Bike position on track was about 20’ away from the apex, so instead of using their brakes to correct this, they just continued to add lean. Ran out, obviously and crashed. We use our brakes to control our speed and direction. We want our speed and direction to put us in the correct position on the track. Novice riders being novice riders. Hope they weren’t hurt and learned something from the experience.
His bike telemetry or onboard video with audio would be helpful. The pass was clean and not over aggressive. The pass was completed successfully. Riders body position was actually fairly decent. Looks like his helmet was pointed up track indicating proper vision on track. He lost the rear. Here are some potentials from most likely to least likely... 1. Rider was still adding lean angle and was adding throttle at same moment. 2. Too aggressive with throttle at full lean 3. Wrong tire pressure 4. Poor suspension settings If i had to pick one, it would be the first option, adding throttle and lean angle at same time. He was definately adding lean angle at moment of loss of rear grip. Unfortunately we cannot determine throttle input from this footage.
My guess is that he maybe panicked and hit the brake? He was adding lean because he noticed he was going wide.. so maybe he tried to brake to slow? Or even just dropped maintenance throttle right then?
@@SeattleSpeed I have seen several crashes out there and it is typically caused by too much steering input to correct being far too wide, possibly while adding throttle as said above. He is not where he should be on the track. Handlebar turning input puts more pressure suddenly on the rear, which combined with too much lean angle has a similar affect to adding throttle without giving away lean angle: it washes out the rear. If (person in question) attends a session of instruction with OPRT, the first two lessons relate to bike position on the track and body position on the bike. I have picked up several downed riders in that spot, usually from too much rider input to correct being in the wrong place on the track.
0:42 looks like he just keeps leaning and going for it instead of backing off a little to make the corner. Wonder did he feel the change in grip near the limit?
@Google_Does_Evil_Now actually, applying a little but of throttle can squat the back end and tighten up your corner line for exit but puts more pressure on the rear tire. Adding lean angle, throttle or more bar input all put more pressure on the rear tire
I agree with OP, it was definitely the the throttle he added while at maximum lean still. His arc was so wide because of the extra speed he was carrying and he got on the throttle as if he was more done with the turn than he actually was
If i. Going to play tap out that was a nice slide vs a nice high side if the scooter didn't flip around in the grass too much he might of been able to go to tech and get right back out there enjoy it and #livetoride
Well, his ass and shoulder are out of the bike but his head is still more of less in the center line cancelling the effect of hanging off. Had to lean more and ran outnof tire/ draged his footpeg too much.
A respectful pass on the outside but simply just too hot, late apex entering that corner. Then ran out of room and lean angle scrubbing off speed
You could totally see it coming ! Dude had to much caffeine that day 😂
He went in HOT and came out… well, he didn’t come out. 😂
homie was too centered on his bike. used up all his tires by leaning the bike instead of using his body to lean and wiped out
@plaidbalaclava He definitely could have actually leaned from the bike to save a bit of angle and probably avoid the low side
This is what I think happened. Dude also cooked the corner a bit. I think they might have grabbed a bit of brake feeling that they were going wide.
@@SeattleSpeedadding throttle & lean angle 🎉🎉
On the track..👍👍👍
If his knee had been out he would have felt the ground and not leaned so far. Never let anyone tell you BP doesn't matter...
I will never forgive BP for the way they handled that oil spill.
Bike position on track was about 20’ away from the apex, so instead of using their brakes to correct this, they just continued to add lean. Ran out, obviously and crashed. We use our brakes to control our speed and direction. We want our speed and direction to put us in the correct position on the track. Novice riders being novice riders. Hope they weren’t hurt and learned something from the experience.
This corner is a double apex btw
Cool
Nice experience
You need to fall a few times to become better
He found max lean angle!
MARIO CART IRL! WOOOO. Also ouch to the person who crashed
Too wide…far to late on the apex😂
His bike telemetry or onboard video with audio would be helpful. The pass was clean and not over aggressive. The pass was completed successfully. Riders body position was actually fairly decent. Looks like his helmet was pointed up track indicating proper vision on track. He lost the rear. Here are some potentials from most likely to least likely...
1. Rider was still adding lean angle and was adding throttle at same moment.
2. Too aggressive with throttle at full lean
3. Wrong tire pressure
4. Poor suspension settings
If i had to pick one, it would be the first option, adding throttle and lean angle at same time. He was definately adding lean angle at moment of loss of rear grip. Unfortunately we cannot determine throttle input from this footage.
My guess is that he maybe panicked and hit the brake? He was adding lean because he noticed he was going wide.. so maybe he tried to brake to slow? Or even just dropped maintenance throttle right then?
@@SeattleSpeed I have seen several crashes out there and it is typically caused by too much steering input to correct being far too wide, possibly while adding throttle as said above. He is not where he should be on the track. Handlebar turning input puts more pressure suddenly on the rear, which combined with too much lean angle has a similar affect to adding throttle without giving away lean angle: it washes out the rear. If (person in question) attends a session of instruction with OPRT, the first two lessons relate to bike position on the track and body position on the bike. I have picked up several downed riders in that spot, usually from too much rider input to correct being in the wrong place on the track.
0:42 looks like he just keeps leaning and going for it instead of backing off a little to make the corner.
Wonder did he feel the change in grip near the limit?
@Google_Does_Evil_Now actually, applying a little but of throttle can squat the back end and tighten up your corner line for exit but puts more pressure on the rear tire. Adding lean angle, throttle or more bar input all put more pressure on the rear tire
I agree with OP, it was definitely the the throttle he added while at maximum lean still. His arc was so wide because of the extra speed he was carrying and he got on the throttle as if he was more done with the turn than he actually was
dirty part of the curcuit. out too wide . body wrong. no knee down ( no knee sliders ) may have touched the brakes ?
How can you see out your mirrors all taped up?
You can’t
A little wide but within limits, I would guess just a bit too much trail braking...if he had let off the brake he would have been okay.
You can see how much the bike is leaned over. He definitely maxed it out, could’ve used better, body positioning but hey I’m just a squid 🦑
Hello! Would it be okay to use it in compilations and maybe on some of ours Social Networks? You will get full credit for it. Thanks
Of course!
Well, at least it happened on a track with a rider in full gear. Not like the lunkheads splitting lanes on the freeway.
What’s wrong with splitting?
He didn't crash passing you, he crashed after he passed you
He was trying to lock in the pass and didn’t brake enough.
Lol, Squidward.
Nice job! It looks like you have a little room to be more aggressive on the throttle in exits
Definitely! This was a run where I was cooling it because of brake fade. Got new pads immediately after!
This may be a dumb question, but why does the guy have his mirrors taped over?
It's standard practice so if there is a crash the glass/plastic doesn't go all over the track.
@@Iffy50 thanks for the info!
If i. Going to play tap out that was a nice slide vs a nice high side if the scooter didn't flip around in the grass too much he might of been able to go to tech and get right back out there enjoy it and #livetoride
He lost it.
Just a new rider trying to learn in leaps and bounds and found the lean limit because his body position is terrible.
Well, his ass and shoulder are out of the bike but his head is still more of less in the center line cancelling the effect of hanging off. Had to lean more and ran outnof tire/ draged his footpeg too much.
You're on a racetrack with race bikes, a rider trys to pass but slides out... What was your question 🤔
What do you mean?
shit. hate it when that happens
"They"? Are we now f-ing around with pronouns?
Didn’t know their gender…
@@SeattleSpeed 😂
@@SeattleSpeed 😂
Are the snowflakes getting triggered over “they” now? 😂
Two puppies ?
ouch