It absolutely blows my mind the wealth of knowledge you have and are willing to share. I have never once skipped even a second of your videos. They are literally a goldmine
Thank you! Your technique, conservative adjustments steps, and detailed narrative are my now gold standard. Investing so much time for sharing knowledge vs. learning is greatly appreciated! Your videos in general are outstanding! Thanks again.
All the more reason to be methodical in your zeroing process, as Aaron advocates. Tip: After zeroing for your carry ammo, get a good quality boresight laser cartridge, determine where the laser dot is with respect to your red dot optic at 25 yards, and make a note (usually they don’t exactly match up). Then, when you need to re-check zero (after an RMR battery change, for example) you can use the boresight to re-check the relative zero (relative to your actual red dot) and get closer with less ammo. In three years doing this sort of thing, I have yet to see any real zeroing change from mounting/dismounting RMR’s with well engineered mounting solutions and a calibrated torque wrench (using plates with precise RMR posts, mill jobs with precise RMR posts). Plates without posts, or direct-mill jobs without posts, or free-handing the bolts, will often require an actual re-zero. YMMV.
@@shinigami1925 why is the red dot zero different from what you co-witness with iron sights? (sorry for the dumb question) I'm guessing it is related to how you shoot vs where the sights point, but that would require your shooting to be very consistently away from where the sights line up, wouldn't it?
@@chtomlin Irons are regulated for 15 yards in my particular case. Some folks roll without irons at all (many gamers). So the bore laser solution is an independent means to solve the issue with less ammo.
Another great explanation and I got the first video. Since I have and MRO on my AR15 that I full co witness, I just zeroed the RMR directly not relying on slaving. Didn’t see the need to. Your videos helped me adjust to it very quickly and I appreciate it. “Raise the back plate to your nose and you will pick up the red dot”. The best tip!! Thanks Aaron.
Aaron is an absolute gold mine of information. Anytime I’m going to make a purchase, I check and see if he has a review on whatever it is I’m buying. Love your content Aaron! Keep it up
This came out at the perfect time. I just bought my first RMR (RM06) and as soon as the sights get here (friday) it's going on the gun. Another chunk of information right when I needed it 🤙🏻
Thank you for this video. Definitely cleared up the bit of confusion that was left about zeroing a red dot, at least for me. Looks like I've got some range time when I get home!
Very informative update video. Thanks for taking the time to make this. I’m going to go back through my zero on my CZ P10C with an RMR while using this video to make sure it’s right. This year I’m going to make sure I take a handgun training course. I would love to take a carbine course also but I don’t think the funds will allow both. That will give me something to look forward to for next year.
thanks for the clarification. I actually commented on your last video when you said you should never slave your red dot to your iron sights and referenced an even earlier video when you said you should...now it makes sense. I really enjoy your videos. Your passion educating people really comes through. No ego or macho bullshit, I wold love to attend one of your training classes.
Ammo was MORE expensive in 2020. Even range ammo was nearly 70¢ a round...at least we are down to 34-40. Carry ammo is another story...might have to move away from HST until it settles.
Thanks for this video, I am getting ready to do a glock mos build with a trijicon rmr hrs. I will definitely be watching this again when I get finished with the build.
Thank you for you insight into this! I started the slave process but didnt think about swapping out to the actual carry ammo, the thought never came to mind! This is why i love your videos, you make me think and point out when i dont! Cant wait to see you review the up coming Aimpoint ACRO sight to see how it compares to the tried and true RMR's.
Can’t thank you enough for these videos. I would be so lost using my rmr without them, and now see how I’ve been using other red dots incorrectly as well. It’s easy to see why people just give up trying, but I’d say they didn’t find your channel!🤙
Excellent method. Im old school and feel very at home w good iron sights. However a properly zeroed red dot is pretty damn incredible. Thank you for sharing. Used this w my optic cut. Thanks
I24gr federal American Eagle is very close to 124 gr gold dot in my VP 9 Thank you for making these videos they have been invaluable to me and many other shooters. I appreciate you sharing your wealth of knowledge
April, 2019: "Handgun ammunition isn't that expensive." October, 2020: "We are changing from five-shot strings to one-shot strings." ;) Thank you for this very informative video. I am pretty new to red dots and this helped me a lot.
Ammo is CRAZY. I just bought a Glock 19 and I didn't know about the ammo situation, while they were running me to buy the gun I was looking at ammo, i saw the G2 RIP ammo (60 bucks for 20) and i told the guy " man these bullets better kill my target without me aiming" and he looked at me like I was nuts, I then kept looking at the ammo seeing similar prices, I was like.... WTF???
In January 2020 you could buy a box 9mm fmj for less than $10.00 that same box today if you can find it is $60 to $70 Cheaper than dirt is robbing people blind best advise go to your store everyday a couple if you can
@@stratkiller2531 Please do no buy or carry that gimmicky RIP ammo. Get a good quality hollow point like Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Defense or something similar.
in the military we changed from 5 to 3. becaue the thought behind it is, if you cant hit it with 3, wont hit it with 5. save the 2 rounds add 1 round and adjust the group
Great video! Thanks for taking the time! I'm about to purchase a Trijicon SRO, 5 MOA for a Glock 17, gen 5. This is strictly for competition shooting. I would choose the RMR for carry. This will be my first experience with Dots. Thanks for your help! Scott from Dallas, Tx.
Great video and informative. I just received my first red dot for my Sig firearm and looking forward to taking your advise here on sighting it in.. thanks and look forward to others that you can help us out along the way to good shooting
Very well made video. Very helpful and informative. Getting ready to zero my new RMR HRS Type 2 onto a G17 Gen4. Thank you for this video. Wasn't sure if I needed to zero at 10 or 25. Also I am going to try the 10/25 yard target you showed, then move out to 25 yards using my carry ammo. I am brand new to running a red dot on a handgun. Wish me luck.
Cleared up a lot for me …. i was struggling hard .. took your advice and fundamentals and in few days of practice….laying in some nice groups at 25 yards… Thanks ..
Mind briefly summing it up for me? Im kinda lost on how his Dot teleported to the middle of the glass on the last visual image at the end compared to the previous images
Aaron, thank you so much for this video. Lots of great info, answered every single question I was thinking of to zero my RMR equipped Glock 19 MOS. Thanks again, and keep up the great work.
If I don’t have a sand bag on me I also use my zip lock bag filled with 9mm rounds in it for surprisingly good improvised stability. Great vid as always bro
Thank you I feel like I have a platform to go off of when I'm zeroing my holosun 507c on my glock 19 mos but I did mill the screw holes so there a little deeper so it will not come loose or move at all I've shot 2,500 rounds and so far so good so thank you earen I really appreciate the time that you take to put out such informational vids man 🙌🏼
@@roba168 Rob, I have a Holosun 507c and 507c v2 and I love both of them. I think its ridiculous that it went up like $80 for v2 for the battery compartment to be on top. Aaron very good videos on the Holosuns.
Thanks for posting this video and your video "Why you should never slave your red dot to the iron sights." Your videos were extremely helpful. By habit I had gotten it all wrong. I used the incorrect technique when I shot and placed the red dot on the front sight. On my next trip to the range, I will re-zero the red dot reflex sight and start with placing the red dot on the front sight and then when I bisect the dot I'll move on and continue the sight zeroing process by placing the red dot in the center of the lens window so that I will be able to shot by centering the red dot in the middle of in the window and place that red dot directly on the target.
Just found your channel. Eye opener! Recently picked up a S&W Victory 22 for use as a range gun because of ammo cost. Just mounted a Vortex Venom and really didn't know where to start. I'm thinking this is a less expensive way to learn red dots. I also have a S&W M&P 2.0 that has the slide cut and plates for red dot mounting. I'll be reviewing more of your videos for suggestions on what to get for it. Thanks for your time and no-nonsense info.
In my experience, if you carry Federal 147 gr HST standard pressure than you can use speer lawman 147 gr or American eagle 147 gr (I believe they are they same loading - just different brands from the same manufacturer) for the intial zero and then only need to make make minor adjustments with HST, saving a significant amount of premium carry ammo. In the long run it may be worth finding a range ammo that performs similarly to your carry ammo just for this purpose.
Good tip... Fyi, Speer and American Eagle are brands owned by Federal Ammunition, which of course makes Federal HST as well.... Federal does now offer a “train and protect” package which gives you training fmj and hst of the same weight and is supposedly the same trajectory/velocity etc.
The illustrations are a great idea. I've had a few people ask to look through my RMR equipped G19 at some local matches. First thing they do is line up the irons and comment that the dot is below. I try to explain. Still amazes me that people who couldn't imagine shooting a carbine without a dot can't open up their minds to shooting a pistol with a dot. I don't even waste my breath anymore, and exclusively refer people to your videos, whether it's for techniques like this one or tests of various dots.
I know someone who at first thought he had to flip up ONLY the front sight on his carbine to shoot, thinking he was supposed to put the dot on the front sight post to aim. It only took one shot after I had him lower the irons to see they were irrelevant when using a dot, so at least he wasn’t stubborn whatsoever, but still, who told him that?????? My point is just that yup, there’s a ton of confusion about optics out there, even decades into red dots.
@@f308gtb1977 I have 3 long guns with front sight towers that have dots...haha .. I don't even notice them anymore, just like the RMR housing on the pistol. Target focus is key.
So much knowledge I had to watch your video at least 8 times...I had a hard time wrapping my brain around the fact of you using iron sites to start off but then magically the red dot appears in the center of the glass. How can iron sights and the red dot both be accurate but yet so far away from each other?...After the first illustration showing you using iron sights you said specifically “shoot using the red dot and keep it in the center of the glass”. That’s where it all made sense. Of course on the eighth time watching your video. Sorry for the long comment but you have a new subscriber and I appreciate all the knowledge.
I got into pistol red RDS a year ago. I couldn't tell you how many people say that to co-witness the dot to the front sight is the correct way. I never did agree with that for all the reasons you stated. What I like best about RDS on different pistols I own is that the POA and POI is the same for every gun. With iron sights I have guns with a combat hold, center hold and my adjustable sights a 6 O'clock hold which I prefer. With a RDS I use the same hold on every firearm.
Thank you for the video and making it more clear . My problem is I've got a CZ shadow2 mounted with a Trijicon rmr MR07 , once the Reddot is mounted I loose the rear sight . How can I zero the reddot without the use of that rear sight ?
I put 1" orange stickies on a target. Walk up to 3yds and shoot a few rounds (don't bother cowitnessing). Make COARSE adjustments. Check with 1-2 rds. Make another correction if necessary. Back up to 5yds, recheck. Adjust if necessary. At this point I'll back up to 15 or 25 for my final zero. The final zero I do just like you, from a flat top using a bag, 5-10 rd groups. The biggest difference is dealing with the frustration of trying to sight in a red dot from 25 at the beginning. It's hard to even see the hits at 25 (binos are good to have). Anyway, I tell people just start at 3yds and work backward. I'm convinced its quicker and less frustrating.
Awesome info, im going to zero my new RMR this week! Question, what happens if once I zero my RMR with 115gr Fiocchi or S&B (range gun), if I try my carry ammo any its way off. At that point do you recommend trying a different carry ammo?
Perfect timing, I’m going to set my new carry pistol this way. Another thing to mention. When ammo was more readily available, I would get a new firearm, I would get 6-8 different brands (same weight) of ammo to see what the pistol preferred. You can then see if that brand makes defense ammo (jhp). You would be surprised how many people run one ammo brand and assume the firearm is inaccurate.
The crimp jump is what I look for in carry ammo, GOLD DOT is very good as far as that is concerned. THANKS FOR SHARING.... Saving lives, money ,and time, one video at a time....
Sir, I just got my Glock slide back milled with the RMR ans the rear notch forward of the RMR, like yours, and I’m also running an x300U... is the Safariland 6354 DO Holster good for it, or would it require any mod work done to the holster??? I saw in a prior video that your run that holster with the same configuration. That’s why I ask. Thanks for your time.
What does a 25Y zero do at 50Y with 124gr ammo? With regular iron sights, I have to aim about 6"-8" low to hit at 50Y, but I assume I'd have to aim dead center or high for 100Y. I'm wondering how a red-dot affects POI at distance SINCE the dot is much higher over the bore then regular iron sights.
What about using a bore sight instead of slaving to your irons for a basic zero? The reason I ask is bc I have a 9mm luger bore sight just to make zeroing easier for the few 9mm carbines I have
Hey Aaron, first off I want to thank you for all the knowledge you share. It’s good to know there is somewhere you can turn to for unbiased information. I’m just wondering what you have found to be the best zero for 45 acp. I know for 9mm , you go with 25 yds (as do I from your videos). I just haven’t been able to find any good content in regards to 45. I’m using Speer Lawman 230 grain through an FNX 45 Tactical mounted with a Trijicon RMR. Thanks again for all you do.
For those wondering why the final illustration shows the dot high above the perfectly aligned iron sights, that is because the illustration is incorrect. The front sight should be slightly high in relation to the rear sight. The dot and sights would line back up if the pistol was slightly aimed down. It’s all a matter of perspective based on where the eye is in relation to the pistol. I posted this explanation in another thread: The final illustration is inaccurate because the iron sight alignment didn’t change, but the dot alignment did. The front sight should be slightly above the rear sight when the dot is up in the window. The dot is moving up because the pistol is being aimed slightly “up”, but the eye level is going with the dot. If you use a rifle with lower 1/3 irons, the same thing happens. You CAN perfectly co-witness the irons with the dot, but when actually using the dot, the irons will not be part of the sight alignment anymore.
I have a friend who has an RMR sighted pistol. It drives him crazy b/c it was zeroed slave to the irons. The red dot appears super low looking through his RMR. Is he using the sight incorrectly or is it incorrectly slaved too low to the irons?
Thank you. This was driving me crazy. I understand now. Even though the zero is under the front post, when tilting the firearm up to put the dot in the middle of the window, it is still zeroed under the front post. Just an optical illusion.
@SageDynamics - I'm a new shooter and bought a G19 Gen5 MOS with the intention of learning iron sights and then putting on an optic. Based on your experience, would you recommend I put the optic on right away and start learning the pistol that way instead? I understand the fundamentals of using a pistol don't change (grip, stance, sight picture sight alignment, breathing, trigger control) and that the biggest advantage is allowing the shooter to threat focus. Thanks in advance for your feedback
VintageGold There’s pros and cons to both. By starting with optics you remove one of the difficulties which I think helps very new shooters get the basics of grip, trigger press, etc. Although once they get the basics down I recommend going to irons to continue development, it’s hard to go back to shooting irons once you get the dot down, it’s a good skill to have though. I learned pistol all irons, and rifle with optics. I can honestly say I’ve never gone back and gotten good at rifle with irons. I imagine if I started with dots on pistols it would be the same. Kind of like learning to drive a manual or an automatic first, it’s going to depend on how you learn best.
question, if i shoot 115 grain range ammo and 147 grain carry ammo. 1. is this a bad habit i need to change? 2. is it easy or difficult to memorize the variance between the two rounds and make adjustments when i go to the range and when i leave the range?
What about slaving your irons to your red dot once you have zeroed your red dot correctly. I used the dot to help adjust my rear iron sight be as close to proper windage as possible. I assume thats the most accurate way to adjust my irons???
Regarding the "first step" - Slaving dot to iron sights"; do you mean shifting the gun until the dot is at the front sight or dialing it down? - thanks and regards from austria @SageDynamics
Question... Wouldn't a viced down/benched zero be as precise the gun can shoot? Basically what I'm saying it if you bench zero and pick up the gun and shoot not as clean of a group isn't that technically the human error that needs to be adjusted instead of how you zeroed it?
Hey Mr Aaron, I just getting into red dot on handguns. I just ordered a Vortex Viper. Now I also just bought a Sig P320 x compact with the comman Sig night sights, but to put the red dot on I have to take rear plate off and the rear sight is built into the plate and the front sight isn’t suppressor height sight. So when I get ready to zero my red dot do I still merry up the red dot to top of front sight?
I had to check when this aired when he said " handgun ammo in the scheme of things doesn't cost that much" yeah the good ole days lol
Welcome to Life as we know it in the rest of the World...
I did the same exact thing
Invest in reloading equipment and you can make a 50 round box of 9mm for 6-8 bucks....
@@Mab7n if you can find primers
@@Mab7n With what? Primers are rarer than cartridges at this point.
It absolutely blows my mind the wealth of knowledge you have and are willing to share. I have never once skipped even a second of your videos. They are literally a goldmine
Absolute FACT.
Thank you! Your technique, conservative adjustments steps, and detailed narrative are my now gold standard. Investing so much time for sharing knowledge vs. learning is greatly appreciated! Your videos in general are outstanding! Thanks again.
10:23 Yeah those were the days. August 2020 here.
All the more reason to be methodical in your zeroing process, as Aaron advocates. Tip: After zeroing for your carry ammo, get a good quality boresight laser cartridge, determine where the laser dot is with respect to your red dot optic at 25 yards, and make a note (usually they don’t exactly match up). Then, when you need to re-check zero (after an RMR battery change, for example) you can use the boresight to re-check the relative zero (relative to your actual red dot) and get closer with less ammo. In three years doing this sort of thing, I have yet to see any real zeroing change from mounting/dismounting RMR’s with well engineered mounting solutions and a calibrated torque wrench (using plates with precise RMR posts, mill jobs with precise RMR posts). Plates without posts, or direct-mill jobs without posts, or free-handing the bolts, will often require an actual re-zero. YMMV.
Shini Gami - great advice! Thanks for the input!
Didn't age well lol
@@shinigami1925 why is the red dot zero different from what you co-witness with iron sights? (sorry for the dumb question) I'm guessing it is related to how you shoot vs where the sights point, but that would require your shooting to be very consistently away from where the sights line up, wouldn't it?
@@chtomlin Irons are regulated for 15 yards in my particular case. Some folks roll without irons at all (many gamers). So the bore laser solution is an independent means to solve the issue with less ammo.
Another great explanation and I got the first video. Since I have and MRO on my AR15 that I full co witness, I just zeroed the RMR directly not relying on slaving. Didn’t see the need to. Your videos helped me adjust to it very quickly and I appreciate it. “Raise the back plate to your nose and you will pick up the red dot”. The best tip!! Thanks Aaron.
Aaron is an absolute gold mine of information. Anytime I’m going to make a purchase, I check and see if he has a review on whatever it is I’m buying. Love your content Aaron! Keep it up
Fully agree
Yes, waiting for Aaron's review of the new Holosun V2 optics before I buy one!
@@MrKlein83 I just bought one and I love it!!
Top shelf testing, observations & reasoning. The best on the internet.
He talked me into a trijicon RMR
Watching this later. I’m going to start using red dots soon. Your videos on red dots are all saved for later. Thanks so much for these.
This channel is so freaking underrated. Easily should be a 1mil+ subscribed channel.
This came out at the perfect time. I just bought my first RMR (RM06) and as soon as the sights get here (friday) it's going on the gun. Another chunk of information right when I needed it 🤙🏻
Thank you for this video. Definitely cleared up the bit of confusion that was left about zeroing a red dot, at least for me. Looks like I've got some range time when I get home!
Very informative update video. Thanks for taking the time to make this. I’m going to go back through my zero on my CZ P10C with an RMR while using this video to make sure it’s right. This year I’m going to make sure I take a handgun training course. I would love to take a carbine course also but I don’t think the funds will allow both. That will give me something to look forward to for next year.
Great video that goes step by step on the zeroing of a handgun optic. Thank you foe the knowledge.
thanks for the clarification. I actually commented on your last video when you said you should never slave your red dot to your iron sights and referenced an even earlier video when you said you should...now it makes sense. I really enjoy your videos. Your passion educating people really comes through. No ego or macho bullshit, I wold love to attend one of your training classes.
Aaron in 2020: "Handgun ammunition in the grand scheme of things isn't all that expensive."
Me in 2021: "It just cost me $25 to zero my red dot."
2019*
Anmo started getting expensive beginning of 2020.
25 for the range and 30 for ammo...
Ammo was MORE expensive in 2020. Even range ammo was nearly 70¢ a round...at least we are down to 34-40. Carry ammo is another story...might have to move away from HST until it settles.
I found some hst for a little over a buck a round and I bought 3 boxes. And my 10mm is like 35 bucks for 50 rounds
If it costs you that much to zero, than you have bigger problems.
Bro Aaron, you are becoming the YT king of weapon and ammunition eduction. Love your content, deliverey, and knowledge of all your work.
Wow! This is the best video I have seen on zeroing the red dot. Thanks!
Thanks for this video, I am getting ready to do a glock mos build with a trijicon rmr hrs. I will definitely be watching this again when I get finished with the build.
Thank you for you insight into this! I started the slave process but didnt think about swapping out to the actual carry ammo, the thought never came to mind! This is why i love your videos, you make me think and point out when i dont! Cant wait to see you review the up coming Aimpoint ACRO sight to see how it compares to the tried and true RMR's.
Can’t thank you enough for these videos. I would be so lost using my rmr without them, and now see how I’ve been using other red dots incorrectly as well. It’s easy to see why people just give up trying, but I’d say they didn’t find your channel!🤙
Aaron you absolutely rock! Thanks for posting this as I am about to setup my first pistol with a dot and this will help tremendously.
I'm definitely going to try your zero technique as soon as I get to the range with my new RDS. Thanks for the knowledge👍
Thank you for the info. I’m new to using RMR and this is very helpful.
Excellent method. Im old school and feel very at home w good iron sights. However a properly zeroed red dot is pretty damn incredible. Thank you for sharing. Used this w my optic cut. Thanks
I knew what you meant about slaving your dot to the irons as a starting point for your zero👍🏻 thank you for the videos
I24gr federal American Eagle is very close to 124 gr gold dot in my VP 9 Thank you for making these videos they have been invaluable to me and many other shooters. I appreciate you sharing your wealth of knowledge
Thank you so much man. I love your videos. I’ve been practicing with a pistol optic and it’s much more tricky than I thought it’d be.
Yes it is at first even coming from a rifle red dot, but after you get used to it you get much better easier and realize there's no going back 😂
April, 2019: "Handgun ammunition isn't that expensive."
October, 2020: "We are changing from five-shot strings to one-shot strings." ;)
Thank you for this very informative video. I am pretty new to red dots and this helped me a lot.
Ammo is CRAZY. I just bought a Glock 19 and I didn't know about the ammo situation, while they were running me to buy the gun I was looking at ammo, i saw the G2 RIP ammo (60 bucks for 20) and i told the guy " man these bullets better kill my target without me aiming" and he looked at me like I was nuts, I then kept looking at the ammo seeing similar prices, I was like.... WTF???
In January 2020 you could buy a box 9mm fmj for less than $10.00 that same box today if you can find it is $60 to $70 Cheaper than dirt is robbing people blind best advise go to your store everyday a couple if you can
@@stratkiller2531 Please do no buy or carry that gimmicky RIP ammo. Get a good quality hollow point like Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Defense or something similar.
in the military we changed from 5 to 3. becaue the thought behind it is, if you cant hit it with 3, wont hit it with 5. save the 2 rounds add 1 round and adjust the group
Great video! Thanks for taking the time! I'm about to purchase a Trijicon SRO, 5 MOA for a Glock 17, gen 5. This is strictly for competition shooting. I would choose the RMR for carry. This will be my first experience with Dots. Thanks for your help! Scott from Dallas, Tx.
Dude, you’re so clear. An outstanding teacher. Thank you.
Great video and informative. I just received my first red dot for my Sig firearm and looking forward to taking your advise here on sighting it in.. thanks and look forward to others that you can help us out along the way to good shooting
EXCELLENT AN EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE VIDEO!!!!!! Very helpful and needed.
Very well made video. Very helpful and informative. Getting ready to zero my new RMR HRS Type 2 onto a G17 Gen4. Thank you for this video. Wasn't sure if I needed to zero at 10 or 25. Also I am going to try the 10/25 yard target you showed, then move out to 25 yards using my carry ammo. I am brand new to running a red dot on a handgun. Wish me luck.
So how did it end up going for you?
Thanks Aaron for the knowledge an how to sight in my Red Dot on my handgun Sir.
Thank you. I look forward to applying these amazing concepts!
Once again Sage Dynamics always puts great content. This Scholar really breaks down the Schematics and the Science ❤ it 🥳
Cleared up a lot for me …. i was struggling hard .. took your advice and fundamentals and in few days of practice….laying in some nice groups at 25 yards… Thanks ..
Mind briefly summing it up for me? Im kinda lost on how his Dot teleported to the middle of the glass on the last visual image at the end compared to the previous images
I didn't see your first video but came across this one which helped me a lot made more sense than other vids I seen thanks!!!!
Great video on just what I needed when I needed it! I just subscribed! The knowledge you have is incredible. Thanks!
Thank you for the video! Very knowledgeable. I enjoy your content 🇺🇸
Aaron, thank you so much for this video. Lots of great info, answered every single question I was thinking of to zero my RMR equipped Glock 19 MOS. Thanks again, and keep up the great work.
Awesome video. Extremely informative and common sense!
New red dot guy. Hit the CZcams’s before I developed bad habits. This guys series on red dot issues is very helpful. Good job 👍.
If I don’t have a sand bag on me I also use my zip lock bag filled with 9mm rounds in it for surprisingly good improvised stability. Great vid as always bro
ziplock bag and rice
I would like to buy your Zip-loc of 9mm😅
This comment didn’t age well lol
THIS is exactly what I needed...thanks so much.
Now I just need to find an optic specific handgun class near me.
Thank you I feel like I have a platform to go off of when I'm zeroing my holosun 507c on my glock 19 mos but I did mill the screw holes so there a little deeper so it will not come loose or move at all I've shot 2,500 rounds and so far so good so thank you earen I really appreciate the time that you take to put out such informational vids man 🙌🏼
Charles hood how are you liking that optic I been thinking about getting it over the Trijicon
@@roba168 Rob, I have a Holosun 507c and 507c v2 and I love both of them. I think its ridiculous that it went up like $80 for v2 for the battery compartment to be on top. Aaron very good videos on the Holosuns.
Great video, brother! I’m excited to up my RDS pistol game after years of shooting rifle and sub gun RDS’s. . . Don’t get old!
Thanks for posting this video and your video "Why you should never slave your red dot to the iron sights." Your videos were extremely helpful. By habit I had gotten it all wrong. I used the incorrect technique when I shot and placed the red dot on the front sight. On my next trip to the range, I will re-zero the red dot reflex sight and start with placing the red dot on the front sight and then when I bisect the dot I'll move on and continue the sight zeroing process by placing the red dot in the center of the lens window so that I will be able to shot by centering the red dot in the middle of in the window and place that red dot directly on the target.
Just found your channel. Eye opener! Recently picked up a S&W Victory 22 for use as a range gun because of ammo cost. Just mounted a Vortex Venom and really didn't know where to start. I'm thinking this is a less expensive way to learn red dots. I also have a S&W M&P 2.0 that has the slide cut and plates for red dot mounting. I'll be reviewing more of your videos for suggestions on what to get for it. Thanks for your time and no-nonsense info.
In my experience, if you carry Federal 147 gr HST standard pressure than you can use speer lawman 147 gr or American eagle 147 gr (I believe they are they same loading - just different brands from the same manufacturer) for the intial zero and then only need to make make minor adjustments with HST, saving a significant amount of premium carry ammo. In the long run it may be worth finding a range ammo that performs similarly to your carry ammo just for this purpose.
Good tip...
Fyi, Speer and American Eagle are brands owned by Federal Ammunition, which of course makes Federal HST as well.... Federal does now offer a “train and protect” package which gives you training fmj and hst of the same weight and is supposedly the same trajectory/velocity etc.
My POI is very different when using federal 147g flat nosed fmj vs 147g HST!!!
@@gamebred5xthen use speerlawman, it’s the closest for me. Even 124
The illustrations are a great idea. I've had a few people ask to look through my RMR equipped G19 at some local matches. First thing they do is line up the irons and comment that the dot is below. I try to explain. Still amazes me that people who couldn't imagine shooting a carbine without a dot can't open up their minds to shooting a pistol with a dot. I don't even waste my breath anymore, and exclusively refer people to your videos, whether it's for techniques like this one or tests of various dots.
I know someone who at first thought he had to flip up ONLY the front sight on his carbine to shoot, thinking he was supposed to put the dot on the front sight post to aim. It only took one shot after I had him lower the irons to see they were irrelevant when using a dot, so at least he wasn’t stubborn whatsoever, but still, who told him that??????
My point is just that yup, there’s a ton of confusion about optics out there, even decades into red dots.
@@f308gtb1977 I have 3 long guns with front sight towers that have dots...haha .. I don't even notice them anymore, just like the RMR housing on the pistol. Target focus is key.
So much knowledge I had to watch your video at least 8 times...I had a hard time wrapping my brain around the fact of you using iron sites to start off but then magically the red dot appears in the center of the glass. How can iron sights and the red dot both be accurate but yet so far away from each other?...After the first illustration showing you using iron sights you said specifically “shoot using the red dot and keep it in the center of the glass”. That’s where it all made sense. Of course on the eighth time watching your video. Sorry for the long comment but you have a new subscriber and I appreciate all the knowledge.
Second time watching this video. It gets better every time I watch it.
I got into pistol red RDS a year ago. I couldn't tell you how many people say that to co-witness the dot to the front sight is the correct way. I never did agree with that for all the reasons you stated.
What I like best about RDS on different pistols I own is that the POA and POI is the same for every gun. With iron sights I have guns with a combat hold, center hold and my adjustable sights a 6 O'clock hold which I prefer. With a RDS I use the same hold on every firearm.
Just got my first red dot! Exactly what I needed to know
Thank you Aaron! I have a new Glock G45 with a 6.5 MOA RMR, taking it out tomorrow Gotta get it zeroed!! I appreciate the video more than you know.
Thank you for the video and making it more clear . My problem is I've got a CZ shadow2 mounted with a Trijicon rmr MR07 , once the Reddot is mounted I loose the rear sight . How can I zero the reddot without the use of that rear sight ?
Aaron great video. Only request would be to have a few shots of your setup on the bench or standing technique for zeroing.
Amazing, highly detailed video, thank you
Your fckn great at what you do. LOVE your videos bro! Please don’t stop making them
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Excellent video as always
Great information like usual. Thank you
Nice video. Worked like a charm!
Good info. Thanks for the reminder to check your carry ammo. 👍🏽
Aaron, have you noticed any significant difference in sight over bore offset on pistols of different slide/barrel length? Such as glock 19v17v34?
I put 1" orange stickies on a target. Walk up to 3yds and shoot a few rounds (don't bother cowitnessing). Make COARSE adjustments. Check with 1-2 rds. Make another correction if necessary. Back up to 5yds, recheck. Adjust if necessary. At this point I'll back up to 15 or 25 for my final zero. The final zero I do just like you, from a flat top using a bag, 5-10 rd groups. The biggest difference is dealing with the frustration of trying to sight in a red dot from 25 at the beginning. It's hard to even see the hits at 25 (binos are good to have). Anyway, I tell people just start at 3yds and work backward. I'm convinced its quicker and less frustrating.
Jack Lapham, I do almost the same thing, and I agree about reducing frustration!
Awesome info, im going to zero my new RMR this week! Question, what happens if once I zero my RMR with 115gr Fiocchi or S&B (range gun), if I try my carry ammo any its way off. At that point do you recommend trying a different carry ammo?
Perfect timing, I’m going to set my new carry pistol this way. Another thing to mention. When ammo was more readily available, I would get a new firearm, I would get 6-8 different brands (same weight) of ammo to see what the pistol preferred. You can then see if that brand makes defense ammo (jhp).
You would be surprised how many people run one ammo brand and assume the firearm is inaccurate.
Whats the process for RDS if I dont have supressor irons to use as a base?
The crimp jump is what I look for in carry ammo, GOLD DOT is very good as far as that is concerned.
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This is a great video. I’m wanting to put a shield rms-c on my Glock 43x. Is the smallest dot available on that optic, the 4moa dot too big?
Great video! I would like to know how does a compensator affect your dot deviation (if any) with 124 & 115gr. Is it negligible compared to no comp?
I just zeroed my my g19 mos at 25 yards. With 115 grain ammo. Then make impacts at 100 yards. I like that 25 yard zero
Sir, I just got my Glock slide back milled with the RMR ans the rear notch forward of the RMR, like yours, and I’m also running an x300U... is the Safariland 6354 DO Holster good for it, or would it require any mod work done to the holster???
I saw in a prior video that your run that holster with the same configuration. That’s why I ask.
Thanks for your time.
Good info, i've been looking at red dots lately.
Good info. I was confused the other day at the range on how to properly zero the Holosun 509t on my FN 509t.
What does a 25Y zero do at 50Y with 124gr ammo?
With regular iron sights, I have to aim about 6"-8" low to hit at 50Y, but I assume I'd have to aim dead center or high for 100Y. I'm wondering how a red-dot affects POI at distance SINCE the dot is much higher over the bore then regular iron sights.
What about using a bore sight instead of slaving to your irons for a basic zero? The reason I ask is bc I have a 9mm luger bore sight just to make zeroing easier for the few 9mm carbines I have
Your videos are great. Maybe I missed something but how do u actually make the adjustments to zero your iron sights with the red. Thanks
So when you adjust it your dot is going further down. But when you go to aim just the red dot you center the dot in optic no with irons?
thanks for the lesson. I'm new to shooting and this helped
Well said! Made tight - tighter!
Thank you this will hopefully help ALOT i got frustrated and took my reflex off because i couldnt figure out sighting it in
awesome ......thank you......again! do you like any pistol/rifle stands to use?
What about using a boresight but the red dot on that at the given range, then fine-tune with carry ammo?
Hey Aaron, first off I want to thank you for all the knowledge you share. It’s good to know there is somewhere you can turn to for unbiased information. I’m just wondering what you have found to be the best zero for 45 acp. I know for 9mm , you go with 25 yds (as do I from your videos). I just haven’t been able to find any good content in regards to 45. I’m using Speer Lawman 230 grain through an FNX 45 Tactical mounted with a Trijicon RMR. Thanks again for all you do.
Thank you very much for this video!!
For those wondering why the final illustration shows the dot high above the perfectly aligned iron sights, that is because the illustration is incorrect. The front sight should be slightly high in relation to the rear sight. The dot and sights would line back up if the pistol was slightly aimed down. It’s all a matter of perspective based on where the eye is in relation to the pistol.
I posted this explanation in another thread: The final illustration is inaccurate because the iron sight alignment didn’t change, but the dot alignment did. The front sight should be slightly above the rear sight when the dot is up in the window. The dot is moving up because the pistol is being aimed slightly “up”, but the eye level is going with the dot. If you use a rifle with lower 1/3 irons, the same thing happens. You CAN perfectly co-witness the irons with the dot, but when actually using the dot, the irons will not be part of the sight alignment anymore.
tv92taylor i was just about to ask about this then i seen this thanks for clarifying 👍
I have a friend who has an RMR sighted pistol. It drives him crazy b/c it was zeroed slave to the irons. The red dot appears super low looking through his RMR. Is he using the sight incorrectly or is it incorrectly slaved too low to the irons?
Sami S he is using it wrong. Tell him to watch Aaron’s videos. Worth it.
Thank you. This was driving me crazy. I understand now. Even though the zero is under the front post, when tilting the firearm up to put the dot in the middle of the window, it is still zeroed under the front post. Just an optical illusion.
Im still slightly lost; So do I sight my handgun in slightly tilted up or what?
I zeroed at 12 yds using a bore laser at bench rest, worked really well.
Great video took me a little bit.. but i have her down now… Thanks for the video.. 1 1/2 inch groups 25 yards .
Best rmr zero video on CZcams!
@SageDynamics - I'm a new shooter and bought a G19 Gen5 MOS with the intention of learning iron sights and then putting on an optic. Based on your experience, would you recommend I put the optic on right away and start learning the pistol that way instead?
I understand the fundamentals of using a pistol don't change (grip, stance, sight picture sight alignment, breathing, trigger control) and that the biggest advantage is allowing the shooter to threat focus.
Thanks in advance for your feedback
VintageGold There’s pros and cons to both. By starting with optics you remove one of the difficulties which I think helps very new shooters get the basics of grip, trigger press, etc. Although once they get the basics down I recommend going to irons to continue development, it’s hard to go back to shooting irons once you get the dot down, it’s a good skill to have though. I learned pistol all irons, and rifle with optics. I can honestly say I’ve never gone back and gotten good at rifle with irons. I imagine if I started with dots on pistols it would be the same. Kind of like learning to drive a manual or an automatic first, it’s going to depend on how you learn best.
question, if i shoot 115 grain range ammo and 147 grain carry ammo. 1. is this a bad habit i need to change? 2. is it easy or difficult to memorize the variance between the two rounds and make adjustments when i go to the range and when i leave the range?
Great info for me as I am getting my 1st RMR for. Glock very soon.
You will love it, Doug, I got 1 for my wife it's so amazing ill be getting 1 for myself.
How did the dot go up after zeroing it on the iron sights?
Can you please review the new trijicon rmr type2 hrs
What about slaving your irons to your red dot once you have zeroed your red dot correctly. I used the dot to help adjust my rear iron sight be as close to proper windage as possible. I assume thats the most accurate way to adjust my irons???
Regarding the "first step" - Slaving dot to iron sights"; do you mean shifting the gun until the dot is at the front sight or dialing it down? - thanks and regards from austria @SageDynamics
Question... Wouldn't a viced down/benched zero be as precise the gun can shoot? Basically what I'm saying it if you bench zero and pick up the gun and shoot not as clean of a group isn't that technically the human error that needs to be adjusted instead of how you zeroed it?
Hey Mr Aaron, I just getting into red dot on handguns. I just ordered a Vortex Viper. Now I also just bought a Sig P320 x compact with the comman Sig night sights, but to put the red dot on I have to take rear plate off and the rear sight is built into the plate and the front sight isn’t suppressor height sight. So when I get ready to zero my red dot do I still merry up the red dot to top of front sight?