The Debate Over Stock Buybacks, Explained | WSJ

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  • Companies on the S&P 500 have poured more than $5.3 trillion into repurchasing their own shares since 2010. WSJ explains how stock buybacks work, and why there's debate over whether or not they're good for the economy.
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  • @gshak33
    @gshak33 Před 4 lety +580

    Buybacks help partially to explain this extreme bull run we’ve seen. Also makes me nervous that a lot of stock prices are propped up while companies are neglecting R&D and employee training.

    • @mikiko2872
      @mikiko2872 Před 4 lety +38

      Yes. Boeing is the great example of it.

    • @raybod1775
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      Gabriel Calderón There are few rivals because companies were allowed to buy out their competitors. The executives don't care because they won't be around when the company goes under.

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  • @AANDYG2010
    @AANDYG2010 Před 4 lety +594

    Jan 2020: "Buybacks are now a big part of the landscape of American finance. There is no sign that is about to change"
    Oh how quickly things can change.

    • @tomd1434
      @tomd1434 Před 4 lety +1

      Lol

    • @Denny_Dust
      @Denny_Dust Před 4 lety +70

      Just what I was thinking lol, all the airlines are on the verge of bankruptcy and could have had more emergency money on hand if they didn't blow it all on stock buybacks.

    • @Felddagryph
      @Felddagryph Před 4 lety +31

      Also, many companies used previous "bailout" money for stock buybacks. The economy would have been much better served by giving money to the poor and middle-class, demand-side stimulus, so there would be demand for products making it worthwhile for businesses to make investments. Without the demand, buybacks or parking the money in the bank were the businesses' only real options.

    • @l3rd816
      @l3rd816 Před 4 lety

      Exactly what I thought after she said it

    • @PointNemo9
      @PointNemo9 Před 4 lety +4

      @@Felddagryph No, with buybacks the money goes to shareholders. Many of which are the middle class you are referring to

  • @sarfrazahmed8178
    @sarfrazahmed8178 Před 4 lety +344

    Worker training is the biggest issue in any industry right now.
    Everyone is willing to hire an expert or skilled worker but not willing to train one from within or from local work force.

    • @richardwieder885
      @richardwieder885 Před 4 lety +24

      Good call! The construction industry has an incredibly hard time in taking in skilled labor. It takes years to have a fully trained tradesman from within. In my case, the majority of professional tradesman were there for ten or fifteen years. We rarely see someone stay the first year because of the physically demanding nature. Licensed trades like HVAC, electricians, and lineman are losing a lot of seasoned workers within the next 10 years. The US is scrambling to find professionals as is.

    • @rs72098
      @rs72098 Před 4 lety +6

      Yep, demographics are also shrinking, corporations still falsely believe that the labor shortage will go away, it's only just beginning. Automation won't save them either.

    • @sarfrazahmed8178
      @sarfrazahmed8178 Před 4 lety +7

      @@richardwieder885 that's a different trend. Most millennials or Gen Z don't want to work in the labor intensive industry when there are other platforms to make a liveable wage.

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  • @mialomit
    @mialomit Před 4 lety +389

    Oh the irony of this video being recommended to me, as corporations are now asking for bailouts to get back their $ back to early 2020 prices

    • @nickspaulding1511
      @nickspaulding1511 Před 4 lety +5

      Marius I RIGHT. Smh. Atleast stock prices are worthless right now. Easy to make money later

    • @FoamySoaps
      @FoamySoaps Před 4 lety +10

      Not really ironic. It's being recommended because lots of people are searching for it.

    • @kingkoi6542
      @kingkoi6542 Před 4 lety +1

      Why do you think so many CEOs jumped ship?

    • @raknoknak
      @raknoknak Před 4 lety +2

      This is not ironic at all... As news of bailout being tied to buyback is coming out, many people search videos on what buyback means and the youtube algorithm tags the topic to show up in recommended videos

    • @nic00561
      @nic00561 Před 4 lety +4

      Not a bailout. Unlike 2008, where companies were bailed out of its own mistakes, the government has forced business to shut its doors. This is relief due to intervention into normal markets. Necessary intervention. But not a bailout. If I take a sledgehammer to your your vehicle......paying for the repairs is not a gift. It’s retribution.

  • @henrylopez3479
    @henrylopez3479 Před 4 lety +266

    Boy, this didn’t age well ...

    • @Wowsers101
      @Wowsers101 Před 4 lety +13

      Aged like milk

    • @nicholasgarcia8896
      @nicholasgarcia8896 Před 4 lety +1

      I was coming to comment this lol

    • @chrisjfox8715
      @chrisjfox8715 Před 4 lety +18

      I wonder how many poor Conservatives are still claiming "small Government" and "let the market decide"? We're basically spending tax dollars and risking inflation to bail out companies that failed to save money for a rainy day, all because they were more interested in propping up a fake financial image.

    • @huguesjouffrai9618
      @huguesjouffrai9618 Před 4 lety

      @@chrisjfox8715 it is stupid to think that people would recommend the same policies in normal time as they would in extraordinary times (such as when government asks a third of companies to stop producing in order to protect people's health).
      And if you think the rules of business should be the same in extraordinary and ordinary times then you don't understand much about economics.
      Companies and their shareholders shouldn't be punished because they are stopping their activities to help a worldwide effort: they should be helped.

    • @Cross-xm2fr
      @Cross-xm2fr Před 4 lety

      They can sell all those precious shares they bought back to the federal government whenthey need a bailout

  • @lascannon
    @lascannon Před 4 lety +278

    And now when companies need cash, they are now having to seek government bailouts... if only companies saved some of that money they use for buybacks...

    • @sliickers
      @sliickers Před 4 lety +16

      yoshi101 You never want companies saving money. It’s better for everybody if the company distributes that wealth.

    • @kinghassy334
      @kinghassy334 Před 4 lety +25

      @@sliickers its better for the economy if they dont do buy backs while going into debts

    • @ltdowney
      @ltdowney Před 4 lety +6

      sliickers - Pretty sure you don’t want companies going out of business either, and that’s what strict free market capitalism would have them do right now without any cash reserves.

    • @sliickers
      @sliickers Před 4 lety +5

      @@kinghassy334 Well no, not exactly. They are giving money back to investors with buybacks. The investors can use that money for more capital investment, boosting the economy. It also increases the companies earnings, which they can use to expand or upgrade their business. Most companies don't do this however

    • @SpirosPagiatakis
      @SpirosPagiatakis Před 4 lety

      @@sliickers :D :D :D You are awesome!

  • @nargishoque6007
    @nargishoque6007 Před 4 lety +387

    I have an exam on this tomorrow. Perfect timing

    • @TheMatthew9201
      @TheMatthew9201 Před 4 lety +7

      Nargis Hoque they knew

    • @SykotikShadow
      @SykotikShadow Před 4 lety +24

      Funny thing is on this was illegal until Reagan made it legal again. Somewhere between the 1940s and 1970s it was illegal to do stock BuyBacks because of the fact that the companies weren't giving back to their employees until it was essentially made illegal and created the great economic boom between those times and made affordable cost a living a real thing.

    • @nargishoque6007
      @nargishoque6007 Před 4 lety +4

      Sykotik Shadow oh wow that’s interesting, thank you for sharing!

    • @SykotikShadow
      @SykotikShadow Před 4 lety +2

      @@nargishoque6007 check this out. czcams.com/video/ylLTMYt24lA/video.html and along with the lowest percentage interest rates we have ever seen it's making it easier for people who have money the rich stay even richer and not invest into these companies that they buy and sell off for more profit then when they bought it. Essentially the world's economy will go bust.

    • @harshitmadan6449
      @harshitmadan6449 Před 4 lety +7

      @@SykotikShadow The real reason was lack of foreign competition for a brief window of time post WW2.

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  • @camwalker1186
    @camwalker1186 Před 4 lety +50

    Wealth from stock buybacks just dissapeared in 3 weeks, so ya, maybe not the Plutocracy's greatest idea.

  • @noirto2
    @noirto2 Před 4 lety +130

    Funny thing is when the company board vote for stock buybacks, they started to sell their shares... Great timing all things considered.

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      @jibrish4802 Před 4 lety +2

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    • @SuperMarkHere
      @SuperMarkHere Před 4 lety +6

      Red Divinity this is not at all what it is hahaha

    • @aplsharusha
      @aplsharusha Před 4 lety

      Exit strategy! 2008?

    • @WheelerRickRambles
      @WheelerRickRambles Před 4 lety

      Disguised insider trading

    • @idontlikeyouyo
      @idontlikeyouyo Před 4 lety +3

      Selling shares has lower tax rate than getting dividends because it's based on proportional capital gains. This is why investors love buybacks and sell shares over getting dividends.

  • @vitas4783
    @vitas4783 Před 4 lety +269

    It sounds like a company can manipulate stock metrics to influence how shareholders are able to view their performance...

    • @ChrisGilliamOffGrid
      @ChrisGilliamOffGrid Před 4 lety +40

      Manipulate? If that's what you want to call it, but it's not like the effect isn't real. No matter how you increase the EPS, it's still increased. As a shareholder I support buybacks.

    • @datazero7795
      @datazero7795 Před 4 lety +16

      It’s their money, they can do what they please with it. Every company manipulates their stock, it’s part of the game

    • @datazero7795
      @datazero7795 Před 4 lety +8

      barebearburiesbarrysberries no, wealth taxes have never worked in history. If you want a strong middle class you need a strong currency. Wages don’t keep up with inflation so weaker dollar means asset prices inflate and the rich pay off their debt quicker than a regular ole joe. It’s a sick game they designed, we just have to play it and take over

    • @datazero7795
      @datazero7795 Před 4 lety +5

      Keoni Mana that’ll never happen until we see a full on revolution. But I do agree, it’s the only fix. We need a hard reset on this economy

    • @artuselias
      @artuselias Před 4 lety +5

      Manipulating in the sense of decreasing price fluctuation.
      Just a smart way of getting rid of unused cash.

  • @christiantosumbung5791
    @christiantosumbung5791 Před 4 lety +143

    Buybacks is a lazy way to increase stock prices, instead of actually growing the company.

    • @INeedMySpaceTech
      @INeedMySpaceTech Před 4 lety +11

      How do you feel about dividends?

    • @Mel684
      @Mel684 Před 4 lety

      Jeremy 😂😂😂

    • @tomblack6972
      @tomblack6972 Před 4 lety +2

      Also makes the executives’ stock options worth a lot more

    • @vinaymane5538
      @vinaymane5538 Před 3 lety

      @@INeedMySpaceTech dividends drop stockprice, not increase it

    • @soymaxxing
      @soymaxxing Před 3 lety +2

      @@vinaymane5538 his point was that it doesn't grow the company either

  • @gdc8403
    @gdc8403 Před 4 lety +211

    They used to be illegal - for good reasons.

    • @kinghassy334
      @kinghassy334 Před 4 lety +56

      It's funny how this video doesnt mention a company has the option to raise wages for its worker as a reward for thier hard work at 1:24. Corporate media is so subtle.

    • @ow4744
      @ow4744 Před 4 lety +9

      @@kinghassy334 pretty incompetent of the corporate shills to forget to omit higher wages from their Chuck Shumer quote at 3:27 isn't it?

    • @matthewlangley3524
      @matthewlangley3524 Před 4 lety +13

      @@kinghassy334 please stop pretending you have any understanding of the economy or business while at the same time being a Bernie Bro.

    • @DrAAAli
      @DrAAAli Před 4 lety +1

      Easy formula really, buyback and drain ensuring at anytime the company has only $5 worth of gas in the tank....crises will hit once every ten years, and governments will bail you out aka stimulus...this cycle repeats once a decade and each time the ordinary taxpayer is used as a wedge to normality via high taxes, low wages, higher cost of living etc etc.

    • @Rommie26
      @Rommie26 Před 4 lety +2

      Can someone explain why they were illegal and why Reagan made them legal?

  • @Krackerlack
    @Krackerlack Před 4 lety +32

    *stonks*

  • @Camelotsmoon
    @Camelotsmoon Před 4 lety +63

    The glorious trickle down economy right here in this video.

    • @joshn2342323
      @joshn2342323 Před 4 lety +5

      but it does trickle down. Unemployment is at lowest rate in decades.

    • @Camelotsmoon
      @Camelotsmoon Před 4 lety +16

      @@joshn2342323 Look up underemployment.

    • @aavash123
      @aavash123 Před 4 lety +5

      @@joshn2342323 sorry what was that?

    • @nicholashildenbrand8632
      @nicholashildenbrand8632 Před 4 lety +2

      @@joshn2342323 it all implodes when people are focused entirely on short term gain with stock buybacks. Here we go again.
      Another goverment bailout for all of those "saavy" businessmen.

  • @thebrand14ify
    @thebrand14ify Před 4 lety +10

    How about investors value a firm on other metrics rather than relying on EPS? Also, why should a company be penalized when buying back stock? Perhaps other possible investments have a negative NPV. I don’t believe share repurchases are as evil as these politicians make it to be. Let the market do its thing.

  • @chrisgouger9299
    @chrisgouger9299 Před 4 lety +39

    No stock buy backs are not good. Management puts a company into debt to artificial raise the stock price instead of investing in it's OP-EX or CAP-EX. This type of thing is making the U.S institutions 2nd rate.

  • @Davao420
    @Davao420 Před 4 lety +64

    It's amazing that among the options companies have with their stockpile of money, "giving back to their employees" was never even mentioned. Just wow

    • @michaelmoses8745
      @michaelmoses8745 Před 4 lety +1

      I noticed that as well.

    • @LateDude96
      @LateDude96 Před 4 lety +20

      Thats called salary

    • @tiburcee
      @tiburcee Před 4 lety +2

      Just look at 3:30! Do not speak if you don’t watch thé video until the end !

    • @II-mw8qh
      @II-mw8qh Před 4 lety +12

      If a company goes bankrupt, no employee will bail the company out.

    • @user-rs5hb6gd8e
      @user-rs5hb6gd8e Před 4 lety +3

      owners of the company earn theirs "wages" in the form of share buyback. Nobody will own stocks of they will not be compensated for that - people will buy cars and houses instead of stocks and there will be no jobs for workers.

  • @ericp4573
    @ericp4573 Před 4 lety +73

    Shareholders love buy backs (speaking for myself) basically a dividend without having to pay taxes.

    • @jannisarie
      @jannisarie Před 4 lety +5

      Depends if they just diluted the shares out again with options for execs. GE was doing huge share buybacks before they went down. They could use all that cash now and do the same buybacks for a fraction lol.

    • @chrisgouger9299
      @chrisgouger9299 Před 4 lety +7

      What you profit from today you'll have to pay for tomorrow. The biggest bubble in history will eventually pop and it will take a long time to come back from.

    • @TheGhostOperative
      @TheGhostOperative Před 4 lety

      lol building castles in the air. remember, nothing comes for free.

    • @raybod1775
      @raybod1775 Před 4 lety +5

      It's all temporary because the corporation winds up in massive debt from the buybacks then will not be able to service the debt and then goes under like Sears, Kodak, GM...

    • @readynowforever3676
      @readynowforever3676 Před 4 lety +4

      Ray Bod Sears Kodak & GM (GM shouldn’t even be on your list) didn’t go under because of “debt”, they went under because of competition. These “buybacks” (in this example) we’re executed with “stockpiles of cash”, 1:20 not lines of credit.

  • @loveanimals-0197
    @loveanimals-0197 Před 4 lety +7

    We need a video on the "stock options" for executives.

  • @GuestYouTubeUser
    @GuestYouTubeUser Před 4 lety +132

    Building new factories? Lol You mean getting new contracts in China or Mexico?

    • @arcodax3302
      @arcodax3302 Před 4 lety +6

      Aquí en México ya tampoco quieren invertir, ya todos se van para Indonesia :(

    • @ChrisGilliamOffGrid
      @ChrisGilliamOffGrid Před 4 lety +1

      @@arcodax3302 Que lastima.🙁

    • @ricardoramos3754
      @ricardoramos3754 Před 4 lety +1

      You mean china,,there is not such a thing as Investing in Mexico anymore. Producing in china is way cheaper than in Mexico nowadays.

    • @marczhu7473
      @marczhu7473 Před 4 lety +1

      @@ricardoramos3754 China relocate low skill to Vietnam and other neighbor countries.

    • @kingkoi6542
      @kingkoi6542 Před 4 lety

      Just so that Karen doesn't have to spend an extra dollar or two...

  • @911aaron
    @911aaron Před 4 lety +40

    1:34
    How about using that money to give higher wages to their employees!

    • @epzilon1
      @epzilon1 Před 4 lety +12

      That would be socialsm!!1

    • @911aaron
      @911aaron Před 4 lety +10

      @@epzilon1 A company using their money to pay their employees a higher wage? That's socialism? LOL

    • @stephenramos2824
      @stephenramos2824 Před 4 lety +1

      Those evil corporations!

    • @kingkoi6542
      @kingkoi6542 Před 4 lety +2

      How about that money is completely worthless, only artificial numbers. If we went back to gold standard there would be more wealth circulation, and the middle class wouldn't look like a finished apple.

    • @kingkoi6542
      @kingkoi6542 Před 4 lety +2

      @@911aaron Giving people higher wages would just increase the prices of everyday items and food. This is how it's been since the 60's, gradual increase in minimum wage, but massive profit growth on their companies. See more regulations really just hurt the small business owner which hurts you.

  • @beastmode6773
    @beastmode6773 Před 4 lety +36

    4:22 is the real reason

  • @asvpab
    @asvpab Před 4 lety +13

    Now the companies that did buybacks should sell their stock instead of asking for bailouts.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 Před 3 lety

      Issuing shares AFTER a crash won't net a whole lot of profit.

  • @Ayo22210
    @Ayo22210 Před 4 lety +33

    I like how in Germany the board doesn’t just represent the investors it represents the employees as well

    • @lindhe
      @lindhe Před 4 lety +1

      Cool, I had no idea. I'm fairly sure we don't have that in Sweden, despite our systems being more similar to each other than to the American system.

    • @christoffersvard6415
      @christoffersvard6415 Před 4 lety

      @@lindhe it exists - "Arbetstagarrepresentant". Though, it's not a requirement to have.

    • @raybod1775
      @raybod1775 Před 4 lety +5

      That's why Germany has so many benefits, jobs and companies.

    • @robm2681
      @robm2681 Před 4 lety

      Hasn't Germany been on the brink of recession for a while?

  • @Discovery_and_Change
    @Discovery_and_Change Před 2 lety +2

    0:40 Skeptics (critics) say the money used on buybacks can be better used by companies for other purposes
    0:50 Proponents (supporters) say buybacks put money where it belongs: to shareholders
    1:12 Tax cuts in 2017 and low interest rates
    1:34 Return money to shareholders: dividends and buybacks
    2:02 Buybacks boost Earnings per Share (EPS) because the same earnings now belongs to fewer hands
    2:08 EPS = Company Net Income / Shares Outstanding
    3:05 Skeptics say buyback money would be better used to grow the company

  • @MoonShineKidBaby
    @MoonShineKidBaby Před 4 lety +37

    So you’re just not going to mention how they used to be illegal because it was a form of market manipulation? Yeah maybe do better next time.

    • @ayizeb9299
      @ayizeb9299 Před 4 lety +3

      You actually expect unbiased reporting from a paper called WSJ?

  • @TheModernInvestor
    @TheModernInvestor Před 4 lety +2

    Bitcoin has risen by 9,000,000% (actual number look it up) Since 2010, no buy backs needed.

  • @wlaklak
    @wlaklak Před 4 lety +20

    Stock buyback = Stock bubble
    Thats all.
    But WSJ doesn't say about the credits that spend in the stock buybacks.

  • @guardiabreak234
    @guardiabreak234 Před 4 lety +2

    Yup, i said this about a year ago and nobody listens. Buybacks are great for artificially raising share prices. Also that's not including mounting corporate debt which further skews the numbers.

    • @minorcek
      @minorcek Před 4 lety

      How arrogant of you to say. This has been discussed and largely agreed upon by people who's say no longer seems to matter...that's you and I

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety

      There's nothing artificial about it

  • @bigbrotherau05
    @bigbrotherau05 Před 4 lety +11

    @wall street journal I think you guys omitted a big part of the critism on stock buybacks and that is investment in employees i.e. higher salaries. A company except for it’s IP is worth nothing without it’s employees, so I don’t agree with your argument that profits should only go to either the shareholders or other investments in companies. This is also important because that was a big part of the GOP’s argument to lower the corporate tax rate to 21%, which we all know the companies didn’t do and instead bought a lot of their stocks back.

    • @eudofia
      @eudofia Před 4 lety

      @bigbrotherau05 They didn't omit it. It's right there from 3:20 where they said that Chuck Schumer and Bernie Sanders pointed out those same issues you mentioned.
      And by the way, it's not WSJ's argument that the profits should go to shareholders, they are just pointing it out that it is the argument companies used to justify share backs.

    • @user-fw9cc1hx4l
      @user-fw9cc1hx4l Před 4 lety

      what you mentioned is deducted as employee cost before profit, it's not the profit.

  • @corylowe5557
    @corylowe5557 Před 4 lety +51

    When companies have excess cash, they forgot to mention pay their employees more.

    • @johanocampo5422
      @johanocampo5422 Před 4 lety +11

      It's their money and flipping a hamburger isn't that hard

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety +12

      That's not how economics works. Employee compensation is a function of the labor market, not how much cash the employer happens to have saved up.
      Companies do not exist for the purpose of employing workers. That would be make-work.

    • @davidbeppler3032
      @davidbeppler3032 Před 4 lety +5

      Companies only pay employees what they are forced to. That is the definition of capitalism.

    • @davidbeppler3032
      @davidbeppler3032 Před 4 lety +6

      @@johanocampo5422 I guess you have never recieved a messed up order? Flipping a hamburger is very hard. Go get a job at a fast food chain. I bet they fire you in a week.

    • @Kev-Solo
      @Kev-Solo Před 4 lety +10

      Employees getting paid according to the value they bring to the market place. That is Capitalism...

  • @zachb1706
    @zachb1706 Před 3 lety +3

    The money spent on buybacks dont just disappear into the oblivion, it goes right back to investers who put that money into other company.
    Sometimes a company has reached their limit of growth, where they dont really need any more factories, workers, ect. In that case, the money would justsit there, unused. A stock buyback gets this money back onto the market, reinvesting and that is why they aregood for our economy

  • @jclaer
    @jclaer Před 4 lety +1

    I thought buybacks give stockholders a capital gain instead of a taxable dividend. WSJ didn't mention that. Am I wrong?

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety

      No, that's correct. That's one of the major reasons companies do it

  • @jamestucker9408
    @jamestucker9408 Před 4 lety +26

    Buybacks were once illegal 🤕

    • @dstblj5222
      @dstblj5222 Před 4 lety +2

      No the problem with buy backs is that a companies leadership is judged on stock performance and buybacks are an easy way to goose them divides have no such moral hazard, then again I also support banning leveraged buyouts for a similar reason

    • @bobsteve4812
      @bobsteve4812 Před 4 lety

      Teringventje It rewards a company for doing NOTHING of value to the economy. Of course it should be illegal. Company’s started to become corrupt beginning in the 80s, when these became legal

    • @bobsteve4812
      @bobsteve4812 Před 4 lety

      Teringventje By nothing, I mean that it encourages companies to increase stock prices, which the vast majority of Americans have no stake in, rather than anything that actually improves their products or services.

    • @bobsteve4812
      @bobsteve4812 Před 4 lety

      Teringventje And shareholders have little to no value to society. Stakeholders do. This benefits nobody but shareholders and execs and doesn’t even ensure the stability and longevity of the company in the long term. Overall, it promotes short term profit at the expense of long term prosperity

    • @jonetyson
      @jonetyson Před 2 měsíci

      Uh, what happened when a company liquidates and goes out of business?

  • @jayw8504
    @jayw8504 Před 4 lety +2

    Funny coincidence that board members who vote for buybacks are also some of the largest individual shareholders, mostly via very stock option compensation they also voted for themselves

  • @Dayfloss
    @Dayfloss Před 4 lety +3

    This channel has saved my life.

  • @solmora1724
    @solmora1724 Před rokem +1

    Would love an update on this given the current environment!

  • @hugopulido9446
    @hugopulido9446 Před 4 lety +20

    This won't end well. Especially for most of the companies that borrowed money for their buy backs. I'm sure we will see government bailouts in the future.

    • @electroflame6188
      @electroflame6188 Před 4 lety +2

      Bailouts with what? It's not like the government currently has the tax revenue for it.

    • @syxx242
      @syxx242 Před 4 lety +2

      good call Trump is already lining it up for them again in the energy sector . everyone in the working class should be getting their torches and pitchforks ready

    • @bdawk511
      @bdawk511 Před 4 lety

      Spot on Hugo things are looking worse everyday.

    • @ab_12_8
      @ab_12_8 Před 3 lety

      you literally predicted the future

    • @jonetyson
      @jonetyson Před 2 měsíci

      The banks have contracts with companies. If a company tries to rip off a bank by borrowing money to fraudulently give to shareholders before declaring bankruptcy then the directors of the company can be held liable.

  • @user-tz5uq2bt1s
    @user-tz5uq2bt1s Před 3 lety +1

    I just see buybacks as a company paying off some of its debt. The money spent goes to the former shareholders who sold their shares so they can reinvest it elsewhere or spend it on their needs.

  • @fernandodeveras
    @fernandodeveras Před 4 lety +6

    Funny that none of the options listed at 1:25 involved giving back to employees. How bout bonuses or wage increases?

    • @tiburcee
      @tiburcee Před 4 lety

      Fernando D if you had seen the video until the end, you would have seen that they talk about higher wages and retirement benefits

    • @tiburcee
      @tiburcee Před 4 lety

      3:30

    • @II-mw8qh
      @II-mw8qh Před 4 lety

      It's called Salary.

  • @cautiousoptimist1926
    @cautiousoptimist1926 Před 4 lety +2

    Are these stocks being retired or are they being counted as assets?

  • @MrChainsawAardvark
    @MrChainsawAardvark Před 4 lety +9

    How is this not considered illegal insider trading?

    • @raybod1775
      @raybod1775 Před 4 lety +6

      Because politicians are totally corrupt.

    • @thenoicemango1827
      @thenoicemango1827 Před 4 lety

      Chainsaw Aardvark Cause Merica

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety

      How _would_ it be? I don't think you understand the practice

    • @jonetyson
      @jonetyson Před 2 měsíci

      These are completely different concepts.
      Insider trading is when someone profits from trading shares using non-public information. For example, the CEO of a development=stage biotech might hear that a clinical trial of a drug candidate has succeeded or failed before the general public does, and profit buy buying or selling shares ahead of the public announcement. This is what is known as "insider trading," and the CEO would go to jail if caught.
      Companies issue new shares when they need to bring cash into the company (for example to build a new factory or whatever) and buy back shares when it's time for cash to leave the company. A development-stage company or a startup will issue shares to bring in the necessary investment to get the company going, and then do the reverse (buy back those shares) when it is mature and profitable.

  • @fusion9619
    @fusion9619 Před 4 lety +2

    Buybacks are great for our economy! It's an essential part of calibrating investment to meet demand. Getting rid of buybacks would turn the stock market even more speculative, and that would hurt our productivity.
    All these comments saying the opposite... that's some high-level Stupid.

    • @rvnmedic1968
      @rvnmedic1968 Před 4 lety

      I read recently that CEOs that did buybacks were secretly selling the shares. Buybacks don't help the investors at all, just another type of manipulation like gold, silver, equities, etc. The average retail investor doesn't stand a chance.

    • @fusion9619
      @fusion9619 Před 4 lety

      @@rvnmedic1968 Do you have a link, so I can read it? On the surface, I'd say it doesn't really make sense, since buying and reselling quickly should have a net zero effect - but if something else is going on, I'm certainly interested. Thanks :)

    • @rvnmedic1968
      @rvnmedic1968 Před 4 lety

      @@fusion9619 I believe I heard it CZcams, Headlines With a Voice a few months ago. Best I can do. Cheers

    • @fusion9619
      @fusion9619 Před 4 lety

      @@rvnmedic1968 ooh interesting channel, thanks for bringing it to my attention

  • @Coach_Dustin_C
    @Coach_Dustin_C Před 4 lety +17

    not one mention of what happens when the stock starts to go down after a buyback

    • @AliA-by2ju
      @AliA-by2ju Před 4 lety

      What happens then

    • @lamcho00
      @lamcho00 Před 4 lety

      @@AliA-by2ju the company bought it's shares at let's say 1000$ a share. Then the market plummets (600$) and this share can't be sold at the same or higher price. It's a net loss for the company (1000$ - 600$ = 400$ loss). Basically corporations gambling their own profit. I'm sure the board members were betting the prices would continue to rise and they would sell their own stock for extra profit.
      The bad thing is investors thought they were buying quality stock, instead it ended up being just junk stock. And that's from big corporations which were estimated as low risk investment.

    • @AliA-by2ju
      @AliA-by2ju Před 4 lety

      @@lamcho00 thank you

  • @myaccount74
    @myaccount74 Před 4 lety +1

    Buying on leveraged loans on adjustable rates

  • @bryanramos5251
    @bryanramos5251 Před 4 lety +14

    The buy back bubble.

  • @brent1041
    @brent1041 Před 4 lety +1

    My company is closing operations and furloughing workers like crazy for the main purpose of making the share holders more money. Since they started last year they have furloughed 10% of the workforce with what looks to be another 20% this year. Thats over 14,000 people let go. Yet the last quarter of last year they made 1.6billion in profit after buying back 1.1billion worth of stocks. With all that greed no wonder we were voted the worst company to work for last year. But they don’t care, since their pockets are stuffed.

  • @_l735
    @_l735 Před 4 lety +3

    No mention of QE 🤯🤯🤯

  • @owen-nd7om
    @owen-nd7om Před 4 lety +1

    There's nothing wrong with stock buybacks. You have to remember opening new factories and exploring new business adventures are risky. Peter lynch best explained it as diworsification.

  • @iVince905
    @iVince905 Před 4 lety +13

    Alas, the minimum wage worker gets screwed once again!

    • @paulhodireff9260
      @paulhodireff9260 Před 4 lety +1

      Please explain how.

    • @iVince905
      @iVince905 Před 4 lety

      ​@@paulhodireff9260 Majority of the companies don't have incentives to increase wages which is due to maximizing the profits earned to give out to shareholders.

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety +1

      @@iVince905 There is no rational reason for a company to pay employees more simply because they have more money. Employee compensation is a function of the labor market, just like the price of any other good.

  • @prateshramjohn
    @prateshramjohn Před 4 lety +2

    Why even invest in R& D when a bailout is always an option. Buybacks favour executives who usually have share options attached to their contracts at set prices.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 Před 3 lety

      Bailouts aren't an option for most companies. The Feds only use them on companies they believe will cause suffering if they fail.

  • @paulallen579
    @paulallen579 Před 4 lety +3

    If the company doesn’t find any good use for the money, and they want to give it to shareholders, isn’t dividends better than buybacks then?

    • @wallacewoodworks9582
      @wallacewoodworks9582 Před 4 lety +1

      The argument is that dividends are taxable while the buybacks are not

    • @willliam1420
      @willliam1420 Před 4 lety

      @@wallacewoodworks9582 but buyback is on paper, no money flows to the stockholder. Dividend is real money to stockholder. Buyback is used to inflate or prop up share price so the execs get bonuses

    • @wallacewoodworks9582
      @wallacewoodworks9582 Před 4 lety

      will liam oh I agree, I would prefer the dividend personally. Just sharing the case for buybacks :)

  • @0530628416
    @0530628416 Před 4 lety +9

    Buy back being possible in itself is a joke
    You have huuuuge conflict of interest
    "Okay, you can buy your own stock to make it look better" no way someone will abuse this right?

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    @Banele808 Před 4 lety +7

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      @gljames24 Před 4 lety

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  • @Discovery_and_Change
    @Discovery_and_Change Před 2 lety +1

    If a company buys back shares, and the stock still goes down, does that mean the stock would've been even lower had they not purchased their own shares?
    I know of a company who reported buying back shares this past quarter, but this past quarter their stock is down -15%.... so would they have been down -20% if they hadn't repurchased?

  • @auro1986
    @auro1986 Před 4 lety +13

    when company has flush it can invest in political parties or deposit in swiss bank

  • @db8458
    @db8458 Před 4 lety +3

    Nice timing WSJ.

  • @jie890211
    @jie890211 Před 4 lety +8

    Stock buyback is what cause this recession. Cov19 is the needle that pop the bubble ,not the cause

  • @salmonsuit
    @salmonsuit Před 4 lety +1

    great, brief explanation with helpful visuals! thanks!

  • @raviteza8
    @raviteza8 Před 4 lety +9

    0:20 see any similarities between 2007 and 2019?

    • @magix4152
      @magix4152 Před 4 lety +1

      Yup it's gonna happen again and I Will be here benefitting from it :))

    • @andrewd9387
      @andrewd9387 Před 4 lety

      Magix why’s that

    • @magix4152
      @magix4152 Před 4 lety

      @@andrewd9387 house prices go down and and People need to sell The house to not go bankrupt and im here to buy that house reqlly cheap and sell it expensive 10 years after

    • @PixelBoyMiner
      @PixelBoyMiner Před 4 lety

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      @magix4152 Před 4 lety

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  • @srinivasanrajagopal9062
    @srinivasanrajagopal9062 Před 4 lety +1

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  • @mm-um6yz
    @mm-um6yz Před 4 lety +9

    I like how you don't even mention that they could raise their workers wages

    • @ChrisGilliamOffGrid
      @ChrisGilliamOffGrid Před 4 lety

      They discussing the use of profits. Profit comes after you pay employees.

    • @user-fw9cc1hx4l
      @user-fw9cc1hx4l Před 4 lety +1

      @@ChrisGilliamOffGrid exactly

    • @mezzaninex
      @mezzaninex Před 4 lety

      @@ChrisGilliamOffGrid yes, and he is saying they could pay the employees more

    • @ChrisGilliamOffGrid
      @ChrisGilliamOffGrid Před 4 lety +1

      @@mezzaninex Maybe they did. It still doesn't show up as profit. I'm speaking from an accounting standpoint.
      And obviously the employees who own stock in the company benefit.

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety +1

      Because that wouldn't be rational. Notice they don't mention that they could have a big money bonfire in the parking lot either.

  • @lauraleogue414
    @lauraleogue414 Před rokem

    Thank you so much, this is the clearest explanation of stock buy backs on CZcams!

  • @kevinkang4427
    @kevinkang4427 Před 4 lety +19

    stock buybacks could lead to the next overvaluation of companies

    • @weswest8666
      @weswest8666 Před 4 lety +2

      Kevin Kang already there bro, stock price goes up, up and up!

    • @is1dre
      @is1dre Před 4 lety +3

      Companies don't buy back shares for more than they are worth on a P/E or P/B basis (company Boards would not let that happen as they don't want to be sued), so buybacks can't over value a company. Only ignorant investors, like those who own shares in Tesla, a structurally unprofitable company, create overvaluations.

  • @ann266
    @ann266 Před 4 lety +1

    Very informative🤒

  • @dlepi40
    @dlepi40 Před 4 lety +4

    "There is no sign that it's about to change". Idk about lol

  • @tiburcee
    @tiburcee Před 4 lety

    For all the people saying that they didn’t even included: « giving back to employees/ higher wages »: they did, watch the video until the end please ! 3:30

  • @masonainsworth
    @masonainsworth Před 4 lety +7

    Stock Buy Backs were an illegal practice about 30 years ago. The reason being . . . it was considered to be a means of stock price manipulation. This WSJ piece whitewashes the practice.

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety

      Alcohol was also once illegal. Is a documentary about alcohol a "whitewash" for not mentioning the reasons of the temperance zealots?

    • @masonainsworth
      @masonainsworth Před 4 lety

      @@PrezVeto Slavery was once legal . . . does that mean we should go back to a bad idea?
      Of course not! Because in an honest wholehearted analysis, ALL the moral and ethical implications are addressed. Nothing is left out, or whitewashed.

  • @gooddude789
    @gooddude789 Před 2 lety

    The buyback decrease the floatshare or the outstanding share?

  • @Je.rone_
    @Je.rone_ Před 4 lety +8

    *i was reading the intelligent investor and it was interesting to hear grahams thoughts*

  • @kingkoi6542
    @kingkoi6542 Před 4 lety +4

    Since when did fraud become legal?

  • @mr2octavio
    @mr2octavio Před 4 lety +13

    Also, they take out on debt, and then they get BAILED by the government

    • @Huddy52
      @Huddy52 Před 4 lety +4

      Yet when we say the government should use spend that money on treatment for diseases those companies cause we get called entitled lazy and "stealing from the successful'

    • @movingman07
      @movingman07 Před 4 lety +1

      Exactly

    • @Quas08
      @Quas08 Před 4 lety

      Look at the airlines now 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @BlEvNliv
    @BlEvNliv Před 4 lety +2

    It's all about financial engineering to benefit from QEx/ZIRP. If Fed can fake it, then CEO's and their consultants and bankers want to be in on the game.

  • @jonjonsson4270
    @jonjonsson4270 Před 4 lety +4

    Stock buybacks always usher in recessions. It's not the cause though. An overheated economy makes return on CapEx lower. So, they can either hold the cash, pay it out in dividends, or buy their own shares. It's just a rational management decision when it's legal. Make it illegal.

  • @kevin.argueta
    @kevin.argueta Před 4 lety

    How do companies decide who’s shares to buy from during a stock buyback?

    • @isaacc3307
      @isaacc3307 Před 3 lety

      Lol there are always people and brokers selling shares on the open market.

  • @rpersaud562
    @rpersaud562 Před 4 lety +6

    Nowadays, stock buybacks are just another way to redistribute wealth to upper management. Most of the buybacks don't return them to investors since they just prevent the further dilution of stock value buy essentially buying back the stock options given to senior management. So the most of the benefits to retail stock holders is just not further diluting their shares instead of giving retail shareholders most of the benefits. I'll be impressed when the buybacks have a better effect on the existing float as opposed to just offsetting the options being showered all over the senior managements

  • @Manufacturing_conceit
    @Manufacturing_conceit Před 2 měsíci

    Nice graphs. Please show one that shows stock buy backs by year from before 1982…..

  • @youmeandeveryone5893
    @youmeandeveryone5893 Před 4 lety +7

    You guys are late to cover the topic.

  • @franksanchez1172
    @franksanchez1172 Před 4 lety +2

    I rather get paid a dividend check the stock buy back doesnt do much for me except makes the stock over valued then i dont want to buy no more it makes me want to sell the stock

    • @MegaLietuvislt
      @MegaLietuvislt Před 4 lety

      In the case of dividends you ought to pay tax for receiving it, right? At least here in the metherlands you're obliged to pay a fraction in taxes.

    • @franksanchez1172
      @franksanchez1172 Před 4 lety

      @@MegaLietuvislt yeah but i don't live in the Netherlands and second i dont mind paying taxes everyones so scared of paying taxes its life! Lol plus the tax rate for a dividend is far cheaper than regular income

  • @Raymondjohn2
    @Raymondjohn2 Před 5 měsíci +4

    I have a 3 fund portfolio consisting of 33% S&P, 33% Total stock, and 33% international. I feel a need to focus on complete growth so I went 100% stocks, but does the SP500 and TSM overlap too much to make sense holding both? However I’ve been in the red for a month now. I work hard for my money, so investing is making me a nervous sad wreck. I don’t know if I should sell everything, sit and just wait but watching my portfolio of $450k dwindle away is such an eye -sore.

    • @maga_zineng7810
      @maga_zineng7810 Před 5 měsíci +4

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  • @bidoof4938
    @bidoof4938 Před 4 lety +1

    "Another worrying sign is buybacks have coincided with a rise in corporate debt levels"
    Get back to me in Q2 2020

  • @DougOfTheAntarctic
    @DougOfTheAntarctic Před 4 lety +4

    At 1:20, it could also increase workers wages and reduce pension fund under-funding.

    • @jimkennedy4509
      @jimkennedy4509 Před 4 lety +1

      DougOfTheAntarctic few companies have underfunded pensions. The PBGC has major penalties for underfunding.

    • @DougOfTheAntarctic
      @DougOfTheAntarctic Před 4 lety

      @@jimkennedy4509
      That's good to know. Unfortunately, it's not the case in Canada. Recently, Sears Canada went bankrupt with a big deficit in their pension. There's really no one to look to after the company's gone broke.

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety

      Compensation is properly a function of the labor market

    • @DougOfTheAntarctic
      @DougOfTheAntarctic Před 4 lety +1

      @@PrezVeto
      Some firms actually have increased wages to keep staff. It's not as crazy as you think.

  • @mahamudulhassan5903
    @mahamudulhassan5903 Před 4 lety

    How are these data visualised, i want to know and learn

  • @Frenchkisssss
    @Frenchkisssss Před 4 lety +5

    All the money stolen from the workers.

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety

      You tell em, Karl 🙄

  • @npip99
    @npip99 Před 4 lety +1

    It feels so roundabout to say that the EPS increased, which is a stock indicator, so that now people are interested. Like stockholders don't just blindly follow "indicators". The point is that when the company buys back stock, everyone else's stake in the company increases. This is because the company essentially bought out some of its shareholders. I mean of course if you have a company with three shareholders, and two of them buyout the third with cash, the two people now own half the company when they used to own a third. It's just changing the structure of the company. The problem is, IPOs are necessarily a loan, a company only ever wants to IPO because it wants a say to sell its stocks for cash. If you disallow buybacks, then your telling the company that its literally not allowed to pay back its loan, it's forced to pay interest for ever. This sounds like a bad deal, and could disincentivize IPOing in the first place.

  • @Dong_Harvey
    @Dong_Harvey Před 4 lety +5

    What about paying the employees, from whom the business derives value?
    Is that too scary to mention?

    • @Dong_Harvey
      @Dong_Harvey Před 4 lety +1

      So employers are not obligated to pay employees?
      Didn't know Milty advocated slavery too..

  • @roe2123
    @roe2123 Před 4 lety +1

    So a CEO would incur debt, just to raise their EPS? Wow. How do buy backs generate revenue?

  • @russellmassey1420
    @russellmassey1420 Před 4 lety +3

    Huge tax incentives hence why you see so much in the fourth quarter

  • @esquire9445
    @esquire9445 Před 4 lety +1

    Everyone seems to forget one key part of buybacks... tax avoidance. If that money was returned to shareholders through dividend payments the investors would get taxed on it. This is another way wealthy people avoid paying the taxes.

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety +1

      Stop equating shareholders with "wealthy people". They're whomever owns stock, which includes most Americans.

    • @esquire9445
      @esquire9445 Před 4 lety +1

      @@PrezVeto Everyone should pay their fair share of tax. The rich benefit the most from those tax loopholes. Some wealthy pay 12 percent of their income in taxes where the middle class is closer to 35 percent. Some of the ways these things happen are ridiculous.

  • @desaturated6049
    @desaturated6049 Před 4 lety +3

    as an AAPL investor. I love buybacks.

  • @pushkarjain2494
    @pushkarjain2494 Před rokem

    Please make more such videos @WSJ

  • @jascrandom9855
    @jascrandom9855 Před 4 lety +9

    Inflating artificially the value of stock could create a Market Bubble.

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety

      It's not artificial. Demand for the stock really does increase, so so does the price

    • @jascrandom9855
      @jascrandom9855 Před 4 lety

      @@PrezVeto Its artificial in the sense that they don't reflect a proportional increase of economic activity and earnings. They don't reflect the company's true profitability.

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety

      @@jascrandom9855 If you want to know earnings, look at earnings. It's not rendered "artificial" because people assume share price indicates something it doesn't.

  • @K4R3N
    @K4R3N Před 4 lety

    Disappointed that higher wages as a use of cash wasn't mentioned until 3:30 because that's Central in this debate

  • @happyplaces9020
    @happyplaces9020 Před 4 lety +3

    Buying stocks back to just resell later here in a year or 2.

    • @xmorse
      @xmorse Před 4 lety

      James they could just issue more shares without buying back

    • @CapitalismInspired
      @CapitalismInspired Před 4 lety

      MORSE Don’t you have to pay capital gains tax when you sell the shares (in the buyback) which would include the premium above the market price that is ordinarily offered in share buybacks?

  • @MattyLight30
    @MattyLight30 Před 4 lety

    So do you have to sell it back the the price they are asking?

  • @teebone2157
    @teebone2157 Před 4 lety +7

    the workers basically get zero

    • @PrezVeto
      @PrezVeto Před 4 lety

      No, they get their compensation package, same as before

  • @VeganFootsoldier
    @VeganFootsoldier Před 3 lety

    music too loud