200 Amp underground service install.
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2023
- How to install a 200 amp underground service on a building or dwelling or wherever. If you have any questions just leave a comment and I will try to get back to you. Or you can email me directly at kisselectrical@gmail.com.
Well that’s a sight to see! It’s the rarest of sights to see an Electrition with a shovel.
I'm 64, I still use a shovel.
The PVC cement is the exact same stuff plumbers use... PVC is PVC. The real difference is that electricians probably use thicker cement, and they don't have to purple-prime the fittings before cementing. The factory bell ends on pipe segments make for a VERY strong coupling, too. PVC cement does a solvent weld. Great video, fun to watch heavy duty burial work!
Thanks!
I’m not sure if it is required in your area, but in south Missouri we have to use an expansion coupling any time conduit penetrates through earth. Helps with the conduit not warping or pulling the junctions apart whenever the backfill compacts or the house settles. Also, in my opinion oatey fusion is the BEST pvc glue for service laterals. It stays gummy for a little while longer and whenever hot pvc goes into cool earth, it will contract a bunch. Always seems to happen worse in the summer time, so the fusion glue helps with it not busting open over time. It just helps if you ever have to pull new conductors 4 or 5 years later. Great video, you guys both seem like very hard workers and do very high quality work! Thanks for the video!
@@alexg0097 That product claims it's self-priming too, so it's a one-step for both electricians and plumbers. Is it a purple glue that will satisfy plumbing inspection? These guys are down in Arkansas, maybe it's south enough where they don't need PVC expansion couplings.
@@aaron74 I have heard from the inspector in Jonesboro Arkansas that they don’t “require” expansion couplings. They just recommend them if the riser isn’t encased in concrete. But that was just one inspectors take on it. It is not a purple primer, but I feel like I had a plumber tell me he had used it to connect PVC to ABS with it. But, i’m an electrician, not a plumber if you know what I mean lol. Here in the southeast of missouri it gets really sandy or really rocky. There is basically no difference. In the sand I have seen almost a foot of settling on some risers, so I just always put them in and tell both of my guys to put them on every new service
@@alexg0097 Yeah I suppose expansion couplings can never hurt. It's good insurance to prevent a possible problem later!
Here in zip code 34698 and the area we put that ground wire in conduit to keep it from being stolen. Been retired 6 years now. Nice work guys.
Try tying a grocery bag or other thin plastic sheet to the pull string and use a shop vac to suck the string through. Works like an absolute charm! Great video. Thank you!
Expansion coupling for ground settling ?
Always apply solvent cement to both PVC surfaces to properly meld together.
Great video!
Learned a lot from the video and comments 😉
your video is on the money even without editing is very important that you give a little code and tips like you do thanks
Great vid thx. Keep it going!
Great video! I have to put in a utility pole and service combo later, and this will help
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
When storing your PVC cement be sure the dauber is screwed on tight and set the can down bottom side up. That way you won't get any air mixed in with the cement and it won't get all goopy. Thanks for the Vid, Super Electrician Guy!
i just put the can in a zip lock bag.
@@Pepe-dq2ib Check for leaks. The cement will eat up a sandwich bag.
@@leftylou6070 never had that happen, maybe because i use up a can in less than 3 months.
@@Pepe-dq2ib I've never had a can more than a day and a half.
@@leftylou6070 i mainly work with emt.
Shouldn't there have been an expansion coupling there at the house?
Its called a slip fitter.
I was trenchin for some electrical conduit, only had to be a 18 inch depth, but of the 400 foot run about 150 feet of it was about 2 inches of hardpan dirt, and another 16 inches through just a solid granite slab of rock, very fun day.
Thats when you pour 2" of cement over it so you only need 6 or 12" depth 😂
In my area clear PVC cement is used regularly. The gray cement can be used without cleaner. All PVC cement forms a solvent weld, not a chemical bond
What type of PVC were you using for the underground burial to the meter box ?
There just ain’t enough cats out there nicknamed Slim.
It seems like the carpenters were late so you blocked them with your service 😂
Appreciate the really nice explanation of how this is done. Just a couple of quick questions: 1. It appeared that you immediately backfilled after laying and securing the conduit. When are inspections done in your area for depth and correct conduit thickness? 2. How does one handle a situation if the house in not complete and ready for mounting the electrical box, can a temporary location (close to the house) be used to install the temporary service. Do you ever do this type of install? Thanks and again great job.
We call for the inspection after we lay the pipe. We use sweeping 90’s that are 3’. We do so much work in that area the inspectors know us quite well. We use the temporary power pole until we have complete the service. We have the utilities company disconnect the temp and terminate the power to the new dwelling at the same time.
awesome stuff. How much would you charge for this job?
really video and I leanred a lot! I have a quick question, centerpoint in Houston just moved the power pole in my backyard to another location. what kind of electrician should I look for to do the underground service installation? and will the power line and internet cable go into one conduit and will be connect by the electrician in one job? Do I need to call AT&T or something? thank you!
They may do it for you for a fee however a local residential contractor can handle it. As far as multiple utilities going in the same ditch, they probably will have to be separated either by depth or width. AT&T will likely send their own contractors to do the work. Thanks for watching!
we are required to use a slip coupling up to any enclosure. Do you ever use a wet vac to pull string in?
They do not require an expansion coupling in our pvc runs in my area unless the prints specify it. Yes, we use wet vacuums to pull string if we get it loaded up on the truck 😂
In Tennessee the ground Rod has to go 8 foot and if it’s driven at a 45 angle it’s got to be 7foot
How do you ground the house ?
ground rod and ground wire. i thought 2 ground rods are needed. and you need to wrap ground wire around rod. and not the U hhook like thing you did? or is server smaller and not needed?
So the code actually says 25 ohms of resistance or less and if you can not achieve that, then an extra ground rod is required. Our soil allows us to achieve those values so we are allowed by code and by our local authority having jurisdiction to use the single grounding electrode.
My understanding is at 30” you can do direct burial. Did you do conduit because the utility company will run cable much later?
Yes, the utility company in my area will pull in their conductors in the conduit once the city passes the inspection on the service. That’s why we put the string in the conduit. They are a bunch of babies. 😜🤪
Great Video, just what i needed for our RV pad!!! How did you film this, did you wear a camera on like a head band?
Yes, I filmed will a GoPro. It’s hard for me to film everything I do. The battery don’t last long.
@@Kisselectric you did a great job! I might try that method! Thanks!
Is the sweep 90 required by the utilitie company or for ease of pulling
Yes
Electrician’s hammer😂
Just wondering how much something like this job, pays.
All schedule #80 or just the vertical ? What size service wire in the conduit for 200 amp service?
Scheduled 80 on the 90 and vertical
What about the wire sizes?
Expansion Joint not required in your area ?
No, unless it is in the specifications.
Would like to see you wire the panel as well…maybe next one 🥃
It typically takes me 2 hours to wire a 200 amp panel. Really depends on how many home runs we have but that’s pretty close. There are people that can make pretty panels. Mine are just ok at best because I gotta get it done and I don’t have a lot of time to waste on making it “pretty”.
I will try to get you a video though.
@@Kisselectric if you were installing a new panel, but knew you were going to add a sub panel beside it in the future, could you leave an extra couple feet of wire rolled up above the main panel? How would you do it?
Sub panels are fed from a main panel. There are steps that could be taken to leave conductors safed off in a main so you could set a sub panel later. Depending on the location of the sub panel if you left conductors in an attic you would have to place them in a j-box with a cover incase they were to become energized.
@@Kisselectric I should've been more clear...the future sub panel would be for a solar inverter to power up, not directly from the main panel...I'm wondering how to leave an extra couple feet on the wire to reach the sub panel when solar is installed...will it break code to have a couple extra feet of wire wrapped above the main panel? It will make the sub panel so much easier...
Usually in new constructions they run Telco and Coax Cable Conduits. Why was this not done in the same trench?
In our area, fiber is being installed by a separate contractor. Depending on the builder or home owner we will run coax, cat 5 or cat 6 to bedrooms and a drop in the living room.
I was told that nothing else can go into that trench. No communication, no low voltage, no water supply lines, etc. Is that true? There should be no electrical interference with fiber optic, but could save some money on digging another trench.
Does the same principle apply to running service to a shed or another building on the property from the main meter ?
@@mar1video I guess it depends on the jurisdiction. When they built my new construction, they had a single trench for all electrical, telco, and coax. The single trench ran about 150 yards.
@@drwhoeric - I’m always trying to find out more details before the project to avoid surprises
No Expansion nipple😢😢😢
what size wire and how long was the run?
80’ and 4/0 aluminum
Make sure you fire whoever that is in the background. 😂😂
Install a big red light outside your room. “Quiet now” . It will be helpful in many situations 😜
2" 36" radius 90 degree elbow. Edison makes us install a 3" conduit for a 200 amp panel. Then they make us mandrel the pipe. Wow , where is the second ground rod?
The code says 25 ohms of resistance or less to ground is required and if it isn’t then add another grounding electrode. In most cases around here due to the fact that the earth has good soil.
Did dist for 20 years 4" to 6"
Most south carolina do this method.
I thought code since at least 2017 requires 2 ground rods at least 6 feet apart and the conductor from panel must be a single continuous wire that connects to both ground rods. At least that is what I read in a 2017 code book.
That's what I thought too and it was kind of strange that he only did one rod.
I will have to do a grounding electrode video. There are exceptions to the second grounding electrode. Also, it really depends mostly on the authority having jurisdiction (inspector).
You only need1rod as your supplementary grounding electrode if you have a ufer ground or a cold water pipe grounding electrode with at least 10' of bonded copper water pipe extending from the house. After the 10' you can change to plastic.
Your riser coming up out of the earth really should have been rigid or imc conduit, not plastic.
@@johndavies2949 No supplementary electrode needed with a ufer.
What kinda siding going on the house? If its brick your in a bad way as you should mount your meter base main on the surface of the brick. Same thing if aluminum or vinyl siding. They cant get the siding behind the meter base. They will have to work around it and thats not goid because after a few years water will get behind the meter and rot away the wood.
I agree with you as far as there is a potential for water to get behind it. I believe the siding guy will J-channel around it and also break in some aluminum. Thanks for watching!
Would of watched full video but with all the camera movements I stopped its so annoying and very dizzying
Missing expansion fitting.
Really that lazy just drop the knockout in the trench your company name . What the rest of the job like .
Not code. Glue must be on male and female ends
i don't like that you drop the knockout in the trench. Good contractors clean up after themselves
I had to stop watching. I couldn’t get through the entire video with all that annoying background noise
You should have pulled mule tape, so you won't dig into sweeps