According to Sutherland's theory, it appears prison incarceration is a flawed part of the criminal justice system. If Robin has learnt to adopt criminal behavior, sending him to prison without guidance could consolidate his learning as he would be surrounded by guards who possibly antagonize prisoners, and cellmates who express a similar criminal ideology. These factors in prison would simply consolidate Robin's "knowledge" on crime instead of introducing him to an alternative ideology that teaches him the problems with crime so he could experience proper rehabilitation.
Interesting. What alternative ideology would you introduce so that Robin "could experience proper rehabilitation?" And what is your definition of "rehabilitation?"
Thats why many european prisons work very differently. Being friends with guards is ok and you get lots of job opportunities and can study/college for zero costs. You get to leave prison a lot, too, and work in RL and help. Very low reoffending rate, especially in norway were prisons are like summer camps. So you have to decide whats more important to you: punish people and get the feeling of having revenge or try to change them to be good members of society and punish them a lot less. Btw really dangerous individuals get evaluated by extensive psychological care anyways and can be locked up longer if they show no signs of getting better. Btw we have no official register for criminals or sexual offenders where people can be looked up. (Only police and work under certain circumstances can)
Absolutely correct, the criminal justice system is not there to be used as a rehabilitation tool, from what I have experienced and witnessed it is totally formed and controlled by narcissistic psychopaths, well in Australia in the state of Victoria it is like that as I can’t truly comment else where because I’ve only had experience of being incarcerated in Victoria. There mostly all ran to make money and the people that have made the wrong choices to end up there (the criminal) are treated like an object! They are shammed and belittled even before they have been to on trial, I couldn’t begin to think on how to have a perfect disciplinary system but the system thats there now including the court system is totally flawed and corrupted, so in my own personal experience it’s basically an apprenticeship or schooling for the criminal on how to do certain things better and also to become better connected with other like minded people which then opens up a bigger network, there is no such thing as rehabilitation from being in prison and once again this is just my experience and opinion, also I don’t mean any disrespect to anyone else that’s commenting or that may have different opinions or experiences.
That means: police had caught you because you failed at your ciminal activity, now they gonna send you into crime school so people who were caught could teach you how you do things better
They profit from big social problems. For instance, they want drugs to be illegal, so violence goes up, so they can seize more taxes and power from people who think politicians will help. Drug sealers bribe politicians, judges and police.
Breaking the speed limit is criminal behaviour, as is jay walking and stealing the hotel slippers . We all do it but do we all associate with criminals?
I’ll share my opinion. Jails should not be viewed as punishment for criminals, but as a rehabilitation place for criminals to be separated from society until their mental health improves, and they’re ready to function within society. I honestly believe more artwork on the walls, and more sunlight and fresh air would go a long way in jails.
This, coming from an old guy, is only partially true. Some of it untrue. People have chemical reward systems that reward co-operative behaviours and cheating, some people are weighted very heavily towards cheating. The learning part would not influence some people at all.
This truly is an over-simplification of the issue. The assertion in the video is that crime is committed for the sake of crime, which is circular reasoning. There was no mention of the impact of material access on human need for survival. With talk of the "ordinary folks," I have to wonder if there will be a video on the "non-ordinary folks," who just ARE because they ARE, because they exist, because.
I liked the first sketch. A lady leaning against a wall, while the other is holding a book with a cross on it. It made me seriously wonder who of the two is the criminal, or the potential criminal. Too funny.
i was just one second ahead of the vid thinking how this compares to standard education systems and questioning judicial law re: jail & crime i feel proud
The problem with laws is that It's easier to prohibit something rather than make it legal with regulations If people do something and the government prohibits it rather than legislating it, then people will still do that thing no matter what Two big examples which both are related to bikes are enduro and the tuning of 49cc bikes
It's not just young offenders, it's first time offenders or lesser offenders. Within prison they have little option other than mixing with repeat and more serious offenders whom may contaminate/influence them.
@@ThePMcDonald and ppl dont do any interaction through social media? listen before you post … and those who have a bad influence from where they learned this in first place.. alot of tv shows justify bad behaviour for ppl who got emotional scars and promote bad behaviour like to heal those things .. and promote toxic relationships as something sexy and desirable…
@@waad6027 Just more TROLL BS -- just like when GUNS are not part of the problem of mass shootings, but video games, mental health (which is not treated with alacrity), music, etc., etc., etc. -- you don't even want to identify yourself, which is EVEN MORE behavior of a TROLL
Speaking as someone who went to jail because of mental health issues that have since been addressed, the notion that any prisoner is rehabilitated or receives adequate mental health services in jail is laughable. Our criminal justice system needs to change significantly.
Ah, yes, Edwin Sutherland, who infamously claimed “financial cost of white-collar crime is probably several times as great as the financial cost of all the crimes which are customarily regarded as the ‘crime problem’” and called out examples like Ivar Kreuger and his Ponzi scheme - “Public enemies numbered one to six secured $130,000 by burglary and robbery in 1938,” Sutherland observed,“ while the sum stolen by Krueger [sic] is estimated at $250,000,000, or nearly two thousand times as much” - In addition to the "social cost" - "White-collar crimes violate trust and therefore create mistrust, which lowers social morale and produces social disorganization on a large scale [...] other crimes produce relatively little effect on social institutions or social organization." - Is really going to assert that the young boy is being told they are robbing from the rich to give to the poor and that is the real problem. Try again, and this time use some unbiased images to go with your "research"
@@jamesross8410 okay, clarity is needed here, this is a remark against the visual presentation and cherry picking of the knowledge in the video, not Sutherland's ideas on white-collar crime. The presentation does not present white-collar crime, it shows an individual who is convinced to engage in petty theft and is then arrested.
How about creating a fair society where regular people never feel the need to do crime so we can focus on actual psycho criminals? “Good laws, bad laws” sure buddy that’s definitely not a thing
I saw that first image, and it shows a great deal of bias here. I thought that the person holding the bible fell into the wrong crowd, because they did. Could be MY bias showing, but it also could be YOUR bias showing.
The biggest things we can do right now to reduce crime: 1) Resume prosecuting people for theft and shoplifting and public defecation in urban areas. 2) End the failed war on drugs. Just as alcohol prohibition created the gangsters of the 1920's, drug prohibition has created the gang crime of today. Legalizing it won't end the addiction, but it will dramatically reduce urban violence and murder. Legalizing it will reduce the disincentive for addicts to seek help, and will remove a lot of the profit motive from street dealers who push the drugs.
You still have a choice, even if you are around criminals. Criminals have a certain set of ethics. You can choose of you align to them, or reject them.
we all should be taught law in schools. as the government uses what are called Acts! Acts are not law. there has to be another person involved for it to become law. Acts are your human rights taken away
This leads to a logical dead end. Who was the first criminal? You must go back ad infinitum through the generations. Instead, recognise that it is a product of material conditions, not of association.
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According to Sutherland's theory, it appears prison incarceration is a flawed part of the criminal justice system. If Robin has learnt to adopt criminal behavior, sending him to prison without guidance could consolidate his learning as he would be surrounded by guards who possibly antagonize prisoners, and cellmates who express a similar criminal ideology. These factors in prison would simply consolidate Robin's "knowledge" on crime instead of introducing him to an alternative ideology that teaches him the problems with crime so he could experience proper rehabilitation.
Interesting. What alternative ideology would you introduce so that Robin "could experience proper rehabilitation?" And what is your definition of "rehabilitation?"
Thats why many european prisons work very differently. Being friends with guards is ok and you get lots of job opportunities and can study/college for zero costs. You get to leave prison a lot, too, and work in RL and help. Very low reoffending rate, especially in norway were prisons are like summer camps. So you have to decide whats more important to you: punish people and get the feeling of having revenge or try to change them to be good members of society and punish them a lot less. Btw really dangerous individuals get evaluated by extensive psychological care anyways and can be locked up longer if they show no signs of getting better.
Btw we have no official register for criminals or sexual offenders where people can be looked up. (Only police and work under certain circumstances can)
Hannibal Lecter would like to know your address.
Absolutely correct, the criminal justice system is not there to be used as a rehabilitation tool, from what I have experienced and witnessed it is totally formed and controlled by narcissistic psychopaths, well in Australia in the state of Victoria it is like that as I can’t truly comment else where because I’ve only had experience of being incarcerated in Victoria. There mostly all ran to make money and the people that have made the wrong choices to end up there (the criminal) are treated like an object! They are shammed and belittled even before they have been to on trial, I couldn’t begin to think on how to have a perfect disciplinary system but the system thats there now including the court system is totally flawed and corrupted, so in my own personal experience it’s basically an apprenticeship or schooling for the criminal on how to do certain things better and also to become better connected with other like minded people which then opens up a bigger network, there is no such thing as rehabilitation from being in prison and once again this is just my experience and opinion, also I don’t mean any disrespect to anyone else that’s commenting or that may have different opinions or experiences.
That means: police had caught you because you failed at your ciminal activity, now they gonna send you into crime school so people who were caught could teach you how you do things better
How do politicans fall into this scheme?
They embezzle tons of money to their connections
They learn from their friends and seniors
@@grapeshott Ain't that the truth!
They profit from big social problems. For instance, they want drugs to be illegal, so violence goes up, so they can seize more taxes and power from people who think politicians will help. Drug sealers bribe politicians, judges and police.
They tend to fall in love with money.
Breaking the speed limit is criminal behaviour, as is jay walking and stealing the hotel slippers . We all do it but do we all associate with criminals?
I’ll share my opinion. Jails should not be viewed as punishment for criminals, but as a rehabilitation place for criminals to be separated from society until their mental health improves, and they’re ready to function within society. I honestly believe more artwork on the walls, and more sunlight and fresh air would go a long way in jails.
This, coming from an old guy, is only partially true. Some of it untrue. People have chemical reward systems that reward co-operative behaviours and cheating, some people are weighted very heavily towards cheating. The learning part would not influence some people at all.
This truly is an over-simplification of the issue. The assertion in the video is that crime is committed for the sake of crime, which is circular reasoning. There was no mention of the impact of material access on human need for survival.
With talk of the "ordinary folks," I have to wonder if there will be a video on the "non-ordinary folks," who just ARE because they ARE, because they exist, because.
I know. It's only someone's opinion though, not to be taken as ultimate truth as many mistake it to be.
I liked the first sketch. A lady leaning against a wall, while the other is holding a book with a cross on it.
It made me seriously wonder who of the two is the criminal, or the potential criminal.
Too funny.
True
Clearly the promiscuous dresses woman
who influenced who, negatively at the end of the day? Common sense is obvious, we just choose to be blind
i was just one second ahead of the vid thinking how this compares to standard education systems and questioning judicial law re: jail & crime
i feel proud
The problem with laws is that It's easier to prohibit something rather than make it legal with regulations
If people do something and the government prohibits it rather than legislating it, then people will still do that thing no matter what
Two big examples which both are related to bikes are enduro and the tuning of 49cc bikes
Empathy
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Education
Compassion
Social safety nets and services
It's not just young offenders, it's first time offenders or lesser offenders. Within prison they have little option other than mixing with repeat and more serious offenders whom may contaminate/influence them.
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tv shows , songs, social media have a HUGE affect on this..
1:05 -- Sutherland found OTHERWISE ... please peddle your TROLL disinformation elsewhere.
@@ThePMcDonald and ppl dont do any interaction through social media? listen before you post … and those who have a bad influence from where they learned this in first place.. alot of tv shows justify bad behaviour for ppl who got emotional scars and promote bad behaviour like to heal those things .. and promote toxic relationships as something sexy and desirable…
@@waad6027 I do agree with the part of toxic relationships.
@@waad6027 Just more TROLL BS -- just like when GUNS are not part of the problem of mass shootings, but video games, mental health (which is not treated with alacrity), music, etc., etc., etc. -- you don't even want to identify yourself, which is EVEN MORE behavior of a TROLL
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Speaking as someone who went to jail because of mental health issues that have since been addressed, the notion that any prisoner is rehabilitated or receives adequate mental health services in jail is laughable. Our criminal justice system needs to change significantly.
Yes
Yep 😅
To my mind, jail can make everything worse
Ah, yes, Edwin Sutherland, who infamously claimed “financial cost of white-collar crime is probably several times as great as the financial cost of all the crimes which are customarily regarded as the ‘crime problem’” and called out examples like Ivar Kreuger and his Ponzi scheme
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“Public enemies numbered one to six secured $130,000 by burglary and robbery in 1938,” Sutherland observed,“ while the sum stolen by Krueger [sic] is estimated at $250,000,000, or nearly two thousand times as much”
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In addition to the "social cost"
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"White-collar crimes violate trust and therefore create mistrust, which lowers social morale and produces social disorganization on a large scale [...] other crimes produce relatively little effect on social institutions or social organization."
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Is really going to assert that the young boy is being told they are robbing from the rich to give to the poor and that is the real problem.
Try again, and this time use some unbiased images to go with your "research"
Thanks, I couldn't have said better!
@edwardsjcblues -- so you believe that white-collar crime is NOT as damaging to society?!?
@@ThePMcDonald quite the opposite, please re-read and ask for clarity if needed.
@@ThePMcDonald I think he's inferring that Ponzi and Kreuger did not fit Sutherland's theory.
@@jamesross8410 okay, clarity is needed here, this is a remark against the visual presentation and cherry picking of the knowledge in the video, not Sutherland's ideas on white-collar crime.
The presentation does not present white-collar crime, it shows an individual who is convinced to engage in petty theft and is then arrested.
You ever heard of crimes of desperation?
If you steal from someone, you should be prosecuted regardless of your motivation.
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How about creating a fair society where regular people never feel the need to do crime so we can focus on actual psycho criminals?
“Good laws, bad laws” sure buddy that’s definitely not a thing
So guilt by association?
No, learning by association.
I saw that first image, and it shows a great deal of bias here. I thought that the person holding the bible fell into the wrong crowd, because they did.
Could be MY bias showing, but it also could be YOUR bias showing.
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The biggest things we can do right now to reduce crime:
1) Resume prosecuting people for theft and shoplifting and public defecation in urban areas.
2) End the failed war on drugs. Just as alcohol prohibition created the gangsters of the 1920's, drug prohibition has created the gang crime of today. Legalizing it won't end the addiction, but it will dramatically reduce urban violence and murder. Legalizing it will reduce the disincentive for addicts to seek help, and will remove a lot of the profit motive from street dealers who push the drugs.
You still have a choice, even if you are around criminals. Criminals have a certain set of ethics.
You can choose of you align to them, or reject them.
You don't
Yes, you do. We all have free will.
@@jer103 but subconsciously we are still traped and about free will, what if you don't know the what is bad?
@@junkbo_x You have intuition of what feels good, and feels bad. If you are harming, or taking advantage of others, some will feel that.
@@jer103 which is influenced by social factors.
First mistake is that you assume religious people are good.
we all should be taught law in schools. as the government uses what are called Acts! Acts are not law. there has to be another person involved for it to become law. Acts are your human rights taken away
This leads to a logical dead end. Who was the first criminal? You must go back ad infinitum through the generations. Instead, recognise that it is a product of material conditions, not of association.
Yes but have you considered the bad bitch he fumbled by getting into crime?
How come the bad women as so hot? :)
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"Criminals" are 2nd and 3rd class citizens.
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@Jason Shoots actually I don't disagree.
It can be reversed by hanging 😅