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Just some things to point out since there seems to be some misconception with the building of T7's Relic's in particular. Firstly, yes, you do need to hit the right Latent, the but thing is, you're more likely to actually get a proper T7 Relic, than actually hitting a T6 SSR Raid gear with the correct Natural Set Effect as T7 Gear are very common. It also has to be T6 SSR as T6 SR CANNOT be upgraded to T7. I have multiple T7 Relic's from Crafting, including 4 SSR ones (3 which failed), but I've only had 2 SSR T6's during the crafting process. T6 SR is about as common, if not slightly rarer as I generally get 1/2 T7's every 10x craft, but sometimes never a T6. So getting T7 Relics (SR/SSR) is much easier than actually getting a Perfect Set T6 SSR Raid piece esp since Latent failed T7 Raid Relic Pieces can just be recycled back into coins but SR T6 Raid are stuck and lose out on the 1% Substat per piece. Even then, the much higher Ground DMG is actually much better than CDMG or in the case of Inhibitor, Ground DMG Res is better than Typed Res.
Secondly, a SR T7 Relic will work just as well as SSR T7 Relic (In fact, SSR is more expensive as it costs 2 extra Gold Binaries per Set Reroll for negligible effect). This is because Relic doesn't care about Rarity at all as it does not affect any Substats and only a tiny amount of Main Stats (ATK/HP/HIT/EVA). Going back to the first point, if a 10x Raid craft had both a Relic and T6 roll, you could just +2 the Relic gear, hit the Latent Unlock (roughly 200k tops) and recycle it if it came out wrong, then decide if you want to invest in the T6. Better still, if it hit the right Set Effect, next point.
Thirdly, the expensive part in crafting pretty much any gear in the game, is always Gold Binaries. The chances of you naturally hitting the correct set, even for Crafted T6 gear, can be very slim, and so most likely you will be doing Set Rerolling. So really, you want to save it for Maze/Gordias and then Relic gear unless you're really desperate imo. Esp since as mentioned above, it is realistically not hard to get a Viable Relic Gear ready to be Rerolled. I myself alr have 2 Completed Inhibitor Weapons (HP Set) and 3 with the right Latents waiting to be rerolled, (total 2 each for Counter/Soldier and 1 Mech) and I only started building them this Season, 10k points to go. I've actually had less encounters with good Set T6 Inhibitors than Relic's out of all the crafts (Kept a couple CDR Failed T7's for filler, no T6 with good sets). I'm not saying that you should always go for T7 and ignore T6, but you should really only invest Gold Binaries in pieces you will use in the long run and so, if you have to Reroll to make it work, might as well pick the better option. So if you're in a case where your T6's don't even have the right Set Effect, you might as well just go for the "high" roll on Relic but if it did roll the Set correctly, you can very much build it. But if possible aim for Maze/Gordias first which are always BiS Gear with 2 exceptions imo.
The two exceptions for Maze/Gordias not being BiS are Pure ASPD Gear, as Swift Relic is always BiS for any ASPD Requirement since only Weapons and Exclusive Gear can roll ASPD, much less rolling both ASPD AND Ground DMG. And DPS Britra Set with ATK %/Ranged/Melee Latent (ATK % Latent technically being the best generally if the unit does not have any ATK % Passives as it increases Base ATK, effectively multiplying your DMG Bonuses but works for any unit as it has no condition). Perfect Swift CDR Set still loses out to proper Maze Set by abt 1% CDR per piece, but is an alternative for Raid/Danger Close
TL;DR T6 Maze/Gordias is pretty much always BiS and should be the main T6's you Gold Binary. T7 Relic is not actually very expensive compared to T6 long run as you are just as if not more likely to get a proper T7 Gear compared to a perfectly Spawned T6 Gear as both need to at least succeed in the Set Roll. T7 Relic is also actually better than T6 Raid, even without Latent Roll, as you get higher Ground DMG/Res compared to T6, which is more consistent
(E.g Britra Relic loses out a little bit of CDMG for nearly the same amount of Ground DMG per piece, Inhibitor T6 Weapon cannot even roll DMG Res, Inhibitor T6 although rolls slightly higher Total DMG Res, Half is Type Dependent while Relic has 4/5ths of it as Ground DMG Res)
This shit is so confusing I'm ngl lol. Way too many types of gears.
Btw should I max enhance T5 gears ? Or just let them be until i can get more T6s.
Also what set's armor has offensive substats like C.dmg for the fixed purple stat ? Like the Maze weapon has a C.dmg fixed sub stat but the Armor has DMG res as fixed substat
@@pratikpatil6160 just ignore T7s for the most part and focus on T6 maze/gordius. You can work on T7s once you get a better understanding of the game.
@@pratikpatil6160 You can enhance T5's up to ard +6/7, as the xp cost spikes after that, if they at least hit the right Set effect and maybe a decent Sub to start with imo since Normal T6's are not Farmable, Maze/Gordias are limited and Raid/Relic can take a while to amass for enough units. Priority is still for Maze/Gordias as eventually you will have enough for iirc 4/5 Full Counter sets, 3 for Mech/Soldier, enough to take awhile before thinking abt T7's for specific stuff such as General Xiao Lin DPS Gear (Full Britra + Accessory with good Latent) or Pure ASPD Swift Set.
The only T7 I recommend trying to get early are Relic Ranged/Melee DMG Res Latent Inhibitor Weapons as this is BiS for Tanks since other weapons cannot roll DMG Res. Only T6/T7 Hummingbird can roll 11/12% Melee/Ranged DMG Res while Inhibitor can roll 16% Ground DMG Res and up to 24-28% Ground Class-Typed Ranged/Melee DMG Res. Hummingbird is instead used for Supports instead as it can roll Skill Haste along with DMG Res. Usage of the relic's are pretty much like so
Inhibitor: Pure Tanking (Weapon BiS for any Tank)
Britra: General DPS Gear for Non-Skill Haste/ASPD or Burst Units E.g Xiao Lin, Pendragon PvP, basically highest Damage Per Hit Set.
Swift: Pure ASPD or General Skill Haste (similar to Maze set but very slightly weaker, 4% or so lower Total Skill Haste)
Order of strength in General would be roughly
Generally Best In Slot: Maze (Skill based DPS all pieces, Case for Tank/Support)/ Gordias (Tank/Support)/ T7 Inhibitor Weapon (Tank)/ Hummingbird Weapon (Support)/ Swift ASPD (ASPD based DPS)
Runner up/Substitutes: Inhibitor (Tank, marginally better Total DMG Res than Gordias with Perfect Roll)/ Swift CDR (lower by abt 4% CDR on Perfect Roll)/ Britra (Burst DPS or Xiao Lin)/ PvP reward gear
For DMG Stat for Armor, there's almost none, as Armor pieces are generally Defensive only. Britra/Swift are pretty much the only pieces that have a DMG 1st Stat and the best they can roll for 2ndary is Skill Haste.
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Bullet uses inhibitor gears on cdr tanks that don’t require 72 skill haste for example joo shi yoon, he also uses Brita on xiaolin and Elizabeth etc
Thanks GR, you did the team review and made fun of me so I had to come back and watch this video so I didn't make the same mistakes again :p appreciate it!
For inhibitor hand, which latent is better? melee res or ranged res?
I think the best Relics are the Inhibitors... because the purpose of all options of these are all for resistances....
but even so, I find polymer (T6-red) better as it is an instant 28% resistances... slight problem is, upgrading it to T7 does not improve the options.
Polymer dmg res is more niche than Inhibitor dmg res. If you manage to roll melee/ranged dmg res (same as Gordias), it would be better.
Honestly the only best relic gears to famr for are for soldiers if you can get a good aspd set for T7 swift relic geads on soldiers you could get a good stack of aspd for it and reroll for anti ground dmg and just make your soldiers stronger
What do u recommend us to pick from our gear selectors from the raid?
Depends if you want to focus on mech/Soldiers/counters
K thx
Guys I'm a newbie and need ur opinion, is my squad enough to progress or i need to switch other heroes?
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If I'm gonna need to switch hero tell me and what hero 😅
Where should i invest gold binaries?
These guides are good asf
So much complicated stuff regarding T7 and T6 gear and i cant even get good T4 gear x'D
what is the difference between anti-"type" DMG and anti-"type" DMG RES
@Andrew Adonis got it, thanks for the explanation
The only good relic gears that are not reliant on good latent rolls are the inhibitor weapons cuz they can have up to 16% ground dmg res on their 2nd substat. Getting those with hp or def set option makes them an alternative for hummingbird weapons
Not just alternative, they replace Hummingbird entirely because ground res is more universal. Better gradually turn Hummingbird into cdr set.
great vid again.. tnx
My maze cdr armor is the only +10 piece I have
i think for relic gear we have to do the other way around, first find the one that have the set u like, then enhance to lvl 3 to see what happen, then try tuning it instead of tuning it first like maze gear
it's actually better to keep spamming +2 latent and then reroll the gear if you have to as you get a lot of T7 Relic's over time, as much or more than T6's
@@TheBIindReaper should i use gold binary for T7 gear?
@@bamboo9666 only aft you've completed or done most of your Gordias/Maze Gear and have a T7 piece with the right 1st Latent. T7 Inhibitor is an exception and at least 1 Hp piece should be made as its the best Tanking weapon with some exceptions
@@TheBIindReaper okay tks, so prioty Maze/Gordias then T7 inhibitor weapon. Is shadow horn worth using gold binary also?
@@bamboo9666 Shadow Hall would be on lower priority unless you're making PvP gear as they are more Specific. Riflemen, Ifrit and Kang would like their specific gear to shred their respective units but other units might not be able to use them as they cannot roll both Ground DMG and Skill Haste while the above are not reliant on Skill Haste. Just make sure you only use Binaries on SSR SH gear as SH gear has Substat differences for Rarity (SR has abt 1% less per substat)
Overall, Binary usage comes down to whose gear you want to build up. Maze/Gordias have the highest Priority as they are the most flexible of them all (I used ASPD Maze Set for Riflemen till I got my SH Perfect Gear).
thx for the vid
Already match with exclusive Xiao Lin +10 equipment
Okay someone please help me.
I need to Complete Day4 mission.. Which say win 1 game with SUPPORT SQUAD!!. so is it yang harim and other healer applicable?.
No support squad is squad from friends. Go to free contract to do it.
Brita is still ok for tanks tho right for ground dmg res?
Nah. If you happen to get ground res on HP/DEF piece, it's okay to use it temporarily, be it T5 or T6, T7. Just don't use silver binaries on it.
However, if you aim to get a good defensive T7 gear, go for Inhibitor. Find piece with good set option, unlock decent defensive latent. Change the 2nd stat to ground res should be the last step. Even so, you'd better use Gordias if you can, it's the best defensive gear. Only Inhibitor weapon > Hummingbird weapon.
@@mavisb.vermilion5881 Well i got it hp set latent skill haste and ground res on my Ahilde for right now i thought it was a good peice
I ended up using my binders on the pvp gear, but you are hoarding yours, did I fuck up my progression?
What is "binders"?
you mean set binaries?
Yes I forgot the name of those
Meanwhile, Bullet use all of them on Kr Server.
Theses gears are "bad" for our state of the game in Global, it's too early. I don't think everybody unlock all Maze/Gordias stuff.
But they are insane for late game because they simply T7 with latent stats. The main issue is the RNG and ressources needed to obtain a good one.
The T7 Relic Gears with crit dmg and ASPD sets are better than Maze T6. However, the Latent ability cant be tunned, so it is very very hard to obtain a good T7 gear. FYI, after 2 seasons of Raids in SEA sever, I got no good gear. All my T7 gears are garbage after I tried to upgrade the latent abilities.
As usual the worst part of all Korean Gachas. The Core Whalebait System.
Raid guide next up video lets jam into it 👍
My question is, will T8 be coming soon? I dont want to stress myself upgrading from T6 when T8 is around the corner.
Well, maybe years from now lol
They are way too expensive to invest into right now for me. While I am hoarding some T7 for the future (mostly just the SSR ones), I'm mostly just going to stick with the T5/T6 unless the stars align and the T7 rolls + latent ability are what I want for a unit.
That never happens for F2P.
🌸😼It is so that I had finished just seconds ago your previous upload and now I am to be treated with yet another!😼🌸
Is the free multi everyday over?...And why there are units with "?" in pvp?
After you reach certain rank, they will hide info of half enemy units.
Hei will we able to farm maze and gordia relic in the future?
No. They released the "for fuck sake lots of RNG" kind of relic gear exactly because they won't make Maze/Gordias farmable, never.
That's a maze event that's coming soon in Global, that's probably the closest. Just an event that gives you Maze gears in the evnt shop.
can you farm exclusive equipment? and if yes how?
you can. but it need a special material. and you need a lot to even create 1 gear. and the material also depend on what gear you make.
by certain squad challenge, it's rotate every 2 weeks.
first thing first,
for any relic gears, you need to unlock the latent first to decide whether you can use it or not.
when you got the "right" latent skill, sure it can be much better from T6 gears.
and, to get the IDEAL stats from relic gears need SOOOOOOOOOOO much resource, not to mention your luck kekw.
between those 3 relic gears, Britra's are the worst tbh, you can't really use it as the "end game" gears.
meanwhile Swift ASPD absolutely the best if you want the ASPD set, again... *"IF"* your latent rolls goes right.
for Inhibitor, 10:55 you don't really need skill haste there tho? it's a tanky gear afterall, and really good for any of your tanks, REALLLLLYYYYY GOOD by any means .
TL;DR just use T6 for now, relic need so much effort and resources unless you have nothing to do anymore ingame.
actually, if you're generally looking for ASPD for say a unit like Draco/Horizon, Swift is always BiS even with wrong Latents, this is because the only gear that can roll ASPD are Exclusive Gear and Weapons, much less both at the same time (Only Relic and some Exclusives like Xiao Lin's can do this). So Relic Case and Accessory would give extra 5.8% ASPD total as well as Ground DMG per piece, which is obv better than even T6 Raid (No ASPD, much lower Ground DMG). Britra is also used as getting high amounts of Crit buffs for Raid bosses isn't too uncommon, or in the case of Kestral Xiao Lin, which is her BiS Set. Generally speaking however, you will be mostly focusing on Maze/Gordias as they are pretty much BiS while T7 Relic are mostly used for very niche cases or Raids. The only exceptions where T7 Relic is better are Perfect DPS T7 Britra Relic (ATK % Latent) or Pure ASPD Set (Since Maze itself cannot roll ASPD). Even Perfect Swift CDR loses to Maze by abt 1% Skill Haste or so a piece, but does match up and is an option when you run out of Maze Pieces. (which is pretty much endgame)
It's also easier than you'd think to craft a T7 Raid Relic Set compared to a T7 Non-Relic, as the real problem is only rolling Set Effects with less effect on Latent. Non Relic Raid have to hit both Set Effects and worse of all, SSR Rarity as only SSR Rarity can be upgrade to T7 (Purple cannot be used). I have seen less SSR T6 Rarity than I have Relic Pieces to the point I have finished at least 5 Inhibitor weapons (2 each for Counter/Soldier, 1 for Mech having either Melee/Ranged DMG Res) and even more T7's sitting in storage awaiting for their +2 Latent for checking. Number of Inhibitor SSR T6? Just 2. SR T6 is about just as much as getting a T7 Relic, maybe even rarer since I don't have many of them, but I've Recycled a lot of failed T7's already.
So honestly if you got both at the same time, might as well +2 the Relic (Not very expensive), check the roll and build it if it's the right Latent. This is because Rarity doesn't matter much for T7 Relic as it doesn't affect their Substats and only affects a little bit of Main stat (ATK/HP/Hit/Eva) which is generally negligible. Whereas the moment you get a T6 SR Non-Relic, it cannot be upgraded to T7 for the extra 1% or so Substat and it still has a lower 2ndary Substat (17.6% Ground DMG VS 14%. So if you want to think about investment, T7 Relic is more efficient long term use of Gold Binaries while T6 is 'better' if you've alr hit the correct Set. But of course, prioritize your Maze/Gordias first as they are even more Solid than T7 Relic (aside from the 2 above exceptions). I highly recommend NOT investing Gold Binaries in Normals, even T6 as they are notably bad (You can't even farm T6's, they're Event Rewards). If it rolls the right set, go ahead and Tune it, but do not Reroll Sets as it is very expensive long run, you might as well have just saved them for Maze/Gordias or even used it on Raid/Relic Gear.
@@TheBIindReaper yup, that's why i said use T6 for now (Maze and Gordias especially).
T7 relics really are long-term investment which need so much resources but so powerful in the end.
cuz unlike T6 (reroll set and substat), T7 need one more extra steps (unlock latent and then reroll set/substat after that).
btw, thanks for the long reply lmao 😂
@@AdityaHutabarat yup, the thing I just wanted to point out was that T7 is not actually much more expensive than T6 Raid/Swift specifically as those are farmable T6's. It's actually roughly the same cost, as the 1 extra step can be easily achieved through spammed crafts. And since T7 are just as or more common than T6 SR's, you're more likely to actually hit the correct Latent than find a T6 SSR with the right Set from my experience imo. I think I get 1/2 T7 on average every 10x craft, sometimes I don't even get T6's and just T5's.
T7 even when Latentless are actually better than T6's too imo as their Ground DMG/Res Values are much higher. Britra Relic has just as much Ground DMG as missing CDMG, Inhibitor T6 Weapon cannot roll DMG Res and although Inhibitor T6 Case and Accessory might have higher Totals, half is Typed, so if you run into Admin Riflemen/Ifrit with Counter DMG Res Inhibitor, well, you're kinda screwed.
@@TheBIindReaper
Thing is I won't use silver binaries on Relic unless I get good latent. If I have T5/T6 with natural ground dmg/res/skill haste I will keep it. Same to Relic, but if it doesn't naturally have it, and the latent fail, may as well trash it.
I am Even finding hard to Have T5.. Lol.. Need some serious gear guide.. Bdw thanks.
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T7 Relics are better for me. It depends on the players who uses it. The DMGs is so huge at +10 fully enhanced.
It really depends on what kind of unit you will use the gear on and what kind of latent ability you got. For dps unit that does not rely on skill haste, in most case I will argue spectral gear will be better at cheaper investment.
I thought relic gears are OP exclusively for ASPD set.
My team really bad can't even farm them. LOL
If Studio B-Side wants to really mess things up, they could announce that all flat stats on gear will be multiplied by 10x. I've never seen a gacha company do that and I wonder how people would react to it.
My luck with gear is garbage so you already know how many +10 gears i have
I think they should go back and revamp the system to make it less annoying. I don't mind the tuning binaries, but in the effort to make gear strategic they made the best gear too hard to obtain. The progression is tuned awfully. Forget too hard it's literally impossible to get more maze set pieces once you get them all. I think they should simplify gearing considerably by eliminating T7 relic gear entirely from the game and just make the only gold rarity gears maze set and gordias. Then just make them farmable. The chance to get one can be low, but it should be farmable on a level 90-100 stage.
The game needs a touch up in general because a lot of things are more complicated than they need to be. The gear system is just the only system they didn't change since the game originally came out so certain parts of the game feel so much better than the gear system. Mobile games do this in general where they ruin the progression of the game for literally no good reason. Once you put enough work in your account should be able to perfectly equip every single employee though.
Though tbh I think they expected the best gears in the game to be the characters unique gears. Everything could probably be solved if they buff the unique gears and make one for every single char. Then change the UI so that upgrading it isn't looking through the phone book. The game is pretty great but it's so damn stingy for equipment it's annoying.
I only have 1 plus 10 gear lmao
Relic gears = tanks/front units
i have 1 +10 ,F2P by the way
What about comparing t7 britra to t5? Getting t6 gear right now is hard. While t7 is not.
I have nearly equal amount of both t6 and t7, but most of t6 was either from shop or free gears.
Also, in my sea account getting the upgrade material was even for my team with awakened Yuna, ministra, sniper, ace, and very good SSR like seraphel, very hard.no yang harim unfortunately.
Gears on all of them were very bad, but most of dps were at least 106,and gear were around +8.
Before we get t6 gear that we need, considering shadow Palace is near, investing in whatever gear you have so you can do harder grind stage as fast as you can, could maybe better in long run.
Getting to +5 is not that hard, investing some binaries to max skill haste etc, could help rush to harder stages as fast as possible.
Okay, didn't know they don't have skill haste.
I have only 1 +10 gear lol
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Huh? What bots?
@@GuitarRockFirst There are 5 bot comments below. It's seems because you are well known
All and all we can all appreciate that this is one of the better gear system