@@biankakoettlitz6979 the greatest freedom in Germany and most of Europe is: you can walk any path, any field road and you don't have to worry about private property. And no, you won't get shot for setting food on their land.
What always looks to odd me (as a Swede) seeing American suburbs, are these big, empty lawns without any fences or hedges. It looks so deserted, it's doesn't look like actual homes, I don't see personality, color, life. Here the houses in the suburbs would have different colors, sizes and design, there would be a hedge or a picked fence around the property, and a lot of people people would have some fruit trees, some berry bushes, and rows of flowers, something that brings life to the place. 🏡🌼🌳🌹🌲 There would also be some outdoor seating area, what's the word...deck? There would be like bikes, trampolines, swingsets, sandboxes, playhouses, treehouses and so on, since most people living there have kids.
tons of american suburb homes have most of the things you mention, except for the fences, for some reason they don't feel the need to fence off their properties very often. Although I wouldn't say they are really rare, just not as universal as in europe
a deck or a porch is very common at least in the south where i lived for a one year. The other things you mentioned are usually in the backyard and not in the frontyard
That's also been my observation here in the US. One sees these new developments with houses that might have good curb appeal but the sides and rear are boring. These houses might have sliding glass doors 3 meters off the ground but without a deck because they couldn't afford to have one built and then remain that way for years. In other words except for some kids toys, maybe a swing set and a grill, there's no personality, nothing imaginative or permanent. There's this one very nice development near me where the houses are more like giant townhomes, closer together with smaller lots, nice landscaping, sidewalks, and quiet streets. While they did include two very large grassy fields, one with a small playground, you almost never see any kids playing on them, who are probably all too busy looking at screens. They should've included a ball field and a basketball court but I think their target homebuyer's market was older folks.
One reason for this lack of "personality" could also be that people in the USA move much more often than here in Europe. It took quite a long time for our newly built house to feel like a home
But Europe is a nightmare for most Americans. Close housing, no escape from the neighbors? Forced to ride a train with hood knows who? No. There is a good reason the whites turned turn cities over the blacks in the USA, a really good reason that Europeans are incredibly naive of.
And that is so funny 😆 Walkable cities, free education, free school meals, universal healthcare, universal dental care, free university education, etc… Americans really hate those things 😱 Especially 1 month of paid holidays makes them scream socialism and run away 😱 🤣
@@verttikoo2052 Sure, how else are we going to exploit & criminalize the poor, the destitute, and those made homeless by medical bills, if we were to provide decent social services. Get real - the USA is the ultimate capitalist paradise. We don't have colonies we conquered. The ones who have earned the American Dream in the suburbs want to ensure that the undesirables stay where they belong - in the dense neighborhoods.
In the USA everything is centered around the cars. In Europe cars are at least slowed down by narrow and curving roads, even in new developments. So the children can walk or bike to the schools. And many new suburbs are dead ends so you can not drive through. It is a completely different approach.
European suburbs, new or old, are actually planned from a pedestrian’s point of view, which includes children and elderly people. They must be able to get to school or running errands on foot or by bicycle relatively safely. So cars are being slowed down on purpose and schools and grocery stores are often in walkable distance. In the USA, everything is car centered, so more often than not it’s impossible to walk to the next grocery store or school there.
Our estate has, at the back - furthest from the main road - a long building containing two levels/storeys of maisonettes. In front of them, (beyond a wide grassed area) is the access road* to the estate, including one 'speed hump' near the entrance. Then next to the access road at the other side, are three blocks of flats which stand _sideways on_ to the maisonettes block, and the main road. Each of these three buildings has a grassed area and footpath between them, plus each flat has both a narrow front and back garden. Each garden is gated, leading to the footpaths at the front, and the grassed areas at the back, - in addition to each back garden. There are trees and shrubbery within the grassed areas, which are edged with low wooden fences, to keep them neat. Nearly all of the gardens to each flat has a tall (around 6ft) wooden fence to contain them, with 'solid panels' at their base, and latticed at the top, so relatively neat, contained, yet allowing the estate to appear 'light and airy'. I like this estate. The three buildings containing flats are each only three storeys high, with two flats per storey. So, flats-wise, if you multiply two (flats) by three (storeys) by three (buildings) that's how many flats there are on this estate! Plus, the two storeys per maisonettes in the longer building at the back (I don't know how many individual maisonettes there are in that building, but it is a long-ish building, which starts at just past the entrance to the access road* - (& it* includes side-ways parking spaces) - which is a cul-de-sac*, and ends just past the end of the access road, beyond the perimeter of the furthest flat's block. So, it may easily hold the same amount of individual dwellings as the lower three buildings which contain the flats!) p.s. This estate contains each individual dwellings as being _Grade_II🥈_Listed_ due to it having won🥇 an architectural award for its original ('slightly curved') design and building in _1951_ following the 'Festival of Britain' held that year (by the husband & wife architects team of 'Maxwell & Frye' ...and the builder was 'Arup') 😏🏴❤️🇬🇧🙂🖖
@@klarasee806 Europeans love having their amenities within walking/biking distance - Americans do not. If Americans did, there would be a developer who would build such a place in a heartbeat so they could charge an arm & leg. However, Americans love their vehicles far too much to buy such properties. Every attempt to build such a community in the Florida or elsewhere has quickly evolved into a normal American suburb. City centers in the USA with mixed housing, retail, & other amenities are dying according to all reports. Americans vote with their wallets AGAINST dense neighborhoods.
@@gregorybiestek3431 Actually the mixed use neighbourhoods in the US are generally pretty expensive and sought after, the reason supply doesn't keep up with demand and investors aren't jumping on the chance to build more isn't because they don't want to but because in so much of the country there are very strict zoning laws which outlaw it.
@@JesusManera Many Americans are still voting with their money & moving OUT of dense areas into suburbs. Please google the Atlantic - April 2022; Brookings Institute July 2022; the Business Insider August 2023; & the study published by the University of Toronto Sept 2023. All of these and more state that people are leaving dense neighborhoods and moving to more suburban locations. The people doing the moving are 30-to-45-year-olds. Those zoning laws were not mandated by some faceless politicians or corporations, but rather at the demand and insistence of the local populace. It is the local PEOPLE who created the rules and who insist that they be kept to ensure that none of the undesirable people they moved away from lived near them.
I think we dont really have suburbs if were going by the USA version. We don't build areas with only houses because we dont have the usa zoning laws. The concept of not having a supermarket, chineese, kebab or indian place within a 5 minute walk is wild to me.
There are zoning laws but with other intentions. You can't build a factory or some shops which make noise or smells in a residential area. There may be rules the other way around, too ? I know areas where some metal shop is located for a long time. Now there are new apartement houses near to it. He can stay but he can't grow and no new metal shop could open there.
@@reinhard8053 the other way around too... in industrial and commercial areas, you can't open a small retail shop, because they don;t want all sorts of customer traffic towards that area. But you could open a wholesale distribution center, because the area is already build for large trucks
I mean we have those beautiful Neubaugebiete in Germany. the newer and closer to a big city the better, but the ones planned between ~1960 - ~2010 to get 30k pop. cities towards 50k-100k are really carfocussed. the last one my parents lived in had almost no sidewalks, no crossings, major detours for pedestrian and invited drivers to tripple the speed limit. they moved because there was hardly enough pedestrian space to get a wheelchair from the front door to the parking lot. the ~10-15 yrs old suburb they're now in is way more pedestrian and kid friendly, even if there're still no shops in walking distance.
As others said, zoning laws obviously exist but for example, working at a syndic I find that often in say, inner city appartement buildings the rules are more or less "1 business at the ground floor." We have multiple barbers for example.
From my small development it's only 5 mins to stores and restaurants by car but to walk to most of them would be at least 20 mins on busy streets and might not include sidewalks.
I could live happily in my 20 000 inhabitants German subburb without ever needing a car or even leaving it. Why? It has got everything you need for a comfortable life like dozens of doctors, dentists,specialists, pharmacies, shops,a school with over 1 000 students, sports grounds,churches, a library, suprmarkets,butchers,bakeries and public transport. In summer there are concerts - I watched TOTO ( remember Africa?) and there's a farmer's market every Friday and a Christmas market in December. I only need to go to the actual city for the theater or clothes or the cinema etc. And the best thing is that it is surrounded by a forrest and there is a river and a stream and it is QUIET !
Yeah ... I live in one of the richest parts of Germany. What is the truth? I have no car and if I need to go to the doctor it is like a horror. Sometimes the train will come, sometimes not and nobody knows why, nobody writes it in the app or nobody says what happened - nothing. Dirty sits. The same with dirty buses... Sometimes they will come, sometimes not. Sometimes later, sometimes earlier. And Sunday come nothing. At 9 pm come nothing, you have to call if you want to go somewhere. Unbelievable 2 km I have to go to the shops, 1 km to the pharmacy . Around only the field, no forests, everything is closed or I have to pay if I would like to play something like tennis, basketball, football, or volleyball. Everything you have to pay. You can have jogging for free on the fields if you want. Worst country ever!
@@Nalesnik158 I could only speak for MY suburb ! I didn't claim it is like that everywhere in Germany !! And I still think there is a BIG difference between European and American suburbs no matter how bad you think your personal situation might ! I'd really like to know where there are " dirty buses" in a " rich part " of Germany! Trolling much ??
The same where I live here in Spain. Only those who live in very remote places in our geography live without having a doctor, a store or a school nearby.
European concept is that everything is more mixed vertically. Cheap mass buildings are next to luxury villas. Shops are in same building as flats (shop pays rent for house and at night people guarding shop). USA is more flat horizontal design, each purpose has its own part of city (rich, poor, shopping, industrial, ..).
That doesn't seem fully accurate. Not everywhere. In big cities you obviously have quarters that are more so segregated into e.g. poor/mass-housing and upper-class/rich/family buildings or villa-type plots.
@@user-uv8hp4jh7k Lots of sometimes wasted space in my book. You're bound to your car and forced to traverse in it to basically anywhere if you're in suburbs or not living in a place like IDK NYC or so where public transit might be better developed, even if not necessarily pleasant. Without a car and not living in the right pace, I'd be screwed in the US. Here I can traverse whole regions, the nation or beyond it with ease. If I need to go shopping I can do so on foot.
Got stopped by the police in Anaheim for walking round the burbs with my two small children after our evening meal. My baby daughter was in a pram and the walk helped her fall asleep. Someone called the police as walking in the USA is considered suspect activity. And you wonder why obesity is normal. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@@TheImmilky Stop being an idiot. Perhaps it happend once or something, but that is absolutely not an normal occurrence in any country, and not in the US either. Stupid shit happens, but it is not the norm.
The most disturbing thing for me as German/european is that you dont have shops in your suburbs. This is so absurd for me. I lived in several larger geman cities and it was never a problem to find an apartment to have the next grocery in a distance of max 5 minute walk. Right now my next grocery is one block away - about 80 meters. I have a bakery 150 meters away - there is also some "fast" food restaurants like Italian pizzeria and Turkish "döner". They have good food and lots of tasty vegetarian stuff. Besides my grocery right next to my apartment there are FOUR further groceries all about 10-15 minute walk. Two are within a small "centre" where several further shops are directly together. Some are restaurants or Italian ice restaurants (really popular here). The bus stop is directly next to my house and the regional "S-Bahn" is 15 minutes walk or three bus stops away. Bus is coming 4 times per hour. I live now in a smaller town (40.000 people) next to a larger city (700.000 people) and with the S-Bahn I can be in the centre of the larger city within 20 minutes. The company I work for is available by one bus line that stops directly at. my house - 8 stations equal 13 minutes away and I am in my office. I definitely dont need a car - not at all. And btw - I dont have children but there are in many cities small parks with playgrounds for children. The apartment I lived til last year had a wonderful park where many parents and children were all the time. It was just a nice meeting place. Cause we have a lot immigrants I saw all kinds of folks there - arabs, east asian, african and of course also european looking people. Many are germans - some are not. This is really how I like my neighbourhood.
Yes. In England, my home is a 10 minute walk away from 3 parades of shops and 4 bus stops, and 20 minutes from 7 parades and 8 stops. Each bus (there are 4 routes) runs 8 times an hour.
@@TheRockkickass ah - oke - so many or even most americans in Suburbs could reach a grocery by a small walk? And restaurants? And meet there each other? Didnt know that. And obviously all those who make these videos dont know this either. Hmmmm...
@@BoothTheGrey why would we want to walk to a grocery store or wherever when we can just drive. I live in an area that’s very walkable and I still choose to drive everywhere
@@TheRockkickass You didnt answer my question. So for many or even most americans there is a grocery in a close range in Suburbs? That YOU YOURSELF live in such an area doesnt mean anything. There 330 mio americans and probably a third or even more live in in Suburbs of larger cities. So please. Just be honest. Try at least. Do you really KNOW that in most suburbs there are groceries and other shops, restaurants, etc you could reach by a walk? And to answer YOUR question: The reason to walk rather often - also for small allday shopping - probably is something many people seem to not be very familiar with: Health. Having several walks every day is really a good thing to support your health. Like eating an apple every day and dont eat to much sugar. And some other easy stuff. And of course using technology when its absolutely not necessary can be unhealthy. Besides your physical health there is also mental health that is really a good thing to be interested in. Do normal and easy things in your life. Dont use technology all the time. Have nice talks and nice walks. Have time frames without pressure of doing something but where you just can be laid back. If you can have a goal for a wolk (like shopping) its a good additional motivation. Etc etc. But probably it was a mistake to take your question seriously and it was just another troll BS, wasnt it?
In many European countries, local forests are seen as semi-communal spaces, in addition to parks and playgrounds, which also reduces the amount of huge private lawns that are unused 90% of the time.
Don't forget the insane HOA's which dictate what you can and cannot do with your house and lawn. That stuff is not gonna fly anywhere in Europe, yet they believe they're free in the USA...
When I was a child, I spent more than half of my free time outdoors. In the area there were several natural gathering places for the kids, where they often went to meet friends or make new ones. We played "Indians and whites", "thieves and policemen", hide and seek, played in the sandbox or swung. Walked or took our bikes to the kiosk and bought some candy or went into the forest and climbed trees. All this seems to be difficult or impossible for American children. How do they spend their free time?
How would this be hard for American kids? I grew up playing a ton of games with the neighborhood kids in our massive yards. Most of are parents houses had pools too so we could play in them.
@@TheRockkickass It's less so about being able to play games and more-so to be able to practice independency personally. When we were children we'd be no-where near our houses for upwards of 6-7 hours sometimes and not a parent in sight. Being able to play in your backyard is fine, sure, but you're still entirely reliant on your parents for the space to do so. Hell if we wanted to go camping overnight in a nearby forest nobody would really bat an eye, we were fully trusted to take care of ourselves.
@@Lewtablewe did the same shit. I grew up with a Forrest in my back yard that was huge, we would take four wheelers and BB guns out there and would be gone all day. 4 10 year olds driving around on 4X4s and shooting shit is pretty independent if you ask me. And then I’m also 10 so it was nice to go back to my house and have my buddies use my giant pool and hot tub.
You got that right, suburbs in Europe are often actually just small cities. When the cities grew over centuries, they kind of intermingled and grew together. Some cities were incorporated into others, while others were still far enough away to stay their own city, while basically touching other cities already. In Zurich for example, the city border seems kind of random. You could just drive down the road along the lakeside and without the sign telling you, you wouldn't notice that you just left the city of Zurich and entered a suburb. Houses still look similar, you're still very much in an urban environment.
@@cerebralcoitus It is called "American Ignorance" ! American Values today are fear, greed and bigotry ! Look at Trump, the unholyness in person... Americans even don't know what "communism" is. We don't have communism here in Germany - but you can stay in your little "America is the best-Bubble" and help destroy the origins of the US.
As a Brit/European, the German suburbs look very much like ours. Newer suburbs are not always as good in terms of mixed buildings/shops/etc as the older ones, but you won't (thankfully) see anything like the US model. Here we have large parks and woodland in the suburbs, and millions of trees along streets. Good buses, trams, trains, traffic calming measures, speed bumps, 20mph zones especially near schools etc. I live in a city and am about 3.5miles from the centre. I have a woodland over the road with a stream, large garden, lots of mature trees all around and can see hills and farmland if I look south and it's not a posh area by any means. I never see anything like this in a US cityscape. Where are the parks, woodland, topography, winding roads, wildlife, rivers, streams, allotments, canals, trams, railways, buses, anything attractive...they are just missing completely.
I live in London, England and in a "suburb". It is a nice area and a great place to live with all sorts of people from all walks of life living together. . We have three types of public transport in easy reach, shops, doctors, hospital, opticians, churches, synagogues etc. You don't need to drive to get around. I am convinced that only mad people drive here or because they have to. The suburbs here are often more exciting than the middle of the city.
I live near, and once lived in, one of the world's oldest planned suburbs in the World (Hampstead Garden Suburb, London). It is about the opposite to a US suburb. Most European suburbs share some or all of these: 1. Planned between 2 major roads with shops and restaurants all the way along them and with an underground train station at two corners. There are lots of bus stops and it was planned so no-one is more than a 5 minute walk from essential shops or 10 mins from access to pretty much anything. 2. Planned on the structure of a village with a centre hosting central resources such as churches, school, library, community centre etc. 3. There are parks with a few minute walk of anyone, with a park following a stream cutting through the centre of the suburb. 4. Roads within the suburb are intentionally narrow and winding to stop people driving too fast. 5. It was designed to have a mix of homes with detached houses, short terraces of small and medium houses and small (3 story) blocks of flats mixed together to produce a mixed community. Even large houses are narrow and close together, with the house close to the road (but may have a long back garden), this gives a 'village' feel and makes roads shorter are easier to walk. The real problem is that it has become a victim of its own success. and is so popular that even a 2 bedroom flat can cost half a million pounds.
In Germany, most villages, which are all so close to bigger towns and cities that you could call them suburbs, weren't planned. They simply 'happened' many hundreds of years ago. None of the modern civilization in the US is more than a few centuries old. This clip is comparing two utterly incomparable things .
@@bronwynsteck that’s not an argument at all. What hindered the us from emulating historical growth and planing the suburbs accordingly? Can’t the US brew beer because it is older then the US?
@@nonnadiona2659 older THAN, not older THEN. The German suburbs shown weren't newly planned ones. They were ones that just happened somewhere along the line when big properties were subdivided and blocks of flats were hastily built on every available square meter of ground and single-family homes were converted into multi-family homes as fast as possible. The basic layout of streets etc. wasn't changed much. And as to whether or not the Americans can brew beer - I don't drink the stuff, so I can't be the judge, but I suspect that many a German Braumeister would say they can't. And given the large open spaces in the US, any town planner who would even consider emulating the cramped conditions of your average German suburb would be out of his mind.
I live in a village in the Netherlands next to a big city, you could call it a suburb since most people here work in that city. Nearest supermarket is 2 minutes walking distance, snackbar (fast food) 3 minutes, a real restaurant 4 minutes walking, a garage 3 minutes the other way, hair dresser only 4 door on. The only thing missing for me is a hardware and electronics store, that would take a 5 minute drive by car in the city. Luckily most only shops have next day delivery if you order before 10pm so that's not a problem. We do not have zoning here, you can ask for a commercial license in the middle of a residential area and it is usually granted because it is very convenient for the people living there. Thanks for the video!
we do have restrictions, you couldn't open any commercial thing in your neighbourhood, just things that won't smell, make noise or in other ways disturb the peace and quiet. Example: those Flits Food delivery things that promise to deliver groceries in 10 minutes had to close down a lot because their operation was too disturbing. and to keep their promise they had to open tons of small shops all over the place
I think that for many here we now have less incentive to go out to stores close by or not, thanks to Amazon, Doordash, local food delivery and the like.
@@markdecker6190 Good point, but why pay an extra € 5 for delivery of a € 6 kebab if you can just take a nice short stroll in order to get it. Or just sit there on the terrace and have a chat with your neighbours.
@@Blackadder75 Absolutely true, I remember a carpenter workshop across the street from my elementary school in the 60s and the electric saw was extremely distracting during summer when the windows were open. That would certainly not be allowed anymore today, luckily there are restrictions.
@@ingeborgsvensson4896 When I was in need of some extra cash once I did DoorDash deliveries and you'd be surprised at how many people were willing to pay extra for it, even if it was a small order.
I think the problem with America is that it's so big and the expansion of a city almost always happens in the void. When a city expands in Europe, it always comes across a small town, which is then incorporated as a suburb. Therefore, European suburbs always look much nicer than what urban planners created in America.
No, it goes beyond city planning. Yes, one problem is car centered city design with very wide roads, but also city codes that forbid creativity in the front garden....
That America is big has almost nothing to do with it. Yes it is partially true that in Europe old villages get incorporated into expanding cities, but it is also true that in Europe (which is also big if you hadn't noticed) entire neighborhoods and even cities get built in otherwise completely empty fields. I live in Zoetermeer, which is a new city that was built out of a tiny little village and farm fields since the 1960s. We also have cities like Lelystad and Almere which are built on literally completely empty, new land that we dumped into the sea. These cities and neighborhoods also have a structure like was described in the video, with safe roads for walking, quite high density, local supermarkets and restaurants and so on. Some neighborhoods built in the 60s and 70s do have a bit more of an american feel (slightly) but that is purely because carbrain is also a problem in Europe, especially at that time. Then if we talk about France or Spain, countries like that are for a large part totally empty.
In Australia, the word "suburb" literally just means neighbourhood. Anywhere in a city that has a name on a map, even if it has 100+ storey skyscrapers (for example Southbank in Melbourne) or even no houses at all, is still a suburb. So the use of the word itself is very different. The middle suburbs of Melbourne I grew up in, and the inner suburbs where we're now raising our son, are alot more like the European suburbs. Walkable, mixed density, lots of public transport generally being built along train lines or tram routes, no uniformity at all. My small street has about 4 detached houses, 10 terrace/row houses, 10 blocks of flats (with 8-9 flats in each), a little park, and a larger apartment building above an Aldi supermarket at the end. The next street over has a large public housing tower, right opposite very expensive Victorian-era houses. So it's very socio-economically diverse. But unfortunately a lot of our newer outer suburbs look more like the US ones (except with better PT, most still having a train station). I don't know why we copy the bad US example instead of continuing to build more like the great older suburbs.
Ah, but the introduction of apartment buildings in Melbourne int the first zone is a new thing. It started about 20 years ago mate. Melbourne has gone through huge transformation. I lived in a first zone since I arrived in Melbourne 34 years ago. The only buildings in suburbs were house comission buildings. City center was only business district and department stores. There was nothing to do in the city after 6pm when we arived since everything was closed. Now it is different. Inter suburbs and city have great mixture of apartments block, town homes and detached houses, caffes bakaries and mini shops. But if you don't live near schools, you still have to take your kids to schools by car. If you don't live near sporting grounds, pools etc you still have to drive your kids everywhere. Australian suburbs are cities in themselves by just a sheer size of them. And only zone one suburbs have better transport. You still have to drive to train stations, if your don't live near them or tram stations or use busses to get to train stations. So it is not same as Europe. Melbourn has great restaurants and shops, street food trucks, but we still havilly depend on cars. And oh God, the outer suburbs are just as bad as in US. One thing Melbourne does well is incorporate nature into suburbs. There are many natural parks, walk and bike trails around the rivers and beach. But honestly I am sick of traffic congestion in Melbourne and around the first zone suburbs.
A cool thing in Germany is also, we mixed up sozial groups. It was really astablisht after the war. Nowadays it's going back, sadly. But it helpt a lot in growing together as a community.
I lived in a suburb of Stuttgart for a year. The local park was literally beside my apartment building- I would wake up to seeing squirrels and wild parrots outside my bedroom window. My partner's daughter had a 5 minute walk to her school, and supermarkets were a 10 to 15 minute walk. Doctors office close by also, restaurants and take aways, library...everything within walking or a short bike ride distance from home. The streets were tree lined as in the video and well kept. The local tram was just outside the park so getting into town was fast and easy. The only thing I didn't like was the air quality was not the best sometimes because the area is so industrialised. I will move back to Germany to where my partner is now, but much further out from that city to a small town where the air is much cleaner. There are still all the amenities, services, shops, public transport available within walking distance. Germany has done a fantastic job in planning their cities and towns to be less car dependent than the US and more accessible to everyone....even though they love cars there too.
Stuttgart is a special case even for Germany or European cities in general. Even mentioning to someone from the US who hasn't seen it that a big chunk of the city is in a valley is misleading. You have to know how small that valley and how steep the incline to the outside are. That's about the same like some people from the USA wondering how such a tiny country like Germany can be such an economic powerhouse. One detail behind the reasons is often forgotten. Germany has about 1/4 (yes, one quarter) of the entire population of the USA. Compare to the entirety of the USA the population density of some countries goes from astounding to insane.
Sounds like a real shithole place most Americans would love to move AWAY from. You European just do NOT understand that a vast majority of Americans, about 80% do NOT want to live in dense, mixed-used communities with lots of public transit! If more Americans wanted what was in Europe, developers would build it in a heartbeat. We prefer more open single use areas with nice roads between sections.
Interesting. In Australia there is a lot of talk about creating 20 minute cities / neighbourhoods - 20 mins the time to walk to school, work, park, shops …
Your suburbs look like something from black mirror, or a nightmare. Within a 10 minute walk from my house we have, the children's school, plus 2 others. 3 small shops, 3 supermarkets, 1 shopping centre, about 5 or 6 takeaways, a swimming pool, a park a doctors a dentist a cathedral, football pitches, a sports hall, a bowling green, a bowling alley, 2 different cinemas. I only bought my first car when I was 35 or 36
And European communities and suburbs look like horrible nightmares to most (85%) of Americans. Not only that, we VOTE to keep those kinds of European neighborhoods OUT of our communities.
I live in America and we have many suburbs that have walkable neighborhoods- where everything is closer together. It depends on the suburb, the city, and which part of the country you are in. Have you ever been to the US or do you go by what you only see in videos?
It's true that there will be variants in every country, but I don't think it's fair to pull up the OP for making a comment about what was seen in this video (which conforms to much of what is seen on US TV programmes) and asking if they are basing their comment only on what they have seen in the video. Of course they are. If this is a generalisation, or stereotype, then point it out, but don't criticise someone for not having seen US suburbs for themselves. After all, any of us could go to one place in America and say, "Yes, I have been," but that doesn't mean that we will know everything about US suburbs from one visit. Just as there are numerous stereotypes about the UK that we see repeated on US TV and films - most Americans will take them as being representative because they wouldn't have any experience to know any different. And, again, one good or bad experience cannot be completely informative. Nevertheless, it's human nature to go by first impressions.
@@patrickwoods2213 I get you, I never have been but also assumed that obviously you have more bad and better or good places with better zone mixing. It just seems that by default however you have policy that favors cold mundane suburbs that force you to have or use a car if you want to get anything done - in a lot of places.
Most old or palatial houses and smaller in Germany were flattened in World War Two and were completely rebuilt, giving ample possibilities for excellent work following great design!
A lot - though by far not all - European suburbs started out as their own little villages who eventually were swallowed up by the cities - meaning they have a small town center of their own. These suburbs often also have their own sense of community as a "town within the town". More, you couldn't make them totally car-centered if you wanted to, because the layout of at least the oldest part of the suburb predates cars and was never meant to accomodate them. Any solution will always have to be a compromise.
In Midages the standard europe home contained a house for multi generations, a garden for crops, an animal shelter, a pasture, a workshop, a storage. So the home could sustain itself. During the Industrialisation some things moved out, leaving a single house. But the people kept the tradition. So today most single houses contains some sort of garden, often a workshop to repair household items, and storage space, partial used as parking lots. We collect rain water to pour the plants, often use solar energy in combination with energy storage systems, and some are collecting bio waste on a compost. We plant tree for fruits in our garden and harvest vegetables in our glasshouse. Its basicly a diverse ecosystem for small animals.
In the US, they have HOAs and city codes which would ban most of the things you mention. For a country supposedly the Land of the Free, they do like to be regulated.
I know in the netherlands if they make plans to build a new neigbourghood they always take into account schools and a grocery store on a walking distance
US suburbs are dormitories, European suburbs are neighbourhoods. When looking for a suburban house, I looked for facilities like bus or train services, schools, shops, and a decent pub. I don't mind if there's some social housing, or if my neighbours aren't all white British. US seem to prefer homogenous ghettos.
The USA was built on the philosophy of rugged individualism. That has instilled a go-it-alone, the hell-with-the-next-city culture and a majority of Americans are happy to go about their business having as little to do with their dense central cities as possible. In one aspect you are right - I and my black neighbors on either side of me absolutely want to keep out the undesirable trash from moving in, so all of us will CONTINUE to keep ANY dense, mixed-use development OUT of our suburb.
The irony is that doing a healthy mix of social classes and type of people can often prevent ghettos forming. I've been through German no-go areas in the middle of the night at and past mid-night. They are a (often literal) walk in the park compared to US Ghettos on average I dare say. Because even in our rougher areas - on average - there is some sort of mix or social policy that prevents it becoming worse. One example I can think of is you want to avoid putting specific migrants/immigrants/refugees who are also economically or socially 'weak' (struggling, at disadvantage, etc) all in one area in terms of housing and make incentives to spread them around. Many will behave/not be an issue. But for those who may be, you surely do not want to put them all in one area as the synergetic effects will then impact that area more massively than if you'd divide people and mix them around so they can better integrate into a mostly working social environment. In "ghettos", the negative effects multiply and make it worse for more than if you were more so in a socially cohesive and orderly environment, encouraging you to stick with that and not act out or (if in ghetto) be encouraged to act out because it's seen as normal. But simplified but you get my gist.
@@Unknown-ek1ox Americans absolutely get your gist, and sorry, but in most of the USA we also absolutely have our areas divided by economic stratification. If anything my black neighbors are even more anti-social mixing than I am. Both I and my black neighbors on either side of me put-up with terrible work-life balance jobs to make ourselves middle class just so we could move AWAY from those who had no desire to do anything but stay on the dole or commit crime. When areas of the central cities begin to revive, mixed-social neighborhoods get destroyed by the PEOPLE, despite government attempts to force social-mixed housing. Google "gentrification" to see what I mean.
The channel he mentioned - Not Just Bikes, is top quality. A Canadian living in Amsterdam does deep dives into how other places are far better than what he was used to in N. American countries. Well worth dipping into.
The video shows pictures of a suburb in Leipzig in Germany which is the third largest city in East Germany I think (after Berlin and Dresden). Bigger towns and cities often expand by "absorbing" neighbouring villages and towns. That brings the advantage that there's some well established infrastructure there already. New suburbs and quarters are built by filling gaps between communities. Completely new suburbs built from scratch can have similar problems though - at least in Germany. Only quite large expansions will receive a kind of community centre with shops and offices. However, you'll never find area being so generously left "unused"(ie. used just for a lawn, a few brushes and trees only). Even streets and roads need to be more narrow here. Europe, and particularly Germany, Austria, Switzerland and the Benelux countries are densely populated - ground is just too expensive for that usually. Yet despite being more economic with using space urban development isn't without flaws and risks here too. Too much area is being used for single family homes. We're still building roads wherever we can in many regions, particularly in South Germany. Large shopping centres in peripherial areas and online shopping with quick delivery are putting more and more pressure on smaller shops downtown.
My home, Venice FL, was designed more like Europe in the 1920’s. It went bankrupt in the 30’ and did not recover until 60’s. Then it exploded with America style superb. At the turn of the century “New Urbanism” came into vogue. It is basically the European model. Groups in Venice helped bring back the original plan. We made it very bike friendly. Golf carts are very popular. I look at is EV’s where they are needed. It actually gets a lot of people who are against EV’s to buy one; please don’t tell them. Please come and visit, we also have some fantastic beaches. You can see a working model of an Americanized European suburb.
Hi Joel, we live in a village in northern Germany and I like that the houses haven`t been dismantled so much, but you still have your garden and space so that its not too cramped. There is a good relationship in our neighborhood and people help each other.
Agreed. If this a topic of interest for you "not just bikes" is a good channel to watch in general. He (as far as I know) is the one who coined the term "stroad"
@@AragonTigerseye Actually "Not Just Bikes" spreads a LOT of false information. Actually, in the USA, it is the suburbs with their spread-out housing & retail that pays MUCH higher taxes to keep the densely built central cities operating. The cities tax the money earned by non-residents, as well as a very good portion of our local road taxes. So, for your information I HAVE paid for 40 years to keep those stupid dense neighborhood communities going. Despite that I will STILL keep ANY dense mixed-use area from MY suburb.
I'm living in the suburbs of Berlin and Frankfurt am Main almost my whole life. I was born near Berlin, then moved to Rheinland-Pfalz and Hessen for 10 years and then came back to Brandenburg/Berlin 13 years ago. I never want to live in a big city, but always in the suburbs, cause you've all the goods like the S-Bahn, cinemas, theaters and all other events and bigger shopping spots reachable in 30 or 45 min, but without the bad things like constant traffic noise, places packed with too much people, trash etc. around my place to live. When I look out of my window, there is the historic city wall of my hometown and behind that is a meadow for horses and sheep's. So, I can go to a festival and enjoy being around people and having fun and then I go home and enjoy peace and quiet in the garden or enjoy a day at a nearby lake. Best of both worlds 😎
As a Swede myself, the American and European suburbs definitely are different to one another, however, one perk that the American suburbs has is that their houses is much bigger, and can have more things stockpiled in the garage etc. One more thing, if I had the money, I would definitely buy a property, and build a 2-story American Home (With Basement) with a 2-door garage as well.
Yep! The maker of the video is rather outspoken in his opinion! Correct, but quite black-white.... Sometimes you need a cold shower to wake up. In general, European suburbs are more walkable, divers, compact, which leaves open space outside the city.
This is so important. Yes there is a problem but it can be solved. One thing is to vote blue 💙 in every level. Why? Biden wants to bring back the good old times when Americans had walking cities with tram service and buses and free healthcare for everyone etc. Biden wants to get the money away from the billionaires to benefit everyone. European way 👍 Greetings from 🇫🇮
For everyone's information - In January 2024 the city of Eastpointe, Michigan proposed a road diet to make a five-lane highway (2 in each direction plus a turn lane) into a three-lane road. This was to be the start to make the communities more like Europe. Approximately 75% of the populace, INCLUDING almost all the millennials & gen z attacked this plan. There were protests, threats of legal actions by businesses and letters & emails to the state highway dept. Finally on March 19, 2024 the city relented and voted to reverse its plans and signed a contract on March 31, 2024 to merely repair the five-lane highway to keep it as it is. Most of the people who forced this reversal are people of color and young working-class families. It seems they like things the way they are.
IMHO, the point is not to make driving as slow as walking, the point is to develop the (infra-)structure of the city in a way to make driving optional. When I visit a city that is making driving actively hard, I do my best to leave as quickly as I can. In a city that is giving me options, I'll happily doodle around with a bike, an e-scooter, or public transportation. (I'm looking at you, Freiburg! If you live there and have everything you need, great. Visiting? Not so much...) Six months ago, I tried travelling by train to a training. If you travel to the training and then just back, it's probably great. If you extend your trip and need something other than business attire and/or leave the destination city center, good luck! Next trip will be by car again.
Funfact from South Africa: After the Soccer world championship in Cape Town, they suddenly had a bus system. OHH we will suffer, cried the taxi drivers, all the people will take the bus. Today, the rich people from the suburbs take the bus, so to have time to read the Financial Times, keep their expensive cars safe at home. Tho poor people mostly still take the shared taxis, because it is cheaper for sharing with 5 to 10 others. Our tour guide told us this story and he lives there. You, be safe. Elmar from Germany
Living in a suburb but in a very densely populated area in NRW and I love the fact that it's somewhat idyllic here and I can go to the farmer to buy vegetables by bicycle if I wish but also go to big cities by tram or train within 15-30 minutes (depending on the city). And still we have a variety of supermarkets, restaurants and everything you need in daily life that I can just walk to from my home within 10 minutes.
I live in a post war, northern English suburb. Four different bus routes within 5 mins. walk. I can walk to the town center in half an hour, a main line rail station on those bus routes or walk in 25 mins. My local park is 50m away. Four supermarkets within 10 mins. walk. 8 take ways as well. So am I envious of the USA? Guess.
Hy there from Leipzig ❤❤ Never owned a car in my 34 years of life. I go everywhere by bus, train, tram or bike. There are 5 different groceriestores in walking distance to my flat plus two parks and a forest. Not two cities are the same, every district here and every town in Germany has its unique style. thats why I often do trips by train to explore the old town centers of places like Erfurt, Weimar or Dresden. Oh and we have lots of Wildlife in our cities too. I just saw a beaver the other day at the river.
The entire concept of suburbs is alien to me. We don't have a lot of these type of living environments in the Netherlands. Transport to nearby cities and other municipalities is in general good by bicycle, car and public transport, and most facilities are close by anyway. The financial part of the US suburbs will kill them eventually, but it could take a long time.
There are some areas like suburbs here, but they need to have public transort connections or nobody would move there or they wouldn't be approved in the first time. Often smaller villages around big cities get integrated or act like a suburb. I live in such a village and I have some minutes to a bus station, 10mins to a S-Bahn or train station. 10mins by bike to the next supermarket.
I guess you have what I in the UK would call a suburb. It would be a district or area of a city with its own centre with some local shops and other facilities, surrounded by a residential area, with maybe a business park or industrial estate nearby.
@@katrinabryce You're right, but I personally never referred to these as a suburb, although if you look at the word, it's probably more accurate than what is being called a suburb in the US. Thank you, never thought about that.
Yea the difference is, the Netherlands is the size of Phoenix while the US is the third largest nation in the world, we have room to spread out and most Americans would rather have a huge house and yard
I live in a seaside town Southern England & LOVE small town life. I've not long moved to a large new building estate on the outskirts & amenities will come in time, however the beach is a 25 min walk away with plenty of coffee shops, restaurants, deli's etc with two gorgeous parks en route, & a bus every 15 mins if you need to go to the town centre. If I'd walk around a usa suburb for 25 mins I'd probably get two houses down
You know, I live downtown. By US standards it would BE a town, here it’s a big city. The kids from downstairs come up here freely, on their own, as does one of their cats. It’s like that :) Whereas there was that notjustbikes vid about a guy in Canada getting sued over letting his kids go to school on their own, using the bus, for being an irresponsible parent. Yeah, he got reported for it. Dystopian 1984 to us, good citizenship over there. George Orwell wasn’t done yet. A suburb where kids can’t or aren’t even allowed to play in the street is hell on earth.
I really enjoy your thoughtful, inquiring videos as you open your eyes to other places and ways of doing things. One thing I would like to know about though is that in the suburbs you have all that land, but it is not used. I'm sure someone from the UK would be planting and growing vegetables, having a few chooks on that land, not to mention flower beds and shrubs. My local estate had an ethos when new of the fronts being open plan grass, as in the US, but over the years hedges walls and fences have been erected to enclose their precious spaces, and keep them clear from dog's mess, or other incursions from strangers.
I live in a suburb 7.5 miles from Manchester city centre. It's a ten minute walk to a big supermarket and other shops, doctors surgeries, cafes etc. Buses are every ten minutes into the city centre.
In Norway, for a long time, neighborhoods with single-family homes were built outside the city centers, but many of these were built with rental options in the basement, so you got all kinds of people in the same neighborhood. Provision was also made for play areas, access to nature and grocery stores, schools and nurseries in large neighborhoods that were more than walking distance from the town centres. These neighborhoods may resemble American suburbs, but there was always a driving zone with a speed limit of 30 km/h and a bus connection. The plots are much smaller than in American neighbourhoods, so contact with the neighbors occurs naturally. Because of the low speed limit, children can play in the streets. In recent years, it has become more common to build low rise apartment buildings in these neighbourhoods. This can happen because construction companies buy up homes with larger properties in the same neighbourhoods. Often these are properties from old farms that sold land to the neighborhoods when they were built. In that way, the neighborhoods are densified. In the new low-rise blocks, provision is made for commercial activities in addition to housing, so bakeries, cafes, restaurants, pharmacies and the like can be established close to where people live. There will be more potential bus passengers, but at the same time the possibility is maintained for people to own and use cars from the neighbourhoods. The apartment buildings are usually built with parking facilities in the basement. The way Norwegian neighborhoods are developing can be transferred to American suburbs, but there must be someone pushing for the changes, as mentioned in the film. Because the properties in American neighborhoods are often large, apartment buildings can be built on the lot of one or two houses, especially if you lower the speed limit in the area around the building, so children can play in the streets.
USA zoning laws were not mandated by some faceless politicians, but rather at the demand and insistence of the local populace. It is the local PEOPLE who created the rules and who insist that they be kept and even made stronger too wanted to ensure that none of the undesirable people they moved away from lived near them so they limited the height, arrangement of each building as well as the number of families that could live there. It was the local PEOPLE who demanded and made sure that wide streets many times WITHOUT sidewalks were built, because it made their new homes less inviting to random people who walked instead of those who had enough money to buy vehicles.
the city i work ( not living )....you have suburbs there, you get everything in them...no need to leave it! here, the kids learn to ride a bike, to drive it for a long life.. in the USA you learn to drive a bike, so your parents can say you can do it, too!
I live in the Netherlands, in a residential area and on the other side of the road at the end of the neighborhood are offices, hardware stores, furniture stores, gyms, indoor playground and more companies. Because there are many trees and other plants, you can hardly see the buildings. During lunch hour I always see small groups of people who work in those offices taking a walk through my neighborhood. Because everyone knows that sitting at a desk all day is very bad for your health. Rain or shine they always take a walk here.
in Italy until the 1980s, at least, the principle of decentralization existed, prohibiting the opening of new sales points too close to others with the same economic reason, thus encouraging traders to disperse throughout the city rather than all gathering in the city center . Now we are becoming Americanized, facilitating large-scale distribution and suffocating small and medium-sized traders. All the neighborhoods of my city had at least one theatre, a couple of single-hall cinemas, and various entertainment, sports and cultural venues; everything within walking distance. Now there are supermarkets in theaters and cinemas are multi-screen cinemas. Thus the money does not remain in the economic fabric of the city, circulating and creating social wealth, but goes to the few super-entrepreneurs who own the chain stores, who perhaps live in the Cayman Islands, and the city will never see a cent of the investment made by its citizens
It's even difficult to refer to the term "suburb", because it's so different. Here those places are just independent towns, which have grown together with a larger city - and these towns also have grown to a city-like density, which automatically (!) leads to infrastructure.
I immediately recognized the city of Leipzig (the area where I live) in the references he used. While he's mostly correct, there are still some suburban areas that have fallen off the map and are hard to get to or away from. Public transport isn't as dense everywhere and other conveniences like safe bicycle routes are also not always available. Also if you are into a specific sport you may still find yourself driving across town if a local sports club isn't offering training or doesn't have the necessary facilities and equipment.
It is an interesting point that the suburbs only reinforces the "woman stays at home and is dependant" concept. I live in one of quiet residential areas from the 30ties, 90% detached houses with gardens(each very different), 3 schools, 2 student hostels, 3 min bus and tram stop and a small supermarket, 2 cafes, 2 pubs, 1 restaurant, 5 min a swimming pool and nice hill with playgrounds for kids and an observatory on the top of the hill. I sometimes wish there were more shops and stuff, but hey, the city centre is 10 min by tram and 20-30 min walk. Compared to the US, I have it pretty good.
@caroline4323 - You are so wrong. Women who live in American suburbs have their own car, which gives them more freedom than a European. They either drive to work or are busy driving their children to school activities. If they don't like the stores closest to their home, they can drive to another area.
A lot of green is private land. So yeah, it looks nice but you really cannot enjoy it as you cannot walk around in it. The European model is more to have actual community parks or recreational areas everybody can visit and keep the ground around housing to a modest dimension. This also has to to with the amount of available land area. But really if you build wide and with separated zoning you tend to become more car dependant.
It's such a difference. Here in the Netherlands even in the planned suburbs which emerged from the 1920s onward there was and is always a place for a local shopping street or center, there are schools, there are children's playgrounds. Houses are closer together, but what is the advantage of the large yards in the US when people don't actually use them and only have a lawn? And houses in Europe are mostly better sound insulated and fire resistant from the outside so these aren't concerns about building houses as 2 family houses, terraced houses or medium rise buildings. Also it doesn't make sense why the streets in American suburbs are so wide, even when cars are parked on both sides there is enough space to speed trough with two full size trucks, creating danger and noise. In European suburbs the streets are often just wide enough to allow two cars to pass each other just and when cars are parked at the roadside you often have to stop in a gap between the parked cars to allow an oncoming car to pass, this forces drivers to keep their speed down and creates a safer and quieter environment to live in. The access roads leading to the suburbs are often planned in a way so that no trough traffic goes trough the neighbourhoods.
In Australia the suburb I live in is surrounded by National Park/bushland and includes a little shopping centre and additional shops near the train station. Most of the suburbs seem to have their own shopping centres, doctors, dentists etc. We can drive, take a train or bus to the bigger Shopping Centre that is convenient for all the surrounding suburbs where you can get just about everything. The CBD (Central Business District) is where you go to the theatres for shows etc or to find that specialist shop. The US suburbs we see seem to be so empty of vegetation/trees which over here are encouraged as it contributes to the wildlife and air quality.
I think Oulu in Finland has the best idea this far: in case bicycle way and street or road must intersect, it's *always* the car that gets "yield to everything" sign. Bicycles and pedestrians will always get priority. This is the underlying difference to the USA. In the states, cars have always the priority over everything else.
I live in an average german village, with 3.700 inhabitants. We have got a pharmacy, doctors, 3 dedicated bakeries, a butcher, a greengrocers shop (also selling fresh baked goods and some fresh sausage/meat), a flower/gardening shop and a small discounter, as well as 2 restaurants and a Döner bar. We have got 2 kindergarten and 1 primary school for our village (and host the middle school for the local community of 6 villages/11.000 inh. altogether). For recreation there is an open air pool in summer, the dual purpose sports hall of the middle school and little bit outside 2 open air soccer fields. We have got 1 train station, the next (2) towns are 15 minutes by local train in each direction, the next village is about 3-4 minutes by train or car, or 7 minutes by bike. At the next village there is 2 more (bigger) discounters, a supermarket, dedicated drug store, more doctors etc. if you need more, you will head for the town(s). The train is supposed to run every 30 min in each direction, at peak hours with an additional train, but sadly the schedule has a lot of hiccups. With the new „Germany ticket“ you can ride all (short distance) public transport in Germany for only 49 € ($ 52,50) / month.
I have realised that everywhere I have lived (12 different places) from my childhood to now in my seventies I have lived within easy walking distance of a shop where I can get essentials. I have lived in very nice places as well, not all in the UK, but Australia too. I now live in a village in the Cotswolds, not one of the Chocolate Box ones, but still delightful, and mine is one of the few which has a shop and schools, a dentist, a garage, a Chinese Takeaway, a hairdressers, a doctor's surgery and a pub where you can eat out in. They have all been under risk in the last years, due to Covid, Lockdown or low birth rate, but a new estate was built which was fought against but the plus side was it enabled all these facilities to survive. Other villages are more like dormitories for the wealthier people. People are railing against the idea being mooted of 15 minute cities but in a way that is what I live in. I'm not a prisoner, I can go elsewhere and often do, but I don't have to nip out for miles to get a pint of milk.
I'm living in a suburb of Bern, Switzerland (Europe) and it's just like we saw in this video. You can go everywhere with public transport, the next stop is 2 or 3 minutes away from your home. Only if you want to transport some heavy stuff you need a car. If I need a car I can hire one very cheap. This is basically the case in every city in Switzerland (> 2000 people). A tram / cable car is only available in towns over 100'000 people, though.
Hey MoreJps, the suburb Leipzig that is mentioned in this video is my hometown. And I would say it's more of a city than a suburb, but we definitely have many suburbs around the city. It's pretty cool to have mostly a walk of a maximum of 10 minutes to a train station. But I personally prefer the bike cause the city is well constructured for it and it's still getting improvements. And as most cities in Germany it's really pedestrian friendly, that's why I can easily walk to my friends and enjoy walking with them in a park. So these are my experiences as a German living in Leipzig. I really like your videos, even these not about Germany, cause it's cool to gain more knowledge with you about the world :)
The other difference between American and European suburbs is that in European suburbs, you know and are friendly with those who live around you. You meet each other walking or cycling or taking public transport. Americans are insular, not gregarious. They have big homes in large plots of land, you go everywhere in your car, not speaking to anyone who lives in your street.
In a lot of Danish suburbs the neighbourhoods are also connected by walking and biking paths that makes a seperate network from the streets, so children can often bike or walk to school, sports and their friends without getting on or near a road.
Our suburb resembles more US suburb, but with the difference that bike and pedestrian access is totally different, and they are also designed for public transport. The houses are WAY smaller, about 2/3rd to half US house, the yards are smaller too, so they are fairly dense in terms of population, pun both not and intended. Here in Finland, forest is the main difference, you got small batches of forest absolutely everywhere. I was lucky that i had some 4km of forest in my backyard when growing up. Now that is 2km, the city grows all the time but the way things are built leaves a lot of forest between neighborhoods and inside them. That is very important for attracting people to move to suburbs, it has to have a ton of trees and some forest within stone throws distance away. Third of Finnish cities are green areas, forests and parks. The stupidest thing is that most of Finnish suburbs were built using the government loan, and that had visual requirements, each neighborhood had a visual "code" of sorts that made for ex not possible to have 6 red houses with exactly the same layout. It also limits choices but what it does is that it makes them diverse. So.. authoritarian government rules leads to grey blocks? Look at new US suburbs.. same houses, over and over again. There is WAY more variance in 80s Finnish suburb built during the most strict building codes in its history than there is in 2024 US suburb. Way more.. You got all different color houses, you got white brick, red brick, board siding, plaster, dark roof, light roof, tiles, sheet, 2 story, away from the road, right beside the road, L shape.. The variance that the very ordered system created did work and those suburbs are the best. Where as free market capitalism made US suburbs the most monotonous burbs in the world, apart from maybe Qatar... that has its suburbs modeled after US suburbs but by an incompetent government looking for easy solutions instead of your know.. STUDYING the topic and asking experts about it. Newer suburbs are more and more car dependent... and single family zoning is the predominant zoning method for suburbs... Guess has the conservative right wingers been in the halls of power for multiple decades now, along with centrist conservatives...
There are older suburbs like that in the USA, for example around pre-car cities like Boston, that were built with the density to support street car systems. However, they are rare and often very pricey since they have walkability, are scarce and have proximity to the city core. Sadly most of them wouldn't be allowed to be built under most current zoning regulations.
As a german I just Love those American suburbans … I don’t know why but they are big , spacious and grand ! Everything looks similar nice and clean … I just love that 😂 I come from Lower Saxony and lived most of my live in Villages that are 800-1000 years old … the roads here go up and down like a rollercoaster 😂 super narrow streets , … and where I grew up there where a lot of New Home Areas build in the 90s that look way more flat and straight … and I just loved walking those streets … there was a huge flat area of grass between two lanes of road for the power lines … I just loved playing there as a kid in the summer with friends … there was a part uphill and walking it up you couldn’t see much because it was so flat and ontop you saw a U shaped Area for richer people … it was super quiet up there , and you could look down the street into the village , we drove it down every summer with our bikes trying to get The furthest without using the paddles…
i think there are many oversimplifications here. the look of an european suburd depends on how old that part of the city is. in most european cities the prices of the houses in the downtown are rising constantly, so there is a tendency for younger people to buy houses outside of the center. this results in big housing projects in the backyards of large cities, but becuase this happens in a very large scale and very quickly, most of these newly built suburbs lack many basic ameneties (ie. doctor, kindergarten, local restaurants, shops etc.). in many cases the roads to these suburbs from the city center are narrow, the public transportation is not yet available everywhere and most of the people work far from their home, so they choose to commute by car, so there is not an urgent need for developing pedestrian-friendly shops and local entertainment, because the car is an easy choice for everyone. the parents of my wife live in such a suburb, and there only last year opened a shop which is open in weekends (and this suburb is 40 years old). an other big problem is the corruption. because there is a demand for these houses local politicians can make a big money if they "have a good relationship" towards building entrepreneurs. these kind of projects don't bother the already local people, not until the roads get crowded and the water services begin to falter, but this happens when the houses are already built, the politician enjoys their pension and no one can be held responsible.
There are downsides to suburbs on both continents so I suppose it’s about what you wish to prioritise; the freedom/need to be able to drive anywhere you wish or the freedom to be able to choose a different range of transport options even though each of those options have different limitations. Living in a relatively small, overcrowded island geographically forces you to compromise on where you can live and the kinds of buildings and social/commercial activities that may be happening right on your doorstep.
I absolutely loved the walkable aspects of Germany. But still needed a car quite a bit as I traveled. I would have missed out on so much had I not had a car and needed to rely on public transportation. In the US, I live in a small suburb more on the rural side and it’s very lovely, peaceful, clean and safe. I do have a grocery store nearby that I can ride my bike to.
Well, in the U.S., when moving, attention is paid to how good the security is, and how the highways are accessible. In Europe, in most cases, attention is paid to what the infrastructure is like. Are shops, doctors, schools nearby, are leisure facilities nearby or quickly accessible, how is the transport connection, etc. At most, you move to an area where, like in the USA, there is nothing at all if your workplace is nearby, or the house is dirt cheap or you have inherited it. And that in one place there is really nothing at all, it means that it is a tiny village. I live in a suburb of 3000 people, here there are doctors, a fire brigade, sports clubs, shopping, a primary school and two kindergartens. To reach the secondary schools, the older children travel a quarter of an hour by public school bus, or by regular bus. Everything is either within walking distance, or by public transport.
I live in Denmark and we mostly ride a bicycle in city's and suburbs or use public transportation. Cars are very expensive because there is extra taxes when you buy one and public transport is easy to get to but also rather expensive (in my opinion), many combines it so you bike to busstop or train stations and leaves your bike there. Many trains also have the possibility to let you take the bike with you for an extra fee We have bike roads in every town and city so it is normal to see a parent with a child about 7 years old is out in the city traffic leaning them how to get around so they can go to school by them self. Also all other bicycle is being patient and take extra care when they observe or pass in these situations. BUT if you are an adult and go on the bicycle road and don't paid attention to a bicycles, you will possible be getting some strong looks or worse from the ones that ride a bike Road raging is not just for cars...
Speaking of - to live on a big foot. In our country, a person inhabits an area of around 45 square meters on average. In the USA the average is 75 square meters/person. Your country's area is approximately 225x larger than ours. So i think the available space is also a reason why you tend to build wider. We tend to build higher, with several residential units in one building and closer together. And so it would cost too much to ensure trains or buses/trams everywhere... As already mentioned in the video you showed... Too far apart from each other. But I'll still come visit the USA in the next few years 😁😉
I think the key word here is : zoning laws. The problem when space is not at a premium and distance is less relevant when everybody drives is that there are relatively few stakeholders and the decision-making becomes naturally top-down. You are cutting off nobody from driving to a bit of nature, don't have to worry about public transport and building more services right away, it would be a hassle and a waste of money and time. But it won't lead to well-planned cities that facilitate walking.
4:47 you may be laughing at "mommy and daddy taxi service" but let me tell you, growing up in austria? i'm veeeery familiar with the sentence "take the bus, i'm not your taxi service". i'd hear that from my parents all the time whenever they didn't feel like giving me and/or my sibling a ride. other terms that are in use include "mama-taxi" and "papa-taxi" (i've definitely said sentences along the lines of "i'm not taking the tram today, i get to use the dad-taxi instead" or "i really gotta go now, the mom-taxi is waiting for me" → that second sentence is vital because you don't keep your parents waiting when they are so kind to pick you up by car so you don't have to go home via public transport)
uhm .... google maps should give you a 3D street view on german cities and suburbs. The map usually should come with al tram and bus stops as markers. And then google the city name with ÖPNV as an acronym for public transport ( you can create Ö on an american keyboard layout with ALT 153 and ö with ALT 148). There you can get the tram and bus routes plus in which rhythm they go the loops. Here, 120 km west of Berlin, a 220.000 capita city we got 10 minutes frequency for each line during the day, 20 mins in the evening, 1 hour during late night. For the suburbs the frequency is a bit worse. The bus line to the suburbs will stop after 2.a.m. and start again 4:30 a.m. or so. all distances are walkable and one even can take a bike on the tram if it's not rush hours. Not sure that the european models will ever fit on the distances to cross in the US though, thats what I learned from this vid. Thanks for sharing.
13:41 so I live in what we call a village in the Netherlands. You would probably call it a suburb because it’s not a city but for me it feels more like a small town although it is near a city. Downsides are that city conveniences are not as close or easily obtained but comparing to what I see from the states it’s actually not that bad. I would complain about public transport but then again we get a bus into the city 8 times an hour and more during rush hour. Everything is bikeable and food shops and small convenience shops are a 3 minute walk from my place. I don’t have as much space as a place in the suburbs in the US seems to have but I honestly wouldn’t know what to do with that much space. I think that’s also to do with what you grow up with and get accustomed to. I totally recommend the video by not just bikes, they make seriously great content (even if it’s a bit Dutchie centered :p).
In Balkan countries, cities were build to be surounded with the agricultural villages around it. Those villages provide food for that city by selling their produce and home made products every week in farmers markets. That type of urban planing was decided in 1800 hundreds and everyone who wanted to relocate and start up a farm and agriculture were given free land. Sadly these days villages are getting empty and younger generations are moving to the cities.
I think a smart Park&Ride system might be a solution to the US problem. One or more centralized stations (depending on the size of the suburb) with huge parking lots or an underground car park. So you can drive the last miles comfortably in your car (or bike) and for the ride into town, you can take the train. Or the better way, open the suburbs for small businesses, bring groceries, bakeries and other important goods into the suburbs and prevent traffic. Car size is a different matter, do you really need an F350/Humvee/Escalade or Suburban if you live in a suburb?
First time I see someone reacting to something I never thought about and took for granted. (German suburbs) By the way you analyse the video, the way you speak and react to parts of the video I feel like we could have been good friends if I were an American or you German.
Hello there. This guy uses my hometown of Leipzig for his video. So I know the area he's talking about. And I wouldn't call it a suburb. It may be an outlying part of town but very much part of it with houses mostly built pre war. There are other parts farther from the city center that showcase the typical post war east german housing blocks. I'd call this a suburb but based purely on distance from city center. Everything else is pretty much the same. And finally we also do have some more american style suburbs aka single family homes with little public transit nearby. Some people prefer that for sone reason...
New towns built after 2ww in the Uk were not planned too well but that can probably be put down to an urgent need for housing ,today in this country especially the need is to build up and good planning and architects who can forget about their signature and try for beauty and longevity for example plans should be that the ground and first floor square footage should be the footprint of a buiding plus (one ,two etc bedrooms then this will be the bottom house of a row of however many floors this must come ,or something very similar because to keep building single houses and bungalows bumps the price of houses out of the reach of the lower paid ,these can also be used as family houses three and even four generations , it would help solve the housing crisis bring families together help the couples who wish to start families and slow the age gap that threatens many aspects of our way of life ,the predominantely way that houses are built seems to me is wrong ,large detached buildings with extensive gardens to maximise profit at the expense of space ,but the government will build the way it always has to justify the actual number primarily to prove it can be done ,madness
2:34 Here on the map, Leipzig is shown, specifically the districts of Alt West and Lindenau, which cannot be called suburbs. These are indeed urban areas, though not central. So, it's not quite an accurate illustration. As suburbs, one could consider the districts of Markkleeberg, Markranstädt, Rackwitz, Taucha, Großpösna, Schkeuditz, Krostitz, Böhlen, Borsdorf and Naunhof.
It's paradox to me that the US cares so much about values like Freedom and Liberty, but without a car and paying for gas you are defacto imprisoned.
the illussion of choosing
Actually not imprisoned, isolated is the right word.
Come to Germany, there you can learn why we need cars for our freedom the arguments against speed limits on the Autobahn is a list of them.
@@biankakoettlitz6979 the greatest freedom in Germany and most of Europe is: you can walk any path, any field road and you don't have to worry about private property. And no, you won't get shot for setting food on their land.
LOL. You see one video where the worst examples are hand picked and you think it represents the entire huge country.
What always looks to odd me (as a Swede) seeing American suburbs, are these big, empty lawns without any fences or hedges. It looks so deserted, it's doesn't look like actual homes, I don't see personality, color, life.
Here the houses in the suburbs would have different colors, sizes and design, there would be a hedge or a picked fence around the property, and a lot of people people would have some fruit trees, some berry bushes, and rows of flowers, something that brings life to the place. 🏡🌼🌳🌹🌲
There would also be some outdoor seating area, what's the word...deck? There would be like bikes, trampolines, swingsets, sandboxes, playhouses, treehouses and so on, since most people living there have kids.
tons of american suburb homes have most of the things you mention, except for the fences, for some reason they don't feel the need to fence off their properties very often. Although I wouldn't say they are really rare, just not as universal as in europe
a deck or a porch is very common at least in the south where i lived for a one year. The other things you mentioned are usually in the backyard and not in the frontyard
That's also been my observation here in the US. One sees these new developments with houses that might have good curb appeal but the sides and rear are boring. These houses might have sliding glass doors 3 meters off the ground but without a deck because they couldn't afford to have one built and then remain that way for years. In other words except for some kids toys, maybe a swing set and a grill, there's no personality, nothing imaginative or permanent. There's this one very nice development near me where the houses are more like giant townhomes, closer together with smaller lots, nice landscaping, sidewalks, and quiet streets. While they did include two very large grassy fields, one with a small playground, you almost never see any kids playing on them, who are probably all too busy looking at screens. They should've included a ball field and a basketball court but I think their target homebuyer's market was older folks.
One reason for this lack of "personality" could also be that people in the USA move much more often than here in Europe.
It took quite a long time for our newly built house to feel like a home
To see life in those suburbs you have to see them in the movies, especially in a zombie movie.
“American dream” is nightmare for the Europeans 😱
But Europe is a nightmare for most Americans. Close housing, no escape from the neighbors? Forced to ride a train with hood knows who? No. There is a good reason the whites turned turn cities over the blacks in the USA, a really good reason that Europeans are incredibly naive of.
And the European dream is a horrible nightmare for almost all (85%) of Americans.
And that is so funny 😆 Walkable cities, free education, free school meals, universal healthcare, universal dental care, free university education, etc… Americans really hate those things 😱 Especially 1 month of paid holidays makes them scream socialism and run away 😱 🤣
@@verttikoo2052 Sure, how else are we going to exploit & criminalize the poor, the destitute, and those made homeless by medical bills, if we were to provide decent social services. Get real - the USA is the ultimate capitalist paradise. We don't have colonies we conquered. The ones who have earned the American Dream in the suburbs want to ensure that the undesirables stay where they belong - in the dense neighborhoods.
@@verttikoo2052
Without taking into account the culture of tipping and the garbage of ultra-processed food
In the USA everything is centered around the cars. In Europe cars are at least slowed down by narrow and curving roads, even in new developments. So the children can walk or bike to the schools. And many new suburbs are dead ends so you can not drive through. It is a completely different approach.
European suburbs, new or old, are actually planned from a pedestrian’s point of view, which includes children and elderly people. They must be able to get to school or running errands on foot or by bicycle relatively safely.
So cars are being slowed down on purpose and schools and grocery stores are often in walkable distance. In the USA, everything is car centered, so more often than not it’s impossible to walk to the next grocery store or school there.
Our estate has, at the back - furthest from the main road - a long building containing two levels/storeys of maisonettes.
In front of them, (beyond a wide grassed area) is the access road* to the estate, including one 'speed hump' near the entrance. Then next to the access road at the other side, are three blocks of flats which stand _sideways on_ to the maisonettes block, and the main road. Each of these three buildings has a grassed area and footpath between them, plus each flat has both a narrow front and back garden. Each garden is gated, leading to the footpaths at the front, and the grassed areas at the back, - in addition to each back garden.
There are trees and shrubbery within the grassed areas, which are edged with low wooden fences, to keep them neat. Nearly all of the gardens to each flat has a tall (around 6ft) wooden fence to contain them, with 'solid panels' at their base, and latticed at the top, so relatively neat, contained, yet allowing the estate to appear 'light and airy'.
I like this estate.
The three buildings containing flats are each only three storeys high, with two flats per storey. So, flats-wise, if you multiply two (flats) by three (storeys) by three (buildings) that's how many flats there are on this estate! Plus, the two storeys per maisonettes in the longer building at the back (I don't know how many individual maisonettes there are in that building, but it is a long-ish building, which starts at just past the entrance to the access road* - (& it* includes side-ways parking spaces) - which is a cul-de-sac*, and ends just past the end of the access road, beyond the perimeter of the furthest flat's block.
So, it may easily hold the same amount of individual dwellings as the lower three buildings which contain the flats!)
p.s. This estate contains each individual dwellings as being _Grade_II🥈_Listed_ due to it having won🥇 an architectural award for its original ('slightly curved') design and building in _1951_ following the 'Festival of Britain' held that year (by the husband & wife architects team of 'Maxwell & Frye' ...and the builder was 'Arup')
😏🏴❤️🇬🇧🙂🖖
@@klarasee806 Europeans love having their amenities within walking/biking distance - Americans do not. If Americans did, there would be a developer who would build such a place in a heartbeat so they could charge an arm & leg. However, Americans love their vehicles far too much to buy such properties. Every attempt to build such a community in the Florida or elsewhere has quickly evolved into a normal American suburb. City centers in the USA with mixed housing, retail, & other amenities are dying according to all reports. Americans vote with their wallets AGAINST dense neighborhoods.
@@gregorybiestek3431 Actually the mixed use neighbourhoods in the US are generally pretty expensive and sought after, the reason supply doesn't keep up with demand and investors aren't jumping on the chance to build more isn't because they don't want to but because in so much of the country there are very strict zoning laws which outlaw it.
@@JesusManera Many Americans are still voting with their money & moving OUT of dense areas into suburbs. Please google the Atlantic - April 2022; Brookings Institute July 2022; the Business Insider August 2023; & the study published by the University of Toronto Sept 2023. All of these and more state that people are leaving dense neighborhoods and moving to more suburban locations. The people doing the moving are 30-to-45-year-olds. Those zoning laws were not mandated by some faceless politicians or corporations, but rather at the demand and insistence of the local populace. It is the local PEOPLE who created the rules and who insist that they be kept to ensure that none of the undesirable people they moved away from lived near them.
I think we dont really have suburbs if were going by the USA version. We don't build areas with only houses because we dont have the usa zoning laws. The concept of not having a supermarket, chineese, kebab or indian place within a 5 minute walk is wild to me.
There are zoning laws but with other intentions. You can't build a factory or some shops which make noise or smells in a residential area. There may be rules the other way around, too ?
I know areas where some metal shop is located for a long time. Now there are new apartement houses near to it. He can stay but he can't grow and no new metal shop could open there.
@@reinhard8053 the other way around too... in industrial and commercial areas, you can't open a small retail shop, because they don;t want all sorts of customer traffic towards that area. But you could open a wholesale distribution center, because the area is already build for large trucks
I mean we have those beautiful Neubaugebiete in Germany. the newer and closer to a big city the better, but the ones planned between ~1960 - ~2010 to get 30k pop. cities towards 50k-100k are really carfocussed. the last one my parents lived in had almost no sidewalks, no crossings, major detours for pedestrian and invited drivers to tripple the speed limit.
they moved because there was hardly enough pedestrian space to get a wheelchair from the front door to the parking lot. the ~10-15 yrs old suburb they're now in is way more pedestrian and kid friendly, even if there're still no shops in walking distance.
As others said, zoning laws obviously exist but for example, working at a syndic I find that often in say, inner city appartement buildings the rules are more or less "1 business at the ground floor." We have multiple barbers for example.
From my small development it's only 5 mins to stores and restaurants by car but to walk to most of them would be at least 20 mins on busy streets and might not include sidewalks.
I could live happily in my 20 000 inhabitants German subburb without ever needing a car or even leaving it.
Why? It has got everything you need for a comfortable life like dozens of doctors, dentists,specialists, pharmacies, shops,a school with over 1 000 students, sports grounds,churches, a library, suprmarkets,butchers,bakeries and public transport.
In summer there are concerts - I watched TOTO ( remember Africa?) and there's a farmer's market every Friday and a Christmas market in December.
I only need to go to the actual city for the theater or clothes or the cinema etc.
And the best thing is that it is surrounded by a forrest and there is a river and a stream and it is QUIET !
this is what's wrong with the world
Yeah ... I live in one of the richest parts of Germany. What is the truth? I have no car and if I need to go to the doctor it is like a horror. Sometimes the train will come, sometimes not and nobody knows why, nobody writes it in the app or nobody says what happened - nothing. Dirty sits.
The same with dirty buses... Sometimes they will come, sometimes not. Sometimes later, sometimes earlier. And Sunday come nothing. At 9 pm come nothing, you have to call if you want to go somewhere. Unbelievable
2 km I have to go to the shops, 1 km to the pharmacy . Around only the field, no forests, everything is closed or I have to pay if I would like to play something like tennis, basketball, football, or volleyball.
Everything you have to pay. You can have jogging for free on the fields if you want.
Worst country ever!
@@Nalesnik158 Well, what part do you live in? And if you live in an area that sucks, that doesn't mean Germany sucks. lol
@@Nalesnik158 I could only speak for MY suburb ! I didn't claim it is like that everywhere in Germany !! And I still think there is a BIG difference between European and American suburbs no matter how bad you think your personal situation might !
I'd really like to know where there are " dirty buses" in a " rich part " of Germany! Trolling much ??
The same where I live here in Spain. Only those who live in very remote places in our geography live without having a doctor, a store or a school nearby.
European concept is that everything is more mixed vertically. Cheap mass buildings are next to luxury villas.
Shops are in same building as flats (shop pays rent for house and at night people guarding shop).
USA is more flat horizontal design, each purpose has its own part of city (rich, poor, shopping, industrial, ..).
yeah they love to tag averyone by colour, race, income...pretty horrible
I see it like this too.
The US system is better. They actually have space.
That doesn't seem fully accurate. Not everywhere. In big cities you obviously have quarters that are more so segregated into e.g. poor/mass-housing and upper-class/rich/family buildings or villa-type plots.
@@user-uv8hp4jh7k Lots of sometimes wasted space in my book. You're bound to your car and forced to traverse in it to basically anywhere if you're in suburbs or not living in a place like IDK NYC or so where public transit might be better developed, even if not necessarily pleasant.
Without a car and not living in the right pace, I'd be screwed in the US. Here I can traverse whole regions, the nation or beyond it with ease. If I need to go shopping I can do so on foot.
Got stopped by the police in Anaheim for walking round the burbs with my two small children after our evening meal. My baby daughter was in a pram and the walk helped her fall asleep. Someone called the police as walking in the USA is considered suspect activity. And you wonder why obesity is normal. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
I’ve lived in the US my whole life and not once have I had that experience.
@@patrickwoods2213 lucky you then
@@TheImmilky Stop being an idiot. Perhaps it happend once or something, but that is absolutely not an normal occurrence in any country, and not in the US either. Stupid shit happens, but it is not the norm.
The most disturbing thing for me as German/european is that you dont have shops in your suburbs. This is so absurd for me. I lived in several larger geman cities and it was never a problem to find an apartment to have the next grocery in a distance of max 5 minute walk. Right now my next grocery is one block away - about 80 meters.
I have a bakery 150 meters away - there is also some "fast" food restaurants like Italian pizzeria and Turkish "döner". They have good food and lots of tasty vegetarian stuff.
Besides my grocery right next to my apartment there are FOUR further groceries all about 10-15 minute walk.
Two are within a small "centre" where several further shops are directly together.
Some are restaurants or Italian ice restaurants (really popular here).
The bus stop is directly next to my house and the regional "S-Bahn" is 15 minutes walk or three bus stops away. Bus is coming 4 times per hour.
I live now in a smaller town (40.000 people) next to a larger city (700.000 people) and with the S-Bahn I can be in the centre of the larger city within 20 minutes.
The company I work for is available by one bus line that stops directly at. my house - 8 stations equal 13 minutes away and I am in my office.
I definitely dont need a car - not at all.
And btw - I dont have children but there are in many cities small parks with playgrounds for children. The apartment I lived til last year had a wonderful park where many parents and children were all the time. It was just a nice meeting place. Cause we have a lot immigrants I saw all kinds of folks there - arabs, east asian, african and of course also european looking people. Many are germans - some are not. This is really how I like my neighbourhood.
Yes. In England, my home is a 10 minute walk away from 3 parades of shops and 4 bus stops, and 20 minutes from 7 parades and 8 stops. Each bus (there are 4 routes) runs 8 times an hour.
You’re wrong. Every single American suburb has shops. That’s a crazy statement to make
@@TheRockkickass ah - oke - so many or even most americans in Suburbs could reach a grocery by a small walk? And restaurants? And meet there each other? Didnt know that. And obviously all those who make these videos dont know this either. Hmmmm...
@@BoothTheGrey why would we want to walk to a grocery store or wherever when we can just drive. I live in an area that’s very walkable and I still choose to drive everywhere
@@TheRockkickass You didnt answer my question.
So for many or even most americans there is a grocery in a close range in Suburbs?
That YOU YOURSELF live in such an area doesnt mean anything. There 330 mio americans and probably a third or even more live in in Suburbs of larger cities. So please. Just be honest. Try at least. Do you really KNOW that in most suburbs there are groceries and other shops, restaurants, etc you could reach by a walk?
And to answer YOUR question: The reason to walk rather often - also for small allday shopping - probably is something many people seem to not be very familiar with: Health.
Having several walks every day is really a good thing to support your health. Like eating an apple every day and dont eat to much sugar. And some other easy stuff.
And of course using technology when its absolutely not necessary can be unhealthy.
Besides your physical health there is also mental health that is really a good thing to be interested in.
Do normal and easy things in your life. Dont use technology all the time. Have nice talks and nice walks. Have time frames without pressure of doing something but where you just can be laid back. If you can have a goal for a wolk (like shopping) its a good additional motivation. Etc etc.
But probably it was a mistake to take your question seriously and it was just another troll BS, wasnt it?
In many European countries, local forests are seen as semi-communal spaces, in addition to parks and playgrounds, which also reduces the amount of huge private lawns that are unused 90% of the time.
Don't forget the insane HOA's which dictate what you can and cannot do with your house and lawn. That stuff is not gonna fly anywhere in Europe, yet they believe they're free in the USA...
When I was a child, I spent more than half of my free time outdoors.
In the area there were several natural gathering places for the kids, where they often went to meet friends or make new ones.
We played "Indians and whites", "thieves and policemen", hide and seek, played in the sandbox or swung. Walked or took our bikes to the kiosk and bought some candy or went into the forest and climbed trees.
All this seems to be difficult or impossible for American children.
How do they spend their free time?
Did you ever play cowboys and Indians, tie a friend to a tree with rope ,accidentally forget about him and go home for tea? Oops just me then 😊😊
How would this be hard for American kids? I grew up playing a ton of games with the neighborhood kids in our massive yards. Most of are parents houses had pools too so we could play in them.
@@TheRockkickass It's less so about being able to play games and more-so to be able to practice independency personally. When we were children we'd be no-where near our houses for upwards of 6-7 hours sometimes and not a parent in sight. Being able to play in your backyard is fine, sure, but you're still entirely reliant on your parents for the space to do so. Hell if we wanted to go camping overnight in a nearby forest nobody would really bat an eye, we were fully trusted to take care of ourselves.
@@Lewtablewe did the same shit. I grew up with a Forrest in my back yard that was huge, we would take four wheelers and BB guns out there and would be gone all day. 4 10 year olds driving around on 4X4s and shooting shit is pretty independent if you ask me. And then I’m also 10 so it was nice to go back to my house and have my buddies use my giant pool and hot tub.
@@TheRockkickass Youre in the minority, in Europe its the norm.
Walking is a basic human need. Our bodies were designed to scout the plains. The very act of walking is good for your physiology and mental health.
@@danielbrstak5730 then Mother Nature must be socialist 😆
You got that right, suburbs in Europe are often actually just small cities. When the cities grew over centuries, they kind of intermingled and grew together. Some cities were incorporated into others, while others were still far enough away to stay their own city, while basically touching other cities already. In Zurich for example, the city border seems kind of random. You could just drive down the road along the lakeside and without the sign telling you, you wouldn't notice that you just left the city of Zurich and entered a suburb. Houses still look similar, you're still very much in an urban environment.
to me as a German it's kinda weird how much Americans care about status and "you're poor" being an insult.
yes it would be people tend to get used to communism eventually
@@cerebralcoitus what?
C'mon, there are areas in most German cities that are looked down upon because their inhabitants are mostly "socially weak".
@@Bioshyn just another brainwashed murican, butthurt when learning that his country is not god's paradise on earth anymore......
@@cerebralcoitus It is called "American Ignorance" ! American Values today are fear, greed and bigotry ! Look at Trump, the unholyness in person... Americans even don't know what "communism" is. We don't have communism here in Germany - but you can stay in your little "America is the best-Bubble" and help destroy the origins of the US.
As a Brit/European, the German suburbs look very much like ours. Newer suburbs are not always as good in terms of mixed buildings/shops/etc as the older ones, but you won't (thankfully) see anything like the US model. Here we have large parks and woodland in the suburbs, and millions of trees along streets. Good buses, trams, trains, traffic calming measures, speed bumps, 20mph zones especially near schools etc. I live in a city and am about 3.5miles from the centre. I have a woodland over the road with a stream, large garden, lots of mature trees all around and can see hills and farmland if I look south and it's not a posh area by any means. I never see anything like this in a US cityscape. Where are the parks, woodland, topography, winding roads, wildlife, rivers, streams, allotments, canals, trams, railways, buses, anything attractive...they are just missing completely.
I live in London, England and in a "suburb". It is a nice area and a great place to live with all sorts of people from all walks of life living together. . We have three types of public transport in easy reach, shops, doctors, hospital, opticians, churches, synagogues etc. You don't need to drive to get around. I am convinced that only mad people drive here or because they have to. The suburbs here are often more exciting than the middle of the city.
London is a third world shithole
I live near, and once lived in, one of the world's oldest planned suburbs in the World (Hampstead Garden Suburb, London). It is about the opposite to a US suburb. Most European suburbs share some or all of these: 1. Planned between 2 major roads with shops and restaurants all the way along them and with an underground train station at two corners. There are lots of bus stops and it was planned so no-one is more than a 5 minute walk from essential shops or 10 mins from access to pretty much anything. 2. Planned on the structure of a village with a centre hosting central resources such as churches, school, library, community centre etc. 3. There are parks with a few minute walk of anyone, with a park following a stream cutting through the centre of the suburb. 4. Roads within the suburb are intentionally narrow and winding to stop people driving too fast. 5. It was designed to have a mix of homes with detached houses, short terraces of small and medium houses and small (3 story) blocks of flats mixed together to produce a mixed community. Even large houses are narrow and close together, with the house close to the road (but may have a long back garden), this gives a 'village' feel and makes roads shorter are easier to walk. The real problem is that it has become a victim of its own success. and is so popular that even a 2 bedroom flat can cost half a million pounds.
In Germany, most villages, which are all so close to bigger towns and cities that you could call them suburbs, weren't planned. They simply 'happened' many hundreds of years ago. None of the modern civilization in the US is more than a few centuries old. This clip is comparing two utterly incomparable things .
@@bronwynsteck that’s not an argument at all. What hindered the us from emulating historical growth and planing the suburbs accordingly? Can’t the US brew beer because it is older then the US?
@@nonnadiona2659 older THAN, not older THEN. The German suburbs shown weren't newly planned ones. They were ones that just happened somewhere along the line when big properties were subdivided and blocks of flats were hastily built on every available square meter of ground and single-family homes were converted into multi-family homes as fast as possible. The basic layout of streets etc. wasn't changed much. And as to whether or not the Americans can brew beer - I don't drink the stuff, so I can't be the judge, but I suspect that many a German Braumeister would say they can't. And given the large open spaces in the US, any town planner who would even consider emulating the cramped conditions of your average German suburb would be out of his mind.
Hampstead Garden is amazing! My friend moved there, its such a pleasure to visit her in UK every now and then.
I live in a village in the Netherlands next to a big city, you could call it a suburb since most people here work in that city. Nearest supermarket is 2 minutes walking distance, snackbar (fast food) 3 minutes, a real restaurant 4 minutes walking, a garage 3 minutes the other way, hair dresser only 4 door on. The only thing missing for me is a hardware and electronics store, that would take a 5 minute drive by car in the city. Luckily most only shops have next day delivery if you order before 10pm so that's not a problem. We do not have zoning here, you can ask for a commercial license in the middle of a residential area and it is usually granted because it is very convenient for the people living there. Thanks for the video!
we do have restrictions, you couldn't open any commercial thing in your neighbourhood, just things that won't smell, make noise or in other ways disturb the peace and quiet.
Example: those Flits Food delivery things that promise to deliver groceries in 10 minutes had to close down a lot because their operation was too disturbing. and to keep their promise they had to open tons of small shops all over the place
I think that for many here we now have less incentive to go out to stores close by or not, thanks to Amazon, Doordash, local food delivery and the like.
@@markdecker6190 Good point, but why pay an extra € 5 for delivery of a € 6 kebab if you can just take a nice short stroll in order to get it. Or just sit there on the terrace and have a chat with your neighbours.
@@Blackadder75 Absolutely true, I remember a carpenter workshop across the street from my elementary school in the 60s and the electric saw was extremely distracting during summer when the windows were open. That would certainly not be allowed anymore today, luckily there are restrictions.
@@ingeborgsvensson4896 When I was in need of some extra cash once I did DoorDash deliveries and you'd be surprised at how many people were willing to pay extra for it, even if it was a small order.
I think the problem with America is that it's so big and the expansion of a city almost always happens in the void. When a city expands in Europe, it always comes across a small town, which is then incorporated as a suburb. Therefore, European suburbs always look much nicer than what urban planners created in America.
No, it goes beyond city planning. Yes, one problem is car centered city design with very wide roads, but also city codes that forbid creativity in the front garden....
That America is big has almost nothing to do with it. Yes it is partially true that in Europe old villages get incorporated into expanding cities, but it is also true that in Europe (which is also big if you hadn't noticed) entire neighborhoods and even cities get built in otherwise completely empty fields. I live in Zoetermeer, which is a new city that was built out of a tiny little village and farm fields since the 1960s. We also have cities like Lelystad and Almere which are built on literally completely empty, new land that we dumped into the sea.
These cities and neighborhoods also have a structure like was described in the video, with safe roads for walking, quite high density, local supermarkets and restaurants and so on.
Some neighborhoods built in the 60s and 70s do have a bit more of an american feel (slightly) but that is purely because carbrain is also a problem in Europe, especially at that time.
Then if we talk about France or Spain, countries like that are for a large part totally empty.
In Australia, the word "suburb" literally just means neighbourhood. Anywhere in a city that has a name on a map, even if it has 100+ storey skyscrapers (for example Southbank in Melbourne) or even no houses at all, is still a suburb. So the use of the word itself is very different.
The middle suburbs of Melbourne I grew up in, and the inner suburbs where we're now raising our son, are alot more like the European suburbs. Walkable, mixed density, lots of public transport generally being built along train lines or tram routes, no uniformity at all. My small street has about 4 detached houses, 10 terrace/row houses, 10 blocks of flats (with 8-9 flats in each), a little park, and a larger apartment building above an Aldi supermarket at the end. The next street over has a large public housing tower, right opposite very expensive Victorian-era houses. So it's very socio-economically diverse.
But unfortunately a lot of our newer outer suburbs look more like the US ones (except with better PT, most still having a train station). I don't know why we copy the bad US example instead of continuing to build more like the great older suburbs.
Australian use of the word suburb really confused me at first when I lived there.
Ah, but the introduction of apartment buildings in Melbourne int the first zone is a new thing. It started about 20 years ago mate. Melbourne has gone through huge transformation. I lived in a first zone since I arrived in Melbourne 34 years ago. The only buildings in suburbs were house comission buildings. City center was only business district and department stores. There was nothing to do in the city after 6pm when we arived since everything was closed. Now it is different. Inter suburbs and city have great mixture of apartments block, town homes and detached houses, caffes bakaries and mini shops. But if you don't live near schools, you still have to take your kids to schools by car. If you don't live near sporting grounds, pools etc you still have to drive your kids everywhere. Australian suburbs are cities in themselves by just a sheer size of them. And only zone one suburbs have better transport. You still have to drive to train stations, if your don't live near them or tram stations or use busses to get to train stations. So it is not same as Europe. Melbourn has great restaurants and shops, street food trucks, but we still havilly depend on cars. And oh God, the outer suburbs are just as bad as in US. One thing Melbourne does well is incorporate nature into suburbs. There are many natural parks, walk and bike trails around the rivers and beach. But honestly I am sick of traffic congestion in Melbourne and around the first zone suburbs.
A cool thing in Germany is also, we mixed up sozial groups. It was really astablisht after the war. Nowadays it's going back, sadly. But it helpt a lot in growing together as a community.
I lived in a suburb of Stuttgart for a year. The local park was literally beside my apartment building- I would wake up to seeing squirrels and wild parrots outside my bedroom window. My partner's daughter had a 5 minute walk to her school, and supermarkets were a 10 to 15 minute walk. Doctors office close by also, restaurants and take aways, library...everything within walking or a short bike ride distance from home.
The streets were tree lined as in the video and well kept. The local tram was just outside the park so getting into town was fast and easy. The only thing I didn't like was the air quality was not the best sometimes because the area is so industrialised.
I will move back to Germany to where my partner is now, but much further out from that city to a small town where the air is much cleaner. There are still all the amenities, services, shops, public transport available within walking distance.
Germany has done a fantastic job in planning their cities and towns to be less car dependent than the US and more accessible to everyone....even though they love cars there too.
Stuttgart is a special case even for Germany or European cities in general. Even mentioning to someone from the US who hasn't seen it that a big chunk of the city is in a valley is misleading. You have to know how small that valley and how steep the incline to the outside are.
That's about the same like some people from the USA wondering how such a tiny country like Germany can be such an economic powerhouse. One detail behind the reasons is often forgotten. Germany has about 1/4 (yes, one quarter) of the entire population of the USA. Compare to the entirety of the USA the population density of some countries goes from astounding to insane.
Sounds like a real shithole place most Americans would love to move AWAY from. You European just do NOT understand that a vast majority of Americans, about 80% do NOT want to live in dense, mixed-used communities with lots of public transit! If more Americans wanted what was in Europe, developers would build it in a heartbeat. We prefer more open single use areas with nice roads between sections.
Interesting. In Australia there is a lot of talk about creating 20 minute cities / neighbourhoods - 20 mins the time to walk to school, work, park, shops …
Your suburbs look like something from black mirror, or a nightmare. Within a 10 minute walk from my house we have, the children's school, plus 2 others. 3 small shops, 3 supermarkets, 1 shopping centre, about 5 or 6 takeaways, a swimming pool, a park a doctors a dentist a cathedral, football pitches, a sports hall, a bowling green, a bowling alley, 2 different cinemas. I only bought my first car when I was 35 or 36
And European communities and suburbs look like horrible nightmares to most (85%) of Americans. Not only that, we VOTE to keep those kinds of European neighborhoods OUT of our communities.
I live in America and we have many suburbs that have walkable neighborhoods- where everything is closer together. It depends on the suburb, the city, and which part of the country you are in.
Have you ever been to the US or do you go by what you only see in videos?
It's true that there will be variants in every country, but I don't think it's fair to pull up the OP for making a comment about what was seen in this video (which conforms to much of what is seen on US TV programmes) and asking if they are basing their comment only on what they have seen in the video. Of course they are.
If this is a generalisation, or stereotype, then point it out, but don't criticise someone for not having seen US suburbs for themselves. After all, any of us could go to one place in America and say, "Yes, I have been," but that doesn't mean that we will know everything about US suburbs from one visit.
Just as there are numerous stereotypes about the UK that we see repeated on US TV and films - most Americans will take them as being representative because they wouldn't have any experience to know any different.
And, again, one good or bad experience cannot be completely informative. Nevertheless, it's human nature to go by first impressions.
@@patrickwoods2213 I get you, I never have been but also assumed that obviously you have more bad and better or good places with better zone mixing. It just seems that by default however you have policy that favors cold mundane suburbs that force you to have or use a car if you want to get anything done - in a lot of places.
Most old or palatial houses and smaller in Germany were flattened in World War Two and were completely rebuilt, giving ample possibilities for excellent work following great design!
A lot - though by far not all - European suburbs started out as their own little villages who eventually were swallowed up by the cities - meaning they have a small town center of their own. These suburbs often also have their own sense of community as a "town within the town". More, you couldn't make them totally car-centered if you wanted to, because the layout of at least the oldest part of the suburb predates cars and was never meant to accomodate them. Any solution will always have to be a compromise.
In Midages the standard europe home contained a house for multi generations, a garden for crops, an animal shelter, a pasture, a workshop, a storage. So the home could sustain itself. During the Industrialisation some things moved out, leaving a single house. But the people kept the tradition. So today most single houses contains some sort of garden, often a workshop to repair household items, and storage space, partial used as parking lots. We collect rain water to pour the plants, often use solar energy in combination with energy storage systems, and some are collecting bio waste on a compost. We plant tree for fruits in our garden and harvest vegetables in our glasshouse. Its basicly a diverse ecosystem for small animals.
In the US, they have HOAs and city codes which would ban most of the things you mention. For a country supposedly the Land of the Free, they do like to be regulated.
I know in the netherlands if they make plans to build a new neigbourghood they always take into account schools and a grocery store on a walking distance
Except when they build he ugly Vinex neighborhoods.
US suburbs are dormitories, European suburbs are neighbourhoods. When looking for a suburban house, I looked for facilities like bus or train services, schools, shops, and a decent pub. I don't mind if there's some social housing, or if my neighbours aren't all white British. US seem to prefer homogenous ghettos.
Sorry, but the suburb has more peace of mind than the multiculti ghettoes that europe has created and now is running from.
The USA was built on the philosophy of rugged individualism. That has instilled a go-it-alone, the hell-with-the-next-city culture and a majority of Americans are happy to go about their business having as little to do with their dense central cities as possible. In one aspect you are right - I and my black neighbors on either side of me absolutely want to keep out the undesirable trash from moving in, so all of us will CONTINUE to keep ANY dense, mixed-use development OUT of our suburb.
The irony is that doing a healthy mix of social classes and type of people can often prevent ghettos forming. I've been through German no-go areas in the middle of the night at and past mid-night. They are a (often literal) walk in the park compared to US Ghettos on average I dare say. Because even in our rougher areas - on average - there is some sort of mix or social policy that prevents it becoming worse.
One example I can think of is you want to avoid putting specific migrants/immigrants/refugees who are also economically or socially 'weak' (struggling, at disadvantage, etc) all in one area in terms of housing and make incentives to spread them around. Many will behave/not be an issue. But for those who may be, you surely do not want to put them all in one area as the synergetic effects will then impact that area more massively than if you'd divide people and mix them around so they can better integrate into a mostly working social environment.
In "ghettos", the negative effects multiply and make it worse for more than if you were more so in a socially cohesive and orderly environment, encouraging you to stick with that and not act out or (if in ghetto) be encouraged to act out because it's seen as normal.
But simplified but you get my gist.
@@Unknown-ek1ox Americans absolutely get your gist, and sorry, but in most of the USA we also absolutely have our areas divided by economic stratification. If anything my black neighbors are even more anti-social mixing than I am. Both I and my black neighbors on either side of me put-up with terrible work-life balance jobs to make ourselves middle class just so we could move AWAY from those who had no desire to do anything but stay on the dole or commit crime. When areas of the central cities begin to revive, mixed-social neighborhoods get destroyed by the PEOPLE, despite government attempts to force social-mixed housing. Google "gentrification" to see what I mean.
The channel he mentioned - Not Just Bikes, is top quality. A Canadian living in Amsterdam does deep dives into how other places are far better than what he was used to in N. American countries. Well worth dipping into.
The video shows pictures of a suburb in Leipzig in Germany which is the third largest city in East Germany I think (after Berlin and Dresden).
Bigger towns and cities often expand by "absorbing" neighbouring villages and towns. That brings the advantage that there's some well established infrastructure there already. New suburbs and quarters are built by filling gaps between communities. Completely new suburbs built from scratch can have similar problems though - at least in Germany. Only quite large expansions will receive a kind of community centre with shops and offices. However, you'll never find area being so generously left "unused"(ie. used just for a lawn, a few brushes and trees only). Even streets and roads need to be more narrow here. Europe, and particularly Germany, Austria, Switzerland and the Benelux countries are densely populated - ground is just too expensive for that usually.
Yet despite being more economic with using space urban development isn't without flaws and risks here too. Too much area is being used for single family homes. We're still building roads wherever we can in many regions, particularly in South Germany. Large shopping centres in peripherial areas and online shopping with quick delivery are putting more and more pressure on smaller shops downtown.
My home, Venice FL, was designed more like Europe in the 1920’s. It went bankrupt in the 30’ and did not recover until 60’s. Then it exploded with America style superb. At the turn of the century “New Urbanism” came into vogue. It is basically the European model. Groups in Venice helped bring back the original plan. We made it very bike friendly. Golf carts are very popular. I look at is EV’s where they are needed. It actually gets a lot of people who are against EV’s to buy one; please don’t tell them. Please come and visit, we also have some fantastic beaches. You can see a working model of an Americanized European suburb.
Hi Joel, we live in a village in northern Germany and I like that the houses haven`t been dismantled so much, but you still have your garden and space so that its not too cramped. There is a good relationship in our neighborhood and people help each other.
Just watch the "Not Just Bikes" video he recommended. Less political, but so true
Agreed. If this a topic of interest for you "not just bikes" is a good channel to watch in general. He (as far as I know) is the one who coined the term "stroad"
@@AragonTigerseye Actually "Not Just Bikes" spreads a LOT of false information. Actually, in the USA, it is the suburbs with their spread-out housing & retail that pays MUCH higher taxes to keep the densely built central cities operating. The cities tax the money earned by non-residents, as well as a very good portion of our local road taxes. So, for your information I HAVE paid for 40 years to keep those stupid dense neighborhood communities going. Despite that I will STILL keep ANY dense mixed-use area from MY suburb.
I'm living in the suburbs of Berlin and Frankfurt am Main almost my whole life. I was born near Berlin, then moved to Rheinland-Pfalz and Hessen for 10 years and then came back to Brandenburg/Berlin 13 years ago. I never want to live in a big city, but always in the suburbs, cause you've all the goods like the S-Bahn, cinemas, theaters and all other events and bigger shopping spots reachable in 30 or 45 min, but without the bad things like constant traffic noise, places packed with too much people, trash etc. around my place to live. When I look out of my window, there is the historic city wall of my hometown and behind that is a meadow for horses and sheep's. So, I can go to a festival and enjoy being around people and having fun and then I go home and enjoy peace and quiet in the garden or enjoy a day at a nearby lake. Best of both worlds 😎
As a Swede myself, the American and European suburbs definitely are different to one another, however, one perk that the American suburbs has is that their houses is much bigger, and can have more things stockpiled in the garage etc.
One more thing, if I had the money, I would definitely buy a property, and build a 2-story American Home (With Basement) with a 2-door garage as well.
What use is a big house if you are never home because you have 2 or 3 jobs ?
Yep! The maker of the video is rather outspoken in his opinion! Correct, but quite black-white....
Sometimes you need a cold shower to wake up.
In general, European suburbs are more walkable, divers, compact, which leaves open space outside the city.
Great suggestions in the end! If you want changes, you have to rally and fight for them!
This is so important. Yes there is a problem but it can be solved. One thing is to vote blue 💙 in every level. Why? Biden wants to bring back the good old times when Americans had walking cities with tram service and buses and free healthcare for everyone etc. Biden wants to get the money away from the billionaires to benefit everyone. European way 👍 Greetings from 🇫🇮
For everyone's information - In January 2024 the city of Eastpointe, Michigan proposed a road diet to make a five-lane highway (2 in each direction plus a turn lane) into a three-lane road. This was to be the start to make the communities more like Europe. Approximately 75% of the populace, INCLUDING almost all the millennials & gen z attacked this plan. There were protests, threats of legal actions by businesses and letters & emails to the state highway dept. Finally on March 19, 2024 the city relented and voted to reverse its plans and signed a contract on March 31, 2024 to merely repair the five-lane highway to keep it as it is. Most of the people who forced this reversal are people of color and young working-class families. It seems they like things the way they are.
IMHO, the point is not to make driving as slow as walking, the point is to develop the (infra-)structure of the city in a way to make driving optional. When I visit a city that is making driving actively hard, I do my best to leave as quickly as I can. In a city that is giving me options, I'll happily doodle around with a bike, an e-scooter, or public transportation. (I'm looking at you, Freiburg! If you live there and have everything you need, great. Visiting? Not so much...)
Six months ago, I tried travelling by train to a training. If you travel to the training and then just back, it's probably great. If you extend your trip and need something other than business attire and/or leave the destination city center, good luck! Next trip will be by car again.
Funfact from South Africa: After the Soccer world championship in Cape Town, they suddenly had a bus system. OHH we will suffer, cried the taxi drivers, all the people will take the bus.
Today, the rich people from the suburbs take the bus, so to have time to read the Financial Times, keep their expensive cars safe at home. Tho poor people mostly still take the shared taxis, because it is cheaper for sharing with 5 to 10 others. Our tour guide told us this story and he lives there.
You, be safe.
Elmar from Germany
That was great! Thanks for raising awareness.
Living in a suburb but in a very densely populated area in NRW and I love the fact that it's somewhat idyllic here and I can go to the farmer to buy vegetables by bicycle if I wish but also go to big cities by tram or train within 15-30 minutes (depending on the city). And still we have a variety of supermarkets, restaurants and everything you need in daily life that I can just walk to from my home within 10 minutes.
I live in a post war, northern English suburb. Four different bus routes within 5 mins. walk. I can walk to the town center in half an hour, a main line rail station on those bus routes or walk in 25 mins. My local park is 50m away. Four supermarkets within 10 mins. walk. 8 take ways as well.
So am I envious of the USA? Guess.
Hy there from Leipzig ❤❤
Never owned a car in my 34 years of life. I go everywhere by bus, train, tram or bike. There are 5 different groceriestores in walking distance to my flat plus two parks and a forest. Not two cities are the same, every district here and every town in Germany has its unique style. thats why I often do trips by train to explore the old town centers of places like Erfurt, Weimar or Dresden. Oh and we have lots of Wildlife in our cities too. I just saw a beaver the other day at the river.
I love Germany (I live in Antwerp).
The entire concept of suburbs is alien to me. We don't have a lot of these type of living environments in the Netherlands. Transport to nearby cities and other municipalities is in general good by bicycle, car and public transport, and most facilities are close by anyway. The financial part of the US suburbs will kill them eventually, but it could take a long time.
There are some areas like suburbs here, but they need to have public transort connections or nobody would move there or they wouldn't be approved in the first time.
Often smaller villages around big cities get integrated or act like a suburb. I live in such a village and I have some minutes to a bus station, 10mins to a S-Bahn or train station. 10mins by bike to the next supermarket.
I guess you have what I in the UK would call a suburb. It would be a district or area of a city with its own centre with some local shops and other facilities, surrounded by a residential area, with maybe a business park or industrial estate nearby.
@@katrinabryce You're right, but I personally never referred to these as a suburb, although if you look at the word, it's probably more accurate than what is being called a suburb in the US. Thank you, never thought about that.
Import enough immigrants, and you will have USA/SA type suburbs soon enough. Once you are forced out of your city, you will have zero choice.
Yea the difference is, the Netherlands is the size of Phoenix while the US is the third largest nation in the world, we have room to spread out and most Americans would rather have a huge house and yard
I live in a seaside town Southern England & LOVE small town life. I've not long moved to a large new building estate on the outskirts & amenities will come in time, however the beach is a 25 min walk away with plenty of coffee shops, restaurants, deli's etc with two gorgeous parks en route, & a bus every 15 mins if you need to go to the town centre.
If I'd walk around a usa suburb for 25 mins I'd probably get two houses down
You know, I live downtown. By US standards it would BE a town, here it’s a big city. The kids from downstairs come up here freely, on their own, as does one of their cats. It’s like that :)
Whereas there was that notjustbikes vid about a guy in Canada getting sued over letting his kids go to school on their own, using the bus, for being an irresponsible parent. Yeah, he got reported for it. Dystopian 1984 to us, good citizenship over there. George Orwell wasn’t done yet.
A suburb where kids can’t or aren’t even allowed to play in the street is hell on earth.
I really enjoy your thoughtful, inquiring videos as you open your eyes to other places and ways of doing things. One thing I would like to know about though is that in the suburbs you have all that land, but it is not used. I'm sure someone from the UK would be planting and growing vegetables, having a few chooks on that land, not to mention flower beds and shrubs. My local estate had an ethos when new of the fronts being open plan grass, as in the US, but over the years hedges walls and fences have been erected to enclose their precious spaces, and keep them clear from dog's mess, or other incursions from strangers.
I live in a suburb 7.5 miles from Manchester city centre. It's a ten minute walk to a big supermarket and other shops, doctors surgeries, cafes etc. Buses are every ten minutes into the city centre.
In Norway, for a long time, neighborhoods with single-family homes were built outside the city centers, but many of these were built with rental options in the basement, so you got all kinds of people in the same neighborhood. Provision was also made for play areas, access to nature and grocery stores, schools and nurseries in large neighborhoods that were more than walking distance from the town centres.
These neighborhoods may resemble American suburbs, but there was always a driving zone with a speed limit of 30 km/h and a bus connection. The plots are much smaller than in American neighbourhoods, so contact with the neighbors occurs naturally. Because of the low speed limit, children can play in the streets.
In recent years, it has become more common to build low rise apartment buildings in these neighbourhoods. This can happen because construction companies buy up homes with larger properties in the same neighbourhoods. Often these are properties from old farms that sold land to the neighborhoods when they were built. In that way, the neighborhoods are densified. In the new low-rise blocks, provision is made for commercial activities in addition to housing, so bakeries, cafes, restaurants, pharmacies and the like can be established close to where people live. There will be more potential bus passengers, but at the same time the possibility is maintained for people to own and use cars from the neighbourhoods. The apartment buildings are usually built with parking facilities in the basement.
The way Norwegian neighborhoods are developing can be transferred to American suburbs, but there must be someone pushing for the changes, as mentioned in the film.
Because the properties in American neighborhoods are often large, apartment buildings can be built on the lot of one or two houses, especially if you lower the speed limit in the area around the building, so children can play in the streets.
USA zoning laws were not mandated by some faceless politicians, but rather at the demand and insistence of the local populace. It is the local PEOPLE who created the rules and who insist that they be kept and even made stronger too wanted to ensure that none of the undesirable people they moved away from lived near them so they limited the height, arrangement of each building as well as the number of families that could live there. It was the local PEOPLE who demanded and made sure that wide streets many times WITHOUT sidewalks were built, because it made their new homes less inviting to random people who walked instead of those who had enough money to buy vehicles.
the city i work ( not living )....you have suburbs there, you get everything in them...no need to leave it!
here, the kids learn to ride a bike, to drive it for a long life..
in the USA you learn to drive a bike, so your parents can say you can do it, too!
I live in the Netherlands, in a residential area and on the other side of the road at the end of the neighborhood are offices, hardware stores, furniture stores, gyms, indoor playground and more companies. Because there are many trees and other plants, you can hardly see the buildings. During lunch hour I always see small groups of people who work in those offices taking a walk through my neighborhood. Because everyone knows that sitting at a desk all day is very bad for your health. Rain or shine they always take a walk here.
in Italy until the 1980s, at least, the principle of decentralization existed, prohibiting the opening of new sales points too close to others with the same economic reason, thus encouraging traders to disperse throughout the city rather than all gathering in the city center . Now we are becoming Americanized, facilitating large-scale distribution and suffocating small and medium-sized traders.
All the neighborhoods of my city had at least one theatre, a couple of single-hall cinemas, and various entertainment, sports and cultural venues; everything within walking distance. Now there are supermarkets in theaters and cinemas are multi-screen cinemas. Thus the money does not remain in the economic fabric of the city, circulating and creating social wealth, but goes to the few super-entrepreneurs who own the chain stores, who perhaps live in the Cayman Islands, and the city will never see a cent of the investment made by its citizens
It's even difficult to refer to the term "suburb", because it's so different. Here those places are just independent towns, which have grown together with a larger city - and these towns also have grown to a city-like density, which automatically (!) leads to infrastructure.
I immediately recognized the city of Leipzig (the area where I live) in the references he used. While he's mostly correct, there are still some suburban areas that have fallen off the map and are hard to get to or away from. Public transport isn't as dense everywhere and other conveniences like safe bicycle routes are also not always available. Also if you are into a specific sport you may still find yourself driving across town if a local sports club isn't offering training or doesn't have the necessary facilities and equipment.
It is an interesting point that the suburbs only reinforces the "woman stays at home and is dependant" concept.
I live in one of quiet residential areas from the 30ties, 90% detached houses with gardens(each very different), 3 schools, 2 student hostels, 3 min bus and tram stop and a small supermarket, 2 cafes, 2 pubs, 1 restaurant, 5 min a swimming pool and nice hill with playgrounds for kids and an observatory on the top of the hill. I sometimes wish there were more shops and stuff, but hey, the city centre is 10 min by tram and 20-30 min walk.
Compared to the US, I have it pretty good.
@caroline4323 - You are so wrong. Women who live in American suburbs have their own car, which gives them more freedom than a European. They either drive to work or are busy driving their children to school activities. If they don't like the stores closest to their home, they can drive to another area.
What I like about the american suburbs are the large green spaces and the many trees, it's like living in a park.
A lot of green is private land. So yeah, it looks nice but you really cannot enjoy it as you cannot walk around in it. The European model is more to have actual community parks or recreational areas everybody can visit and keep the ground around housing to a modest dimension. This also has to to with the amount of available land area. But really if you build wide and with separated zoning you tend to become more car dependant.
It's such a difference. Here in the Netherlands even in the planned suburbs which emerged from the 1920s onward there was and is always a place for a local shopping street or center, there are schools, there are children's playgrounds.
Houses are closer together, but what is the advantage of the large yards in the US when people don't actually use them and only have a lawn? And houses in Europe are mostly better sound insulated and fire resistant from the outside so these aren't concerns about building houses as 2 family houses, terraced houses or medium rise buildings.
Also it doesn't make sense why the streets in American suburbs are so wide, even when cars are parked on both sides there is enough space to speed trough with two full size trucks, creating danger and noise.
In European suburbs the streets are often just wide enough to allow two cars to pass each other just and when cars are parked at the roadside you often have to stop in a gap between the parked cars to allow an oncoming car to pass, this forces drivers to keep their speed down and creates a safer and quieter environment to live in. The access roads leading to the suburbs are often planned in a way so that no trough traffic goes trough the neighbourhoods.
There is no 'European Dream' - we're awake.
"Type Ashton" made a very goog video on US building/construction laws and regulations of subburb developments
In Australia the suburb I live in is surrounded by National Park/bushland and includes a little shopping centre and additional shops near the train station. Most of the suburbs seem to have their own shopping centres, doctors, dentists etc. We can drive, take a train or bus to the bigger Shopping Centre that is convenient for all the surrounding suburbs where you can get just about everything. The CBD (Central Business District) is where you go to the theatres for shows etc or to find that specialist shop. The US suburbs we see seem to be so empty of vegetation/trees which over here are encouraged as it contributes to the wildlife and air quality.
I had no idea. Good video 👍
I think Oulu in Finland has the best idea this far: in case bicycle way and street or road must intersect, it's *always* the car that gets "yield to everything" sign. Bicycles and pedestrians will always get priority.
This is the underlying difference to the USA. In the states, cars have always the priority over everything else.
That is false. Pedestrians have the right of way in the USA.
@@reindeer7752 You mean that pedestrians have the right of way in *every* intersection in the USA?
The large distances between houses in the USA, also causes a more expensive grid for utilities.
Thanks again for sharing
I live in an average german village, with 3.700 inhabitants. We have got a pharmacy, doctors, 3 dedicated bakeries, a butcher, a greengrocers shop (also selling fresh baked goods and some fresh sausage/meat), a flower/gardening shop and a small discounter, as well as 2 restaurants and a Döner bar. We have got 2 kindergarten and 1 primary school for our village (and host the middle school for the local community of 6 villages/11.000 inh. altogether). For recreation there is an open air pool in summer, the dual purpose sports hall of the middle school and little bit outside 2 open air soccer fields. We have got 1 train station, the next (2) towns are 15 minutes by local train in each direction, the next village is about 3-4 minutes by train or car, or 7 minutes by bike. At the next village there is 2 more (bigger) discounters, a supermarket, dedicated drug store, more doctors etc. if you need more, you will head for the town(s). The train is supposed to run every 30 min in each direction, at peak hours with an additional train, but sadly the schedule has a lot of hiccups. With the new „Germany ticket“ you can ride all (short distance) public transport in Germany for only 49 € ($ 52,50) / month.
I have realised that everywhere I have lived (12 different places) from my childhood to now in my seventies I have lived within easy walking distance of a shop where I can get essentials. I have lived in very nice places as well, not all in the UK, but Australia too. I now live in a village in the Cotswolds, not one of the Chocolate Box ones, but still delightful, and mine is one of the few which has a shop and schools, a dentist, a garage, a Chinese Takeaway, a hairdressers, a doctor's surgery and a pub where you can eat out in. They have all been under risk in the last years, due to Covid, Lockdown or low birth rate, but a new estate was built which was fought against but the plus side was it enabled all these facilities to survive. Other villages are more like dormitories for the wealthier people. People are railing against the idea being mooted of 15 minute cities but in a way that is what I live in. I'm not a prisoner, I can go elsewhere and often do, but I don't have to nip out for miles to get a pint of milk.
You have to look at not just bikes, it has also about suburbs in the Netherlands
I'm living in a suburb of Bern, Switzerland (Europe) and it's just like we saw in this video. You can go everywhere with public transport, the next stop is 2 or 3 minutes away from your home. Only if you want to transport some heavy stuff you need a car. If I need a car I can hire one very cheap. This is basically the case in every city in Switzerland (> 2000 people). A tram / cable car is only available in towns over 100'000 people, though.
Hey MoreJps, the suburb Leipzig that is mentioned in this video is my hometown. And I would say it's more of a city than a suburb, but we definitely have many suburbs around the city. It's pretty cool to have mostly a walk of a maximum of 10 minutes to a train station. But I personally prefer the bike cause the city is well constructured for it and it's still getting improvements. And as most cities in Germany it's really pedestrian friendly, that's why I can easily walk to my friends and enjoy walking with them in a park. So these are my experiences as a German living in Leipzig. I really like your videos, even these not about Germany, cause it's cool to gain more knowledge with you about the world :)
Great reaction in a good video. Thx.
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The other difference between American and European suburbs is that in European suburbs, you know and are friendly with those who live around you. You meet each other walking or cycling or taking public transport.
Americans are insular, not gregarious. They have big homes in large plots of land, you go everywhere in your car, not speaking to anyone who lives in your street.
In a lot of Danish suburbs the neighbourhoods are also connected by walking and biking paths that makes a seperate network from the streets, so children can often bike or walk to school, sports and their friends without getting on or near a road.
Our suburb resembles more US suburb, but with the difference that bike and pedestrian access is totally different, and they are also designed for public transport. The houses are WAY smaller, about 2/3rd to half US house, the yards are smaller too, so they are fairly dense in terms of population, pun both not and intended. Here in Finland, forest is the main difference, you got small batches of forest absolutely everywhere. I was lucky that i had some 4km of forest in my backyard when growing up. Now that is 2km, the city grows all the time but the way things are built leaves a lot of forest between neighborhoods and inside them. That is very important for attracting people to move to suburbs, it has to have a ton of trees and some forest within stone throws distance away. Third of Finnish cities are green areas, forests and parks.
The stupidest thing is that most of Finnish suburbs were built using the government loan, and that had visual requirements, each neighborhood had a visual "code" of sorts that made for ex not possible to have 6 red houses with exactly the same layout. It also limits choices but what it does is that it makes them diverse. So.. authoritarian government rules leads to grey blocks? Look at new US suburbs.. same houses, over and over again. There is WAY more variance in 80s Finnish suburb built during the most strict building codes in its history than there is in 2024 US suburb. Way more.. You got all different color houses, you got white brick, red brick, board siding, plaster, dark roof, light roof, tiles, sheet, 2 story, away from the road, right beside the road, L shape.. The variance that the very ordered system created did work and those suburbs are the best. Where as free market capitalism made US suburbs the most monotonous burbs in the world, apart from maybe Qatar... that has its suburbs modeled after US suburbs but by an incompetent government looking for easy solutions instead of your know.. STUDYING the topic and asking experts about it.
Newer suburbs are more and more car dependent... and single family zoning is the predominant zoning method for suburbs... Guess has the conservative right wingers been in the halls of power for multiple decades now, along with centrist conservatives...
There are older suburbs like that in the USA, for example around pre-car cities like Boston, that were built with the density to support street car systems. However, they are rare and often very pricey since they have walkability, are scarce and have proximity to the city core. Sadly most of them wouldn't be allowed to be built under most current zoning regulations.
As a german I just Love those American suburbans … I don’t know why but they are big , spacious and grand ! Everything looks similar nice and clean … I just love that 😂 I come from Lower Saxony and lived most of my live in Villages that are 800-1000 years old … the roads here go up and down like a rollercoaster 😂 super narrow streets , … and where I grew up there where a lot of New Home Areas build in the 90s that look way more flat and straight … and I just loved walking those streets … there was a huge flat area of grass between two lanes of road for the power lines … I just loved playing there as a kid in the summer with friends … there was a part uphill and walking it up you couldn’t see much because it was so flat and ontop you saw a U shaped Area for richer people … it was super quiet up there , and you could look down the street into the village , we drove it down every summer with our bikes trying to get The furthest without using the paddles…
i think there are many oversimplifications here. the look of an european suburd depends on how old that part of the city is. in most european cities the prices of the houses in the downtown are rising constantly, so there is a tendency for younger people to buy houses outside of the center. this results in big housing projects in the backyards of large cities, but becuase this happens in a very large scale and very quickly, most of these newly built suburbs lack many basic ameneties (ie. doctor, kindergarten, local restaurants, shops etc.). in many cases the roads to these suburbs from the city center are narrow, the public transportation is not yet available everywhere and most of the people work far from their home, so they choose to commute by car, so there is not an urgent need for developing pedestrian-friendly shops and local entertainment, because the car is an easy choice for everyone. the parents of my wife live in such a suburb, and there only last year opened a shop which is open in weekends (and this suburb is 40 years old). an other big problem is the corruption. because there is a demand for these houses local politicians can make a big money if they "have a good relationship" towards building entrepreneurs. these kind of projects don't bother the already local people, not until the roads get crowded and the water services begin to falter, but this happens when the houses are already built, the politician enjoys their pension and no one can be held responsible.
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There are downsides to suburbs on both continents so I suppose it’s about what you wish to prioritise; the freedom/need to be able to drive anywhere you wish or the freedom to be able to choose a different range of transport options even though each of those options have different limitations.
Living in a relatively small, overcrowded island geographically forces you to compromise on where you can live and the kinds of buildings and social/commercial activities that may be happening right on your doorstep.
I absolutely loved the walkable aspects of Germany. But still needed a car quite a bit as I traveled. I would have missed out on so much had I not had a car and needed to rely on public transportation. In the US, I live in a small suburb more on the rural side and it’s very lovely, peaceful, clean and safe. I do have a grocery store nearby that I can ride my bike to.
Well, in the U.S., when moving, attention is paid to how good the security is, and how the highways are accessible. In Europe, in most cases, attention is paid to what the infrastructure is like.
Are shops, doctors, schools nearby, are leisure facilities nearby or quickly accessible, how is the transport connection, etc.
At most, you move to an area where, like in the USA, there is nothing at all if your workplace is nearby, or the house is dirt cheap or you have inherited it.
And that in one place there is really nothing at all, it means that it is a tiny village.
I live in a suburb of 3000 people, here there are doctors, a fire brigade, sports clubs, shopping, a primary school and two kindergartens. To reach the secondary schools, the older children travel a quarter of an hour by public school bus, or by regular bus.
Everything is either within walking distance, or by public transport.
I live in Denmark and we mostly ride a bicycle in city's and suburbs or use public transportation.
Cars are very expensive because there is extra taxes when you buy one and public transport is easy to get to but also rather expensive (in my opinion), many combines it so you bike to busstop or train stations and leaves your bike there. Many trains also have the possibility to let you take the bike with you for an extra fee
We have bike roads in every town and city so it is normal to see a parent with a child about 7 years old is out in the city traffic leaning them how to get around so they can go to school by them self.
Also all other bicycle is being patient and take extra care when they observe or pass in these situations.
BUT if you are an adult and go on the bicycle road and don't paid attention to a bicycles, you will possible be getting some strong looks or worse from the ones that ride a bike
Road raging is not just for cars...
zoning system doesn t allow more mixed area in subburbs where there are little services that limit car use.
Speaking of - to live on a big foot.
In our country, a person inhabits an area of around 45 square meters on average. In the USA the average is 75 square meters/person.
Your country's area is approximately 225x larger than ours.
So i think the available space is also a reason why you tend to build wider. We tend to build higher, with several residential units in one building and closer together.
And so it would cost too much to ensure trains or buses/trams everywhere... As already mentioned in the video you showed... Too far apart from each other.
But I'll still come visit the USA in the next few years 😁😉
I think the key word here is : zoning laws. The problem when space is not at a premium and distance is less relevant when everybody drives is that there are relatively few stakeholders and the decision-making becomes naturally top-down. You are cutting off nobody from driving to a bit of nature, don't have to worry about public transport and building more services right away, it would be a hassle and a waste of money and time. But it won't lead to well-planned cities that facilitate walking.
looking forward to the not just bikes video!
4:47 you may be laughing at "mommy and daddy taxi service" but let me tell you, growing up in austria? i'm veeeery familiar with the sentence "take the bus, i'm not your taxi service". i'd hear that from my parents all the time whenever they didn't feel like giving me and/or my sibling a ride. other terms that are in use include "mama-taxi" and "papa-taxi" (i've definitely said sentences along the lines of "i'm not taking the tram today, i get to use the dad-taxi instead" or "i really gotta go now, the mom-taxi is waiting for me" → that second sentence is vital because you don't keep your parents waiting when they are so kind to pick you up by car so you don't have to go home via public transport)
uhm .... google maps should give you a 3D street view on german cities and suburbs. The map usually should come with al tram and bus stops as markers. And then google the city name with ÖPNV as an acronym for public transport ( you can create Ö on an american keyboard layout with ALT 153 and ö with ALT 148). There you can get the tram and bus routes plus in which rhythm they go the loops. Here, 120 km west of Berlin, a 220.000 capita city we got 10 minutes frequency for each line during the day, 20 mins in the evening, 1 hour during late night. For the suburbs the frequency is a bit worse. The bus line to the suburbs will stop after 2.a.m. and start again 4:30 a.m. or so. all distances are walkable and one even can take a bike on the tram if it's not rush hours.
Not sure that the european models will ever fit on the distances to cross in the US though, thats what I learned from this vid. Thanks for sharing.
13:41 so I live in what we call a village in the Netherlands. You would probably call it a suburb because it’s not a city but for me it feels more like a small town although it is near a city. Downsides are that city conveniences are not as close or easily obtained but comparing to what I see from the states it’s actually not that bad. I would complain about public transport but then again we get a bus into the city 8 times an hour and more during rush hour. Everything is bikeable and food shops and small convenience shops are a 3 minute walk from my place. I don’t have as much space as a place in the suburbs in the US seems to have but I honestly wouldn’t know what to do with that much space. I think that’s also to do with what you grow up with and get accustomed to.
I totally recommend the video by not just bikes, they make seriously great content (even if it’s a bit Dutchie centered :p).
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In Balkan countries, cities were build to be surounded with the agricultural villages around it. Those villages provide food for that city by selling their produce and home made products every week in farmers markets. That type of urban planing was decided in 1800 hundreds and everyone who wanted to relocate and start up a farm and agriculture were given free land. Sadly these days villages are getting empty and younger generations are moving to the cities.
I think a smart Park&Ride system might be a solution to the US problem. One or more centralized stations (depending on the size of the suburb) with huge parking lots or an underground car park. So you can drive the last miles comfortably in your car (or bike) and for the ride into town, you can take the train.
Or the better way, open the suburbs for small businesses, bring groceries, bakeries and other important goods into the suburbs and prevent traffic.
Car size is a different matter, do you really need an F350/Humvee/Escalade or Suburban if you live in a suburb?
Leipzig is one of the most beautiful citys in east germany!!!
Also think about the cost of maintaining all the road surface per head of population
First time I see someone reacting to something I never thought about and took for granted. (German suburbs)
By the way you analyse the video, the way you speak and react to parts of the video I feel like we could have been good friends if I were an American or you German.
Hello there. This guy uses my hometown of Leipzig for his video. So I know the area he's talking about. And I wouldn't call it a suburb. It may be an outlying part of town but very much part of it with houses mostly built pre war.
There are other parts farther from the city center that showcase the typical post war east german housing blocks. I'd call this a suburb but based purely on distance from city center. Everything else is pretty much the same.
And finally we also do have some more american style suburbs aka single family homes with little public transit nearby. Some people prefer that for sone reason...
New towns built after 2ww in the Uk were not planned too well but that can probably be put down to an urgent need for housing ,today in this country especially the need is to build up and good planning and architects who can forget about their signature and try for beauty and longevity for example plans should be that the ground and first floor square footage should be the footprint of a buiding plus (one ,two etc bedrooms then this will be the bottom house of a row of however many floors
this must come ,or something very similar because to keep building single houses and bungalows bumps the price of houses out of the reach of the lower paid ,these can also be used as family houses three and even four generations , it would help solve the housing crisis bring families together help the couples who wish to start families and slow the age gap that threatens many aspects of our way of life ,the predominantely way that houses are built seems to me is wrong ,large detached buildings with extensive gardens to maximise profit at the expense of space ,but the government will build the way it always has to justify the actual number primarily to prove it can be done ,madness
2:34 Here on the map, Leipzig is shown, specifically the districts of Alt West and Lindenau, which cannot be called suburbs. These are indeed urban areas, though not central. So, it's not quite an accurate illustration. As suburbs, one could consider the districts of Markkleeberg, Markranstädt, Rackwitz, Taucha, Großpösna, Schkeuditz, Krostitz, Böhlen, Borsdorf and Naunhof.