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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2022
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Mainly what will happen with any sleeping pad is you put essentially warmer air into it during the afternoon hours and as the temps drop the air molecules become tighter and give you that "deflated" pad you're speaking of. The material is so thin it stretches out but as temps drop, the material "scrunches" back together like elastane. The thicker the material, the less it stretches out, the more compact the air is, leaving you feeling that it hasn't deflated at all. Hope this helps.
I know this is a phenomenon. But I think the Uberlite genuinely has a deflation problem. I inflated it in my living room (with a pump bag), and let it sit with a weighted cardboard box on). After a few hours the cardboard box was touching the floor. Re inflated it, happened again. Sent the product back for warranty, they sent me a new one, same thing happened.
I'm currently trying to fight them to give me a refund but they don't seem to want to.
The air-loss issue could also be the air inside the pad taking up less volume as it cools down, especially if you're using direct breath to inflate it. That's definitely affected a lot of pads I've had in the past, and seemed to be more of a problem with less well insulated ones.
Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that you work for the New England Patriots.....you ever met Tom Brady?
@@nedanother9382 😂 reference took me a while.
Nah, never met him. More of an Old England kind of bloke tbh.
I don’t understand why people inflate with their lungs. 🤦♂️
My UberLite didn’t leak originally. Then there was an abrasion mark on the UberLite and it started to leak. Not a hole or a puncture but just an abrasion where the air would slowly permeate throughout the night. Pad would be firm when I go to sleep and flat when I wake up the following morning. Fixed the problem on trail itself with some repair stickers for sleeping pads over the abrasion area. I now sleep with the Gossamer Gear thin pad between the UberLite and the tent floor for fear of another abrasion or puncture.
Finishing up a 2200 mile Thru hike with a neo air. The crinkle sound goes away after about 15 nights.
I just tested my x-therm max last night. It’s more comfortable than my bed! I couldn’t believe it. I’ve always hated sleeping on air mattresses. This is my first backpacking air pad, so I have nothing to compare it to though.
I love mine and have never experienced any problem with it. My only gripes are that it is noisy and takes quite a lot of breaths (for me) to blow up. HIKING NERD has done a very extensive and technical stress test on it: literally putting the pad in a river and scraping it against rocks etc. It holds up surprisingly well and seems more durable than you might think
Shout out to hiking nerd
My Uberlite doesn't leak NOW but came from the store with a defect which was repaired. Trick will be to try and put pressure on the pad whilst it's in the bath to see where it's failing - mine wouldn't leak until I sat on it. My go to is the Nemo Tensor Insulated though. Great weight vs insulation and comfort. Also reasonably priced compared to my Uberlite!
It's insane to have your sleep interrupted multiple times a night. Your body won't recover nearly as well as your REM phase is too short or absent even.
The live Q&A sounds like a really cool event. And, it will be on a perfect day with the Buckeyes playing at home that evening.
For a similar price range I decided to go with the S2S Ether Light XT (non-insulated)over the Uberlite for all the reasons you listed. Just to concerning that the material is that thin and needs to be blown up. I haven't had much luck with horizontal baffles either. Sweet vid 👍
Same here. Best choice ever
Dude. That wide pad looks huge next to you. I came to the (wide, duh) xlite after 3.5” BA pads and the sea to summit etherlight 4” pad. It’s so awesome and never loses air. I’m 6’3, 200lbs and am a side sleeper. My favorite pad ever.
I had the first uberlite before the new valve lock. It was a wide long, I cut a few of the baffles off the bottom. Used it on the AT for a few month from PA to Me, and never had any problems. Never lost air on me while sleeping on it in over a thousand miles of use. I did pair it with a gg thin foam torso length because I was worried about popping it.
Got the new wide regular length now with the new valve but haven't tried it yet.
How do you go about cutting baffles off of an inflatable sleeping pad?
Sometimes I'm afraid while using it (see below), but I love my uberlite regular wide.
Pro
1) Super comfy: the wide size is a game changer and the orizontal baffles are the most comfortable for me.
2) weight and package size.
Cons
1) "Deflate": I never touched the ground and I never had to inflate during the night, but it slowly deflate, especially if inflated after sundown.This was a problem just because I was scared I've punctured it :´) Happy to see it's "normal" even if I find this to be a very shame to thermarest!!!
2) It's thin: this actually bother/scary me just when I need to press on the pad to connect the pump sack. However you must pay attention in general with the uberlite.
Others:
I use the pump sack because if you inflate by mouth you can see water droplets inside the pad. You can easily get rid of them by inflating and deflating a couple of times in a sunny day.
Slept on Uberlite ~10 nights. I pair it with the 1/8 inch foam pad. No issue w losing air so far.
You have to be really careful with the 1/8" pad and sleeping pads. When I roll mine up I see it constantly picks up pine needles....they break off flat and create a perfect popping point
@@nedanother9382 Interesting. I'll keep an eye out for that. Thanks!
In the last two years I've had 10 Uberlites (warranty,warranty,warranty). I also have three xliteS. several Uberlites leaked right out of the box, but most of the failures have been baffle delamination where it poofs up. That being said I have had one that made it 700 miles and the most recent did 2000 miles and still held air even after several baffles let loose. Each of my first two xlites thru hiked the pct Twice with only a couple pinhole repairs and one I popped floating down a river drunk, and the other is fine, but today it had a baffle pop too so it happens eventually even with the xlites. The noisiness of the xlite is a temporary thing as the noise diminishes significantly after about 50 nights, and completely disappears after 75 nights. I find the Uberlite to be very quiet and actually softer and more comfortable than the xlite. The Uberlites definitely do not leak thru the material as I have had several that hold air consistently, even when tested for a week, blown up tight, with a weight on them, so any leakage is coming from somewhere else. Now living the Uberlite lifestyle isn't for everyone, just like thru hiking isnt.. but I'm a super minimalist Ultralight kinda guy that figures a little suffering in every one of my systems to maintain that fast, light, high mile existence as I'm at it half the year, every year, so the Uberlite works for me. I've also had an Uberlite wide and while I agree the extra space is luxurious.. I'm simply not willing to carry the extra weight and I side sleep alot so the arm thing is somewhate irrelevant. YMMV
My Uber lite holds air just fine, but i have the regular version not the wide. Maybe its a wide issue
I gave up on the those 2 ultra light pads a long time go, for all of the reasons you stated. Now, I only use Ul Exped pads. Never a issue, ever!
Thanks for doing this comparison. I believe I’ll get the uberlite paired with the GG 1/8th inch roll. I need to drop some weight. I have the Xtherm for winter camping and the noise didn’t bother me bc I needed the warmth. My favorite is my Nemo Tensor insulated 25 inch, though. Like you said, it’s the best when I don’t care about weight.
Exactly what you said. Mine does not hold air. I deal with it during the summer and long hikes because of the weight. I guess if it bothered me enough, I'd stop taking it. Still, it does lose air and I need to put a few puffs back into it right before I go to sleep.
I'm looking forward to trying out the 2023 NXT models that are supposed to be 5x quieter and more "stable". Will have a hard time deciding between regular and wide though.
Regular if you sleep like a mummy, wide if like a human.
Yes cheers! Loved your video. I hate 20" wide mats too. You really read my mind on this subject.
Hi, first of all you had a thumbs up at beer!! Secondly and I may be late to the party, I have the uberlite short and have used it quite a lot and not had to inflate overnight and I'm the unluckiest person in the world so if there could be an issue I would have it. Warmth wise ive not had a problem with being cold and have used it down to 5 degrees centigrade. Thanks for a cracking review. Cheers bud.
XLite women’s is my go to. Yeah, the arm thing needs adapting to. I’ve had the super slow leak issue on my XTherm and Regular XLite…both replaced under warranty and now I have pads that don’t leak. I keep eyeing the Uberlight…not bit the bullet yet.
I'm not so sure the Uberlite is one to get. I got a taste this past weekend of just how insulated these pads are. When mine was leaking all night (no more than an hour to flat) and I got to get a taste of the cold ground....I don't think I want an uninsulated pad.
soooo, you buy a 250 dollar sleeping pad and you dont mind waking up in the night cause it loses air and you have to blow it up again? i mean you know whats even lighter then the uberlight? just laying on the ground and the best part is that its free ;)
i think that a 250 dollar pad should stay solid.... i mean its the same as that you buy a ferrari and its a great car cause the engine sometimes doesnt work but it saves a ton of gas!
I switched to the Nemo Tensor Insulated from the Thermarest Xlite and have not looked back. In fact, I got another Nemo, the Tensor Alpine for winter use.
I love My uberlite. I slept outside All vinter last year on it, just having som heatreflective material on the top and not really protecting it fra the ground. It did not loose air. But it did loose air this summer. And there is No holes in it to use My tear aid repare Kit at. Cant be the difference in temperature from Day to night either. One time i went to "bed" at 2 am. Think it might be the winglock that looses air and Will deliver it back to the store, to get a New winglock installed.
Ill be honest, I have the ultimate crinkly pad, aka the xtherm, and it doesnt bother me even in the slightest... I'd be way to worried about the uberlite though, its so thin, I do love my Nemo Tensor
I'll stick with my 25" XLite. Wish I would of got the 25" from the start.
I have to say I love my uberlite!! It does make a fair bit of noise if you move a lot and you’re right in the fact that it doesn’t hold air super well. I get through a whole night without an issue though. I’m from Australia and don’t have the coldest nights.
It's air down under ...it pushes in rather than out right? Like the toilet water goes in the other direction?
My problem with the Uber light is that it popped and I could not fix and got an xlight and have now had for numerous trips and 2 years and fine. Didn’t think I liked at first, but if I don’t inflate fully I’m good.
You’re a cool down to earth dude ! If I ever meet you in person I have to buy you a beer 🍻✌🏻
I just got back from my CT hike like I commented on in the previous video. I have had the uberlite for about three years now and not once have I had to put more air in it. It also got down in the 30's every night on the CT. But no issues at all with deflation. I do have the original valve on mine so maybe that's a possible issue???? I'm here in cbus but I don't think I can make it this Saturday. been away from the fam for two weeks and you know, priorities! I will stop in there sometime though. I work right downtown and walk by there all the time on lunch walks.
I bought an uberlite and I liked it alot but living in Northern Canada the cold air just deflates it instantly at night
I'll raise a beer to that! Love my wide X-lite... When I'm not in a hammock!!
My original Uberlite lost air overnight with no detectable holes as well. Returned it. Grabbed the same first gen Uberlite short because it is stuoid light and small. Holds aire like a free-diver! Never loses air.
My theory is just quality control issues w the Uberlite. But we see that w all pads. 🤔🤷♂️
Had my Uberlite about 18 months now and have close to 45 nights on it. No air leakage ever. Check where yours was made, mine was made in Ireland. Maybe different batches made in different factories have QC issues?
My uberlite holds air. Have two of them, both hold air, but I use them in a hammock, if that makes a difference.
"Left at beer ..." LMAO Cheers!
Dang...I wish I could be there for the meet and Q&A. I need to be in Cleveland for wedding stuff, my daughter is getting married in October. My wife and I are heading to Atwood this weekend to camp and will be at Hoodletown, 5 Barrel and Lockport on Thursday this week, 9/1/22. We're doing the Ohio on Tap tour. I'm more than happy to buy you a couple of rounds if I see you there. You've saved me a ton of money and headache. It's the least I can do. Thanks -dave
Hey throw me an email. bryce.newbold@gmail.com
Damn! I'll be in MN canoeing the BWCA in the 17th! I'll have a drink for you anyway!
I reduce a lot of nois by putting a towel between the pad and the groundsheet. That dampens the noise a lot.
Could the pad be loosing air at night because air expands when warm and condenses when cold. Your breath is much warmer than the air at night so as the air in the pad cools down it seems like it's loosing air. Try one of the electric air pumps maybe that will help.
Klymit Insulated Static V Luxe is great for winter camping,.....great R value and very comfy, and it comes in at 16 ounces.
The website has them listed at 32 oz. That’s pretty hefty.
@@bennifer96 you are correct, I don't know how to ready, I am still sounding the words out.
I'm a big fan of the xLite only because I feel like it is a little more durable. I'm hard on gear! LOL. I don't mind the 20 pad either... my arm do hang over the edge sometimes but for whatever reason.. I'm find with it. I use the women's version which has a higher r value and is lighter than the normal xlite.
having to blow it back up and being noisy at that price is a deal breaker, ill stay with static v
Looked at beer. Opened one. Stayed and enjoyed your video.
I had uberlite small for a week and it went to bubblemode😂 got half the panels ripped inside and end of story. Thermarest said it is misused, so not for hiking.🎉
Bacon & Backpacking is another Ohioan backpacker on YT.
Neo Air Xlite Womens or Xlite Short coupled with my backpack.
Cracking a Kilt Lifter (Scottish Style Amber Ale 6%) from 4 Peaks Brewery in AZ just because of the comment you mentioned, stats included because why not.
I feel the material stretches under pressure .. It never has the same inflation in the morning as it did in the night .. now for my standard z-lite pad .. it is the same .. it has less pressure in the morning as it started int he night .. the only thing I could say are equal between them is the nozzle. There is something inherently wrong with the nozzle .. I had the original nozzle which just always leaked and made them switch to their newer nozzle .. but I think all they fixed was that the air still comes out like the poorer old one, just not as fast .. that's the problem in my opinion .. uberlite small (for my ultra-light mistake too small but still same leaking issue) .. 3 versions of the Uberlite standard .. the original nozzle .. and 2 newer ones .. ALL of them leak .. the original one is just impossible .. and the z-lite of course leaks the same as the uberlites
I cannot even fathom spending $250 on a pad that loses air in the middle of the night LOL
Yeah, I have a Nemo Tensor
My baffles exploded 2 weeks of using mine on the cdt last year. :/
Someone needs to develop arm pads or something to support your arms to make up for the 20" wide sleeping pads being narrow. Maybe make wing pads that strap on to your sleeping pad making it wide where your arms fall off the sides.
I’m not switching from the xlite to the uberlite because I’ve heard of so many issues with the uberlite holding air. 🦑
Cheers!
I don't backpack anymore but your advice is top shelf. I'm going to pass it on to my nephews, who are gearing up for the Appalachian Trail starting next spring. Rock on and lol for cracking that beer in response to the virtue signaling cancel culture twit! Cheers.
Attention! While testing your pad in the bath tub you did NOT NEARLY have the same air pressure that is resulting by lying on the pad!
Huh? A pad you need to blow up in the middle of the night is not OK in my book.
Blames the pad because it's too thick and his arms fall off because he didn't get the wide one. Duh?. And waking up each night to reinflate it is not a deal breaker? Wow.
When light weight contributes to unreliability, the weight savings are not worth the extra money. Flimsy fabric is not an asset, especially if its supposed to hold air under pressure.
Btw: Bicycle tires constantly lose pressure due to the thinness and resultant porosity of the innertubes. Regular and frequent inflation are required for function and minimizing of damage to tire, tube, and rim. Forty years in the industry, #1 preventable cause for flat bicycle tires. Free info...
Bryce f*ck the haters who cares drink em if you got em hahaha 😆✊️🔥✌️💚
Bro… I love your ultra light set up, but blowing a pad up in the middle of the night, maaaaan…
Love you, but I just don’t know brother. Nemo Tensor as an option? Ok. Good call. Hell, even Tayson wavers on his own pads and I think they are pretty legit.
I feel you, but… gosh I… I just don’t know when it comes to that blow up in the middle of the night thing. I give you huge kudos though, because you DON’T mind it. And that makes you better than, I think, a lot of us (at least me).
I’m just a couple of hours west of you in Indy and pack a big… Big Agnes Q-Core. It’s fine. Their R rating isn’t as precise as they say, but that big pad is SO comfy, but not ultra light.
I might swing by Columbus bro. First time meeting another hiker. That would be very cool. And beer❤️
Wow meeting my hero ,that's cool 😏
The biggest problem is they require a tent and not a hammock. 😀
I have the Uber and it doesn’t lose air. You might have a dud
Why on earth would you buy this thing if it leaks??
I wasn’t going too, but that dumbass comment compelled me to fetch a high gravity beer from fridge. Prost my friend!
8 ounces is only 225 grams
So many sales, never buy gear at full price.
I always wake up several times in a night - the fact that once or twice I have to puff a couple breaths into my uberlight is no big deal… And yes, I’ve come to the same conclusion that it has to be the thickness of the material simply oozing air over time.
👍👍👍
If the Uberlite can’t hold air, that’s a non-starter. Sorry Thermarest.
Comfortability? Come on....
Easy Karen. Just a word.
@@BryceNewbold there's this great word to say how comfortable something is. It's, ah shucks, I think, com-for-table or something. The other one ain't a word 🤷
@@samueldavidson7956 comfortability is a word. "Aint' ain't a word
Yeah. 250 bucks for a pad that you have to blow up in the middle night?
Ill pass
Right at the beer. Double dislike smash. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Uberlite SUCKS!
Any pad that can't hold air puts you on the ground, the great heat sink of mother earth. That means you can actually freeze in a S. Florida summer if you end up on the ground. I've owned both these pads for travel (not even outdoor use), and I've had problems with both just testing them out at home! One I had to send back to Cascade to repair a leak at the valve. The Uberlite got a hole the *first *time I tired to use it indoors. I have no idea how. I probably just looked at it funny. Even after patching the hole with a bit of Tenacious, I had the damn thing deflate on me overnight. What good is that? I'm packing 11oz for something that just doesn't work. Rubbish gear IMO.
I'm not trusting my precocious sleep and comfort to these pieces of tissue paper. If I'm going to end up on the ground anyway, I'll just leave the ThermARest at home and sleep solely on my Gossamer pad, saving that 11oz, and pack more snacks instead.
I'm done with this crappy UL gear with a high probability of punctures, especially this Uber expensive stuff. I'm better offing building a bit more stamina to hike an extra 400g for something that will hold up than ending up on the ground.