The only thing I know for certain is that Joe should have this guy back on in a decade and play back this entire interview and see how it compares to what actually happened with China.
this guy never been to china, doesn't speak chinese, and has never talked to a actual chinese peer who lives in china to verify his "research". This guy is a typical western hack who pretends to understand china
I agree. He said a couple of things I just happen to know are not correct, so it puts what he is saying in doubt in my mind. China has its serious social and economic issues for sure, but Europe is a total mess, and the US has a corrupt administration that will not allow anything but the approved narrative to be given as intel to the president. A former CIA agent, Larry Johnson, stated in an interview that for a while now, anyone who gives an honest report that does not fit the wanted narrative will just be removed or never get advanced, so everyone tells the administration what it wants to hear.
And this guy just makes assumptions. He has no evidence for any of his claims be it China or the US. This guy is a capitalist. and he is on the wrong side of history. Saying Xi murders people and not coming up with any evidence is absurd. What a waste. Good reason to stay away from America.
I'm a Chinese, I know China is dying under Emperor Xi. He has been blinded by his enablers and CCP has made all the wrong moves ever since Hu Jintao's era. China will be half dead in 3 years time.
His 2014 book predicted until 2022 when the boomer mass retirement hits. And his 2022 book predicts the next 8 years. He hasn’t been wrong except how strong Russia was (which the whole world was wrong about)
Dude SERIOUSLY this dude is rocking a man bun spouting the future. How tf can anyone believe this shit his predictions are based on sooooo many specific smaller predictions like you’d need a year to actually lay out his timeline of shit that’s “supposed” to happen
How bad could it get? I mean, global recession, 30th variant of Covid, War in Ukraine, possible invasion of Taiwan, interest rates/inflation, massive global debt, climate change, artificial intelligence, civil war, the plague, vaxxed up kids, 3D printed guns and fentanyl in your McDonald's. I think we're looking pretty, pretty good. Of course I'm an optimist though.
As someone who will most definitely end up depending on social security and my own savings to survive, the statements he made about not having enough workers to pay into the social security system is very frightening. I do not want to end up depending on my children to take care of me and support me. I worked from the age of 14 up until 4 years ago where I was in a terrible accident and I am no longer able to work. It eats me up inside because I don't like the fact that my fellow Americans now provide for me and I wanted more for myself and my family. Im not the smartest man either and I don't understand geopolitics and economic structures, but I understand that our future isn't going to be as bright as we all thought it would be. Corrupt Politicians filling their own pockets, Social Media destroying our youth and mainstreaming dancing moms and Onlyfans as the way to be, and on and on. I still have hope...but only a small amount.
You might be down but your not out. If you have a computer then you have an infinite way to make money. People all over the world work from behind a desk. You can do it from home. And if you can't then learn.
@@Dead_Empireabsolutely. And the gig economy. I haven’t had an official job with an official boss in a year, yet I’m paying to go to school, renting my own house, and still living comfortably doing work I actually wnjoy
It's wild how bad people are at predictions a decade away. I remember when geopolitical experts were saying China is going to become a liberal democracy when we started trading with them and they couldn't have been more wrong
I mean, China still could be a liberal Democracy. China has a lot of incentive to become one. It just depends on how long the Communist are planning to put their control and power over the well being of their people.
Zeihan said 6 months ago that Russia would be in Poland and Moldova by now. He's a state department/CIA shill which seem to all get spots on JRE btw...
Well, the story sells something he's trying to sell in the long run. I.e work, book, website/social media. Just say something extreme and watch the money pile
@@laststand6420 agreed. To give him credit, though, I think that the human element of these situations is often over stressed. People are more reactive than proactive.
extremely bad . unemployment rate , property bubble, banks no income due to huge debts default, everyone wants to be an officer instead of individual entrepreneurs @user-vl6zk6dp3g
It's usually people here in China has a more pessimistic(and arguably more realistic) view of ourselves than those outside voices which constantly boasting China taking the world by storm the next decade. So it's refreshing to hear someone sounded even more pessimistic than us. The truth is always in the middle, we're not gonna disappear in the next 10 years or rule the world by then.
People in China have CZcams? I read in credible newspapers that you guys can't have Facebook or CZcams or anything not controlled by the CCP how are you on CZcams? Are you really in China?
The man visualises a possible path the future might take and runs hard with it. Obviously, this is one possibility. One out of many. But I like the way he dives into it and runs through it.
How can a geopolitical analyst say an entire country will just 'go away'? The situation he is describing in China is the same exact situation in every developed country.
He speaks in a way that makes it sound a bit dramatic, but I don't think that's quite what he is saying. The economical/agricultural collapse would look similiar to the way Cuba or possibly venezuela looks at the moment. I checked most of his claims and they seem to check out. It's a bit unsettling.
Exactly. I couldn’t even make out what he meant by done. Seems like he’s specifically referring to their economy having a downturn. It will still be viable as long as people work. There’s just a ton of hyperbole in here that is off putting.
Seriously he starts answering questions immediately and says answers with condescending tones peppered through out. Can’t wait fir his career to be over when his theories prove wrong
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u just follow hype anti china in last 3 year but u know nothing LOL ,all china problem today is really nothing compared to their problem 20-30 year ago when they still poor ,like protest in tianamen ,falun gong protest ,terorist attack xinjiang,tibet protest, thats even worst and more chaotic just search all video but china success through it and solve all their problem ,so what make u think today china will collapse soon ? use ur brain a bit 🤣🤣🤣🤣 here western propaganda failed prediction about china since 30 year ago 1990 The Economist : china's economy has come to a halt 1996 The Economist : China's economy will face a hard landing 1998 The Economist : China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth 1999 Bank of Canan : likelihood of a hard landing for the chinese economy 2000 Chicago Tribune China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin 2001 Wilbanks,Smith & Thomas : A hard landing in China 2001 gordon chang and his comedy book "The Coming Collapse of China" 2002 Westchester University : China anxiously seeks a soft economic landing 2003 New York Times : Banking crisis imperils China 2004 The Economist : The grea fall of China? 2005 Nouriel Roubini : The Risk of a Hard Landing in China 2006 International Economy : Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? 2007 TIME : Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a Hard landing? 2008 Forbes : Hard Landing in china? 2009 Fortune : China's Hard landing China must find a way to recover 2010 Nouriel Roubini : Hard landing coming in China 2011 Business Insider : A Chinese Hard landing May be clcoser than you think 2012 American Interest : Dismal economic news from china : a hard landing 2013 Zero Hedge : A Hard landing in China 2014 CNBC : A hard landing in China 2015 Forbes : Congratulations ,you got yourself a chinese hard landing 2016 The Economist : Hard landing looms for China 2017 National Interest : Is China's Economy going to crash ? source : quora/Godfree-roberts
Yet, it's the polar opposite of him saying anything... 🤣🤣 Zaihan is a joke, is a clown. He ain't know anything about Geopolitics, he's just a cock-enlargement snake oil salesman tbh.
Look, I get that. But image if you were him, trying to make a living in his chosen landscape? Can we at least agree that he would surely fail if he spoke with complete indecisiveness?
He's wrong in some things. For example that Xi wasn't informed about the invasion of Ukraine. He was. The things that Zaihan are saying are mostly daydreams. I can sympathize in his hopes, but it's not helping anyone spreading misinformation.
@@theboringchannel2027 I'd be interested to see that if you have a source. People have been predicting the demographic, political, or economic collapse of China for a long time. I wonder if they're just flat misreading the situation, or if China is making policy adjustments.
"tech" companies lol doesnt really matter much . The chinese already has some home grown popular tech companies. Well nearly every country has to a certain extent
@@Yu-hx5jo what tech companies like Tencent, Bytedance bruh it is nothing compared to like big tech companies in the West like Apple, Google, Microsoft, ETC
@@ritwikrahuljena2815 China ain't collapsing due to 'lack' of Western tech companies lmao It's a giant manufacturing powerhouse with a very skilled labour force. Apple co. Needs china more than China currently needs Apple As I said being totally dependent on a service based economy is never good, because the global competition is very tight . China never suffered from "tech" companies being blacked out like Russia (again didn't stop Russian economy from growing )
@@PolfPolf That's not a source neither an academically verified fact. If China is soooo reliant on foreign companies and west hates China then ask foreign companies to simply leave China then ? But no China has the skilled labour and the machinery. China already manufactures many things independently. Trades are not unilaterally done, The West especially USA takes HUGE profit out of China.
Chinese have survived for more than 5000 years, They are not going away. This guy is delutional washington hack thinktank and his analysis based on journal papers.. You know Joe, there are door knobs in Beijing's Tiananmen square that are two times older than the whole Country of United States. So are the Italians, Japanese, Indians, Chinese, French or the Russians. All of them have a civilisation and a National identity that goes beyond last 500 years.. And You know what could go away? A nation with no racial or historical identidy such as United States. It might actually just disapear 100 years from now.
I'm glad people are able to read between the lines on Zeihan. I read his book and loved it, learned so much. But he ends up drawing all the wrong the conclusions. He's a real globalist, imperialist shill, with serious blinders regarding our position in history. His work is great, but he really should be ignored outside his technical expertise.
Do some research on his background, the team of researchers he has working for him, his books, not to mention the governments and corporations that pay him for his analysis. You might get a slightly more rounded view than from one short podcast clip…
For years I have wondered why the us hasn't transfered some of its production manufacturing to Mexico, India, or even Vietnam and leave China out of it.
I love listening to Peter Ziehan, he is very entertaining but don’t get to mesmerized by his rap. His job is to sound like he knows everything wether he does or not.
He said 6 months ago russia would use nukes and invade moldova - he just says whatever the state department/deep state want circulating in the news at the time - then they give him expensive contracts to speak at their events and conferences for DoD and etc... this dude is 100% shill.
He’s a great example of “confidently incorrect”, globalization is so incredibly complex that anyone who has the knowledge would accept that they can’t predict the future like this man is claiming to
he says what people like to hear : America's future is great, all the other countries will collapse and you'll dominate them because you are supperiors...
10 years because of demographics for china but the US has the baby boomer effect. Could be 10 days as China population is in serious condition from covid deaths and infections and now being spread by letting population travel again as 9 of ten is infected with more lethal strains. US population is close to realizing what inoculations are doing as deaths suddenly occur and increasing in a youthful population as life insurance companies show a 40% increase in deaths across demographics. Good luck.
What are you skeptical of? His theory? Or maybe the prediction of the immediate future by experts in China? Chinese government? Sorry if it sounds like I'm doubting you, I'm genuinely interested. It's not as easy as it used to be to just Google things, since there aren't any definitive answers anymore.. Everyone claims to be an expert these days, & they all seem to spend more time criticizing their peers instead of providing thoroughly researched proof. It's irritating
I know right. but whats crazy is that what he is saying was said before by think tanks, and ppl that swear that have seen the future. What's crazy is in 10 years it will be 2033. I read a book that said we will begin to see the changes around this time. climate, global strife, food insecurity.
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I watched the full 2 hours. He seems to articulate what the US government might if it had a voice to articulate its hopes and dreams for the future. If intelligence agencies actively sponsor and interfere with twitter, facebook etc. we can assume that they also sponsor authors, public speakers and media personalities.
EXCEPT FOR THE FACT HE DENIES THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS TRYING TO MAKE A DIGITAL CURRENCY WHICH THEY CAN TAKE AWAY OR MAKE U SPEND ANY TIMW THEY LIKE......THEN HE HAS TO GO HMMM SUS.
I had the opportunity to sit in on a meeting involving a young geopolitical analyst a few years ago in Qatar who was briefing several colonels and a general. The wealth of knowledge these guys have and how to effectively package it into something useful is extraordinary. This guy is giving a very basic overview of what he knows here. Believe that.
He said the exact same shit in 2010 and he was wrong. 14 years later, and we're worried about the dollar crashing and China becoming the new world superpower.
What’s really important to note is that he has spent the last 25 years talking to industry leaders who just want to hear the answer, and don’t care if the guy sounds arrogant. They don’t want to waste the time to hear all the details, they just want the info required for their decision making processes in as little time as possible.
it makes it even funnier when you line up the dozens of other "Geopolitical Analyst"s who have said this numerous times every year since 2000. Just type into CZcams "the collapse of china" and sort from new. Its laughable how china just lives in their heads rent free, every day.
yea that's called confidence and good public speaking skills. Do you want him to end every comment with a question mark? Live your life its not that serious
Thank You!! The Chinese are not going anywhere... They have been around longer than almost any culture... The only country to give them a run for their money being on the planet longer is India... This is pretty basic here... How long has America been around?? Not very long... Very basic math here... Thanx Chan
@@hughriger6177 China has approx 3500 years of genuine history, Egypt, India etc have far longer, to name just two. And past longevity is not a great predictor of future success. Although I do disagree with much of what Zeihan says.
@caketaster404 bruh, cut the 3500 year bullshit, the Chinese race theory was invented by 梁啟超 in 1900, so it 's not even that old. Before that, they only recognized whoever dynasty is in charge, and all this dynasty didn't really get along with each other very. The purpose of inventing "Chinese" is no different than your "Uncle Sam"~a made up propaganda for patriot to be proud with.
This guy is relating the outcome of trends, in reality, in their day to day life, people and governments tend to steer things farther away from disaster than those who predict it. IE things are usually never as bad as the naysayers say they will be. The people who said the world will end in ten years, ten years ago for example, and there was no shortage of them, yet here we all are.
Don't forget, geopolitical analysts are as common and accurate (meaning hardly accurate at all) as economists have been. You can always find one that gives you a narrative that scares you, one that reassures you, and so on. The world is FAR too complex with too many moving issues that no one can predict the future.
To a certain extent, but demographics are destiny. If the average child born has no brothers, no sisters, no aunts or uncles, no cousins etc. If the birth rate is so low, it's a death spiral. There's no getting around that.
The problem with both is arguing with certitude on uncertain things. We know for a fact where oil and other fundamental resources are, where they're not, and where they could be. We know for a fact the direction of global demographics. We know how long it takes to construct certain kinds of infrastructure. I trust his comments on demographics. I trust his comments on resources. Where he argues from certain things, you can be sure he's right. More speculative things like the ability to make quality chips for computers, idk, all it takes is one genius engineer with some patriotism and a lot of money (the CCP uses the money printer far more abusively on any given Tuesday than J Powell did during the deepest throws of COVID). Like if they took Elon's DNA off a hair on his comb last time he visited and created a clone in a vat somewhere in Wuhan, this clone would be able to build a chip factory out of clay. I never bet against innovation, especially when there's easy monetary policy.
And you would be more informed than him. This dudes thinks the US has a bug in Xi's office and they can hear every meeting he has and says no one talks to Xi because they can't hear anything .He's either on some heavy drugs or has a mental problem.
I have heard other economists say China only has a few years left before their economy implodes on them. I've literally heard them say as quick as 2 years and that was 6 months ago. If this is true does this make China even more dangerous and desperate?
@@Montyweb hahaha-have you heard of the race between the tortoise and the hare. In the middle of the race he took a nap as he is so confident that he will win because he look down on the tortoise and when he woke up the tortoise has crossed the finish line. If all Americans are taking a nap like you then China will win.
"Aside from the United States not going anywhere, I would say we expect the economic collapse of China in this coming decade." Peter Zeihan at Stratfor, January of 2010
Zeihan 2022 "Russia wants to invade half of Eastern Europe to fortify it's borders , analysis made like we ar in the 1500s and the risk of cavalry hordes is a reality.
@@jdruze7 Russia will have chewed out Ukraine by the end of year and continue to test the NATO in the Baltics. As far as I know the borders have not moved much for 1 year straight.
He was off by like 2 years. China's real estate market just fell through the floor and that's literally like 25-30% of local government resources. They're in a really bad way. Plus factories are moving out because they aren't the cheapest place to manufacture anymore. Someone would have to make the case for why china's going to thrive not why china's going to collapse
It’s almost like he just crunched the numbers based on how things are going at this moment assuming they won’t make any attempt to correct the issue, not to mention that they would almost inevitably get bailed out if that didn’t work considering how much we depend on them to manufacture
no you can't learn a lot from him, at least not anything that is true or within context. Listen to what he's claiming, the write down anything he's claiming as a fact (ignore his conclusions for now and just concentrate on his started facts) and then see if he's either telling a straight up lie (China's trade situation) or taking it totally out of context (diabetes rate, actually lottery than the USA, and doctors, which is comparable to the USA and Canada, while all 3 are gay behind most of the developed world, or even Cuba.)
I got that exact same impression. At around 5 minutes, Joe tries asking how China will combat it and he flatly says they'll die all the same. I got that, "Well he's clearly a very educated man," reaction combined with, 'okay, maybe he's too sure of himself.' lol
Ive watched Zeihan's predictions on the Ukraine war come true one by one, so all I can say to those who are skeptical of his predictions is watch a few more of his videos covering a world-wide context
In the late 80's Japan was predicted to surpass the US as the world's largest economy. Things don't always necessarily continue to follow their current projections
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@@litdavThats not the point of OPs comment. He is saying Chinas economy has been growing and growing lately and people have been saying they will overtake the US. His point being that people said the same thing about Japan but it never happened.
Read or listen to his book, The End of the World is Just the Beginning...He and his team have been researching this stuff for well over a decade and they are thorough AF.
Well worded, 10 minutes into the episode and turned it off. 10 seconds later i found myself covered in guilt and had to turn that on again. Great podcast, one of the most interesting and scary ones.
I've been watching his videos for a while and I think he's full of shit. He doesn't bring much evidence and his favorite line is "we now know" how do we know this?
3 qualities I admire about Joe's podcasts. 1) He allows his guest to share their knowledge. 2) He asks questions we would like to. 3) He is honest about not knowing which allows his guest to explain better so the rest of us sitting back saying Huh? stand a chance to understand. 🐝Thanks Joe and enjoy your🍯honey🙃
The missing variable factor in all of this is how much effort a group of humans puts in to fix a problem. If the only variables you consider are the problems then everything adds up to an imminent disaster.
Fix what exactly? And Well also the problem being is these aren’t decisions we get to make this is decisions of people of power so is it really us? I feel like we say this every time someone comes out and says something different.
It made me think of the conversations in " Burn After Reading " between the CIA superior and his subordinate. Just running sh*t while being just a few steps away from being clueless.
Nor no serious investigation of Blackrock CEO Larry Fink regarding their $20 trillion scheme in ESG earnings. Why is Blackrock allowed to be part of the Joe Biden administration?
@@karlmoody4891 so let's not do that again. Although I have no idea what we did in the first place. or however that line went. lol so good. love that movie.
@@rh81454 has he predicted anything of significance sofar? He certainly likes talking and he does so with conviction.. but that is hardly an indication of in-depth knowledge and an undertaking of complex interconnected systems. When does he predict the current US system will collapse?
Interesting to revisit this video a year later, in March 2024. China's economic situation seems even more challenging than in 2023. Let's check back next year and see if the trajectory holds.
Peter Zeihan has a very well rehearsed presentation that he has been delivering in generally the same format for well over a decade. His presentations are all over CZcams if you go looking for them. He generally says the same thing in most of them with only minor differences based on updated data. He's been doing this same basic presentation for a long time which is why he sounds so confident.
@@randyjones3050 Oh yes. You can find videos that where shot in 2013s. Quality is subpar but he's been at it for a while. His dates are more than a bit off but questioning the inevitability is hard, I found his videos in early 2016s. I say this as a skeptic of projections that predict the collapse of entire nation states, given the available data just from the clear net China's overdependance on the world is glaringly clear. He has sone great insights. Read his work after Marshall's, so not a bad follow up.
it's to make himself sound credible and act like he knows what he's talking about....in this clip he calls something undoubtedly after saying he has no data or info on it hahahaha
This whole podcast followed this process: Joe asks Peter a question ---- Peter provides a detailed analysis with a mostly negative outlook --- Joe: PPPPHHHEEEEWWWWWW
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"Detailed analysis"... lol Ukrainian casualties, gay demons, China's sex ratio, Putin is terminally ill, there's literally nothing to back these things up.
Imagine if this all ages well, though. How cool would it be to lean back hands behind your head with big dic energy like, "I FUKN TRIED TO WARN YOU FOOLS"
@@Zack-jc9yb dude he predicted that Russia would begin invading neighbors way back in 2018. SO yea he's definitely right on some things AND @karimshebeika8010 guess what, if we do end up in a world war from escalation in Ukraine he will have been absolutely right in his prediction of WW3
Peter published an article in 2010 saying China would collapse in the next decade. fast forward to now, China is still here. Peter basically keeps predicting every decade until either it happens or he dies of old age still predicting.
Agreed it's always the same crap. Sure CN could follow the west but they have much more years in the tank. CN is the new empire and anglosaxons must lie to themselves to ignore these fact. They now try to make that silly military intervention in TW with regime change crap by 2027. What they aren't consider they could have lost their currency before that.
Fair, but timing is always hard. Think back to the 2008 financial crisis. Everyone likes to talk about Michael Burry and the others, but there were plenty of people who recognized the problems caused by the actions of the banks and the government's policies years and years before. Identifying structural problems doesn't mean you'll be able to time the exact moment everything falls apart. Again it's fair to criticize him for trying to give a specific timeline; he probably should know better, but I do think you should evaluate his claims of the structural problems independent of his timeline.
Nope. It has collapsed. You as a westerner have no idead whats happening on the inside. The only thing you see is them fleeing by the thousands trying to get into USA. What's happening now is the result of cowardliness of the Chinese people for letting the CCP taking over every espect of their lives and did nothing about it.
He's an american geopolitical expert. It's his job to talk BS and lie about other countries to make them look bad in order to make USA look better in comparison. This guy lies the moment he opens his mouth.
@@upwardspiral7441 ??? It's literally a 14 minute video of ONE topic, wdym "be specific"? He was way too overconfident for the whole duration of the clip, probably the whole podcast too.
@@lulumoon6942 Yeah I was confused why this guy even mentioned it, like of course he is going to be interested, he invited the person on. He's not going to invite some one and be like you're boring why are you here.
yeah inflation looks fine compared to contraction and the shcomp is actually not collapsing at all. so far as i can tell the housing market and real assets in semis havent gone anywhere. theyre perfectly comfortable conucting this counter trade war. the rmb is sinking, but the damage is being well controlled. i dont think were winning this one.
He seems very confident in what he says. With people like this I wish Joe would say after half an hour: and now we bring in Mr. X to have a 3-way conversation, and look at it from another angle. I would be more confident about what he says if I heard some criticism first.
Everyone should be treated equal. I’m in the US and some of the connections we have the proud boys etc whatever you want to call them are all dead meat. Make sure everything runs smooth.
I think it's pretty clear this guy was an establishment tool. Nearly every single thing he said was the exact opposite of what most independent journalists are saying. He's trying to switch the narrative. I have to admit I was even buying it for a while until I remembered the beginning of the Podcast he said he was working for the government. Or with....somehow connected.
This what I want to know exactly once I think China's just going to dominate the world and take over the other side thinks it's not going to exist in 10 years it can't be both
@@Launchpad1892 it's somewhere in the middle and I think most of this is just Scare Tactics propaganda. I say that cuz if 99% of Joe Rogan's podcast it's either DMT or trying to scare the s*** out of you
You're not wrong but the US is in a much better place than China is. The US has the capacity to at the very least produce their own food and energy. China cannot.
Because the people telling us China is an amazing rising power all had money invested either in China or in the military industrial complex to fight China. It's not hard. The ADV guys were more accurate about Covid more than a year before the mainstream media because they read Chinese social media and news stories and just used basic common sense. The fact that people are still hedging their bets on whether or not it came from the lab is just as mindblowing as people still accepting Epstein committed suicide.
I mean I would be too, Russia or China or any major players in the world is a huge part of the world. It is going to have global impact not matter what happens
If you see the collapse of Russia and chinas current regimes as anything other than a positive your insane. It’s the inevitable death of a socialist/communist philosophy that has proven to fail and has only lasted this long because of the extreme propping up of these nations by other more sustainable powers
I loved the ending of the podcast. Zeihan says, "I'm glad you enjoyed yourself" while Rogan looks completely beat down like he has the flu, from all the negative forecasts.
@@rh81454 😂. Bet Rogan really wanted to steer the conversation towards elk meat and the relationship between Amanita muscaria mushrooms and Santa Claus.
10 years is a really good period of time for “predictions”.. it’s far enough away to avoid being held accountable, and yet soon enough to create a sense of urgency to go out and buy this guys books and get him paid airtime, and all he has to do is sound confident. I give him 10/10 for hustle ability. Probably would be decent at selling used cars as well.
Haha well said. AI production in 10 years will change the game. Also China in 2022 leads in AI papers and parents, and is developing technology. People have been shitting on their innovation for so long they can’t change that mental model. There’s so many software developers in China it’s crazy.
The only thing I know for certain is that Joe should have this guy back on in a decade and play back this entire interview and see how it compares to what actually happened with China.
his grift is done by that point
no longer doing interviews LOL
@@TheVoiceofTheProphetElizer 💯🤣so true
He should have a lot of guests back, that have their theories, and see if any of them were right.
this guy never been to china, doesn't speak chinese, and has never talked to a actual chinese peer who lives in china to verify his "research". This guy is a typical western hack who pretends to understand china
@@therearenoshortcuts9868 glad it just isn't me that thinks this guy has major flaws in his thinking here.
He's either the greatest bullshitter to ever live, or is truly confident in his information
Yeah, one or the other at an extreme level.
He's the greatest bullshitter to ever live
Yeah I take everything I hear on JRE with a massive grain of salt.
Bullshitter
He was right about Ukraine to the week. Predicted something like 4 or 5 years ago.
I'm sure this guy know alot and has some good points, but expresses everything with 100% certainty. I've never met a competent person that does that
He is a charlatan. I can spot one from miles. I'm italian.
That’s what happens when someone is in so much love with their own idea, they lose touch with reality 😅
He provides no evidence for any of his claims.
@@DannyWeil He predicted Ukraine and Brexit back in his 2016 book, right to the year it happened.
yup the more i learn, the less i know.. anyone that is certain of ANYTHING is immediately a red flag to me
Analyst, one of the only jobs that doesn't get you in trouble when you're wrong.
Exactly. He saying things without support or facts
And meteorologists
I agree. He said a couple of things I just happen to know are not correct, so it puts what he is saying in doubt in my mind.
China has its serious social and economic issues for sure, but Europe is a total mess, and the US has a corrupt administration that will not allow anything but the approved narrative to be given as intel to the president. A former CIA agent, Larry Johnson, stated in an interview that for a while now, anyone who gives an honest report that does not fit the wanted narrative will just be removed or never get advanced, so everyone tells the administration what it wants to hear.
First 4 letters is trouble enough.
Hey oooo, zinnnng.
And this guy just makes assumptions. He has no evidence for any of his claims be it China or the US.
This guy is a capitalist.
and he is on the wrong side of history.
Saying Xi murders people and not coming up with any evidence is absurd.
What a waste.
Good reason to stay away from America.
Joe should have him on again in 10 years and see how this plays out.
Joe dies in April of 2028 unfortunately.
He’ll be laughing all the way to the bank in 10 years
He'll say "Give it another 10 years or so'.
I'm a Chinese, I know China is dying under Emperor Xi. He has been blinded by his enablers and CCP has made all the wrong moves ever since Hu Jintao's era. China will be half dead in 3 years time.
His 2014 book predicted until 2022 when the boomer mass retirement hits. And his 2022 book predicts the next 8 years. He hasn’t been wrong except how strong Russia was (which the whole world was wrong about)
I just hope I survive another 10 years to come back to this video
Dude SERIOUSLY this dude is rocking a man bun spouting the future. How tf can anyone believe this shit his predictions are based on sooooo many specific smaller predictions like you’d need a year to actually lay out his timeline of shit that’s “supposed” to happen
How bad could it get? I mean, global recession, 30th variant of Covid, War in Ukraine, possible invasion of Taiwan, interest rates/inflation, massive global debt, climate change, artificial intelligence, civil war, the plague, vaxxed up kids, 3D printed guns and fentanyl in your McDonald's. I think we're looking pretty, pretty good. Of course I'm an optimist though.
That'd mean you'd make it to the premier of his new book - "China only has 10 more years left, this time for real, trust me bro"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you're not the online 👍🏻🤣🤣🤣
Remind me 10 years
Joes ability to ask the right questions at the right time is unmatched.
Active listener
I wish Joe had asked what the guy meant by "remake the human condition" and "overhaul what being human means"
Respectfully disagree. Heavily dependant on the guest imo.
Lex is amazing at questions too
Its not that hard , especially when the other person be talking gibberish
As someone who will most definitely end up depending on social security and my own savings to survive, the statements he made about not having enough workers to pay into the social security system is very frightening.
I do not want to end up depending on my children to take care of me and support me.
I worked from the age of 14 up until 4 years ago where I was in a terrible accident and I am no longer able to work.
It eats me up inside because I don't like the fact that my fellow Americans now provide for me and I wanted more for myself and my family.
Im not the smartest man either and I don't understand geopolitics and economic structures, but I understand that our future isn't going to be as bright as we all thought it would be.
Corrupt Politicians filling their own pockets, Social Media destroying our youth and mainstreaming dancing moms and Onlyfans as the way to be, and on and on.
I still have hope...but only a small amount.
You might be down but your not out.
If you have a computer then you have an infinite way to make money. People all over the world work from behind a desk. You can do it from home. And if you can't then learn.
@@Dead_Empireabsolutely. And the gig economy. I haven’t had an official job with an official boss in a year, yet I’m paying to go to school, renting my own house, and still living comfortably doing work I actually wnjoy
You boomers should have passed down more of your wealth to your next generation.
boomers caused this.
oh, theyve known the social security system is fucked....anyone under 50 isnt gonna get shit back
better buy bitcoin, dude...
It's wild how bad people are at predictions a decade away. I remember when geopolitical experts were saying China is going to become a liberal democracy when we started trading with them and they couldn't have been more wrong
I mean, China still could be a liberal Democracy. China has a lot of incentive to become one. It just depends on how long the Communist are planning to put their control and power over the well being of their people.
There's more freedom in China than in the US.
So now maybe theft should understand the skepticism towards global warming. Fifty years of predictions and none have been correct...
I mean its not really wild though . A lot changes in 10 years😂
@@truthabovethetruth2167 why not just link to the fucking forum?
He's right about the bad signs. But these systems are so complex it is not easy to project two years out, let alone ten.
Zeihan said 6 months ago that Russia would be in Poland and Moldova by now. He's a state department/CIA shill which seem to all get spots on JRE btw...
Regardless though I think his overall prognosis is correct, even if the time scaling is off.
I love his information, he is extremely well read. However his predictions don't seem to take human reaction into account.
Well, the story sells something he's trying to sell in the long run. I.e work, book, website/social media. Just say something extreme and watch the money pile
@@laststand6420 agreed. To give him credit, though, I think that the human element of these situations is often over stressed. People are more reactive than proactive.
as a Chinese who on the half way of "running' away from there . the situation is more serious than he described
How bad is it ?
extremely bad . unemployment rate , property bubble, banks no income due to huge debts default, everyone wants to be an officer instead of individual entrepreneurs @user-vl6zk6dp3g
Just stay where you are
why? @@stuartkerr5872
fake chinese
It's usually people here in China has a more pessimistic(and arguably more realistic) view of ourselves than those outside voices which constantly boasting China taking the world by storm the next decade. So it's refreshing to hear someone sounded even more pessimistic than us. The truth is always in the middle, we're not gonna disappear in the next 10 years or rule the world by then.
People in China have CZcams? I read in credible newspapers that you guys can't have Facebook or CZcams or anything not controlled by the CCP how are you on CZcams? Are you really in China?
China is still growing though.
@@tommyscott9085 no it's not, one Chinese official said that figures like GDP are made up and got fired soon after that, Premier Li.
@@tommyscott9085ccording to their own data and it has been proven is manipulated to the extreme.
Thank you for your candor. Our leaders aren't so great either. They want to divide and conquer us.
This guy is good at talking, but I'm always skeptical of people talking with certainty about incredibly complex topics.
He does talk doesn’t he lol?
He thinks he's got it all figured out.
@@jessefay4984 That is usually a good sign someone missed something critical.
@@jessefay4984 not hard if you actually do research and see the current state of china
he's a state department/cia shill
Is it just me or does anyone else not trust a damn thing anyone says about anything anymore…?
Peter has been right about way too many things
@Chain NVSTR well that’s a you problem.
Everyone has an agenda these days and that makes it difficult to separate the truth from the lies.
I think that was the overall objective of all this crazy shit going on these last few years.
no, I just do not trust what he is saying
The man visualises a possible path the future might take and runs hard with it. Obviously, this is one possibility. One out of many. But I like the way he dives into it and runs through it.
How can a geopolitical analyst say an entire country will just 'go away'? The situation he is describing in China is the same exact situation in every developed country.
He speaks in a way that makes it sound a bit dramatic, but I don't think that's quite what he is saying. The economical/agricultural collapse would look similiar to the way Cuba or possibly venezuela looks at the moment. I checked most of his claims and they seem to check out. It's a bit unsettling.
Exactly. I couldn’t even make out what he meant by done. Seems like he’s specifically referring to their economy having a downturn. It will still be viable as long as people work. There’s just a ton of hyperbole in here that is off putting.
It's always weird to me when someone's super confident about the future
That is because you are not a student of history.
He's not wrong and other people are sounding the alarm about this.
“Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future.”
― Niels Bohr
@@raveporn LOL, you can only learn from history, not predict the future, as good as that may sound in movies and books.
Remember what happened when Hitler took the guns
He’s probably the most humble guy he knows.
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Never saw a mirror he didn’t like
Seriously he starts answering questions immediately and says answers with condescending tones peppered through out. Can’t wait fir his career to be over when his theories prove wrong
@@Vaser1013 it will prove wrong . Peter Zeihan is another typical stupid arrogant racist white folks that just love to talk craps 💩 about China with Nasty anti China rhetoric HAHAHAHA LOL 😂😂😂😂👍👍👍🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺!!!
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And the BSer of the year award goes too🏆
If the last 3 years taught me anything, it's that these "expert analysts" do a heck of a lot guessing..
Yes and also with extreme confidence that they are telling facts and not just guessing.
That's not an argument.
u just follow hype anti china in last 3 year but u know nothing LOL ,all china problem today is really nothing compared to their problem 20-30 year ago when they still poor ,like protest in tianamen ,falun gong protest ,terorist attack xinjiang,tibet protest, thats even worst and more chaotic just search all video but china success through it and solve all their problem ,so what make u think today china will collapse soon ? use ur brain a bit 🤣🤣🤣🤣
here western propaganda failed prediction about china since 30 year ago
1990 The Economist : china's economy has come to a halt
1996 The Economist : China's economy will face a hard landing
1998 The Economist : China's economy entering a dangerous period of sluggish growth
1999 Bank of Canan : likelihood of a hard landing for the chinese economy
2000 Chicago Tribune China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin
2001 Wilbanks,Smith & Thomas : A hard landing in China
2001 gordon chang and his comedy book "The Coming Collapse of China"
2002 Westchester University : China anxiously seeks a soft economic landing
2003 New York Times : Banking crisis imperils China
2004 The Economist : The grea fall of China?
2005 Nouriel Roubini : The Risk of a Hard Landing in China
2006 International Economy : Can China Achieve a Soft Landing?
2007 TIME : Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a Hard landing?
2008 Forbes : Hard Landing in china?
2009 Fortune : China's Hard landing China must find a way to recover
2010 Nouriel Roubini : Hard landing coming in China
2011 Business Insider : A Chinese Hard landing May be clcoser than you think
2012 American Interest : Dismal economic news from china : a hard landing
2013 Zero Hedge : A Hard landing in China
2014 CNBC : A hard landing in China
2015 Forbes : Congratulations ,you got yourself a chinese hard landing
2016 The Economist : Hard landing looms for China
2017 National Interest : Is China's Economy going to crash ?
source : quora/Godfree-roberts
@@anypercentdeathless True. It's an observation.
ok
Joe stressing like he's the one who gotta fix all 😂
😂😂😂
He kinda is
Leave him alone 😢the guy is just trying to fit everything into his head. He interviews a crazy variety of people a few times a week
Joe's looking tired!
Crying lol
Peter Zaihan has been saying this for years now. Predicting China's failure sells his books.
Yet, it's the polar opposite of him saying anything... 🤣🤣 Zaihan is a joke, is a clown. He ain't know anything about Geopolitics, he's just a cock-enlargement snake oil salesman tbh.
Wow! 😮 this was very informative.
It's hard to trust someone who speaks with impossible certainty.
I think there is a certain kind of people who actually love it and fall for it
Look, I get that. But image if you were him, trying to make a living in his chosen landscape? Can we at least agree that he would surely fail if he spoke with complete indecisiveness?
@@karimshebeika8010FACTS, this is how people are like a cult for Andrew tate😂 it’s just manipulation folks
I know people like this in real life. They're difficult to interact with and very arrogant.
Absolutely can't trust this Peter Z guy at all.
He's wrong in some things. For example that Xi wasn't informed about the invasion of Ukraine. He was.
The things that Zaihan are saying are mostly daydreams. I can sympathize in his hopes, but it's not helping anyone spreading misinformation.
I want him to come back on Joe Rogan 10years later
I bet that what he says doesn't come true, it's wishful thinking IMO
he'll probably be dead
he said the same stuff in 2010,
will probably be repeating it in 2030 as well.
@@theboringchannel2027 I'd be interested to see that if you have a source. People have been predicting the demographic, political, or economic collapse of China for a long time. I wonder if they're just flat misreading the situation, or if China is making policy adjustments.
@@theboringchannel2027 Proof?
Almost 5000 years of existence and they're all gone in 10 years? Not sure about this one.
Haha good point
Fascinating back and forth
Cherish those who seek truth, but beware of those who found it.
That sounds smart to dumb people lol
John 14:6
Precisely.
@@AIIRHEAD11 John spitting facts
Chinese proverb?
This man can reassure me and frighten me in the same sentence
Don’t be so gullible
@@mustangx You know nothing boomer
Then you are a fool cause half of what he’s spewing out is pure propaganda
@@sethdemers1530 Says who? Or is it your gut feeling?
@@sethdemers1530 Why is your profile empty Seth? I probably don't have the language pack to type your real name
Yahoo just picked this up 7 months later. Well done Pete.
Three months later and the amount of tech companies pulling out of China is huge.
"tech" companies lol doesnt really matter much . The chinese already has some home grown popular tech companies. Well nearly every country has to a certain extent
@@Yu-hx5jo what tech companies like Tencent, Bytedance bruh it is nothing compared to like big tech companies in the West like Apple, Google, Microsoft, ETC
@@ritwikrahuljena2815 China ain't collapsing due to 'lack' of Western tech companies lmao It's a giant manufacturing powerhouse with a very skilled labour force.
Apple co. Needs china more than China currently needs Apple
As I said being totally dependent on a service based economy is never good, because the global competition is very tight . China never suffered from "tech" companies being blacked out like Russia (again didn't stop Russian economy from growing )
@@Yu-hx5jogot to 3:57 and listen to what he says. Chinas industrial base is massive but completely reliant on foreign companies.
@@PolfPolf That's not a source neither an academically verified fact.
If China is soooo reliant on foreign companies and west hates China then ask foreign companies to simply leave China then ? But no China has the skilled labour and the machinery. China already manufactures many things independently.
Trades are not unilaterally done, The West especially USA takes HUGE profit out of China.
This guy simultaneously strikes as someone full of fascinating information, and someone you really shouldn't trust.
Chinese have survived for more than 5000 years, They are not going away. This guy is delutional washington hack thinktank and his analysis based on journal papers.. You know Joe, there are door knobs in Beijing's Tiananmen square that are two times older than the whole Country of United States. So are the Italians, Japanese, Indians, Chinese, French or the Russians. All of them have a civilisation and a National identity that goes beyond last 500 years.. And You know what could go away? A nation with no racial or historical identidy such as United States. It might actually just disapear 100 years from now.
yeah a classic traveling bard
I'm glad people are able to read between the lines on Zeihan. I read his book and loved it, learned so much. But he ends up drawing all the wrong the conclusions. He's a real globalist, imperialist shill, with serious blinders regarding our position in history. His work is great, but he really should be ignored outside his technical expertise.
Do some research on his background, the team of researchers he has working for him, his books, not to mention the governments and corporations that pay him for his analysis. You might get a slightly more rounded view than from one short podcast clip…
Pro vaccine sounds like it- He believes in vaccine immunity tells me He is a bullshitter
Fascinating conversation, but I’m sceptical of anyone who is so sure of their own ideas
Right. He sounds like a remarkably human robot.
My thoughts exactly. Anyone that confident is usually being honest with you but lying to themselves.
So am I, but if you read his book, he goes remarkably in-depth on his sources and it's legit
Never trust a dude with a ponytail
@@njp4340 Did you hear that somewhere or did you just make it up? Be honest because that is a great quote lol
For years I have wondered why the us hasn't transfered some of its production manufacturing to Mexico, India, or even Vietnam and leave China out of it.
It is in the process but it will be done gradually. I heard some companies exclusively manufacture products in Vietnam and Bangladesh
Can’t believe people still take this guy seriously
Well the establishment produce these types 😂
@@vanfja he’s literally the most pro establishment guy ever
I love listening to Peter Ziehan, he is very entertaining but don’t get to mesmerized by his rap. His job is to sound like he knows everything wether he does or not.
He said 6 months ago russia would use nukes and invade moldova - he just says whatever the state department/deep state want circulating in the news at the time - then they give him expensive contracts to speak at their events and conferences for DoD and etc... this dude is 100% shill.
He’s a great example of “confidently incorrect”, globalization is so incredibly complex that anyone who has the knowledge would accept that they can’t predict the future like this man is claiming to
He's probably a paid by the government schill
like the former CIA guest that talks a whole 2 hours of nothing
he says what people like to hear : America's future is great, all the other countries will collapse and you'll dominate them because you are supperiors...
Never underestimate how resilient humans are.
China even survived the whole Mao thing.....well a hell of a lot of them didn't obviously.
Exactly. People will do extraordinary things to not die
What about the Romans though
@@jeffyboyreloaded Tell that to the 50 million that died under Mao's regime..
What does that have to do with anything he is saying
Things coming true day to day
I wish I could listen to this guy’s voice all day and night is it just me or is his voice settling?
I listen to Peter with great interest and a heavy dose of skepticism of the coming future.
10 years because of demographics for china but the US has the baby boomer effect.
Could be 10 days as China population is in serious condition from covid deaths and infections and now being spread by letting population travel again as 9 of ten is infected with more lethal strains.
US population is close to realizing what inoculations are doing as deaths suddenly occur and increasing in a youthful population as life insurance companies show a 40% increase in deaths across demographics. Good luck.
What are you skeptical of? His theory? Or maybe the prediction of the immediate future by experts in China? Chinese government?
Sorry if it sounds like I'm doubting you, I'm genuinely interested. It's not as easy as it used to be to just Google things, since there aren't any definitive answers anymore.. Everyone claims to be an expert these days, & they all seem to spend more time criticizing their peers instead of providing thoroughly researched proof. It's irritating
He predicted the Ukraine incident
I know right. but whats crazy is that what he is saying was said before by think tanks, and ppl that swear that have seen the future. What's crazy is in 10 years it will be 2033. I read a book that said we will begin to see the changes around this time. climate, global strife, food insecurity.
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I watched the full 2 hours. He seems to articulate what the US government might if it had a voice to articulate its hopes and dreams for the future. If intelligence agencies actively sponsor and interfere with twitter, facebook etc. we can assume that they also sponsor authors, public speakers and media personalities.
This guy is so biased its not even funny...
Great point
CIA has been known to sponsor many "grass roots" orgs, publishers and authors.
EXCEPT FOR THE FACT HE DENIES THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS TRYING TO MAKE A DIGITAL CURRENCY WHICH THEY CAN TAKE AWAY OR MAKE U SPEND ANY TIMW THEY LIKE......THEN HE HAS TO GO HMMM SUS.
Team America… fuck yeah
I had the opportunity to sit in on a meeting involving a young geopolitical analyst a few years ago in Qatar who was briefing several colonels and a general. The wealth of knowledge these guys have and how to effectively package it into something useful is extraordinary. This guy is giving a very basic overview of what he knows here. Believe that.
He said the exact same shit in 2010 and he was wrong. 14 years later, and we're worried about the dollar crashing and China becoming the new world superpower.
What’s really important to note is that he has spent the last 25 years talking to industry leaders who just want to hear the answer, and don’t care if the guy sounds arrogant. They don’t want to waste the time to hear all the details, they just want the info required for their decision making processes in as little time as possible.
Sincere Love & Respect to you Joe Rogan for maintaining such an amazing show of Endless SOLID CONTENT ❤️
It's crazy how confidently someone can voice their opinions as absolute fact.
it makes it even funnier when you line up the dozens of other "Geopolitical Analyst"s who have said this numerous times every year since 2000. Just type into CZcams "the collapse of china" and sort from new. Its laughable how china just lives in their heads rent free, every day.
@@rob6354 money.
yea that's called confidence and good public speaking skills. Do you want him to end every comment with a question mark? Live your life its not that serious
china sympathizer
Math is a crazy drug.
I'm still so fascinated by how Joe can talk to anyone about anything for hours without even being boring or weird
He prepares for each guest. They’re planned ahead dude.
@@LudiCrust. That's still fascinating planning and keeping a guest engaged throughout the convo
Simple public speaking skills
@@ansonien117 maybe for you mate but for an introverted nerd like me that's a God tier skill
@@ansonien117 😂 🤡
The ad for this video under the video for me was "American Heating and Air LLC"
this guy has made is entire career on what if's
I find it funny.
In China, people also listen to their analyst on podcasts talking about America have 10 year left.
people need clickbait
if you say things will go up and down but life will continue - people just get really bored
Thank You!! The Chinese are not going anywhere... They have been around longer than almost any culture... The only country to give them a run for their money being on the planet longer is India... This is pretty basic here... How long has America been around?? Not very long... Very basic math here... Thanx Chan
@@hughriger6177 China has approx 3500 years of genuine history, Egypt, India etc have far longer, to name just two. And past longevity is not a great predictor of future success. Although I do disagree with much of what Zeihan says.
@caketaster404 bruh, cut the 3500 year bullshit, the Chinese race theory was invented by 梁啟超 in 1900, so it 's not even that old.
Before that, they only recognized whoever dynasty is in charge, and all this dynasty didn't really get along with each other very.
The purpose of inventing "Chinese" is no different than your "Uncle Sam"~a made up propaganda for patriot to be proud with.
America is already gone... have you seen Baltimore, and Philly.. it's like dawn of the damned.
You know the situation is bad when Joe runs out of questions and just takes a deep breath.
It's the fresh BS aroma.
Literally was reading this and Joe took a big exhale right at the end of your comment. 😄
It stresses me out when Joe takes a deep breath
It's because 95% of his audiences believe China is taken over the United States. Joe's thinking about how he going to explain this to his audience 🤣
@@kennymichaelalanya7134 don’t be stressed sometimes joe forgets he can breathe
Just an FYI, This guy works the MIC. Literally.
This guy is relating the outcome of trends, in reality, in their day to day life, people and governments tend to steer things farther away from disaster than those who predict it. IE things are usually never as bad as the naysayers say they will be. The people who said the world will end in ten years, ten years ago for example, and there was no shortage of them, yet here we all are.
Don't forget, geopolitical analysts are as common and accurate (meaning hardly accurate at all) as economists have been. You can always find one that gives you a narrative that scares you, one that reassures you, and so on. The world is FAR too complex with too many moving issues that no one can predict the future.
trying to outwit life.....
To a certain extent, but demographics are destiny. If the average child born has no brothers, no sisters, no aunts or uncles, no cousins etc. If the birth rate is so low, it's a death spiral. There's no getting around that.
@@anthonyreed480 yup
The problem with both is arguing with certitude on uncertain things. We know for a fact where oil and other fundamental resources are, where they're not, and where they could be. We know for a fact the direction of global demographics. We know how long it takes to construct certain kinds of infrastructure.
I trust his comments on demographics. I trust his comments on resources. Where he argues from certain things, you can be sure he's right.
More speculative things like the ability to make quality chips for computers, idk, all it takes is one genius engineer with some patriotism and a lot of money (the CCP uses the money printer far more abusively on any given Tuesday than J Powell did during the deepest throws of COVID). Like if they took Elon's DNA off a hair on his comb last time he visited and created a clone in a vat somewhere in Wuhan, this clone would be able to build a chip factory out of clay. I never bet against innovation, especially when there's easy monetary policy.
I identify as seeing the future tho 👁️👄👁️
This dude sounds like me after reading random wikipedia articles for several hours.
Lmao - love this comment!! Throw adderall into the mix for added effect 😂😂
Bingo
And you would be more informed than him. This dudes thinks the US has a bug in Xi's office and they can hear every meeting he has and says no one talks to Xi because they can't hear anything
.He's either on some heavy drugs
or has a mental problem.
With some adderal and 9 cups of coffe
I have heard other economists say China only has a few years left before their economy implodes on them. I've literally heard them say as quick as 2 years and that was 6 months ago. If this is true does this make China even more dangerous and desperate?
That is what I am saying!
They might try something but they really are a paper dragon, they endanger themselves more than anyone else
@@Montyweb hahaha-have you heard of the race between the tortoise and the hare. In the middle of the race he took a nap as he is so confident that he will win because he look down on the tortoise and when he woke up the tortoise has crossed the finish line. If all Americans are taking a nap like you then China will win.
I’m a time traveler from 2033, and I can confirm none of this happened
Please have him back after 10 years
Why is CZcams blocking the replies here... It says "Two replies" and yet when I click it, nothing comes up...
Yeah please bring him back in 10 years. because It would prove what a liar this guy is .
"Aside from the United States not going anywhere, I would say we expect the economic collapse of China in this coming decade." Peter Zeihan at Stratfor, January of 2010
Zeihan 2022 "Russia wants to invade half of Eastern Europe to fortify it's borders , analysis made like we ar in the 1500s and the risk of cavalry hordes is a reality.
@@joeroganpodfantasy42 Russia invades Ukraine and fights an artillery led ground war like its WWI.
@@jdruze7 Russia will have chewed out Ukraine by the end of year and continue to test the NATO in the Baltics.
As far as I know the borders have not moved much for 1 year straight.
He was off by like 2 years. China's real estate market just fell through the floor and that's literally like 25-30% of local government resources. They're in a really bad way. Plus factories are moving out because they aren't the cheapest place to manufacture anymore. Someone would have to make the case for why china's going to thrive not why china's going to collapse
@@oakinwol agreed. Peter Z makes predictions which are extrapolated from hard data points. I, for one, concur that we've already seen "peak China".
I like these podcasts
It’s almost like he just crunched the numbers based on how things are going at this moment assuming they won’t make any attempt to correct the issue, not to mention that they would almost inevitably get bailed out if that didn’t work considering how much we depend on them to manufacture
This guy is so well spoken and articulate that if he told me I'm unicorn with diabetes I'd believe him
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And that is in part, a large part, of why his message, though flawed and full of misrepresentation and errored facts, is so dangerous
The truth is easy to sell
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I thought he was talking about America
This is one of those guys you can learn a lot from but also not trust his full stop truth
Full stop truth. I love that phrase.
no you can't learn a lot from him, at least not anything that is true or within context.
Listen to what he's claiming, the write down anything he's claiming as a fact (ignore his conclusions for now and just concentrate on his started facts) and then see if he's either telling a straight up lie (China's trade situation) or taking it totally out of context (diabetes rate, actually lottery than the USA, and doctors, which is comparable to the USA and Canada, while all 3 are gay behind most of the developed world, or even Cuba.)
I got that exact same impression. At around 5 minutes, Joe tries asking how China will combat it and he flatly says they'll die all the same. I got that, "Well he's clearly a very educated man," reaction combined with, 'okay, maybe he's too sure of himself.' lol
you have to watch his presentation that he does for companies and whoever. i suggest watching on youtube "peter zeihan keynote speaker 2019"
@@RetiredInThailand Did you just say American is behind Cuba in doctors or healthcare?
Gordon Chang went over this. They had a meeting about whether they could handle sanctions and no one said yes
Ive watched Zeihan's predictions on the Ukraine war come true one by one, so all I can say to those who are skeptical of his predictions is watch a few more of his videos covering a world-wide context
such as? the predictions coming true
In the late 80's Japan was predicted to surpass the US as the world's largest economy. Things don't always necessarily continue to follow their current projections
was it predicted by him? if not, what does this have to do with the video above
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@@litdavThats not the point of OPs comment. He is saying Chinas economy has been growing and growing lately and people have been saying they will overtake the US. His point being that people said the same thing about Japan but it never happened.
There's no connection between China and Japan.
@p o p Japan will have their own military in 5 years because it can no longer rely on USA. But we are supposed to
This man is so self-assured, it makes me not believe him. But at the same time, I also think one cannot afford to dismiss him.
Read or listen to his book, The End of the World is Just the Beginning...He and his team have been researching this stuff for well over a decade and they are thorough AF.
@@damiannordmann-invinciblee6049 He is conman, and full of shit put next to real analyst, he would get mopped. His youtube videos are total clickbait.
Well worded, 10 minutes into the episode and turned it off. 10 seconds later i found myself covered in guilt and had to turn that on again. Great podcast, one of the most interesting and scary ones.
@@damiannordmann-invinciblee6049 He seems to have lost sight of the fact that wealth comes from using fossil fuel and not from population
I've been watching his videos for a while and I think he's full of shit. He doesn't bring much evidence and his favorite line is "we now know" how do we know this?
An adjustment isnt a super catastrophic or even catastrophic collapse. And later things will get better still further adjusting.
68 yrs old and trying to wrap my head around this discussion …. 🤔🧐
3 qualities I admire about Joe's podcasts.
1) He allows his guest to share their knowledge.
2) He asks questions we would like to.
3) He is honest about not knowing which allows his guest to explain better so the rest of us sitting back saying Huh? stand a chance to understand.
🐝Thanks Joe and enjoy your🍯honey🙃
I totally agree there's not many podcasts I can listen to before calling bullshit but Joe Rogan is right on the money with what you said 👍
yeah that's what keep joe rogan real. unlike many podcast who just agree with the information
It’s Mad Honey 😂
Very well put, I enjoyed this guest. Invested from jump!!!😳
Allows the guest to talk and lets us decide what to think
The missing variable factor in all of this is how much effort a group of humans puts in to fix a problem. If the only variables you consider are the problems then everything adds up to an imminent disaster.
Exactly! Humans are quite ingenious at fixing problems.
@@wendyspearTrue, but they are quite talented at causing them too... its a doubled edged blade.
Fix what exactly? And Well also the problem being is these aren’t decisions we get to make this is decisions of people of power so is it really us? I feel like we say this every time someone comes out and says something different.
As long as the ccp is in charge China will always have an over population problem.
Will Covid “help” their demographic “problem”?
A broken clock is right twice a day.
For certain.. anytime anyone says that you know its full of bs
I think the the most shocking part of this Interview is when Peter told Joe “ well, let’s not oversell it …..” 😂😂
It made me think of the conversations in " Burn After Reading " between the CIA superior and his subordinate. Just running sh*t while being just a few steps away from being clueless.
Nor no serious investigation of Blackrock CEO Larry Fink regarding their $20 trillion scheme in ESG earnings.
Why is Blackrock allowed to be part of the Joe Biden administration?
so youve got cahoneys?
@@karlmoody4891 so let's not do that again. Although I have no idea what we did in the first place. or however that line went. lol so good. love that movie.
Zeihan was peddling the China collapse since 2010...back then he said it will happen by 2019.
Peter having Joe Rogan stressed out had to be the funniest parts of the podcast
Watch Peter Zeihan’s 1-2 hour long data-filled seminars. They would blow your mind.
@@dubletar7351 He's fantastic. He understands so many complex issues.
those deep breaths
😂😂😂😂
@@rh81454 has he predicted anything of significance sofar?
He certainly likes talking and he does so with conviction.. but that is hardly an indication of in-depth knowledge and an undertaking of complex interconnected systems.
When does he predict the current US system will collapse?
Joe gets scared by the weirdest things
“Men can’t have kids on their own” FACTS 😂
Men can’t have kids without a thunderstick
Interesting to revisit this video a year later, in March 2024. China's economic situation seems even more challenging than in 2023. Let's check back next year and see if the trajectory holds.
The way he delivers his points is like its already happened haha
🙄😄😄😂
Peter Zeihan has a very well rehearsed presentation that he has been delivering in generally the same format for well over a decade. His presentations are all over CZcams if you go looking for them. He generally says the same thing in most of them with only minor differences based on updated data. He's been doing this same basic presentation for a long time which is why he sounds so confident.
@@randyjones3050 Oh yes. You can find videos that where shot in 2013s. Quality is subpar but he's been at it for a while. His dates are more than a bit off but questioning the inevitability is hard, I found his videos in early 2016s.
I say this as a skeptic of projections that predict the collapse of entire nation states, given the available data just from the clear net China's overdependance on the world is glaringly clear. He has sone great insights. Read his work after Marshall's, so not a bad follow up.
Just say it with conviction and it must be true, ahaha. What a blowhard.
it's to make himself sound credible and act like he knows what he's talking about....in this clip he calls something undoubtedly after saying he has no data or info on it hahahaha
This whole podcast followed this process: Joe asks Peter a question ---- Peter provides a detailed analysis with a mostly negative outlook --- Joe: PPPPHHHEEEEWWWWWW
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"Detailed analysis"... lol Ukrainian casualties, gay demons, China's sex ratio, Putin is terminally ill, there's literally nothing to back these things up.
I would love to see his thoughts on the falling birth rates in the us
He said this 13 years ago too.
dudes confidence was amazing. Can wait to see him after 2030 proclaiming again the same stuff for selling his books.
reminds me on cashing in on all the bets about WWIII starting throughout the last decade...
As though the people would be dumb enough to fall for that. “Goes back and references Al Gores movie” 🤣
Do you think he's right on 50% of it or more or less?
Imagine if this all ages well, though. How cool would it be to lean back hands behind your head with big dic energy like, "I FUKN TRIED TO WARN YOU FOOLS"
@@Zack-jc9yb dude he predicted that Russia would begin invading neighbors way back in 2018. SO yea he's definitely right on some things AND @karimshebeika8010 guess what, if we do end up in a world war from escalation in Ukraine he will have been absolutely right in his prediction of WW3
Peter published an article in 2010 saying China would collapse in the next decade. fast forward to now, China is still here. Peter basically keeps predicting every decade until either it happens or he dies of old age still predicting.
Haha 😂 true. He’s full of baboon poop
Agreed it's always the same crap. Sure CN could follow the west but they have much more years in the tank. CN is the new empire and anglosaxons must lie to themselves to ignore these fact. They now try to make that silly military intervention in TW with regime change crap by 2027. What they aren't consider they could have lost their currency before that.
Fair, but timing is always hard. Think back to the 2008 financial crisis. Everyone likes to talk about Michael Burry and the others, but there were plenty of people who recognized the problems caused by the actions of the banks and the government's policies years and years before. Identifying structural problems doesn't mean you'll be able to time the exact moment everything falls apart.
Again it's fair to criticize him for trying to give a specific timeline; he probably should know better, but I do think you should evaluate his claims of the structural problems independent of his timeline.
China has existed for thousands of years. USA on the other hand is a newby compared to that.
Nope. It has collapsed. You as a westerner have no idead whats happening on the inside. The only thing you see is them fleeing by the thousands trying to get into USA.
What's happening now is the result of cowardliness of the Chinese people for letting the CCP taking over every espect of their lives and did nothing about it.
Wow this convo is wild
His confidence on these conclusions is absurd, hard to take him seriously
@@upwardspiral7441 China will die lol specific enough?
@@upwardspiral7441 sir, this is not Spotify this is a 14 min clip
He's an american geopolitical expert. It's his job to talk BS and lie about other countries to make them look bad in order to make USA look better in comparison. This guy lies the moment he opens his mouth.
@@upwardspiral7441 ??? It's literally a 14 minute video of ONE topic, wdym "be specific"? He was way too overconfident for the whole duration of the clip, probably the whole podcast too.
He literally works for the state department and his views match the MIC on EVERY issue.
I love how Joe is not pretentious and is genuinely interested in all those topics, that's why he is a great listener
He has said he only invites on people who interest him.
@@lulumoon6942 Yeah I was confused why this guy even mentioned it, like of course he is going to be interested, he invited the person on. He's not going to invite some one and be like you're boring why are you here.
@@taahasiddiqui1071 I raise you Neil deGrasse Tyson
Ya just love it huh?
Hey Matt, no one cares.
yeah inflation looks fine compared to contraction and the shcomp is actually not collapsing at all. so far as i can tell the housing market and real assets in semis havent gone anywhere. theyre perfectly comfortable conucting this counter trade war. the rmb is sinking, but the damage is being well controlled. i dont think were winning this one.
bitcoin has taken a serious blow...
This dude is so absolutely full of it, I cannot wait for this to age
He seems very confident in what he says. With people like this I wish Joe would say after half an hour: and now we bring in Mr. X to have a 3-way conversation, and look at it from another angle. I would be more confident about what he says if I heard some criticism first.
China is a joke and diversity is a strength. Their neighbor to the south is rising, the Indian race.
Educate yourself on the points that sound obtuse, you be the critic
We are all mixed. United by cultural identity.
Everyone should be treated equal. I’m in the US and some of the connections we have the proud boys etc whatever you want to call them are all dead meat. Make sure everything runs smooth.
Yep, would love to get Mr. Xi Jinping's thoughts on this too
Joe needs to get this guy and Mike Baker in studio so we can listen to them debate their views on China 😂
They both will say the same cia script
I think it's pretty clear this guy was an establishment tool. Nearly every single thing he said was the exact opposite of what most independent journalists are saying. He's trying to switch the narrative. I have to admit I was even buying it for a while until I remembered the beginning of the Podcast he said he was working for the government. Or with....somehow connected.
This what I want to know exactly once I think China's just going to dominate the world and take over the other side thinks it's not going to exist in 10 years it can't be both
@@RunningAdventures66 Good point. It's either a grave threat or going to be non-existent
@@Launchpad1892 it's somewhere in the middle and I think most of this is just Scare Tactics propaganda. I say that cuz if 99% of Joe Rogan's podcast it's either DMT or trying to scare the s*** out of you
To sum up Peter Z ; everybody is in trouble , we’ll be ok
Sounds like this guy is projecting his country's future.
You're not wrong but the US is in a much better place than China is. The US has the capacity to at the very least produce their own food and energy. China cannot.
He seems to be convinced of what he wants to happen.
Man, CM Punk really took a turn with this new career of his.
He was bullshitting in mma, so he decided to bullshit in geopolitics.
The Bot accounts in China are working overtime eh?
Was thinking same. Not quite the pipe b o m b I was thinking. Lol
Lol
No no, this is Aaron Rodgers' estranged relative.
Joe: when you say “going away” you don’t mean-
Peter: *they’ll die, Joe*
It's just a long sleep. Nap nap time.
malthusian
We're living a real RISK board game....... 🤷♂️🥀
What I want to know is if there’s a possibility for a civil war to start?
He's literally saying the polar opposite of everything we have heard about china for the last 5-10 yrs
cuz is provocative gets the pplz going.
Not really
@@papi-sauce lol
Because the people telling us China is an amazing rising power all had money invested either in China or in the military industrial complex to fight China. It's not hard.
The ADV guys were more accurate about Covid more than a year before the mainstream media because they read Chinese social media and news stories and just used basic common sense. The fact that people are still hedging their bets on whether or not it came from the lab is just as mindblowing as people still accepting Epstein committed suicide.
This is gonna happen for usa not China 🤣🤣🤣🤡
When China has only 10 years left, Joe seems really concerned while Peter seems beyond exited.
I mean I would be too, Russia or China or any major players in the world is a huge part of the world. It is going to have global impact not matter what happens
We should be excited.
If you see the collapse of Russia and chinas current regimes as anything other than a positive your insane. It’s the inevitable death of a socialist/communist philosophy that has proven to fail and has only lasted this long because of the extreme propping up of these nations by other more sustainable powers
@@xertz2502 Yeah but he said _exited._
Per AOC the world ends in 10 years...so theres that lol
That GDP growth says that they are expanding vastly compared to the west
Double or nothing but I’ll hold the money for us to keep it safe
I loved the ending of the podcast. Zeihan says, "I'm glad you enjoyed yourself" while Rogan looks completely beat down like he has the flu, from all the negative forecasts.
😭😭😭😂😂😂
How is China Falling Negative?
The episode is fucking awesome lol Joe's heavy breathing should get a guest spot next episode: 😲💨
Replacement theory is valid
@@rh81454 😂. Bet Rogan really wanted to steer the conversation towards elk meat and the relationship between Amanita muscaria mushrooms and Santa Claus.
10 years is a really good period of time for “predictions”.. it’s far enough away to avoid being held accountable, and yet soon enough to create a sense of urgency to go out and buy this guys books and get him paid airtime, and all he has to do is sound confident.
I give him 10/10 for hustle ability. Probably would be decent at selling used cars as well.
Well said
Haha well said. AI production in 10 years will change the game. Also China in 2022 leads in AI papers and parents, and is developing technology. People have been shitting on their innovation for so long they can’t change that mental model. There’s so many software developers in China it’s crazy.
Exactly.
Peter Zeihan in 2014, I would say he was 90% right... czcams.com/video/MIdUSqsz0Io/video.html
Yup he will find suckers for his book if he is not paid for this already