A Glorious Accident (5 of 7) Freeman Dyson: In praise of diversity
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- An interview with the British physicist Freeman Dyson. He is known for his research in quantum electrodynamics. He is also known for his fantastic imagination. In the Dutch television show A Glorious Accident (1993) six scientists talk about their visions on their work and the world. Journalist Wim Kayzer asks them: how far did you come in your understanding of our thoughts an actions? What did science really bring us at the end of the 20th century: knowledge or also understanding? Order the dvd-box of A Glorious Accident here: winkel.vpro.nl/een-schitterend...
Dyson's participation in the second world war is one of the most powerful and tragic stories I've ever heard. A brilliant and idealistic mathematician who was a Gandhian pacifist, who eventually ended up in bomber command responsible for the fire bombing of Dresden. It is extraordinary how honest and self aware Dyson is about this deeply tragic trajectory. He makes no excuses for himself. This made me cry. It is a story of how the brutal realities of the world slowly erode our convictions and principles, until we too find ourselves being those Auschwitz guards. It shows me just how fragile the better angels of our natures can be against the forces of Moloch and Yahweh and Azathoth, those blind or cruel idiot gods of war and sacrifice, even among the best of us. This deeply impacted me, and it reminds of just what we are up against. And in a way, it asks me to be far more forgiving, for we are only little people in the face of cosmic monsters.
Oh man the way he laughs just brings me life
LOVE the way you can see the keen intelligence and the Love of Life in his eyes.. they are ALIVE, in the best and most real sense of the word. He is completely remarkable.
That's cool and all, but did you take anything away from what he shared other than infatuation with his intellect along with every other superfluous thing you possibly could have mentioned.
@@nighthawkviper6791 fuck off
@@nighthawkviper6791 He was simply making a comment. If you want to comment on other things, go ahead.
altarego A wonderful description.
i like the way these documentaries are made.
RIP wonderful scientist
Interesting parallel between he and Richard Feynman in reevaluating their moral positions regarding whether or not to continue their efforts. Feynman had said he'd forgotten the original reason why he'd decided to work on the Manhattan Project which was the great danger that Germany would develop the bomb first. But when Germany was defeated, it didn't even enter his mind as to why he continued to work on the project since the original reason was no longer a factor. As Dyson mentioned, it was some form of inertia.
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I think it is a good deal simpler than that - R Feynman would have been recommended to his position by some academic - he was only 24 at the time he went onto the M Project. 2. If you tried to leave early, you'd be letting the side down. 3. If he or his family had any contacts with those fighting in the Pacific, there's a good reason to stay so the prospective bomb could be used to finish the war there. 4. You could not leave the Los Alamos site without formal permission and if the Military knew you intended to leave and not come back you'd likely be detained somewhere not too pleasant.
@@F_Tim1961 What you wrote has nothing at all to do with the point of my post.
I was so glad he mentioned Gerald Edelman, who clearly understands the difference between circuits and neurons.
Marvin Minsky said Freeman Dyson worked on some math problem Minsky had previously worked on with some success
Dyson generalized the problem and solved it.
Minsky read the proof and said he found it amazing that anyone could prove something so complicated and didn't believe anyone could be that smart.
So he gave up maths!
Freeman Dyson is one of my favorite human beings and is quickly becoming my No. 1. I think he is one of a few today who might, by his lasting influence, free-man from the tryranny of his own arrogant foolishness, denial of purpose (responsibility), and irreverance before the infinite wonder of a Universe we can never fully comprehend.
Sadly he died recently
I love his creative thinking, too. He didn't get caught up in assumptions or assumed truths that were widely believed.
@@firstal3799 And it was the beginning of his greater influence..I hope!
I liked the use and scene of the music in this interview.
this is a wonderful work
Interesting to compare Dyson's perspective on the bombings in the Gulf War to Stephen Toulmin's... kinda spooky to see the effect of the coverage. Toulmin saw them as a realization of what he and his contemporaries had predicted and laid the groundwork for. Whereas Dyson saw that the realization itself was a lie (or at least a great exaggeration).
oh the precision is getting better, god help us.
1:30:50 "Meanwhile, of course [Hiroshima] is a lovey place to raise kids, it has nice wide open streets ..."
Dating profile recognition circuit, activated.
I love that Sheldon Cooper laugh
Imagine living next door to this guy and him didn't like your loud music on the weekends......watch out!!!!
Love Freeman Dyson. Not sure about the stuff he said about the Japanese in the end though. And the stuff about of the bombings, definitely doesn't sound like pacifist or is like remorseful like Oppenheimer. But I guess he was only a bomb commander or a pilot or solider so he can only be whimsical and pragmatic about war.
We practical explorers, seekers of the law of physics and spiritual understanding, which we could better what is our true meaning as being seen as the mad hatters to those who do not favor these important topics...
you look like a mad hatter when you bring spirituality into it
Who's WIm
17:13 is the point to take home
Why silkworms? I don't get the reference
It was a way of discouraging conversation on the topic. He didn't want to send bombardiers out and didn't want to have to talk about it.
Plus, silk wasn’t as far removed from the war effort, as it was used in parachutes etc. So a perfectly good diversionary tactic altogether… 😏
Why are they playing participants' opinions of Freeman Dyson?
I think it obvious.We are not equipped to deal with our powers.
Remote controlled consciousness could be greatly expanded to allow us better exploration of other planets without the physical implications of martian terraforming and pioneering infrastructure to support our iterations of carbon life. We can initially have a non-stay plan of tentative exploration just to make the financial leadership suggestible to our plans. It's for their own good, ya see. They can't help themselves from destroying ourselves so we have to be the ones to take charge whether exo- or esoterically.
A BD bot w/oculus or vive controls on omni or move pad. Real time senses & telemetry. Capable bi-pedal bots conducting tertiary leadership to construction & specialty drones to terraform subterrannean infrastructure to eventually allow ease of contact for our terrestrial bodies to enter and subside in the Martian atmosphere. Create a civilization on Mars. NASA is too slow because the parasites have clung to it like they do our financial and geo-political infrastructure. A small team of JASON-Level scientists and a decent budget w/the contracting limitations lessee than GA and we could have interstellar travel mastered quite quickly. If we haven't, it would behoove us to deconstruct and master em field generation to help shield our planet from radiation but also to shield our spacecraft from debris, radiation, physical turbulence, EM interference, and whatever waits out there for us to be reflexive and proactive to/about.
1:26:20 😀
I think he is a humanist
Back then they still had diversity in science. Now it's climate alarm 'science' only..
It is a fact we're the best possible of many creations of Allaah. To quote but just one verse of the Word of the Creator from the Qur'an 17:70
"And We have certainly honored the children of Adam and carried them on the land and sea and provided for them of the good things and preferred them over much of what We have created, with [definite] preference."
lifes processes as guide for a toy universe.
I'll keep this simple short and sweet.........
Dark Energy Auv (a physical energy field of space) evolved the capacity to
regenerate itself (field-synthesis) It achieves this by exploiting a naturally
available and abundant energy potential of the void ( process unknown). However
this unknown physics of void generates (Dark Energy field).
Step 1. So now we have an energy field inhabiting space DE.
step 2. Now we take another step, and assume that DE is not only an exploiter
of an energy potential, but it becomes an energy potential which something else
can come to exploit. Like algae exploits suns rays, then algae is exploited by
krill. So DE field possesses an energy potential, which atoms evolve to exploit
for the purpose of driving atomic processes, explicitly atomic forces.
Do you feel you follow that? Baryon matter, atoms metabolize DE field to
generate atomic forces! Guv represents the field of space which is converted
into atomic forces Tuv. A reason why space curvature Guv shares an equality
with sum value of atomic forces Guv = Tuv. Its a simple energy conversion, a
simple scenario of cause and effect.
A scenario whereby atoms metabolize as DE as fuel to run their atomic
machinery. Analogous to an animals need for sugars to energize their metabolism
and molecular machinery. Natures solution, animals rob sugars from plants.
Baryons, atoms rob energy from DE.
This is why, on a universal scale the value of Auv closely matches sum total of
universal atomic forces Tuv.
Auv = Tuv because space possesses a regenerating field DE Auv, which Baryon
systems have evolved within and to exploit. Evolution providing the means to
explain complexity and finetuning of universal structures and processes.
DE had evolved to exploit a natural energy potential of void, and in turn DE
had become a natural energy potential which another entity (Baryon fields)
evolved to exploit. What connects all living things within Earths ecology is
either the ability to create sugar, or steel sugar. Baryons steel sugar from
DE.
Ask yourself the question, "what drives atomic activity/forces?" Is
it fair that we assume them causeless, while we observe their capacity for
perpetual work/force/activity?
So the common theme of both Baryon system and lifes system will be summarized
as................
Form/structure and behavior/agency evolved optimized for exploiting the natural
available energy potential that enables its existence. This draws attention to
the physical processes of the world that possess the agencies to build and
maintain ridged persistent structure. Rocks for example and the physical
processes (geo-chemistry) that form rocks. Or perhaps we might look at fusion
rates and heat process as an evolved system and finely tuned to enable stable stellar
process and form. Or the property of mass which evolved the agencies that
respond to gravitational fields in such a way, that enable stable galactic and
celestial bodies to form and maintain. Mass is a property of matter generated
by Gluons, and Gluons are a type of light, a force carrier. Light has the
capacity to propel through void, and so does Gluon mass. And mass directs Gluon
force/mass to build and maintain universal form/structure and
behaviors/agencies that are evolved and optimized for exploiting the natural
energy potential which enables its existence. Namely, the efficient harvest of
a naturally occurring energy potential of space Dark Energy Field Auv.
Galaxies being like jellyfish, drifting on the cosmological currents while
harvesting a process giving energy.
So the metabolism of DE and its conversion to atomic forces occurs on the
individual atomic scale (akin to lifes individual cells metabolism of sugar).
However the individual atomic systems evolved the agencies necessary to form
collective bodies, conceivably for the same general reason cells benefit from
participating as collective bodies. For entities that exist within a habitat
while competing for resource, there are benefits from being sophisticated,
large and powerful. If space itself is an energy giving habitat, within which a
baryon systems evolutionary cascade is taking place, then it is of vast stage
and energies for the unfolding of an evolutionary progression. An example of
Darwinian progression of truly awesome scale and potential.
Recapping just to make sure I get the message across.
Fish eat the krill to rob it of its sugars. (Baryons eat Dark Energy to rob it
of its energy)
Algae exploit the naturally available energy potential of the sun to create the
sugars. (Dark Energy exploit the naturally available energy potential of the
void "unknown process" to re-generate itself.)
The ecosystem and (universal system) are energy grabs, whereby entities are
either creating energy, or they're steeling energy. Each entity has an evolved
and optimized form and agency suited to exploiting a natural energy resource.
The ecosystem and wider universal systems are a series of grand thefts, which
sees links in the chain paying a price for being exploited by another.
I'll close with the statement.
Nature given a natural energy potential will invent a novel circumstance of
Darwinian emergence, of which we now know of two examples. One modest of Earths
life, and one universally grand. Summarized as Baryon forms and agencies
evolved optimized for exploiting an energy potential which enables existence
and proliferation. Highly articulated, complex and fine tuned forms have but
one method of creation. Darwinian processes are the only natural organisational
principle capable of such a task, fitting as Cinderellas foot for the glass
slipper.
Does this stretch your imaginings beyond breaking point? I do enjoy envisioning
this stuff
There is good diversity and there's bad diversity:
If diverse people don't agree on which side of the road to drive on there will be constant accidents.
It is not the diversity put the lack of acceptance of diversity that is the problem. Humans can be narrowed and wicked.
@@leyniaLip why should we have to accept diversity?
@@outsidethepyramid Thanks for your comment. it is good to question assumptions. I sure to be state now. No one needs to except anything. It is good to question everything. Diversity being a reality I wonder why are you find it unacceptable. There are diverse plants animals, just about everything I can think of. What is it that seems not right about it to you?
I have to rewrite that one of the sentences should have read "I should re-state". The reason I have to re-write things is that my keyboard covers what I have written/spoken.
@@leyniaLip you are racist
Dyson is brilliant. The interviewer is drab, serious, droning, lacking in the vitality of his interviewees.
Those qualities benefit the interview by allowing the person being interviewed to speak uninterrupted. If Wim were the opposite of every adjective you used to describe him, you'd still complain. It's you, not him.
Interviewer is intrusive if not downright disrespectful.
How so?
I never realized that this dude was so weird...
What a stupid word. Bureaucracy.
I always liked Freeman Dyson, but I'm afraid his SF ideas are childish and silly.
What is that?
You should have asked him about hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein at the Edge club.