhere. You lose everything that matters to you. You have to keep calm and address the situation in a professional matter to solve problems and earn respect.
That's an extremely valid take. Getting angry doesn't solve anything, so it's best to solve the problem by remaining calm and composed.
So true!
You have told the truth love.🥺
@@trinaq this is sad cause everyone should be able to get angry, but society makes it so that whenever you get angry even once, you're blamed for it and not the factors that have made you angry :( though i guess, you can be angry in private so you could then collect yourself to be more cool and professional later :(
Both men and women should keep calm and address situations in a professional manner. Doesn't mean it's wrong to be angry. It's how you deal with it and express it that's important.
"When they murdered your friend... Were you angry?"
"I'm still angry"
Veronica Mars is my favorite angry woman. 15 years of anger turned into the best P.I. ever.
Break up tropes next please
Eating ice cream crying and then the reinvention
Oh yes! Thisnis an excellent idea!
Yeah, I want to see that one too.
Anger turned inward?
OMG YESSSSS
YEAH!
I hated Ferris Bueller so much, how he never faced consequences while Cameron and his sister did
I agree, I was always disappointed that Ferris never got busted for skipping school, but you could argue that he's the catalyst for Cameron's growth, and encourages him to stop being so scared of everything. Meanwhile, Jeanie learns to focus on herself, because she realises that if she continues trying to expose Ferris, she'll get into trouble like Rooney.
@@trinaq The conforting thing for me is that while Cameron and Ginny will be better people,Ferris will probably end up unemployed
I agree. That movie has not aged well. It's a celebration of white upper middle class male entitlement.
i didn’t hate him because he’s just a kid being a smartass and bumping school after all, all kids do that kinda shit. what i hated was how everyone treated his sister, ignored her, how she was always left behind in his shadow and even when she took sacrifices for his well-being, she was never rewarded by anyone. it’s really sad how parents tend to typically baby their son and expect their daughters to be mature and calm at such a young age
I have to admit as the younger sibling I found it relatable. My mom would believe me whenever I purposely lied to get my brothers in trouble.
But his sister just admittedly suffwrs in movie cuz "haha angry sister funny."
Do a trope on female antiheroes.
Yes, please, and how their portrayal may differ or compare to their male counterpart! 💞
yes! watch their Femme Fatale video, i think that's sort of along that spectrum
Faith lehane, carrie mathison, selina meyer, fleabag, fiona gallagher, nancy botwin, carmela soprano, shiv roy, elektra abundance, rue bennet, olive kitteridge, alyssa (end of the fucking world), one of the “six feet under” women (ruth, claire, brenda), someone on orange is the new black
How about a trope on people, who don't say "please" on the internet?
Alicia Florick need much more recognition. 'The good wife' appeared in the antihero era of television, with characters such as Tony Soprano ('The Sopranos'), Donald Draper ('Mad men') and Walter White ('Breaking bad'). However, all those three get a lot of attention, due to their complicated personalities and evolution, while Alicia Florick is hardly recognised as an antihero. And her evolution through the seasons is one of the bests I remember. It would be good to see how antihero qualities are portrayed when talking about female characters. Diane Lockhart, from the spin-off 'The good fight' is also a good example of this.
My favorite angry woman is Tifa Lockhart. She's sick of injustice, and is motivated by her anger and pain. She's deeply compassionate and caring. She's insecure and outgoing at the same time. Most Final Fantasy women are pretty fantastic angry women.
My favorite is Lightning
I remember when Thelma and Louise came out; it stirred up so much controversy. One critic said they were horrible role models. A feminist critic pointed out all the male dominated action films with a much higher body count, and said, how come no one worries about these guys being bad role models?
Christina Applegate in ‘Dead To Me’ was just brilliant. That Series deserved more Emmys.
Yes!
Heyyy you are the TISS guy!!!!!
@@ananyamehta4662 Yes.
I want Black women to know we have every right to be angry, and being an angry woman is not a a bad thing. It means you’re human.
You guys are doing a great job with these tropes, opening my mind to see the way people are portrayed differently in society while showing the same behaviours as their counterparts!
I love, love, love Annalise Keating. Phenomenal woman. She’s not always angry but when she is it feels justified. I also love the bride from kill Bill and Cassie from promising young woman.
The Bride is one of my favorites, but she came later, when I was an adult. My very first favorite was from the novel Carrie, and then a little while later, it was Pam Grier in Coffy ,(which I was not supposed to be watching at thirteen) and the third favorite was Ellen Ripley, from Aliens!
The good thing is that this normaly overlaps with other tropes.When it doesnt well, it can be annoying seeing a character whose only trait is being angry
Jessica Jones and her mother, especially her mother. The mother expresses how she felt she had to give up control in her marriage so she wouldn't bruise her husband's ego, a lot of her anger comes from not wanting to be controlled.
“Women don't need to find a voice, they have a voice, and they need to feel empowered to use it, and people need to be encouraged to listen.” - Meghan Markle
Ew megan markle...
I feel like we need more angry women in movies. Can we even have a female slasher?
Mmmmmmmmmrs. Voorhees.
Mary Mason from American Mary, and I've exhausted my list
Season 1 and 3 of Scream The Series
@@celaestisamory1834 its funny how Jason isnt the slasher of the film but he is for the sequels 😂
You should have used Doctor Foster as an example, as Gemma Foster perfectly shows rage in how she has been unfairly treated.
Perfect example!
Yea but most Americans are so oblivious to how exceptional British tv is
So many British shows don’t get the international recognition they deserve
I guess I should call myself lucky that while I grew up angry, I was never vilified for it. I was extremely stuck up and introverted at that time, could never communicate well with my peers, and was very keen on pleasing authority-- I took it upon myself to berate my peers who aren't so "respectful" or are noisy and beligirent in class. I was usually in a leadership position becuase they percieved me as diligent, serious and hard working. I liked it a lot, but I also slowly realized that while they respected me, they also feared me. And a fourteen year old should never be feared lmao, especially since I was a 4'9 girl. When I realized that even the people I respected and those whom I yearned for approval was afraid of me, I kind of learned to let loose a bit. I guess, idk, my experience might be an anomaly since in our society, somehow and fortunately, the reputation is that women are more productive and responsible than men, and usually more academically achieving. I'm glad I grew up in an environment that let me be a leader, let me be angry and let me change into someone better.
I was treated like the angry black woman when I showed any type of annoyance or anger when I was wronged. I wish I got the chance to speak against being wronged without being vilified.
@@TheLeah2344 Anger served me well, but it was a double edged sword. Only when i was able to manage it in a way that was useful and not hurtful did I really benefit. I saw from your other comment you had to learn how to be cool and professional in addressing it, I found myself on the same path even though we started on the extremes of the same scale. But anger never really went away, and I stil let loose in private every once in a while. And while anger in excess isnt good, i think its a healthy emotion we are entitled to feel and express once in a while. I wish you would be able to express your emotions (anger in this case) more freely without being dimissed for it in the future. By god, if there's anyone in this world, you deserve to be angry and to express it as you wish bc fuck society
I love how you mentioned that your environment let you be angry. I feel like that's often an overlooked way of helping people, especially women, regardless of if they're wrong or right, to deal with their emotions and grow as people. Sometimes we all need environments that will allow us to feel what we feel.
@@VictoriaMeira7 for sure. I know y'all are strangers and all but I've had a ROUGH week and seeing these comments reflect how I feel inside does make me feel a bit better. Like someone maybe understands
@@soso-mx8nb *this is me giving you an internet hug and a lil boop on your forehead*
I'm really tired of the ''scary angry woman'', because they usually combine it whit female characters who build a path and begin to gain power, something almost empowering, but when they are at the top and are the most powerful they always go crazy, as if to imply that women are unable to control so much power.
EXACTLY and as soon as its a woman of colour whos angry, shes painted in an extremely negative light and is gaslight
Lovecraft Country did a really amazing deconstruction of female anger with the character of Hippolyta
Yes!!! The Hippolyta episode (I Am) was my favorite for the whole season. I really felt/loved that one!
@@lkeke35 as a man who has been pretty selfish in his younger relationships, George stopping himself in that scene and taking full ownership of helping her shrinking herself for him is like... a role model I want to look up to for how to own your shit. I watch that scene a lot.
@Nevarenn [EGN] Hippolyta should be her own series.
@@gaillewis5472 agreed!
Hippolyta? As an Amazon queen?
Growing up my dad literally would not allow me to get angry. He would tell me don't get mad when I had justified reasons. That's what now when he does say or do something out of pocket I fired back & he knows I will too.
Yeah it's shit not being allowed to get angry, that's how you teach girls that everyone is allowed to step over them (especially men). Girls learn to question and blame themselves whenever somebody does something bad to them.
"What did I do wrong?
"Did I provoke them to treat me like trash?"
"Why am I so weak? Why am I not enough? "
I hate how the “victim” in these stories is usually the man.
Please make a video about revenge movie trope.
nothing infuriates me more than being labelled "aggressive" any time I just express my opinion or disagree with the existing status quo...
I can't overstate how well the two leads in Dead to Me are written and acted. They are both such complex, realistic, relatable characters, and they're very different but you can clearly see how much their differences help each other. Like this video says, the show never judges either of them for the traits that make them less-than-completely-perfect human beings
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The really irritating thing is that when you express anger and the person belittles it either as an overreaction or cute and funny you are literally forced to stop expressing anger because if you continue to do so they will not take you seriously and will use it as an excuse to belittle you further and completely disregard any points you make. As a younger person I get a lot of the cute thing and its so annoying because when you are angry and get belittled for it it makes you so frustrated and then you have to repress both the original anger and the frustration at being belittled.
Women aren't allowed to be angry, just like men aren't allowed to cry. Something needs to be done about that.
That’s one nuance that needs to stay in the conversation: just how variable the perspectives and consequences really are
In society men are seen as justified when their anger leads to violence but women simply speaking their mind when anger is somehow seen as worse? Everyday men behave in violent & abusive ways towards women & children and it’s seen as the norm yet they act scared when comforted with an assertive woman? It’s so strange to me that women’s worst fear is of men murdering them but men’s worst fear is of women speaking up & speaking their minds against abuse & injustice.
"Hel hath no fury like a woman with a voice." YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs
Azula's story is quite tragic. Even though she might be a narcissistic sociopath, she was encouraged to act on those traits by her father. That was the only form of love she knew, as she never received any from her mother or Iroh like Zuko got. She never learned to form healthy relationships, which is why she kept using fear to keep her "friends" by her side. She might not realize what she was missing, but she does experience the consequences towards the end of the series, when she is left behind and loses all trust in people. So many people think that Azula was destined to her downfall because of how she was born, but they seem to forget that actual psychopaths in this world can live fulfilling lives as long as they have the right people around and know how to deal with their condition.
A detail i love in zuko alone is when azula and zuko are in the fire nation garden playing tag and they’re both happy and laughing. Another detail i also love is that little azula’s cruelty feels cartoonish and lacks the nuance of her 14 yr old self’s cruelty. Meaning that she learned a lot of her cruelty from ozai. I think the cartoonish feel stems from young azula trying to imitate ozai. This is a great example of show not tell. I think that if azula did get a redemption arc, then she would have to learn what unconditional love is from zuko and iroh. Hopefully we get to see more of her with avatar studios.
Beginning this reply with admitting to being only an observer, not a psychologist. This behavior seems to often begin in early childhood. I'm Zuko's situation, her upbringing definitely reenforces that behavior... But if this is genetic, she may have inherited it, and the psycho father, seeing it, fed it. I don't think she could have ever turned out a more balanced person- I think she would always have been manipulative and self-serving (as we see these type of people in real life, even coming from loving homes). I think we want to have hope for these people, but they are not capable of really feeling empathy for others.
“The Dalai Lama says that the world will be saved by Western women. Not any women, perhaps not all women, but Burning Women. Women who have stepped out of silence and into the fullness of their power. Angry women who love the world and her creatures too much to let it be destroyed so thoughtlessly for a moment longer.
Burning Woman is the heart and soul of revolution - inner and outer. She burns for change, she dances in the fire of the old, all the while visioning and weaving the new.”
― Lucy H. Pearce, Burning Woman
Dont tell this to some Asians, they will say Dalai Lama has gone nuts.
I adore that entire quotation! If a woman is portrayed as passionate, rebellious or actively seeks to improve upon a dire situation in her community, she's more likely to be dismissed or not taken as seriously as her male counterpart, which I loathe.
@@trinaq I agree
Like Greta Thunberg. Love her. It's clear she has no fucks left to give and will shred you with just her words if you push her. I have to say, I admire that. She's in the fight to save the planet and no one is going to stop her
The Dalai Lama also said that if he were to be succeeded by a female, she had better be attractive. And also that Europe is best kept for Europeans.
So, you know, maybe take his opinions with a grain of salt.
This feels like an essay of the life of my anger. Thank you for this essay.
Anger in The Wife. Loved it that she finally got to express that.
y. I am a black trans girl. I am clearly an angry woman, and I HAVE REASONS TO BE ANGRY as you can guess. I love you and you have helped me a lot in understanding lots f things. Keep on the good work. I give to you the best of hugs from France
Reminds me of the false home invasion in Chicago when the police officer told an innocent, hand-cuffed, half naked woman "Okay, but you don't have shout."
That was so embarrassing and inhumane
I really like the personal takes you guys have added at the end! Keep them coming!
Do my very religious upbringing and my fear of speaking (due to abuse) I’m scared to stand my ground with anyone. I’m also a black woman so I’m sure if I did, they’d call me angry black woman. So I often let rude and hurtful things pass, even when my ex boyfriend cheated on me I was told to “calm down”, even worst my dad asked me “what did you do?”
It’s a hurtful feeling, so I find myself angry mostly at myself.
White girl but similar background. My childhood home was pretty patriarchal and as such I thought to be a good Christian girl(raised religious fundie lite) I had to be submissive. That’s not my personality either. I am not submissive. Fortunately thanks to group therapy I been getting better at self advocacy and standing my ground.
My favorite angry woman is Furiosa - for good women, at least. For angry bad women, I'll go with Amy from Gone Girl.
Can you please do a video about Islam and the history of Islamophobia. It would be nice to see how the choice to wear a hijab should be as respected as other choices by women. It would mean the world to your Muslim viewers. Thank you for all you do!
Not just that. But also how the West claims to be for women’s rights until a woman chooses to be Muslim, then oops wrong choice not allowed try again.
Especially considering the recent ban on hijabs for girls in France and women that’s re accompanying students. You’re allowed to wear what you want until it comes to Muslim women
Yes!! and please talk about how the hijab is always shown as "oppressive", and how the characters are always dying to take them off as soon as they can to be with the person they love or whatever (cough *elite* cough).
@@mai-ya-hee right?! I mean!!!!! It’s all “we support women! Women’s rights!!!” Ok, I want to be a Muslim & dress modestly. “Noooo! You’re being oppressed!! You *have* to wear a bikini because a burkini is opppppppressssssssing you!!!!”
@@tabathaalshalhoub1653 oh yeah ikr how DARE women wear something that protects them from getting potentially sunburned
Women who aren't allowed to express their anger (emotions) take it out on themselves by keeping it buried, overeating and using other unhealthy coping mechanisms
Hey look! a video essay about me 😁🔪
Edit: I loved it.
I do have to recognize that anger is a part of me, and I should learn to channel it in a productive way. Which is why I love the band In This Moment 🖤💫 and the main reason I preffer to hear female vocalists; because they capture this anger and energy that I have inside me.
Aw man, now I really want to rewatch all my favorite angry women movies.
Same!
Can you make wish for me please?😌💕
If you're interested in this trope you should watch Pedro Almodovar's Women on The Verge of a Nervous Breakdown which basically is a movie both relying on and calling out this trope.
Don't forget about the best angry woman, Ruth Langmore from Ozark.
She is, in a way, the opposite of what women are expected to do. Rather than hiding her anger behind politeness, she hides her emotions behind her anger.
This video should have done a subsection on Angry Young Women, because you see this exact same thing with Fish Tank and almost any fictionalised media involving poor or working class women. Hell, even Nancy Downs from The Craft could be included in that.
These videos are highly underrated. You guys put a lot of effort in these videos. Keep up the good work.
I find most "angry woman" characters to be indeed villainous, but unrealistic.
Also, being entirely consumed by anger and lashing out in the wrong place is never okay, but there's a distinction between deeply hurt people who are willing to learn and heal with help, and narcissistic types, most of whom are "lost causes" because of their denial. If we really wanna get to the root of the issue, we need to teach all kids emotional management and empathy.
Yes, and that although women can get angry, they don't necessarily stay so enraged that they go around committing assaults or other crimes. I'm surprised they didn't include Marmee in Little Women, who tells Jo she is 'angry every day' but she doesn't take it out on her daughters, they barely realize, while at the same time she is working at a Woman's Mission to do something constructive about what is angering her in the world about her.
Also, i can't help to notice the double standard and lies in the potrayal of anger. Female anger Is supposed to be scary and forbiden while in real life male anger Is the one who causes permanent damage and death to innocent people.
I’m angry because no one listens to me. Men think they know what is inside my head. And no one respects my boundaries and yet I’m supposed to respects your boundaries.
I wish you peace in your heart. Vengeance just poisons yourself. Trust me. Lived through a lot of shit. Peace be with you.
They know what’s in your head. They just don’t care because they’re evil.
OK, going to watch 'Promising young woman' today.
Oh come on what about Jade west from Victorious she’s an example of the Angry woman as well
Edit: as well as Sam Pucket from Icarly
ok, but Azula actually WAS a sociopath and evil
Azula definitely did horrible things. But you have to consider the way she grew up wasn't healthy at all. Azulas own mother rejected and feared her. Her own father Ozai, only appreciated her because she was useful for him. He paid attention to her, when she showed the "right" traits he wanted to see in her (for example her cruel, scaring and ruthless attitude or her good bending abilities, with these traits she's useful for her father's selflish plans). She obviously did everything she did to please her father, because then she would get acceptance and appreciation from him. At least her brother Zuko had a carrying uncle, what did Azula have? Nothing.
It's true. She was.
Day 19 of requesting crazy cat lady trope 😺
I love the Take! My favorite channel! These ladies know what they're talking about
Refusing to die out of spite is a level I don’t want to reach but I do want to have that level of strength.
It's sad how many people are unfair to azula even though they live the same situations as zuko
Zuko was the model victim because he had better outlets like Iroh and Aang, Katara and the gaang. Iroh is most directly at fault outside of Ursa and Ozai because he tended to favour Zuko over Azula.
As Mr Nancy said "anger gets shit done"
I remember being absolutely miserable in school which made me petty and had a chip on my shoulder every time the subject of school is brought up and even years later, people are telling me. "Calm down, get over it, move on!" Like the healthy thing is for me to move past it. I can never get any kind of retribution for it and I'm not allowed to get any retribution for it. To me, getting over it, is like admitting it never happened. I went through years of misery for nothing. You'd think that all that anger would at least yearn you the right to be angry and show anger but no. Calm down, angry girl, calm down!
Anger is a tool a person should be using in own favor and win at the situation. When it comes to confrontation, calm and smile is more terrifying than loud emotional response
We have to recognise that probably in part, it may be hysteria because society leads us to that. We are a society that has unhealthy patterns. Because we are forced to be calm and submissive, we don't develop tools to take out our frustration in a productive way. At the end of the day, we need to be the bigger person and look for ways to take out our frustration and be on top of the situation. That means working on our shadow.
Yes, smashing up someone's windscreen or kicking over some rubbish is not constructive. Male characters may not do that so much, but that is because they are allowed to 'fight', but in real life violence is almost always not constructive either.
My anger is more loyal to me than any other person I've ever cared about. It has pushed me to do build boundaries, stand up for myself, and not seeking anyone's approval.
If I could, I'd built a shrine to my anger. It's my best friend.
Please, could you make a video about stereotypes in American films and TV series about slavic women? Why are they shown as wh*res, strippers and materialistic women with a terrible accent? We are strong women forced to live in a patriarchal world, where men believe that women have all the rights simply because we can work and vote, but in fact women are forced to work and manage the household and children only by themselves, because men do not help and do not share this housework. But even under the pressure of patriarchy, we are good employees, employers, loving partners, mothers. We don't deserve such image in social media!
People who say "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" have never encountered a man whose ego has just taken a HIT. That reeling is a 1000x scarier and overreactive
Don’t know if this trope has an easy name, but it’s one that you see a lot; a person - usually a city-dweller - is rich/successful, thoroughly modern, and seemingly has their life put together, but underneath they may be harboring deep unhappiness (may not even realize it themselves). Suddenly their life is upended in some way and they’re forced to relocate to a much more rural/isolated area. At first they really struggle to fit it, but find a love interest from that area who helps them acclimate and appreciates them for who they are. In the end, they come to love the simpler environment and choose to stay there even if given the opportunity to return to the city. Works equally well with men and women.
Ah, the Hallmark Channel character.
@@Visplight They did do an essay on the hallmark Christmas movie craze, but this trope can be applied a lot more broadly.
I'm glad that at the end Jeanie let go of trying to get Ferris caught and simply went on with her life. No, Ferris shouldn't be allowed to get away with what he was doing, however she ain't her brother's keeper.
No that really annoyed me. It was irritating how she saved him for no reason, what because Charlie Sheen kissed her and when her parents will continue to treat her like shit? No ma'am.
That's such a smart point, that Angry Men are portrayed as righteously angry at "the system" whereas women's anger is portrayed as an individual pathology.
True. Fight Club was an interesting example, as their cause was somewhat irrational and not especially well thought out. Consumerism bad, and we don’t have dads, so let’s blow up some buildings? Okay.
The film itself may have been critiquing their terrorist nonsense, but that was lost on a lot of fans. And at no point we’re they mocked the way angry women are. No one called out how irrational or “hysterical” they were acting.
"There is something more dangerous in this world than a humiliated man. A nasty woman."
female anger is cute or annoying but male anger is actually life threatening
@@smartass0124 A friendly Pitbull does more damage than angry chihuahua.
Female anger can be awful as well. If she makes false rape allegations then she can ruin a man’s life. She can threaten to harm herself to get what she wants or actually harm herself and blame it on him. She can emotionally abuse people close to her, which can ruin their life.
Exactly. Men commit 98% of violent crime. If anything, man's anger is the one to get worried about.
Best example is *Angela Bassett in Waiting to Exhale.* For me, there is no equal.
I still have issues expressing anger as I was always told by my family to shut up and stop acting crazy and like a brat. Especially my dad, once I gathered the courage to ask why I had to make him a sandwich and not my brothers, he got angrier than ever because how did I dare question his authority. When I apologized he gaslighted me, telling me that he had asked me and not my brothers because " I was his favorite".
Always got better grades than my brothers, always been very logical and composed, but my dad assured me that my brother far surpassed me in intelligence and I just wasn't that smart.
My mom has always been deprived to do what she wanted to do, she was forbidden to work and then told she owed nothing and she was inferior because she didn't bring any money to the house and her housework and childcaring meant nothing because it didn't generate any money.
I have plenty more examples like these but I always double question myself when someone does something bad to me because it's hard for me to grasp the feeling of anger in myself, and that has resulted in letting a lot of people step over me.
Beatrix Kiddo got me through one of the most horrible eras of my life. She will probably remain my favorite angry woman. Julia Sugarbaker from Designing Women was one of the first angry opinionated women young me was really exposed to that was respected and wasn't punished for her anger like the old femme fatales.
Well there's a whole movie called Diary of An Angry Black Woman which you should look into.
And sometimes women’s anger is just blamed down to “that time of the month”, where people dismiss it to that and don’t listen to what she’s angry about. It’s very invalidating to women’s emotions.
Cersei and Regina george are my favorite angry women for very similar reasons. They are case studies of untapped feminine potential left to fester and turn toxic. Where would cersai be if her father had treated her as well as jaimie- or even better an equal- when planning hos take over of the throne? He wasted her on the role of brood mare and created his biggest obstacle- her resentful meddling.
Cersei with a dornish upbringing would have been a force to be reckoned with.
Finally a trope for me 😤
love these trope videos, very informative. I honestly can't wait for a Middle-Eastern woman trope -The Bundle in Black, the Bellydancer- and how the conflict in the Middle East influenced it.
Hidden Figures and Promising Young Woman are great, and depict female rage wonderfully.
I was waiting for this !!!!!!
Great movie. But you missed Eva Green as Artemisia.
In France we have an extreme example of this in the Charles perrault's novela " griselidis ". It is the story of a king who wants to test his wife, and therefore makes horrible things to her ( he makes her live in a room without light, takes her baby away from her saying that she is not good enough to educate her, makes her believe that the baby is dead, throw her away, aks her to prepare him for his new marriage...) just to test if she will get angry, and if she does, it would mean that she is a bad person... and the moral of this story is : she stayed calm all along so she is a good and pure woman... if you are curios, I encourage you to research about this story, it is horfull!
I am sorry if my comment is it very understandable, I am French and just in highscool so I don't really speak English...
This is another reason I love Jessica Jones. Jessica and Trish Walker have never told each other to calm down and they're awfully similar if you think about it - they've both been through horrific experiences, they're both angry and frequently, shamelessly act on it (sometimes productively, sometimes not). The show ends with very different endings for both of them and it's a cautionary tale about not letting your rage consume you, without shaming any of the women for expressing it.
The thing is what is legitimate anger?
For example is coming home from a long day tired and grumpy and then questioning or looking around for some minor thing that your daughter forgot to do during the day and then going absolutely apeshit and screaming at them over this one small thing because your tired is not legitimate anger. I just witnessed this exact scenario. And the problem ive noticed when a women is already in that state is that there is nothing you can do. Because they just double down and will never see they over reacted until maybe the next day or several hours later. And that is frustrating! Then they may apologize and say sorry I was just tired. And in those situations I would say that person has an anger issue.
Can you do the mistress trope or the hoodoo/voodoo trope?
I may catch a lot of flack for this, but Betty Draper is my favorite. She was a glamorous, intelligent woman who married a man that she thought would be her partner. She thought that she’d be by his side, engaging in interesting jaunts around the country and attending business dinners. She had the know-how and talent for it too. Instead, she was hidden in the home, cloistered from the partnership she dreamed she’d have. This, after being emotionally abused all her life. Even after seeking help, her confidence was was broken and she was treated like a child. Of course she was angry. I don’t condone her treatment of her children, but I’ll admit that I’ve had my Betty Draper moments as well. When you feel alone and oppressed, you break and sometimes innocent people get caught in the crossfire. The trouble was that Betty was always broken, again and again. She didn’t take the actual steps to put herself back together until the end, but that doesn’t make her evil. Her anger was maladaptive and hurt many people that did not deserve it- often egregiously- but her anger was also justified.
really loving the little discussions you've been having at the end there! been a fan of the take for a long time and you all never disappoint! so many thanks for starting meaningful conversations and crafting all these videos :-)
Love it!!!! So many movie recommendations here. "Expressing my opinion is not a terrorist action." I should tell my Mom that!
Loving these little chats afterwards
Hey It would be nice some warning for the horror section, I don't like to watch those.
Just a suggestion..
Love the videos!
Same, I was walking down a dark dirt track to my parents' house and was watching this video to stop feeling creeped out and then Bly Manor happened
My top 3 are 1. The Bride from Kill Bill 2. Regina George from Mean Girls and Chicago’s ‘Cell Block Tango’ with Velma Kelly as the lead! (Promising young woman is on my list but haven’t seen it yet) ❤️not ‘angry women’ more like ‘determined women’! (Regardless if they are doing smth right or wrong!)
Hard Candy is my top angry woman movie, it was nice to see it in here for even a couple of shots.
Starting with JLD as Selena Meyer The Vice President is a terrific way to begin❤️
"expressing my opinion is not a terrorist action" - amen, Julia!! She's one of my favorite "angry girls" (Kat from "10 Things I Hate About You"). She was amaze-balls going up against "Chachi"!
I'd be interested to see the Take looking at the portrayal of disabled characters in media