i read about this guy a long time ago. He used to drift a s13 but wrecked it and started playing around in a ef 4dr.Then he figured out how to drift a ff.He uses a Ef hatch back because of the legnth of it .He said most other honda cars or either too long or short.I think hes sponsord by falken tires now
he was drifting, there are 5 types of drifting. Brake, clutch, throttle, e-brake, and feint (whatever its called). FF's can use three of those types if tuned right. In this case he was e-brake drifting.
the true definition of a drift is when a car is cornering the rear slip angle is greater than the front so that is a drift a power slide can only be done with an 4wd or fr cause your using the power and torque of the car to break the rear lose
@apexdna left foot braking isn't meant for making a car going sideways tho... its just so that there is no transition time between changing foot between accelerator, and the brake. when i have a chance next time, ill try braking bit harder and see if i can get the car sideways.
I know I know, I've been fighting the term for many years now...but in Japan they just call it "Fドリ", short for "FFドリフト". Are you using the power to initiate a slide while yanking a wheel or AFTER you yanked a wheel? Because that's two different things imho...
ya FF drift is pretty hard.. i have an Eg and on sharp turns i pull the e and make teh car go sideways but it has 70whp it kinda doesnt go for long.. but it is pretty hard trying to keep that end out the whole way i think the key is when they turn the steering wheel slightly one way then turn it hard the other way tricking the back and making it slide out then pulling the e brake everytime the back wants to come in...
it is easier to drift in fr than ff i will choose fr when i start drifting. cause ff tecniques looks a lot like its allmost only the handbrake its about
The definition of drifting is controlled oversteer. Whether whether its FF, FR, MR, etc it doesnt matter. A 94 civic coupe won second place a few years ago in a california drift competition among all the uber powerful and flashy 240s and 86's. Its about driver more than the car... any real enthusiast would know that.
no he wasnt we was pulling his rear end as you can see his rear tires are locked. even if it was "e-brake" drifting it was with a ff which slides not drift.
@PaYs100 Fail on your part...left-foot braking is very easy to do, especially in an automatic. A little bit trickier in a manual tho. Either way, worked for me every time...which makes me wonder if you actually understand the vehicle dynamics. There are are tons of ways to get an FF sideways, it's just easier in an FR because the drive wheels help to steer i.e. rotate...
Well, much like anything else, there is an unofficial (slang) terminology. Ass dragging because the tail is quite literally being dragged along with inertia keeping it out of line with the E-brake locked. As for my original theory, it actually does work on gravel and wet roads. I've done it myself on dry concrete but otherwise don't have enough power to do it with ease.
@xionz83 thats drifting if your going sideways with a car and going fast and tires squiking thats drifting. thats just a different technique. "ass dragging" is for people who cant believe what he sees. takes skills more skills that FR
You should visit sites about drifting an FF and there are drivers that use left foot braking as a tool to replace the hand brake. Left foot braking is a fact. and you can replace the ebrake with that technique.
they only make their self tired because always E-BRAKE during the corner FR is the best beacuse when they use to clutch kick in the corner the car drift easily and then e brake
What a FUCK?!?!?!?!?!?!? An FF car drifting like mad!!! Never saw that before! Ok, he uses the handbrake to slide the car, so whats new? The great thing is that he doesnt only puts the car sideways with the handbrake, but he can continue the drift like an FR machine! Great!
In my case it's more of turn in as I lean in. I don't have enough power to really snap the front wheels loos doing that, so it just grips and pulls in. Fortunately it's hard enough that the tail is unstable and with the assist of the handbrake, the whole thing will just kick sideways. If I get a camera any time soon, I'll do it again ad post a vid of it.
Well, since you wanna get all technical with it. I'll start with the fact that it's called "FF drifting", and NOT "ass dragging", because if it did, wouldn't we call drifting "ass pushing"? Anyways, I re-read your question a few times, and while I have never thought of it that way, it should work in theory, perhaps on gravel, but wouldn't that be a Scandinavian flick since going straight and suddenly yanking a wheel to either side would result in understeer regardless of drivetrain layout?
Of course you can my friend =) Look at rally cars for example. They drift and they are 4WD. Look in youtube for 'Ken Block' to see some real serious 4WD Drift
@PaYs100 Says who? All the rally drivers do it. Try doing that going into a turn maybe? Left-foot braking is used primarily for shifting weight to the front of the car just like you would with the usual "braking drift" yet at the same upsetting the brake bias by applying more brake pressure to the rear, NOT rev-matching...that's what heel-and-toe technique is for.
Um... nearly stock AE86 took the D1GP the first year it hit america. It blew by all those 300-horse power FF cars that were entered in the competition.
your all missing the point, its not that fwds cant drift its that they cant keep up when drifting, you cant really tandem with a fwd car, plus mistakes are made a whole lot easier and they are so hard to keep sideways it takes all the fun out of it, drifting is all about the fun so without that its just work
yea i have a honda, and i like drifting but using the e-brake to drift isnt really good for timed events, i wanna know is there a setup where you you can drift with ff cars without having to use the ebrake
why do all of you gotta hate... just go out there and go sideways!... fuck if its FR or FF if you can do it... DO it.. but of course somewhere where you wont kill someone
You mean hybrid. The most of the 100% electric powered cars, like the I-Miev, the Tesla Roadster/S and even the SLS E-Cell are RR, excepting the Leaf, it is the only FF electric powered car I know. In RR cars the power and weight goes to rear wheels, making them easy to lose traction, it shouldn't be hard to drift them.
"honda lover's will have a different prospective on their cars abilities after this" fast and the furious want enough?!? cool vid but god i hope this doesnt influence all the ricers... as i dont need a mexican powersliding into me at any given moment. every civic owner thought they drove a "race car" after watching F&F. but yea... a skilled driver can make any car look badass. good vid and demonstration.
ok...dude..in drift competitions many drivers do use hand brake...so u r sayin all of them aren't drifting?? but these civic do use hand brake alot....
hell yeh!!! this video is to show all those fr drivers that think ff's suck that drifting can be achieved in our "shitty" little hondas... I drift in my prelude all the time... obviously not as good as this guy. the rear wheels are on more of a slip angle then the front in a controlled oversteer... hense front wheel cars can drift
@apexdna Have you actually tried to drift on a FF car by braking with your left food? It does not work.... It is just some bull shit tht got popular through some japanese cartoon called initial d.
FF Drifting is fake. it's not REAL drifting. if you have a turn that opens up wider than you already have set for, you cant change angle and power into it. so it's not REAL drifting
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i read about this guy a long time ago. He used to drift a s13 but wrecked it and started playing around in a ef 4dr.Then he figured out how to drift a ff.He uses a Ef hatch back because of the legnth of it .He said most other honda cars or either too long or short.I think hes sponsord by falken tires now
he was drifting, there are 5 types of drifting. Brake, clutch, throttle, e-brake, and feint (whatever its called). FF's can use three of those types if tuned right. In this case he was e-brake drifting.
Drifting is popular in race circuits today, but this is already as old as there are rally circuits. Left foot braking is used by Colin Mcrae.
Yes, I have seen cats do that, so they are all-paws-drive. = )
the true definition of a drift is when a car is cornering the rear slip angle is greater than the front so that is a drift
a power slide can only be done with an 4wd or fr cause your using the power and torque of the car to break the rear lose
@apexdna left foot braking isn't meant for making a car going sideways tho... its just so that there is no transition time between changing foot between accelerator, and the brake. when i have a chance next time, ill try braking bit harder and see if i can get the car sideways.
spettacolare
I know I know, I've been fighting the term for many years now...but in Japan they just call it "Fドリ", short for "FFドリフト".
Are you using the power to initiate a slide while yanking a wheel or AFTER you yanked a wheel? Because that's two different things imho...
Well, a car is a car without the driver you can't drift it. so what makes the car drift is not the drive train but the ability of the driver.
thats tight ..
Keiichi Tsuchiya : any car with four wheels can drift..
like Ken nomura says, "isogashii kore!" (something like "this looks so busy")
ya FF drift is pretty hard..
i have an Eg and on sharp turns i pull the e and make teh car go sideways but it has 70whp it kinda doesnt go for long..
but it is pretty hard trying to keep that end out the whole way i think the key is when they turn the steering wheel slightly one way then turn it hard the other way tricking the back and making it slide out then pulling the e brake everytime the back wants to come in...
ff's could always drift. ppl refuse to accept it. it prolly takes more skil to drift a ff than a fr, mr, or even awd.
it is easier to drift in fr than ff
i will choose fr when i start drifting.
cause ff tecniques looks a lot like its allmost only the handbrake its about
The definition of drifting is controlled oversteer. Whether whether its FF, FR, MR, etc it doesnt matter. A 94 civic coupe won second place a few years ago in a california drift competition among all the uber powerful and flashy 240s and 86's. Its about driver more than the car... any real enthusiast would know that.
they use the e brake to initiate the loss of traction then power over, then dont hold the e brake through the whole corner like in this video
no he wasnt we was pulling his rear end as you can see his rear tires are locked. even if it was "e-brake" drifting it was with a ff which slides not drift.
@PaYs100 Fail on your part...left-foot braking is very easy to do, especially in an automatic. A little bit trickier in a manual tho. Either way, worked for me every time...which makes me wonder if you actually understand the vehicle dynamics. There are are tons of ways to get an FF sideways, it's just easier in an FR because the drive wheels help to steer i.e. rotate...
CIVIC of 90's....YOSHA!!!
Look at how every1 behind him has to slowdown
i second that snorkel, we drift my buddies mk2 golf without touching the e-brake all the time
Well, much like anything else, there is an unofficial (slang) terminology. Ass dragging because the tail is quite literally being dragged along with inertia keeping it out of line with the E-brake locked.
As for my original theory, it actually does work on gravel and wet roads. I've done it myself on dry concrete but otherwise don't have enough power to do it with ease.
the FF drift haters obviously never seen WRC FF rally cars...
Keisuke Hatakeyama he is my idol
ZOMG! YES! FF REPRESENT!
that guy must have mad flat spots on his tires
@xionz83 thats drifting if your going sideways with a car and going fast and tires squiking thats drifting. thats just a different technique. "ass dragging" is for people who cant believe what he sees. takes skills more skills that FR
actually you can powerslide with all kind of layout, mr´s fr´s ff´s 4wd´s
You should visit sites about drifting an FF and there are drivers that use left foot braking as a tool to replace the hand brake. Left foot braking is a fact. and you can replace the ebrake with that technique.
@bdysntchr7 Less contact patch in the back to make it easy to break the rear end loose.
they only make their self tired because always E-BRAKE during the corner FR is the best beacuse when they use to clutch kick in the corner the car drift easily and then e brake
still the best ff drift on you tube
Pull the e-brake, control throttle & steering.
What a FUCK?!?!?!?!?!?!?
An FF car drifting like mad!!! Never saw that before!
Ok, he uses the handbrake to slide the car, so whats new? The great thing is that he doesnt only puts the car sideways with the handbrake, but he can continue the drift like an FR machine! Great!
In my case it's more of turn in as I lean in. I don't have enough power to really snap the front wheels loos doing that, so it just grips and pulls in. Fortunately it's hard enough that the tail is unstable and with the assist of the handbrake, the whole thing will just kick sideways. If I get a camera any time soon, I'll do it again ad post a vid of it.
Well, since you wanna get all technical with it. I'll start with the fact that it's called "FF drifting", and NOT "ass dragging", because if it did, wouldn't we call drifting "ass pushing"? Anyways, I re-read your question a few times, and while I have never thought of it that way, it should work in theory, perhaps on gravel, but wouldn't that be a Scandinavian flick since going straight and suddenly yanking a wheel to either side would result in understeer regardless of drivetrain layout?
0:55 gt wing ! awesome!
Of course you can my friend =)
Look at rally cars for example. They drift and they are 4WD.
Look in youtube for 'Ken Block' to see some real serious 4WD Drift
using the e break is a drift technique...you use it to lose traction and start the drift...anyway its harder to drift with ff than a fr
@PaYs100 Says who? All the rally drivers do it. Try doing that going into a turn maybe? Left-foot braking is used primarily for shifting weight to the front of the car just like you would with the usual "braking drift" yet at the same upsetting the brake bias by applying more brake pressure to the rear, NOT rev-matching...that's what heel-and-toe technique is for.
Um... nearly stock AE86 took the D1GP the first year it hit america. It blew by all those 300-horse power FF cars that were entered in the competition.
your all missing the point, its not that fwds cant drift its that they cant keep up when drifting, you cant really tandem with a fwd car, plus mistakes are made a whole lot easier and they are so hard to keep sideways it takes all the fun out of it, drifting is all about the fun so without that its just work
yea i have a honda, and i like drifting but using the e-brake to drift isnt really good for timed events, i wanna know is there a setup where you you can drift with ff cars without having to use the ebrake
You just said it, to keep a drift without handbrake, a car needs power in rear wheels.
Not if you're entering a corner without traction control and you don't brake the rear steps out the entirety of the corner
if you can get a car sideways, it's a drift car. =D
that's what i like to say.
Look on youtube for Jean Ragnotti (Highlights)
arround 2 minute mark
enough said...
still a powerslide... once he loses his inertia, the car will lose its tilt angle
why do all of you gotta hate...
just go out there and go sideways!...
fuck if its FR or FF if you can do it... DO it..
but of course somewhere where you wont kill someone
monza drift bro
You mean hybrid. The most of the 100% electric powered cars, like the I-Miev, the Tesla Roadster/S and even the SLS E-Cell are RR, excepting the Leaf, it is the only FF electric powered car I know.
In RR cars the power and weight goes to rear wheels, making them easy to lose traction, it shouldn't be hard to drift them.
@bdysntchr7 How is it a powerslide if no power is used to induce a slide in the first place?
@apexdna yea, have you? I drove a 1993 civic and tried it out. didn't work.
skills!
@2KRANE Every drift technique there is, except for "power over" as the Japanese like to call it.
FF drift only with handbrake ?
that other techniq ?
AWESOME !!!
ahhhh gotta love a civic
"honda lover's will have a different prospective on their cars abilities after this"
fast and the furious want enough?!? cool vid but god i hope this doesnt influence all the ricers... as i dont need a mexican powersliding into me at any given moment. every civic owner thought they drove a "race car" after watching F&F. but yea... a skilled driver can make any car look badass. good vid and demonstration.
While I have actually looked at car dynamics, that doesn't really validate or invalidate my question/argument.
If that guys sell that Honda CRX it will more that 1000k i guest
Haha, very funny...
amm i think that is for rwd cars only... that technique wouldn't work for fwd cars because of their tendency to understeer.
You could try reading a book on car dynamics instead of pulling a pud.
opps pretty stoned when i wrote that lol
Is that shingo
wonder if those skinny ass tires in the back have anything to do with him being able to "drift"
very good!
does anyone know, can you also drift with 4WD/AWD cars?
Yep
I'd say an ass dragger drift, but couldn't he use the pull on the front to offset the weight? In which case, wouldn't that count as a powerslide?
DAMN Japanese can even drift bicycle if they try xD
ok...dude..in drift competitions many drivers do use hand brake...so u r sayin all of them aren't drifting?? but these civic do use hand brake alot....
TAYLZ1, Not true. There are FWD rally cars...
that good.. me too ;)
@cyberdyers thasts powersliding not drifting
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yes you can, you can drift in all kinds or layouts, you just need to know the proper techniques in order for you to make a proper drift
drifting ff is actually easier..
hell yeh!!! this video is to show all those fr drivers that think ff's suck that drifting can be achieved in our "shitty" little hondas... I drift in my prelude all the time... obviously not as good as this guy. the rear wheels are on more of a slip angle then the front in a controlled oversteer... hense front wheel cars can drift
@jp20det Cool story, bro.
Dorifto
@apexdna Have you actually tried to drift on a FF car by braking with your left food? It does not work.... It is just some bull shit tht got popular through some japanese cartoon called initial d.
no such FF drift technique called left foot braking...
haha la stessa cosa la facevo con la 127...
@Rogers1977 I know, just makin sarcastic jokes
@10petrolhead10 ff= still a powerslide :)
@apexdna im not even going to reply to that...
I can drift using left foot braking.
not drifing, def not a powerslide!
A Hand brake turn! haha
exactly he's not drifting
you mean one loss... :/
lol i did this on GT3 on accident XD
@adfadfewfrewafawefaw Oh yeah? Everybody would be drifting FFs if it was "easier"...
ok ;) lol... xDDD
shiet
This doesnt look FF.. or do i just suck xD
@lokidokiploki why is it dumb? cos you cant do it? xD
and 280zx2by2 get a new car lol
newbie i dont use never e brake i use only feint that gives more speed and better acceleration
FF Drifting is fake. it's not REAL drifting. if you have a turn that opens up wider than you already have set for, you cant change angle and power into it. so it's not REAL drifting
@PaYs100 And you call yourself a car enthusiast...what a waste.
Hooly shit
video from 2006