VW / Audi 1.8t 20v 5-600HP Engine build On a Budget
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Engines -
Early vs Late -
058 - Early
20mm wrist pins on pistons,
Large port head/intake manifold - Good for big turbos and 500+HP setups
Has Oil pump shaft
06A - Late
19MM wrist pins
Small port head/intake -
BLOCK
closed deck vs
1000-1200chp
Rods -
Factory rods - 350-400ctq
torque spike dependent
Small spikey turbo vs large turbo
NOTE: If you have 058 engine with the oil pump shaft gear will interfere with H beam rods.
Need clearancing on gear balance shaft.
Maxspeedingrods $275
Eagle rods - $375
Scat rods $395
IE Rods - $475
700HP
IE Tuscan Rods - $685
+1000hp
Bearings
OE bearings are good for about 8200rpm and 600chp.
Coated bearings can help premature wear if the car sees a lot of track use with sustained G loads.
Standard OE Style - $110
034 coated $85+$135
IE "Race" style (I suspect these are 034's with markup)- $95+$175
Valves
Intake valves - Stainless from factory
Upgrade only when increasing valve size.
1000hp
Exhaust valves -
Sodium filled - Heat and miles
Replace when you can
400CHP if you have to put a number at it.
Ferrea Iconel valves - $265
Supertech nitrite coated Stainless - $165
Valvesprings and retainers
Not a HP issue, rather a RPM issue.
Stock springs will float ~ 7800
Dont go over 7500 for safety.
Supertech - $505
IE Springs - $650
Ferrea - $900
Lifters
Float mid 9k's so not an issue for us mere mortals
Flat tappet - Replace when replacing cams with OEM new as the cams need to wear in with the lifters
Headgasket
OE -style Good for 600hp
$25 Elring brand is a good gasket.
$95 Or Audi branded.
Headbolts
OE bolts are one time stretch bolts. Good for 5-600HP.
OE Bolts - $20 Febi
ARP - $145 - Threaded nut is considerably more
Pistons
OE 19MM - 550HP under low heat loads.
Longevity is concern.
OE 20mm ~600hp
Change pistons if block issues causing overbore. Or if power is over 500HP on regular/sustained use.
Wiseco stroker/big bore 83mm - $650
IE Race spec w/ coated pistons - $1200
Crank
OE crank good for 1000hp
Use stroker 2.0 FSI or AEG crank w/ 20mm rods
Crank Pulley dampner
8k RPMS and 500hp
Excess vibrations cause premature wear.
FLuidamper
Balance engine
Fluidamper - $385
Balance engine - $200
Timing equipment
Over 8k or high loads, change to manual tensioner
Factory tensioner not great.
Manual kit from IE - $150
Pistons
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Rods
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Bearings
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Valvesprings
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Valves
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Timing Belt Tensioner - Manual 058
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Timing Belt Tensioner - 06A
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Fluidamper - 06A
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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:26 Blocks
2:08 Rods
5:57 Bearings
7:27 Crankshaft
8:55 Pistons
11:36 Valves
13:27 Valvesprings
14:16 Lifters
15:04 Headgasket
15:31 Headbolts
16:42 Timing Tensioner
17:12 HP Gains
23:12 Final Thoughts - Auta a dopravní prostředky
CLARIFICATIONS!! READ THIS AFTER WATCHING!
First off thanks for watching guys! With something like this its easy to overgeneralize, forget something, or get details wrong.
1. First part of the video about 06A vs 058 being large/small port with 19/20mm pins was a massive over-generalization. Link below for actual facts on the 43 different engine codes for the 1.8T. Please do your research on what your engine is.
www.bar-tek-tuning.com/1.8t-engine-codes
2. The crank gear needs to be dealt with at these power levels. Best option is a billet crank gear ($200)that is press fit on. Dowel Pinning is another but it has been known to fail.
3. ?? Please comment and let me know what I missed! Lets keep this up to date!!
Thanks guys!
You forgot boostline rods
Upgrade the oilpump and oil to 10w60
LPSfab makes an amazing manual timing tensioner kit, I've got it installed on both my B6 and my GF's B6.
Thank you for such good information :))
Greetings, thank you for the video, very good. I have a 2004 jetta mk4 1.8. Would you please tell me, wich is the audy cylinder head compatible with this jetta, greatly improving performance of the same, thanks.
I heard that the 1.8T is a very strong engine for tuning from the factory, but I never really realized how over-engineered it is. It's bonkers and makes me respect my 1.8T so much more.
Stock will take 300 bhp
@@MinionnitrousBHPtoBHP
Stock?1.8t 20v????
@@ahmadalbab5448 hell yes stock its the rods that R the week point on them
@@MinionnitrousBHPtoBHP it will take 300 ft-lb*** anything after that your risking your rods a 300 ftlb 1.8 makes like 260-270hp ish.
Slap bolt ons and a unitronic tune and it’ll be a really fun car! The 1.8t builds power good and they sound nice . I’ve flogged my awp 1.8t out for 15 miles straight at over 150 mph screaming and it loved it. Exhaust mani got so hot some turbo to manifold bolts actually backed out. Turbo wasn’t mad either (f21 kit) held 22 psi the whole way😂😂
Big love man, thanks for making this. There's is not enough 1.8t content on CZcams
it is content , Boba Motoring from Germany that make 1200 hp use alot this motor 1.8 T :D check it
@@TheNebuniciul where can I find the info? Thought he only did 16v’s
@@jordancroukamp8030 I remember wrong, he do only 2.0 Liter I think,
The 1.8 i think others tuners tune it until 1000hp +, in America i think i must search again that video
Agree👍🤝
@@TheNebuniciul Boba Motoring builds use the 2.0L 16V ABF motor.
I don't even work with VWs, I just like listening to tech talk like this- might learn something applicable to any other setup.
Same here I had no reason to watch this though I'm glad I did, subscribed straight away. Great info very well presented!
yeah I'd say about 80% of this info applies to almost all 4 cylinder turbo engines, import and domestic. Of course the power levels each component will be able to handle will differ and there are some additional parts needed depending on the motor.
I have watched this video probably 10 times it’s a great explanation for anyone who wants to build a 1.8t
Very good introduction to 1.8t life. I like that you compared all the different options etc.
Calm, collected and well thought out thank you
ive got one of these but have no plans on doing any of this. Point being youve got yourself a sub due to the amazing presentation, i wish this info was as well explained for other platforms/ when i was just starting out!
Thank you! That’s an awesome amount of info for someone in the planning process of tuning on a budget, which I am. I’ll have to research some parts with your info, and make a shopping list. Top man!
Wiseco also has Boostline rods available for the 1.8t rated for 1000hp
I really like this format, been here a few times already, huge help
Finally the video I was looking for thank you!
Just bought a 1.8t motor to rebuild. this video helped a lot thank you
This is the most informational video about an engine with numbers to back it that I’ve ever seen. Great video man!
Thanks!!
I really appreciate you making this video!
just picked up a Passat and learning all the fun i can have
This video is the inspiration I needed. Rock on.
Absolutely love these engine they rev to the moon make great torque stock and just sound cool with a cat back
Excellent breakdown. Easy to understand the steps needed to reach your HP goal.
I bought a 2001 TT 180bhp car on the strength of this guy’s knowledge…. Looking forward to making a 350 bhp car out of it
How’d it go
Niiice video amazing i was looking for a viseo like this for months
Watching this video about a year ago made me want a 1.8t. Now I'm rewatching with plans to upgrade my a4b5. Thanks!
I must say I only barely got one and I am amazed how cool this “little” motor is. Crazy power here I come!”
This is a very helpful video to all 1.8t owners 😎👍🏽
Underrated post !
This vid comes at the right time, now i have a guideline to mod my 1.8t. thanks!!
hope it turns out well, I love my AEB gtx30 setup very much!
@@benm12310 do you have stock displacement? or stroked? thanks
Thanks for this..this is a great resource for rebuilding my 03 a4
This is probably the 5 time I’ve watched this video over the past year.
Thanks for your great content.
🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼🍀🍀🍀😎
Glad to help!
Really good info right here. Thank you for your effort.
Just got my hands on a 1.8t 225 can’t wait to build it
I just got a MK4 1.8t. I’m so excited about tuning it . Going to start from foundation
Thanks so much for this vid!! Starting an audi TT build soon and this is great info!
Me too . I'm not a vag guy historically I'm a Honda guy .But a civic type R is £5000 .
TT is £1000. It's already boosted and 4x4 . Yes it's no where near as good as a k series . But the entire package as base point it's a no brainer really .
Making a civic 4wd is a massive task and over 300 hp fwd is not really the one unless you just want a drag car . But I'm all about grip cars and corners.
I'm just looking for a budget build b road blaster and the maths says get a tt . I do want over 300hp though which means rods at least to be reliable long term .
K it's like just add boost and go all the way up to 600. But I think over all having to open the engine might be worth it for all the other work I won't have to do elsewhere.
1.8t Jedi Knowledge Ry-Hurr, Thank you for your time most wise Jedi Mechanic!
Best 1.8t video hands down!!!!!!!!! I love my 1.8t ❤️
This is so good . I have had many kinds of cars and am currently looking for a 1st gen Audi TT to build I love the awd . Thanks for the information and I definitely once I find the right car will be in touch to get more information on my build 😊
Thanks heaps for your videos... Your the one dude that helps us owners dream. 😎🤜🏼🤛🏼🇦🇺🍀🍀🍀🤓
I'm glad CZcams recommended this video, because I am installing a turbo on my 07k motor. And I am planning on building the motor as well to handle the additional power.
Same basic motor with an extra cylinder. Be sure to check out @"Boost Brothers Garage", Mike has some great info on the 07k.
@@budgetoutlaws9978 yeah exactly thanks for the detailed video! I have already purchased my turbo manifold from them for my 07k build🤙🏽
This is about the 4th time I've watched this.
Need some vr6 and r32 content now if you haven't already.
Thank you so much for sharing all this unvaluable info! really appreciated!
C'mon bro, no need to be so sarcastic 😂
Dude knows his stuff
Just want to say thank you!! And I’ve been working on a few motors for about 2 years on my Audi TT Quattro 2001. I’ve went insanely in-depth with everything I learned and seeing this now I’m happy that someone is clarifying this all now. I bored and stroked my motor to roughly a 2.1/2 L and I make 700hp reliably with everything else. I want to try everything you have said on my next motor and see how they compare and I can improve on all your information. I hope you wouldn’t be troubled if there was a way I could contact you for more in-depth information. I’d love to push these motors to there limits. They have been a blast working on!!
Probably best to message me through the Facebook Budget Outlaws page. It's not active at all but it goes directly to our messages. I'm by no means a end all be all for these motors, but I do have some contacts that have helped me develop this list that have immense knowledge. My goal here as I mentioned in the video was to put down in a simple to understand format what the current understanding is for these motors and how to hold the power.
I would LOVE to hear the details on your motor and the trials and tribulations you've had and will have in the figure on it. Thank you!
Perfect video for planning a build, thank you.
Thank you for the video best one thanks to you I took a lot of info out of this and took the route that I took
Nice video! Super useful! Thanks!
Somewhat recently bought a B5 A4 1.8t and theres a couple of things ive been wanting to do but wasnt able to find any good forum posts explaining which was best for my application. This definitely helped. I have a Garret GT2871 turbo and the car revs to 8100 RPM so I was trying to find a good set of valve springs but was having trouble finding reviews. Appreciate the video im probably gonna come back to it many many times to see what I want next
Is that on stock rods? What power? Thanks
@@georgecollins2347 No longer have the car but it was forged rods (Not sure what brand) and made around 350whp on 18psi. Couldve turned it up more I just didnt trust the rods cause I didnt know the brand
Can't wait for the next videos good info on this mate keep up the good aorkt
Thanks! Working on it now. Probably going to hit next week, its taking a lot longer than I had hoped!
Incredible video. I'm building a stage 3 with cams as well as a ko4. 350 to 400 is my target goal. Then hand the keys to my son. Can't wait for winter in Hocking hills in the Quattro
Great video!! I am in the process of a similar build using a 06A block with a AEB head and lots of other goodies. I think the video is very informative but a press for crank gear is a must, also using ekagrip diamond shims and arp bolts throughout is a must also ARP bolts for the mains is a good idea. Adjustable cam gear is a good idea as well as swapping AMB cam chain tensioner and trigger wheel to use in a AEB head will help with boost and NA cams with some overlap will help as well. Lots of NA 1.8 cams available out there ADR has 2 different versions. ADR are known to have the most lift. I personally got APT cams as I couldn’t find ADRs with the lift I wanted. Ceramic coated AEB pistons will do the job.
Love the insight!!
Thanks for all the helpful tips!
this video is criminally underrated.
If i can ever get around to it.... i got a 01 awm 06A. With just building block im looking at $1400+ thats. With whole block built. Minus. A few hundred. Here or there. Love the video!
I am here for the 5 hp motor. Thinking about moving lawns 😄. Thanks for the video.
I’m an in-line 5 guy but this fella knows his stuff. Thanks for sharing!
About to be an in-line 5 guy myself ;)
Right on!
Thanks so much! I am planning to go for 300bhp...seemingly a piece of cake 🎉😊
I have done some mods and arp head studs on the original motor. Did all this research 10 years ago. Still have her and now I think I will fully build. Running gt28rs, stage 2 eurodyne, 44mm open dump.
Did you ever do this rebuild or get a newer gtx or efr turbo?
This video really helped, thank you!
Been doing this for years. Have several as well as 2.7tts. I've blown 4 motors since I installed IE rifle drilled Tuscany rods. Those rods live on to this very second😂 damn good rods
2023 and still Top shelf information.
great info and video man!!!
Wow awesome video! I learned a lot about my new mk4
Also billet crank gear and kevlar timing belt. Its not part of the motors but if you want to reach the 500 mark on a budget then run water methanol.
Great video and expertise! Congrats
Fantastic video, lots of good info!
Thank you so much for this video! I wonder if you can also make more videos for more engines? ✌
Can't wait to build one of my own
Quality video, thank you
IE tuscan rods are art.
2004 AWM 1.8t 5spd 4motion. Not bragging... ok I am lol love this thing. Planning on driving it for the next 50 years and this info will help
Keep up with all the plastics in the engine bay every 10 years or better yet eliminate as much as possible. The 1.8 is a very solid motor and has very little common failures in a stockish form.
This is really awesome, thank you for making it very straight to the point! I just have one question, how will the gearbox/drivetrain etc hold up for this? I'm looking to work abit on my audi a3 1.8t quattro from 1999 and I don't wanna wreck the drivetrain hehe. Thanks :)
Great information thanks, Dan
Came here just because of saw stalker racing team using 1.8t on drift car. Nice information on this vid.
This has to be the best video explanation for the 1.8T who wants more horsepower, I'm tired of asking and asking for info but here I'm clear, thank you so much!!!
That was pretty much the point of this video series. So everyone can get a clear and to the point understanding on what to do to make and hold power.
Be sure to check out the next video in the series about fuel injection.
czcams.com/video/quh7jo5p_4o/video.html
@@budgetoutlaws9978 there's a Email or any private way to contact you for extra support?
Best way is probably through the Facebook page. Send us a message through that and it will come directly to us. If you don't use messenger then our email BudgetOutlaws@pacbell.net.
Excellent video.
Great info 🤘🏻
Great video, I’m only aiming for about 300-350 horsepower in my 1.8t so it’s nice to see not much is really necessary
Did you get the 300hp??
?
Awsome video thanks
5.48k subscribers? Wtf.
Everyone needs to subscribe to this dude. NOW!
I appreciate that, I actually made this video when I had about 600 subs. This single video drove about 3k subs subs so far. But unfortunately I don’t have much time to dedicate towards 1.8T content so the channel is lacking that quite a bit.
Informative video...Thanks again
awesome video
Love the video bro.
Porting the head will help with turbo lag, torque band, lower cylinder pressure/temperature, and overall power gain from every additional component that improves the air flow. When done right on a big turbo big cam build, it is really easy to get 40hp or more out of porting the head properly, and you will gain a lot more drivability too. It is one of the few upgrades that makes the build better in every way with no sacrifices/compromises. Must do in my opinion
Porting actually make you lose velocity when driving off boost.
@@dujuanjohnson5025boring big holes in place of the ports does that. Properly ported head is one that gives you desired characteristics in NA motor, and it will be awesome boosted.
Thanks man!
Finally someone who speaks the truth about 1.8ts on the internet again. I would recommend some cat cams for your setup. I'm running the supertech valvetrain with the cat cams and it was the best mod ever. Paired it up with a M factory LSD at the same time and the car completely changed! Keep up the great vids my dude! -A fellow 1.8t loving ginger
That is the next mod that the car will see for sure. Plus a dual port wastegate actuator that's sitting in a box right now. We've got an event this weekend and then both the 1.8 and the 5.7 are going to be getting significantly more power.
Yes!! You’ll be so happy with the cams!
First time finding this channel.. Can you make an extended version of this video? As in, like 2-3 hours of just tearing down an engine and talking about each component as you get it off and sharing whatever random wisdom you may have. Doesn't even have to be an engine, I think I could watch you explain how to fold laundry or balance chemicals in a pool 🤣
I have no idea what it is about this video or your ability to explain things clearly but 10/10
Thank you! Next time I rebuild an engine I plan on doing a full length How To video or videos on it.
Nice video 👍🏻 vr6 budget build next would be fun to see
I would love to do a VR6 or 07K build video and put it in our 944 turbo. Currently deciding what we want to do with that car.
I would love to do a VR6 or 07K build video and put it in our 944 turbo. Currently deciding what we want to do with that car.
@@budgetoutlaws9978 my guy 👍🏻please let it be a 12 valve
Great video. Thx
Very very good information
AGU Earlier golf 1.8T had forged rods already installed where as the AUM golf later was not so the earlier are more capable of more power aswell due to being part forged
Hell yeah... A4 is one of the best handling production cars I have driven... I scare the you know what out of people in mine taking turns...
I loved my A4. Did well over 1G on the skidpad on street tires.
Have a 2000 mk4 1.8t here - looking to add some torque and horses. Thx for the vid..
Same here. Finally some reliable and complete info in a video! 👌
Problems with fuel pressure? Or injectors
@@StopTeoriomSpiskowym no probs with fuel system. But water pump beginning to go(15500+Mi). Replaced hoses, belts and sensors to start, went from there...
Good video thank you !
My sodium valves at 250k 😥. Great video. More depth the the manual tensioner ( how often tension adjustments are made) and timing belt (gates Kevlar vs. continental to respective power/rpm), preferred water pump, and camshaft chain gear tensioner. Thanks🙏
HI mi motor 1.8 T trae todos lo que se le pudo metre y funciona muy bien, esta forjado para 1200 hp, te recomiendo busques utilizar empaque de cobre con anillos de cobre para usara HI BOOST, este empaque de cobre lo debes fabricar a medida, posterior calentar rojo vivi y enfriar en aceite, para cuando los aprietes selle muy bien, cuando lo instales usa un espray de cobre por ambos lados y asegúrate que los anillos de fuego no se muevan, estos anillos deben de sobresalir del block del motor 0.18 de pulgada, lo cual se encaja en el empaque de cobre, sellando perfectamente cada cilindro!!
Very informative thank you! Is there any differentiation in the 2.1L found in the 83' Quattro- and can't seem to find any particular classification similar to what you are describing for the 1.8L
Nice vid.
Picking this engine simply for the sheer abundance. The 2.2 will always be the wet dream but.. It's so much more rare. Plus one more cylinder means one extra rod, rings, lifters, valves, springs, nuts and bolts etc.
I generally learn by failing and I'd rather on a 1.8 :D
Hey nice video :)
I have a b5 avant (facelift) and i want to completely build it up.
Engine wise i would do like rods,pistons,turbo(gtx2860R),boost cooling system,fuil system upgrades,intake,new oipump,engine completly cleand and all seals new and all the other stuff…😂
Thanks ! 👌 👍
SSUPER video mant thanks ...
I've loved japanese engines of all kinds especially the Honda engines d,h,b,k series. After buying my 02 golf GTI 1.8t and had sooooo many aftermarket parts and upgrades on it plus a apr tune stage 3. I absolutely fell in love! 5 speed manual. Over quarter of a million miles too. This thing is strong and God so fucking quick and fast! Idk if I'll ever go back. Nothing like German engineering. I've always know but never experienced it first hand myself. I'm blown away with how many aftermarket parts this car and engine has. The most I've ever seen with a vehicle and I'm 32 and worked on cars/trucks all my life
a german guy ,philip kaess makes a flowbench test between the small and big port intake manfold ,and it show that the small port ones not only better in lower revs ,it shows its a bit more better even at high revs .he was doing his research for his 1/4mile audi rs4 b5 with 1100Hp ,and he was surprised how the smallport performed .greetz from dortmund
I was planning to make a custom homemade flowbench when I built a bigger manifold. Very interesting findings here!!!