What Happened to the Separatist Heartland After the Clone Wars?
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What happened to the Separatist Heartland in the years following the clone wars? What did the Empire do when they arrived on Count Dooku's homeworld of Serreno or the CIS capital of Raxus Secundus?
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That's actually a pretty cool design. Some thought went into that.
The Seps really got done dirty after the war
They were getting done dirty during the war too 🤔🙃
I hope we see more CIS Remnants in Bad Batch Season 2 as they continue the fight even after the deaths of the CIS leaders at Mustafar.
Gizor Delso FTW!
In the trailer we see Cody fighting battle droids so hopefully those are Separatist Holdout and not just some battle droids being used by some unrelated 3rd party
@@pupulauls it was
Epic!
I hope these former Separatists worlds are explored more in the period after the fall of the Empire. I can’t imagine they were all to thrilled about restablishing the Republic.
If I remember correctly in some of the newer books about the new republic, it talks about how the New Republic had to deal with the new Separatist alliance. As the new separatist movement was having border disputes with the new Republic
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Do you remember which books?
@@DrMutran aftermath series
@@MothMAN351 This sounds retarded, so I'm not surprised at all to find out this came from the Aftermath series
Yes. Tell Filoni
5:10 Legit Live Dooku reaction right there.
A certified bruh moment
I think I might never be bored with this idea: The Republic should be limited at just the Core Worlds while the places like the Outer Rim can be their own independent nation state.
A lot of Republic leaders didnt want to get caught up in the outer rim to begin with but so many of these worlds further out wanted protection from pirates, slavers, local empires or the Hutts domain.
@@theliato3809 If someone, not going to name any sith names, didn't want to rule the entire galaxy it would be easier to just allow an outer rim government like what the separatists wanted to manage their own problems.
The nation state as a concept wouldn't really work well on planetary or galactic sector scales, the amount of diversity is just too great for that concept to carry over. Not to say that galactic decentralization is a bad idea, just a nitpick that's incidental to your real point.
That’s… that’s not how politics works, it’s why the US wouldn’t let a state just leave the union, it’s not just about power it’s about control, if you have an organisation you can’t just let anyone leave because it would ruin the image of control.
But then who are they going to exploit?
I really want to know how the Imperial Officers become such corrupt, brutal and evil prior the fall of the Republic and how that started via in the Clone Wars shows tbh
I want to see a CIS version of the clone wars TV show
I really want this, an animated series in the same style as the Clone Wars showing the Separatist side of the war. Several episodes of the Clone Wars and the Bad Batch have already shown some of the good side of the CIS. These series keep portraying the Separatist as the "bad guys". My idea is to have the clone traitor Slick, who believed in freedom for himself and his fellow clones to come to terms with the fact the clones are not going to turn on the republic and he decides to escape prison and serve the Separatists as revenge. He could rise through the ranks and may even rival Grievous. The galaxy is big enough for them both to have their own stories considering General Kleeve has not been introduced so far. Then we can see Order 66 from the Separatists' perspective and the confusion it probably caused, as well the collapse of the government. Maybe this can also be where Admiral Rampart is formally introduced and where his rise can be shown, instead of being introduced so abruptly like he was so far. It could be a good place to show what happened to Cassian Andor's real parents since his planet was in the Separatist zone.
@@samuelstephen8147True not all Separatists were evil most were just ordinary people who were tired of the Republic's corruption.
@@samuelstephen8147 Realistically speaking neither the CIS or Republic were anythmore then Sheev's playthings.
@@LanMandragon1720 Of course, but we saw the Republic's POV, now I want to see the Separatists'.
Hate to break it to you all, but to all Separatist/CIS Fans out there you will hate Dave Filoni for this.
He has his focus on the Republic side of things than he does with CIS, literally. He flat out says he has no interest in expanding on how CIS operates because his focus was in Anakin’s story and the Republic side.
Sort of reminds me of Sherman’s March to the Sea in the US Civil War where Atlanta basically got stomped. Granted it was a strategic railroad hub whereas Sorreno just happened to be Dooku’s residence.
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Gigachad Sherman
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I really like where Star Wars productions have been going lately, because that 19BBY-0BBY timespan has been traditionally a dead zone in Star Wars
Me too.
These times are my favorite 😂
Seeing all this support for the rebels even though it's not even a real WAR is very annoying 😅
the warfare Material Expanded on it and the dark times series. seriously Imagine seeing the reconquest of the rim and the Empire absolutely going ballistic on the CIS is worth seeing rather than discount bing clone commandos
I’m just sick of seeing that time period. It’s interesting yeah, but it’s as if that’s the only story they want to tell, the events between episode 3 and 4. There’s more to Star Wars than just that. Like what happened between 6 and 7? Yeah we see it in the mandalorian but we have gotten little to nothing about the rise of the first order and the knights of Ren and smoke outside of comic books
@@Cmmdre977 like I want to see that shit after the writers didn’t give enough of a crap to tell us how that era got to be in the first place, which would really help with that trilogy‘s lack of continuity
If rebellion is in their blood , then they must be forced to bleed.
This is what happens when the bulk of your military power is controlled by a handful of oligarchs who can be eliminated (by their own leader). That was the entire point of using a droid army. Palpatine, in orchestrating the war as the leader of both sides, wanted to be able to simply turn off the CIS military once he had full control of the Republic. Since he could do that by having the military being entirely controlled by a small enough group to fit into a single conference room, it was simply a matter of sending Anakin to "take care of" the oligarchs.
Sound like the Russian military on its conquest of Ukraine.
Don't know how much more Star wars you can possibly bring us but please don't stop it's always nice to flip on CZcams and see a new Generation Tech video!
I really liked Wilco these episodes. He seemed so much more competent than the season 1 villains and I hope we see more clones like him. AND I CANT WAIT TO SEE HOWZER
Howzers return will be awesome
@@GenerationTech Are you he's still alive? What's the point a traitorous clone who is still alive? The whole tragedy about clones is that there are viewed as expendable. If the Empire barely tolerates dissent for its population, why would tolerate it for clones? I think it would be less complicated for the Empire to secretly stand Howzer before a firing squad and execute him than to reprogram him. Just look at how Admiral Rampart didn't hesitate to execute Wilco. I hope I'm wrong and that he is still alive, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.
It would've happened even without the Sith. Imagine that both Palpatine and Dooku died aboard the Invisible Hand due to say, the Guarlara hitting the tower before Anakin and Obi-Wan could get there. Both Sith Lords die, and Grievous takes control of the Confederate war effort. Anakin and Obi-Wan track him down to Utapau and kill him. Then the Republic launches a counter-offensive that leads to the Separatist worlds like Raxus Secundus and Serenno falling.
The Jedi and the Clones are not going to be happy campers by the time the war ends. By that time, they would've had to fight tooth and nail through one fortress world after another, and I can imagine that, despite all the Jedi teachings and all that training to be professional soldiers the clones have, they'll have ill feelings towards the people of the Separatist worlds, thanks to all the death and suffering that they'd have gone through while fighting the droid armies of the Confederacy.
By the time they get to Serenno and Raxus Secundus, the Jedi and the Clones will be out for blood and would happily shoot any Separatist who dares protest at the Republic presence in their worlds thanks to all the losses they've suffered. I can imagine many scenarios like what happened with Clem on Ferrix, or what happened with the rioters on Raxus; the Jedi and the Clones would try to paint themselves as the good guys, try to tell these people that they're not the enemy, the same MO the Empire tried to pull, but when the Republic forces get boos and rocks in their faces, after all they've suffered through in the war, they'll whip out their blasters and lightsabers and start downsizing the protestors by force.
I can also imagine the Clones and the Jedi would have no qualms about looting the richer Separatists to pay for rebuilding the galaxy after the war, so I can't see them just giving away Dooku's war chest back to the people of the Separatist worlds, especially after they VOTED to leave the Republic and they supported the Sep war effort.
Read “A Single Decision Take 2” brilliant story of the CIS without the Sith
I hate the depiction of Dooku being greedy and just a mustache twirling villain. Dooku in AotC was more regal and refined. He gave off vibes of joining the Sith in order to try and free the Republic from Sidious' clutches. Sad that's not how they went. Just to make him a villain similar to a Saturday morning cartoon villain.
That's the darkside. It corrupts. Dooku became the very thing he swore to destroy
Even in the dark disciple novel dooku is falling to the dark side more and more engaging in casual genocide to shock the jedi
@@Theruler091 true, yet his depiction in AotCwas felt more nuanced. Like he's "evil" yet it's only to prevent a greater evil. Adding an extra layer to him to make him a cartoon villain is just too much imo.
@@thimovijfschaft3271 that's just a very simplistic way of making a villain a villain, because he definitely had depth to be greater than that.
The Count should be more of an Tragic Anti-Hero, not a Cartoon Stereotype.
Remember how in Legends some of the Separatist would reactivate remnants of the Droid army to fight back against the Empire?
Palpatine also would want any and all sith artifacts dooku might have had in his possession and wouldn't want those relics to fall into the hands of his enemies.
Seeing these burned out tanks made me think. These aftermaths are rarely shown and even more rare to be discussed.
But it must have been like the battle for Berlin. With mass executions of civilians and brutalities like rape, pillage and plunder.
There are no Jedi left to fight a somewhat reasonable battle after all.
Clones probably wouldn't rape pillage and plunder but yeah pretty much
I grew up in Belgium. And when I was a kid in the 80s there were two spots where we could go and play on blown apart tanks from the second world war. I KNOW that one of these groups was German. Because that was the first time I remembered seeing a swastica on anything. There was stuff like all over. In fact a farmer's field behind our house had a cow "discover" an explosive in the pasture one day I while I was a school.
@@mud7941 Oh yes, I have heard about that mine problem of yours😅
Sorry we left the junk there😅
On the other hand an exciting adventure for a young boy. Venturing into a tank without a care, just taking it for a place to visit.
I miss those days, do you?
Love you Generation Alan ! Seriously your in depth analysis is the best in the business! Thank you
I really hope the Separatist holdouts are explored more in future episodes, I would love to see the Bad Batch work together with a surviving battle droid outpost as much as I doubt it'll happen. There needs to be an episode in the Bad Batch like the one in Rebels where Kanan, Ezra, Rex and Zeb worked together with General Kalani and his battle droids to escape the Empire.
What I wondered about Wat Tambore is, how'd he get out of republic jail for season 6 and ROTS
Thanks we are now getting to see what happens to the people left after the war.
How were Droids treated on Former separatist worlds
I can imagine the Empire stifling any form of self governance on these former Separatist core worlds after the war . I would later wanna see how Raxxus the seat of the CIS government is doing under Imperial occupation in the next season of the Bad Batch .
A cool what if scenario is what if the deactivation code failed and the droid army remained operational
Hey Generation Tech, will you be doing a video on Captain Wilco from the Bad Batch Season 2? I find his methodology and efficency to be proof that the Empire should've kept Clones around longer instead of phasing them out completly, and how his execution at the hands of a imperial officer trying to cover up his incompitence was probaly one of the worst choices any officer in the empire made.
The planet with the Crabs is the Zav Alox system and these crabs are called Vonduun Crabs. The native Aloxians was born very strong and many became child soldiers using these crabs as helmets in battle , at least one Aloxian was active in the jedi order in the high republic era.
i think it would be cool to see a battle of raxus at some point in a star wars show because there was such a large military presence and i think it would be a cool battle
I love your video keep up the good work
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It's Carrion Plateau, the Carrion Spike was the Stealth Ship from the Clone Wars
It’s interesting how Raxus was selected as the center for the Confederacy. I would think Serrano would be the capital due to Count Dooku being the head but I guess astrography is the main factor to decide this!
Also the fact the Cis senate was on raxus and raxus had much more in terms of infustructer
Also if it was on Sereno it would have amplified the idea that the count was the true power which would have made many cis citizens angry
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First time listing to your video on a headset... your voice is.... nice.
Hey man i always love watching your videos and i watch all of them trust me. You really are so unique in Star Wars youtube. I guess in youtube in general. So yeah thank you for your content its one of the most entertaining ever. if you show somethibg like the map of the galaxy and you talk about a specific planet/trading route/system maybe you could make it easier to recognize were it actually is. Maybe put an arrow or something on the mao when you talk about a planet because half of the time i couldnt find it by myself thanks. Knowing where the planets are is great to better ubderstand the galaxy so yeah
I finally watched the bad batch season 2 and I hope you do an episode on why all the clones are only in phase 2 armor including the LAAT pilots.
You seem to know a lot about star wars lore. I havea question. Why wasn't Skywalker tried by the jedi for executing dooku especially the way he did it by decapitation?
Because no one except Palpatine was there to see Anakin do it. Obi-Wan was knocked out when it happened so when he woke afterwards, all he really knew was that Anakin killed him. He didn't even get to see the body and Anakin probably lied about how it happened. Palpatine likely corroborated his story to cover him.
also after Operation durges lance and then the coruscant push the republic had very zero fuks to give about mercy and trials
Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please
I read a comment where someone said they didn’t like how Dooku was portrayed in the episode as it makes him a “mustache-twirling” villain. I guess they are somebody who wants more focus on Dooku’s heroic intentions when he turned to the Dark Side. I kind of like to see the opposite though. I want to see how Dooku goes from a guy who has to murder his friends in 32 BBY for the sake of the Sith plan to working alongside corrupt people like the Separatist Council, have war criminals lead his war effort, and just become…well, a Sith. I mean, so far in Canon nobody who delves into the Dark Side to the extent of the Sith comes out alright. At least the Nightsisters had each other, the Sith are just toxic. Dooku had his own sister killed, ensured all clones would gun down the Jedi, and made sure the Separatist war effort would be very inhumane so that all Imperial opposition could be seen as evil.
I want to see the point where Dooku’s good intentions were pushed aside to just focus on tearing down the Jedi Order and the Galactic Republic by any means necessary. When did Count Dooku really become Darth Tyranus. When did murders that could be deemed necessary for the Sith plan’s secrecy become massacres? Look at what being a Sith did to Anakin, it just isn’t the same thing as being a Dark Side user.
Now other fans may counter my view on Dooku by saying that he was only going along with the plan to a certain extent for practicality and was going to betray Palpatine later on. One, that’s kind of a Sith thing to do since that is how the Rule of Two works. Two, what type of galaxy did Dooku plan on making by the end of the Clone Wars. In Legends it basically says Dooku was a secret bigot who looked down on the aliens as causing chaos and how he wanted an army of Dark Jedi to maintain order. So what about Canon Dooku? If he really wanted to betray Palpatine, what type of galaxy did he envision? I’m sorry, but the fact he’s a Count, a Sith, and was willing to team up with some of the worst scum in the galaxy has me question this. Even if Dooku’s betrayal also had noble intentions like when he joined Palpatine, this betrayal plan could have also changed for the worst.
I think that would make a good novel, Disney would just screw up making a movie of it.
Sins of the father.
Wouldn't places that hated Droids because of clone wars Also love g
Jedie. And place that were former separatist hate Jedi but love Droids
Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series’s please
Yavin IV, the Empire's greatest defeat. I mean, sure, Endor saw the death of Vader and the emperor, as well as the collapse of thr Empire as a whole, but that's nothing compared to the death of Tarkin and a few stormtroopers...
Long live the Confederacy of independent systems The outer Rim will rise again
Raxus is their key energy production facility!
Sorry... wrong universe
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Battle of Yavin is necessarily, unequivocally less impactful and important than the Battle of Endor. Everything that happened at Yavin happened at Endor, but even more so. Such as the death of the Emperor and Vader, and a decent size fleet as well was smashed up. Yavin was a fluke, Endor was an existential moment of loss for the Empire.
Wait are you telling. Me that they just took two plants name from Dune smashed them together and made a planet in Starwars?
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@2:30 - Is Hutt space really that big?? On this map it looks like a quarter of the galaxy is under Hutt control. I'm not saying it's not; I'm just asking if it is for real.
The whole hutt space i don't think amyone gets. Mean we all get there a force yes but...i never seen a soild dipection of there system and many fan made mods with a hutt faction in the game nornaly just ether habe them with one planrt or a small collection which says to me not even the fans can agree how all that works.
When did the emperor actually plan of using order 66?
Like if windu didn’t attempt to arrest him
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Damn that female imperial Officer was dummy thicc.
What happened to the dolphin population when Palpatine took over?
@Homer Nooo it can't be. Thats impossible!
He used Sith alchemy turning them into canned tuna fish for Stormtroopers.
So long and thanks for all the fish!
Palpatine probably weaponized the dolphins.🤷
No wonder Alan is pro-Empire
The Galactic Empire nationalized their asses
Hey what did it cost to clone the army in the clone wars
Lowkey CIS we’re the good guys
I would say the battle of Endor was worse for the empire kinda like their midway
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Yikes. First two episodes of season two were tropey and boring (imo). Hopefully it picks up.
The Dark Times era >>>>>>
It is payback time for those traitors.
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You do realize that North, South, East and West have absolutely zero meaning in space.
I feel I have to question if separatism or having multiple states in the Star Wars Galaxy is a great idea. Everyone cites the cultural and economic differences between the Core and the Outer Rims meaning that one unified state is going to have unfairness between the two. However would a separate state really be the answer? I mean, what if they went to war with each other? Maybe the Outer Rim hoards their resources from the Core. Maybe the Core hoards technology and money from the Outer Rim. Or maybe there is a long cold war between the two. We kind of see this with Star Wars The Old Republic between the Republic and the Sith Empire. And we also see this with the Clone Wars. Sure, one can point out the two states need each other to survive, but we know of many bigots from long military lines in the Core and the Outer Rim has many warrior cultures. There would be a lot of war hawks with plenty of power.
It’s basically one reason I support the Galactic Republic. One government and there is peace. Granted, there has to be a lot of decentralization or else one gets the Galactic Empire. Or a civil war between two species or cultures. Still, I’m doubtful if multiple governments is a good idea. Just look back at our history. We wish we could have a one world government that every state is answerable to.
Nah one galactic government is awful
Idea the outer rim has every reason of self determination.
@@MothMAN351 True as many people point out, the Outer Rim knows itself better than anybody else and there won’t be serious inequality since everyone would start out the same.
However I wonder if this is just replacing one problem with another. What happens if two superpowers or more rose up? Even if there were multiple small governments instead of two galactic governments, a few of these factions will rise above the others. Without one government uniting everyone, what’s to stop rivals, planets with grudges, or those seeking power to start wars? And it’s pretty easy to make a superweapon in Star Wars apparently.
Maybe I should be viewing this as each method of governance, one united state vs multiple states, as each having their own strengths and weaknesses. It’s just that from my point of view, the latter’s cons outweigh the pros. I mean, look at our world right now. Of course again, the biggest counter to one unified government is to show life under the Galactic Empire. That was just a few decades, so imagine that for centuries. Still, multiple states could eventually come into conflict, especially in a galaxy as hostile and armed as the Star Wars Galaxy.
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Just like in our real world there is a constant strain between the urban, snobby, privileged elite and the rural rustics. This has happened in Egypt, Rome, and as far back as pre human history. It's happening right now in the United States, because the Red vs Blue dynamic is simply the newest manifestation of the ages old feud
I don't know... it seems to be more of a class divide than an urban/rural divide. The rich and powerful want to keep all those riches and power and stomp on any of the lower class that tries to get any of either. The urban factory workers are screwed just as much as the rural farm workers. Corporations like Kuat and Seinar are really the big winners under the Empire
@@charlesbechen821 I do agree with you, but two things can be true at once, and there are multiple lines upon which we naturally divide. Take my home Washington State for example. To outsiders we are basically just Seattle and a solid blue state. However more counties are red than blue during elections, because most counties in Washington are rural agriculture communities. I grew up in a ranching town myself yet most people imagine I live near Seattle. However there are lots of people in Seattle more "poor" than me so we really aren't in different social classes financially, but our cultural experiences are far different
Sure is weird that blue states have more workers rights and red states have less workers rights. Not that there arent snotty elites....plenty of them are red. Im not red. Im also definately not elite lol. The Republican Party literally represents big giant corpirate interests and the wealthy more than anyone. Plenty of elites are socially conservatives, and plenty of non elites arent.
If the Republicans did damage to doing the clone wars why were only Droids hated
Tarkin really is a cross over character.
Grand moff Wilhurf Tarkin is a mediocre and squeamish Warhammer 40K General landed in the Star Wars universe, desperately trying to find his bearings. That Tarkin is only going exterminatus on a few planets with filthy xenos that are defying the god emperor by dearing to draw a breath is holding back. Holy Terra, in a future far, far away would not be overly amused by Tarkin's hesistancy and slowenly behaviour in subduing the separtist Hesrtland.
Warhammer is cringe and reeks of tiny pp energy
Sounds a lot like what the US government did to the Confederate southern states after the civil war.
Cool video. Been enamored with rocketry and space since I watched the moon landing. I think we should put Elon Musk into space. That way he can just suck his rockets into orbit. 😉
Hey Alan why aren't you taking about the Ukrainian Russian war
The videos and research done for Generation Tech very detailed. But, really Allen you could dress less causal. The t-shirts and skull caps just bring down your credibility. At least upgrade to polo shirt perhaps with Rebel Alliance logo
Welp ok
We just found out January 6th was fake
No it wasn't. Just like we went to the Moon, The Earth is round, JFK is dead and human.
You should make more videos on that this time a new location showing up in season 2 of bad batch when the episodes come out every Wednesday On the day of the episode coming out you should make a video during talking about it and when I'm requesting
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Sounds a lot like what the US government did to the Confederate southern states after the civil war.