Dangers of Using Humbrol Satin Varnish With Railtec Transfers
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- Well I have to say that the process of using the Humbrol Clear Satin Varnish with the Railtec Transfers was going really well and it works fine with the small numbers on my Heljan Class 60 which I am working into as 60092 in DB Cargo red livery. But the danger is that this varnish from Humbrol doesn't like large decals very much. Should I just use the Mr Hobby/Mr Color Flat Base Smooth instead? I would appreciate some advice on this please.
The transfers are NOT at fault as they are very easy to work with but the problem seems to lay with the Humbrol Varnish. I am happy and I am not sad at all, just a bit disappointed with the outcome of the varnish attacking the decal as it worked fine with the numbers. It just seems to hate larger decals from my experience.
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Here is a lesson learned. I am going to try using another varnish like Vallejo or something else that is a clear resin varnish. Stay away from this trash unless you want a ruined finish folks! I learned this the hard way today. Humbrol is junk!
Well done, would water base products work better ?
Thanks and I have decided to restart this one because the varnish had totally cracked and damaged the decal so badly that I was not happy with the results and I think Vallejo gloss varnish as a base for the new decal and seal it with a top coat of varnish in gloss and then do two to three coats of satin once it's all done. Avoid Humbrol buddy as it will ruin decals.
Peter.
Hi,
Lovely loco - sorry to see you've had a problem, there by the grace of God go I.
I'd use Klear, or Vallejo products, AK, or even Windsor & Newton - anything acrylic (water based).
Although, interestingly, the Mr Color (sic) product is solvent based isnt it🤔
Im assuming that the Humbrol product was spirit based?
I used to use enamels all the time, especially liked the old Airfix range, and original Humbrol railway ranges too. I had to virtually give up enamels due to health issues. Also latter day Humbrol enamels arent what they used to be. Their acrylics are okay for certain applications though.
Some decal/transfer manufacturers state not to use certain solvent based products with their transfers. Obviously this is a consideration with Railtec products too🤔
If you leave the decal for awhile, would micro set or micro sol help to flatten it? It could still be rescued 🤞🤞
Hi there. From what I have learned after this video. I have decided to redo the transfers as I have ordered some replacements to fix the error. Humbrol states that this varnish can be used right out of the bottle for both brush and airbrush applications. So I though this would be safe to use with the decals but I learned albeit the hard way that this is not the case. I will try again and I have bought some Vallejo gloss and satin varnishes to finish off this model that will become 60092. I am happy that I tried and I won't give up until I get it right. The Vallejo varnish has a resin polyethene coating that will protect the decals when it fully hardens after curing. Humbrol is not a brand I can trust anymore after this incident. As for Micro Sol and Micro Set. The instructions advised me to avoid those setters as they are too aggressive. I will find a solution :).
All the best
Peter.
@@BritishRail60062 @@BritishRail60062 Hi Peter, all understood good course of action Id say. I recalled that Railtec advise against Micro Sol/Set, but as you were at a sh!t or bust stage, careful use may have been worth a try. However you've taken the right decision to use new transfers - quality remembered long after price is forgotten 👍🙏🤞Humbrol? I only use their acrylic paints now, not often though. I don't trust their lacquers/varnish a buddy of mine didn't listen, had to paint strip a large 7mm van and start again as Humbrol varnish crazed. Varnishes and Lacquers are tricky at the best of times - I find them challenging. I would recommend using an airbrush if you can. Harder and Steenbeck are my go to (their new Ultra 2024 is very good) or at a push a cheap (eBay) GHAD39 Gaahleri. Both are easy to use and clean, get a cheap non pulse portable compressor too, ideal for those jobs (with a bit of masking).
@@musoseven8218 First of all, apologies for not replying sooner with no thanks to CZcams for not letting me know. I have redone the offending side and upon doing this video. I am pleased to say that I am have much better luck with Vallejo Gloss Varnish which dries to a nice shiny surface and it doesn't harm these decals either. I have been posting a few photos here and there and I can safely suggest that Vallejo is safe for brushing over. Just use a 2/1 ratio of 2 parts varnish and 1 part water to thin it enough but keep it strong enough to adhere to the satin surface. I am really happy with this Class 60 and I am making another video that will be the progress of this model. I am thankful that it is working out fine and I bought a new set of decals just incase my second attempt went square shaped lol.
Peter.
@@BritishRail60062 No worries about replying. Whilst I remember, I read an article by Craig Tiley (RM editor now) and he used Railtec transfers that he sealed with Humbrol satin varnish spray rattle can) apparently without issue. I'd still avoid it though. I've found Vallejo varnishes to be fairly safe and inoffensive. I'm really pleased that you've had better luck too, it's a cracking model. I like your idea of creating your own name for the loco. I might do the same - name and number - for a Hall I'm doing (if I get around to it🙄💔🙏🤞). Looking for to seeing more of your progress ✌️👍😊💜🤞🤞👍 Kindest regards.
Hi again. Just to let you know that I have been doing a progress video of my Class 60 as 60092 which I am pleased to say that the Vallejo varnish mixed in a 2/1 ratio varnish and water is safe to use a brush with. I really do not like airbrushing at all. It's one of those arts that needs to get the distance spot on or it can oversoak the model. I have had this happened to me when I tried out the Tamiya lacquer paint cans many years ago. I look forward to seeing your project in due course as well mate. Not long now before I post the progress video of this Class 60 as it is almost done. I will name this one later on after me in one of those Class 60's that never was situations. All the best, Peter.
throw the humbrol in the bin , i use vallejo premium , ruined too many models with humbrols shitty clears
Thanks for the tip. I think I might try their range instead or stick with Revell as they used to be good.
@@BritishRail60062 anything is better than humbrol , ruined countless models with humbrol clears
@@shakeyhandsshedmodelrailwa2494 Sorry to hear that mate. I learned the hard way about this brand, They are junk and I have just ordered some Vallejo Satin Resin Varnish and I will see if I have better luck with that. I will clear coat the rest. I miss the days of the Revell varnishes. They were better than this shite from Humbrol.