I am so thankful to have found your channel. FINALLY...someone speaking plain language making truth attainable without the filter of centuries of man-made dogma clouding the issues. I've been sharing your videos and telling everyone I can about your channel. One soul at a time, directly. That's how Jesus and the apostles spread the word. It's God's way. Thank you so much.❤
Brother, I have to tell You that this message is very encouraging! I can't Thank You enough for Your kind words and Your sharing these presentations with others.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! This message is perfect! Absolutely perfect for this time! Last year, I put in some major studying on the law of tithing and shared it with my husband. We both agreed on how much it has been shamelessly used in churches and ministries today. My husband had already stopped paying tithing, but learning about what it was really for sealed the deal for him, so instead, we've used the money for the past couple of years to help out family and others who need help. It's been an amazing feeling knowing the money is going where it needs to instead of keeping men in their chief seats. Thanks again!😊
Absolutely true Shade…church is not where our money should go. And, I hate to say this, but they are too closely tied to governments today that give them tax breaks. I gave fairly large sums for tithing and all I saw was my preacher buying things many cannot afford themselves. I give to my community and homeless. I feel that is more in line with Jesus’ teaching.
Thank you Shade! Very much needed explanation. The church I atattend to preaches tithing every single week to the point that week or two ago it was said that tithing is a form of worship! Please keep up the great work. Many blessings.
Thank You for Your kindness! And I wish I could say that I'm 'surprised' at the 'form of worship' comment at the Sunday Building...but sadly, I am not...Thanks again for sharing!
Its nice to hear the truth about tithing, thank you ,Ive always argued with people still following preachers that say you must give 10%, how can you give if you dont have anything to give ? Way too many preachers teaching us to follow old covenant laws !!
God bless you for this teaching... I've been struggling with the tithe concept for a long time. I regularly help family & friends who are struggling (& I've been helped in the past by the above!) Mr Copeland et al might want to watch this video!
This was excellent teaching. There must be others but this is the first teaching that I have run across that teaches the truth about tithing from the KJV without causing people to get distracted because of the Old English terminology. You made this easy to understand and of course I absolutely agree with everything presented in this lesson.
I’ve been Shade binging since I discovered your channel. I so honor your understanding and commitment to the scriptures. I love the Bible and you have opened it up to excitement instead of guilt. Thank you.❤️
It did my heart good to hear a biblically balanced teaching on giving. This message will bring freedom to brothers and sisters who are caught in this trap. I'm grateful that we'll have the privilege of supporting your ministry. I appreciate you. Grace and peace, Brother.
Thank You so much Sister! Our conversations were so helpful in making sure I stayed accountable to God, Christ, & all the brothers and sisters. I'm sincerely grateful!
@ShadeStoneMusic I'm grateful to have been of service. Your ministry has brought truth, love and peace to a lot of people. It's a blessing to support you, Brother.
hmmmm certain peoples private jets who claim to be "Christians" while members of their congregation continue to give to them come to mind. I don't agree with your stance on when we are along the timeline (little season here)...but this, this I do agree with. Well done.
That's what I love about my 'Little Season' Brothers and Sisters...they talk straight! I love it. Refreshing. I greatly appreciate this comment Brother!
Shade, I bake and share cookies almost daily. It is remarkable what small morsels can do to the countenance of others. The Jehovah's Witnesses stop by quite frequently, just for a cookie and an occasional recipe.❤💕
I love that! A person I know that comes to my local bible study...every other day...she goes to a few of her elderly neighbors and visits them...chats with them. It's amazing what a very good effect that has in the community. It's not to be underestimated!
From personal experience, I've also seen how tithing muddies the waters as well. Tithing is a pastor's livelihood and so he will not touch on subjects that will offend his income. It's an obvious bad business model. So many things are avoided to keep the congregation in the pews
I greatly appreciate You sharing what I believe to be a fairly obvious truth on this subject. Your willingness to post this with clarity is encouraging!
This is a good teaching. I think it depends too on the local church. Some churches do have specific ministries you can help or specific funding areas and you know the money or items or service goes to the poor and needy. Really vett the Church well before doing any of that. Otherwise, we can be creative in different ways to bless others in our local community or even our jobs- our coworkers.
Another thought on the subject of money. We are told to give back a portion of what God gives us. The tithe. But Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesars. We're also being told that this is God's money. I'm honestly not seeing that in scripture. Also if I don't go out and make some I have yet to see Him plop it in my lap. Once again what we're being told by man doesn't add up to what our Master tells us. 2 Corintians 9 also tells us not to give out of covetesnous or extortion. Or out of compulsion or force but willingly. Sadly this isn't being followed. What else is sad are widows making $750 a month on Social Security being guilted into giving up 10% of that while they make a portion of what their Pastor makes. This is a solid message. It was my morning meditation not knowing this video was coming out today.
Thank You so much for sharing this! Your comment, along with others may indeed be moving me to touch on this subject some more. I greatly appreciate You taking the time to post this!
Gen28,22 I thought that a tenth was a pledge from Jacob to God for a promise of safety and prosperity during his exile from Essau, making it a Jewish type of thing. I understand the Levitical part but just wasn't sure on the tithing part being preached. Seeing how you explained makes a lot of sense. Thank you
Excellent point! Thank You. This actually reminds me about Abram as well. So there does seem to be some 'historic carry through' into the Mosaic age. That said, that is done. Thanks again!
Shade talking to himself after his "Trinity" videos. "I would suggest, you do something more neutral everyone can all agree on". 😂 Just giving you a hard time bro! Great vid on a subject that is abused and puts a lot of pressure on people! "Box checking" Christianity, which incudes feeling like you must tithe, can lead to a "works based" approach, rather than resting in Christ alone.
Well...I'm pretty sure Mr. Copeland is going to have a problem with this...wait...I don't think He is subbed to me...so...Yah, You are right...this was a pretty safe bet! LOL (this probably isn't the best time to ask you for an interest free loan is it?? LOL)
Bingo. That's good exegesis. Today's version of tithing from earned wages carries no biblical precedent. But there's nothing wrong with choosing to do so either - money or otherwise, to a church or otherwise. But we're free to give, not bound to pay.
I had a conversation with a family member recently that went like this: Him: God trusts me to provide for these kids. Me: No, God told you to trust him to provide for the kids. I wonder what your thoughts would be on this topic. This was much more relating to living in indulgence rather than simply paying the bills but I'm wondering if I took the wrong angle. I referred to the scripture about seek first God's kingdom and these things will be added to you. From my perspective the more I understand scripture the more it seems to minimize the importance of material and emphasize living in the spirit so to me when it comes to providing for your family is also should mean to be providing for them in a spiritual way as much as putting food on the table. And we know that we don't live on our own power but by the grace of God. Basically I was trying to point out how much he was choosing to live in consumerism and not putting his faith in God.
Thank You for commenting and sharing! I would suggest we certainly have to be cautious of over indulging and over prioritizing material things that are temporary...You are making a very good point there! That said, we have to balance that out with 1st Timothy 5:8 where Paul says we have to lean into provision for our families...it is clear that it is a must for our faith to provide best as we can for our own. God certainly provides; no question. That said, He provides opportunities to participate in the providing which is a great blessing as well. We don't want to miss out on 'pleasing God' with the latitude He gives us.
Love it brother!! Hit right on the nail indeed! My giving to you I wish to do is from my time, hands and talents, that is a professional website for your teachings, with all the bells and whistles. I think it would be good to also include transcripts of your videos. Something I have been doing for over 20 years and for other ministries also. God blesses me and I want to bless smaller ministries that preach love and truth. Zero cost now and going forward. Been following your teachings for a while now and indeed you are genuine and thorough in your teachings. Love it, love your directions you take and love you brother! Let's do it! More need to find your teachings!
Thank You Brother! I greatly appreciate the kind words and offer! I've been looking at starting my own website soon; When I am a little closer to ready to move forward with that, maybe I can take You up on Your offer then; would that work for You?
We have put a ton of money into my son's fishing hobby. He is very talented. We also support Fishing for Life Ministry in Minnesota because we know the money goes to the things needed for the fishing ministry. Also, they have seriously helped our son remain in the Christian faith and not get in trouble. We now are supporting our daughter's Swimming sport. It seems it is going well. We do help others out as we can. I've felt so guilty not tithing to our church but without our kids having something good to do to build their character, then they will not be as productive citizens later. Now my son takes his friends fishing. Meanwhile, I might be starting up Sign Language free lessons for one of my daughter's friends. I think if we get more creative to reach out to others, thats tithing. US Veterans are hurting, the elderly are hurting, and kids are bored all Summer including teens. So many ways to help others.
Wow! Just wow! Your timing on this video could not have been more perfect, for me anyway! I have been struggling with this exact concept for a while now. I won't bore you with the details, just know that I truly appreciate you taking the time to point these passages out in Scripture. These passages have certainly given me more to think about but at the same time they confirm for me the questions I have been facing. Thanks so much for your time in posting this!
Thanks for sharing the truth on this topic that everyone needs to hear, especially pastors. I will say - if we are no longer under the old covenant, which we are not, then it makes sense that we are not commanded to tithe. But I’ve heard teachers use the scripture about Jesus ….. “after the order of Melchizedek” ….. and say that’s proof we are to tithe because Abraham ( not under old covenant law) gave a tenth to him. Shade, could you expound on this ?
Thank You for Your kind words! As per Your question... This approach appears to be less than genuine. Just because something was done before the law of Moses; doesn't mean it is to be done in the New Covenant. For example: Abel sacrificed 'the firstlings of his flock' way back in Genesis 4, long before the law of Moses; Should we continue to bring animals to the Sunday buildings on Sunday morning? After all, animal sacrifices was done before the law of Moses? (what a sight that would be! LOL) Yet this is how they are applying Genesis 14. How about circumcision? Same deal right? (That might make a few people 'uncomfortable') Clearly, this is not an appropriate way to handle Scripture, and in my opinion, it comes across as disingenuous.
Those teachers are wrong. They are just on a fishing expedition trying to find a plausible reason to maintain their gravy train. Abraham tithed the booty and spoils of the 5 kings war in which he was victorious. It wasn't a tithe if crops or currency. It wasn't a systematic giving arrangement. It was a one-off deal. There's no record of Abraham instituting a systematic practice nor a record of him charging his vast household to systematically tithe to Melchizedek. Peace.
Matthew Mark Luke and John are technically in the Old Testament. The first book of the bible should be the book of Acts where the Birth of the Church is realized.
Excellent, informative and sound biblical counsel. Messiah himself expounded on this "giving" in many examples provided through His ministry. Search the scriptures diligently and the "gift of giving to self, family, community first" will be revealed. Jesus led by example as He is the express image of Our Father. The greatest gift/love offering God has given to Us is His Son. In short, James tells us that true religion is a devotion to God, demonstrated by love and compassion for fellowmen, coupled with unworldliness. Such a statement seems too simple to be sufficient, but in its simplicity it speaks an important truth, that ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Thank You! And Yes, this lens of 'fulfilled eschatology' challenges us to really think about what we should understand about the 'New Heavens & The New Earth'. This will continue to be exciting!
@@GIWY25 ...Thank You for commenting. That said...I suggest that if we are under what we call 'The New Covenant'...then we are in the 'New Heaven and New Earth'. They are intrinsically connected and intertwined in Scripture.
@@ShadeStoneMusic so then why is sickness and pain etc still occurring ? I thought this was suppose to cease to exist ? And is the devil(s) a never ending thing ?
@@GIWY25 ...'The Death' that was reversed (in my opinion) was not the physical death; it was covenantal. So for example it says in Luke 15:32 - 'thy brother was dead, and is alive again'. Yet he was never physically dead. I have a video called "Death No Longer Exists". You may want to check that out if you have some time. It may help You understand my interpretation of the Scriptures. No pressure. Just a suggestion.
Not to worry Brother Larry...Nothing is going to change with the 'mid-week' teachings...1 to 2 presentations per week will continue; Lord willing of course! And I will continue to answer as many of the comments as I can as quickly and accurately as I can. So I want You to know that I get how You feel. That said, some folks have noted; and I will quote one person: "You're not letting us participate". I never saw things from that angle...from that view point. Some folks want to contribute and there is no other way for them to do so. So after a long period of consideration, I decided that allowing the option is not inappropriate. I hope You will still tune in and comment and share Your thoughts!
@@ShadeStoneMusic Broken in a good way Brother Shade. This has expanded and sharpened my understanding of this area, I'm thankful to our Lord that I have been doing it right for 25 years it shows me he's been working in me, but I can give less to programatic nonsense that feeds religious program managers, and more directly to those in direct need because as we try to be good stewards of God's money, sometimes we trend one way or the other in terms of how we give. God has give you great humility and I want that in my life.
@@LarryLarpwell Oh Wow! Thank You Brother!! What a wonderful testimony, and I so greatly appreciate Your kind words. I was concerned You were thinking that I was going to stop making consistent presentations or something. I'm sincerely grateful for Your message.
I use to sit in a 501c3 , and it always bothered me that widowed old lady would tith their social security check and then tell you how they are struggling to make ends meet, I would think do what the Bible says owe no man anything if you have bills pay them off and don't worry about putting your money in the plate. It's just another form of bondage.
2 Thessalonians 3:6-12 (NKJV) But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; nor did we eat anyone’s bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread. 1 Corinthians 4:9-16 (NKJV) For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored! To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless. And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure; being defamed, we entreat. We have been made as the filth of the world, the offscouring of all things until now. I do not write these things to shame you, but as my beloved children I warn you. For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Therefore I urge you, imitate me. Who are we today to ask for money as compensation for our teaching, since all of our teachings came from the apostles?
Great question! I covered this topic in my video called: "Revelation 13 The Earth Monster (Part 2 of 2)" It's a long video, but if You start watching from exactly the 1 hour point, that's where I deal with this topic in more detail than I could write out here for You. Let me know what You think (if You can) after You watch it.
i used to attend this church, and I feel like this was presented to me on this day, in order to confirm it teaches lots of deep evangelical error around this issue czcams.com/video/vvUt3Hjk29E/video.html
Take away all 5031 C tax exempt status from churches . I’m a Christian . Churches ran like a business - tithe is not new covenant . 2 Corinthians 9 verse 7. No tithe
You know something my good brother...a thought just occurred to me which I felt compelled to write. You present your studies in such a gentile, unassuming, benign manner yet it's a message that not only stabs the orthodox box in the heart, but keeps on twisting and twisting that blade till it's target looks like shredded cheese. But that's not any fault of yours. It's the truth itself that is a sharp double edged sword so it's just the principle of cause and effect at work. I mean, just in the last week you touched on the trinity, the pet of pet theories in orthodoxy. Their very acid test of a real christian. Now tithing...their gravy train keeping them rich and in their fantasaical position of power. Then of course the preterist view ( which I agree with 99% ). You're not only delivering jabs and left hooks, your hurling round house kicks to the adam's apple! And guess what? It's great to behold. Very few are doing what you're doing in the kind of platform you have. So be encouraged brother. Peace.
Wow Brother! How do I express my gratitude for taking the time to write this message? I'm rarely close to speechless...but I'm really close this time. I will say this...This encouraging post means much more than You know. Love You Bro!
The concept of tithing came about before the old covenant law was established when Abram tithed to Melchizedek in Genesis 14:20. So tithing isn’t just an old covenant principle.
I've always loved this argument. This was a 'one-off' gift to Melchizedek after Abram took spoils from a war. Are Sunday congregations 'tithing spoils of war' to the pulpits? I don't think so.
@@ShadeStoneMusic sure, Abram’s tithe to Melchizedek was a one time deal. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that he didn’t tithe on other occasions. The net result is that Abram was blessed for doing that.
@@matthewallenjackson ...Abram tithed to a King & High Priest; not a pastor. The net result of the new covenant Scriptures is that we help those in need; Tithing is over.
@@ShadeStoneMusic when a NT believer tithes he should be tithing as unto the Lord, not unto the pastor. When Abram gave a tithe to Melchizedek, he was actually tithing unto the Lord as well. Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the law.
@@matthewallenjackson ...He came to fulfill it. And He did. New Covenant under a New Priesthood with a New law that includes 'joyful giving' to those in need.
I've seen many folks fall for the 'if you tithe to us God will bless you' trap. Bottom line is the New Testament is clear. The giving is for people in need, not for people devoted to greed.
@@ShadeStoneMusic how can receive a blessing from God be a trap? The tither does bear some responsibility as to what organization they tithe to. If I felt that a particular church was greedy and misusing their incoming funds, I would find another church that does spend its money wisely.
@@ShadeStoneMusic there are a lot of churches that do help the poor and the needy. Where do you think the churches get the resources to do that? Churches have ongoing expenses. The pastors and church staff have to eat. The church utility bills need to be paid. Is that being greedy?
@@matthewallenjackson ; First I did say that '3rd on the list' is giving to a ministry if you believe they are teaching love and helping those in need. They are simply not primary on the list. Second, about 10% or less of the money actually goes to those in need; it's not a very efficient way to help the poor. As for the 'Building Expenses'...That's exactly my point. The Sunday Buildings turn into 'Underused Community Centers'. I see none of that in Scripture.
@@matthewallenjackson ...Or I can help someone directly & spend the money God has allowed me to earn & give fully and wisely myself. Like the Good Samaritan.
the law of christ is actually different than love your neighbour as your self. check his commandment in john13:34-35, john15:12,17, 1john3:23. an d if we love him, we keep HIS commandment. when Jesus explained jewish law to a jewish layer, Jesus quoted the old covenant. but at the eve that he was captured, broke the bread, initiated the new covenant with a NEW commandment.
Fair enough. Thank You for sharing. That said, the 'law of Christ' is plainly stated in Galatians 6:2- 'Bear ye one another's burdens and so fulfil the law of Christ'. In my view, I see no need to complicate it.
There are a lot of directives given in the OT that are considered to be good practices that are not given in the NT. Must God stutter and say it again in the NT in order for the directive to be valid?
He said it is wrong to commit adultery in both testaments. He said it is wrong to lie in both testaments. He said it is wrong to steal in both testaments. Are you suggesting (to use your term) that God was 'stuttering' on those subjects? 'Tithing' had a very specific purpose for a very specific reason under a specific Old Covenant Law. 'Tithing' is over.
@@ShadeStoneMusic beastiality is said to be wrong in the OT, whereas the NT does not mention the subject of beastiality. So are we to conclude that it’s okay to commit beastiality because it’s not prohibited in the NT?
@@ShadeStoneMusic you are going to provide a lot more context in order to make your porneia argument to stick. In how many verses is the word porneia used? And what are those exact verses? If porneia covers all sexual immorality, then where did the notion that beastiality is sexually immoral come from?
@@matthewallenjackson ...How did we go from 'tithing' to this topic? Strange to say the least. Bottom Line. 'Tithing is a Trap'; and my audience will not hear otherwise on my channel.
I have a hypothetical question re this subject and discernment about giving. What if eg., your YT ministry begins to put a great strain on your family's finances and relationship? So much so that your wife leaves you for another man and takes all of what you have built except for the kids per the courts. So now you need child support which you were not awarded or perhaps requiring you to pay her alimony? And yet you want to continue this ministry; would you expect your members to help you so you can afford to hire a lawyer to fight this new dilemma while not ceasing the expense of this ministry on which you spend hours creating? Wouldn't you go to your own family instead? Or if they cannot help, then to me it seems using that time would be better spent in taking on another job. I am curious where wisdom lies in this scenario - and if Hosea's story can be applied here (God told him to take a harlot for his wife...) Whereas in the scenario you gave of helping relieve the saints who were in need because of being persecuted by the sin of others - is that the same thing here?
This is an interesting scenario. My position is 1st Timothy 3:5 - 'for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?'; So, if my Home life shattered because I put too much into the 'CZcams' presentations to the point where I lost my wife...then I would have to step down from the ministry. My devoted household is a priority. You don't have to agree of course; but this is my take on the above scenario.
@@ShadeStoneMusic Thank you for your response. Since there are children involved, my thought is that reconciliation should be the priority, not a court battle. Therefore I am hesitant to support his request to help keep the channel going.
@@ShadeStoneMusic I am listening to your interview with Willy T this morning and it occurred to me that I do make a monthly donation to a local shelter, where the people there are in desperate need because of sin and circumstance - so shouldn't I do as much for a brother in Christ without knowing the "why"? Yes I should - thanks for helping me sort it out.
@@robinq5511there are quite a few doing this scenario in YT and I think it's crap. One of Shane's latest interviewees did a go fund me. God forgive me but I (personally) believe this is WRONG. God bless❤
The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God. Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a curses thing. Deuteronomy 7: 25-26 The Bureau of Engraving and Printing does the engraving for metal plates. These plates are used to stamp ink onto fabric paper. These pieces of fabric paper are known as Federal Reserve Notes. The United States Mint stamps medals and coins. These are made of gold, silver, and cupronickle. The images depicted on them are mentioned in Deuteronomy 4: 16-19
Thank You for sharing. It certainly appears to me that You are accurate; that the Old Covenant Law has much more to do with food, clothing and things of this nature.
I am so thankful to have found your channel. FINALLY...someone speaking plain language making truth attainable without the filter of centuries of man-made dogma clouding the issues. I've been sharing your videos and telling everyone I can about your channel. One soul at a time, directly. That's how Jesus and the apostles spread the word. It's God's way. Thank you so much.❤
Brother, I have to tell You that this message is very encouraging! I can't Thank You enough for Your kind words and Your sharing these presentations with others.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! This message is perfect! Absolutely perfect for this time! Last year, I put in some major studying on the law of tithing and shared it with my husband. We both agreed on how much it has been shamelessly used in churches and ministries today. My husband had already stopped paying tithing, but learning about what it was really for sealed the deal for him, so instead, we've used the money for the past couple of years to help out family and others who need help. It's been an amazing feeling knowing the money is going where it needs to instead of keeping men in their chief seats.
Thanks again!😊
I appreciate You sharing this testimony and experience Sister! I also am very grateful for Your kind words...as always!
This is why I love watching your videos because of your honesty and you stay so true to the word
Thank You so much for the kind words!
Absolutely true Shade…church is not where our money should go. And, I hate to say this, but they are too closely tied to governments today that give them tax breaks. I gave fairly large sums for tithing and all I saw was my preacher buying things many cannot afford themselves. I give to my community and homeless. I feel that is more in line with Jesus’ teaching.
Thank You for sharing Kelly. Your testimony and suggestions are in my opinion, valid and something that many may glean from.
@@ShadeStoneMusic ❤
Thank you Shade! Very much needed explanation. The church I atattend to preaches tithing every single week to the point that week or two ago it was said that tithing is a form of worship!
Please keep up the great work. Many blessings.
Thank You for Your kindness! And I wish I could say that I'm 'surprised' at the 'form of worship' comment at the Sunday Building...but sadly, I am not...Thanks again for sharing!
Its nice to hear the truth about tithing, thank you ,Ive always argued with people still following preachers that say you must give 10%, how can you give if you dont have anything to give ? Way too many preachers teaching us to follow old covenant laws !!
Thank You! I agree. The idea that we should take an Old Covenant law and apply it to today and the New Covenant is off base from where I am sitting.
God bless you for this teaching... I've been struggling with the tithe concept for a long time. I regularly help family & friends who are struggling (& I've been helped in the past by the above!)
Mr Copeland et al might want to watch this video!
Thank You! And by the way...I must confess...this one did make me laugh out loud.
This was excellent teaching. There must be others but this is the first teaching that I have run across that teaches the truth about tithing from the KJV without causing people to get distracted because of the Old English terminology. You made this easy to understand and of course I absolutely agree with everything presented in this lesson.
Thank You so much for the kind words!
I’ve been Shade binging since I discovered your channel. I so honor your understanding and commitment to the scriptures. I love the Bible and you have opened it up to excitement instead of guilt. Thank you.❤️
Thank You so much for sharing this with me. Allow me to quote some Scripture: 'May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace'... Thanks again!
It did my heart good to hear a biblically balanced teaching on giving. This message will bring freedom to brothers and sisters who are caught in this trap.
I'm grateful that we'll have the privilege of supporting your ministry. I appreciate you. Grace and peace, Brother.
Thank You so much Sister! Our conversations were so helpful in making sure I stayed accountable to God, Christ, & all the brothers and sisters. I'm sincerely grateful!
@ShadeStoneMusic I'm grateful to have been of service. Your ministry has brought truth, love and peace to a lot of people. It's a blessing to support you, Brother.
Thanks Shade. You are so gifted to teach. One more amazing video.
Thank You for the kind words!
Nothing new for me, but superb job with your placement of this in the first century context. Thanks, Shade!
You're welcome! Thank You.
You are a very gifted Bibical teacher because you also remain humble too.
Thank you so much.
Thanks for an enlightening lesson.
Thank You for commenting.
Thanks Shade! I am just getting ready to watch....
Thank You Sister! Always great to hear from You.
hmmmm certain peoples private jets who claim to be "Christians" while members of their congregation continue to give to them come to mind.
I don't agree with your stance on when we are along the timeline (little season here)...but this, this I do agree with.
Well done.
That's what I love about my 'Little Season' Brothers and Sisters...they talk straight! I love it. Refreshing. I greatly appreciate this comment Brother!
Shade, I bake and share cookies almost daily. It is remarkable what small morsels can do to the countenance of others.
The Jehovah's Witnesses stop by quite frequently, just for a cookie and an occasional recipe.❤💕
I love that! A person I know that comes to my local bible study...every other day...she goes to a few of her elderly neighbors and visits them...chats with them. It's amazing what a very good effect that has in the community. It's not to be underestimated!
Beautiful
Thank You!
From personal experience, I've also seen how tithing muddies the waters as well. Tithing is a pastor's livelihood and so he will not touch on subjects that will offend his income. It's an obvious bad business model. So many things are avoided to keep the congregation in the pews
I greatly appreciate You sharing what I believe to be a fairly obvious truth on this subject. Your willingness to post this with clarity is encouraging!
This is a good teaching. I think it depends too on the local church. Some churches do have specific ministries you can help or specific funding areas and you know the money or items or service goes to the poor and needy. Really vett the Church well before doing any of that. Otherwise, we can be creative in different ways to bless others in our local community or even our jobs- our coworkers.
Another thought on the subject of money. We are told to give back a portion of what God gives us. The tithe. But Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesars. We're also being told that this is God's money. I'm honestly not seeing that in scripture. Also if I don't go out and make some I have yet to see Him plop it in my lap. Once again what we're being told by man doesn't add up to what our Master tells us.
2 Corintians 9 also tells us not to give out of covetesnous or extortion. Or out of compulsion or force but willingly. Sadly this isn't being followed. What else is sad are widows making $750 a month on Social Security being guilted into giving up 10% of that while they make a portion of what their Pastor makes. This is a solid message. It was my morning meditation not knowing this video was coming out today.
Thank You so much for sharing this! Your comment, along with others may indeed be moving me to touch on this subject some more. I greatly appreciate You taking the time to post this!
Gen28,22 I thought that a tenth was a pledge from Jacob to God for a promise of safety and prosperity during his exile from Essau, making it a Jewish type of thing. I understand the Levitical part but just wasn't sure on the tithing part being preached. Seeing how you explained makes a lot of sense. Thank you
Excellent point! Thank You. This actually reminds me about Abram as well. So there does seem to be some 'historic carry through' into the Mosaic age. That said, that is done. Thanks again!
So correct brother.
Thank You.
Shade talking to himself after his "Trinity" videos. "I would suggest, you do something more neutral everyone can all agree on". 😂 Just giving you a hard time bro!
Great vid on a subject that is abused and puts a lot of pressure on people! "Box checking" Christianity, which incudes feeling like you must tithe, can lead to a "works based" approach, rather than resting in Christ alone.
Well...I'm pretty sure Mr. Copeland is going to have a problem with this...wait...I don't think He is subbed to me...so...Yah, You are right...this was a pretty safe bet! LOL (this probably isn't the best time to ask you for an interest free loan is it?? LOL)
Thank you Shade. A great explanation of the tithe.
I greatly appreciate Your kind words!
Very timely message my brother. I appreciate your service 🙏🏻
Brothers like You, make it an absolute joy!
Bingo. That's good exegesis. Today's version of tithing from earned wages carries no biblical precedent. But there's nothing wrong with choosing to do so either - money or otherwise, to a church or otherwise. But we're free to give, not bound to pay.
This is great wording! I'm going to use this: "free to give, not bound to pay." That my Brother, is a keeper. Thank You.
I had a conversation with a family member recently that went like this: Him: God trusts me to provide for these kids. Me: No, God told you to trust him to provide for the kids.
I wonder what your thoughts would be on this topic. This was much more relating to living in indulgence rather than simply paying the bills but I'm wondering if I took the wrong angle.
I referred to the scripture about seek first God's kingdom and these things will be added to you.
From my perspective the more I understand scripture the more it seems to minimize the importance of material and emphasize living in the spirit so to me when it comes to providing for your family is also should mean to be providing for them in a spiritual way as much as putting food on the table. And we know that we don't live on our own power but by the grace of God. Basically I was trying to point out how much he was choosing to live in consumerism and not putting his faith in God.
Thank You for commenting and sharing! I would suggest we certainly have to be cautious of over indulging and over prioritizing material things that are temporary...You are making a very good point there! That said, we have to balance that out with 1st Timothy 5:8 where Paul says we have to lean into provision for our families...it is clear that it is a must for our faith to provide best as we can for our own. God certainly provides; no question. That said, He provides opportunities to participate in the providing which is a great blessing as well. We don't want to miss out on 'pleasing God' with the latitude He gives us.
Love it brother!! Hit right on the nail indeed! My giving to you I wish to do is from my time, hands and talents, that is a professional website for your teachings, with all the bells and whistles. I think it would be good to also include transcripts of your videos. Something I have been doing for over 20 years and for other ministries also. God blesses me and I want to bless smaller ministries that preach love and truth. Zero cost now and going forward. Been following your teachings for a while now and indeed you are genuine and thorough in your teachings. Love it, love your directions you take and love you brother! Let's do it! More need to find your teachings!
Thank You Brother! I greatly appreciate the kind words and offer!
I've been looking at starting my own website soon; When I am a little closer to ready to move forward with that, maybe I can take You up on Your offer then; would that work for You?
@@ShadeStoneMusic Absolutely brother! Check your email :)
@@michaelandersonse Thank You Bro! I will do that!!
We have put a ton of money into my son's fishing hobby. He is very talented. We also support Fishing for Life Ministry in Minnesota because we know the money goes to the things needed for the fishing ministry. Also, they have seriously helped our son remain in the Christian faith and not get in trouble. We now are supporting our daughter's Swimming sport. It seems it is going well. We do help others out as we can. I've felt so guilty not tithing to our church but without our kids having something good to do to build their character, then they will not be as productive citizens later. Now my son takes his friends fishing. Meanwhile, I might be starting up Sign Language free lessons for one of my daughter's friends. I think if we get more creative to reach out to others, thats tithing. US Veterans are hurting, the elderly are hurting, and kids are bored all Summer including teens. So many ways to help others.
Lots of ways to help. Absolutely.
Wow! Just wow! Your timing on this video could not have been more perfect, for me anyway! I have been struggling with this exact concept for a while now. I won't bore you with the details, just know that I truly appreciate you taking the time to point these passages out in Scripture. These passages have certainly given me more to think about but at the same time they confirm for me the questions I have been facing.
Thanks so much for your time in posting this!
You got it Sister!
Thanks for sharing the truth on this topic that everyone needs to hear, especially pastors. I will say - if we are no longer under the old covenant, which we are not, then it makes sense that we are not commanded to tithe. But I’ve heard teachers use the scripture about Jesus ….. “after the order of Melchizedek” ….. and say that’s proof we are to tithe because Abraham ( not under old covenant law) gave a tenth to him. Shade, could you expound on this ?
Thank You for Your kind words!
As per Your question...
This approach appears to be less than genuine.
Just because something was done before the law of Moses; doesn't mean it is to be done in the New Covenant. For example:
Abel sacrificed 'the firstlings of his flock' way back in Genesis 4, long before the law of Moses; Should we continue to bring animals to the Sunday buildings on Sunday morning? After all, animal sacrifices was done before the law of Moses? (what a sight that would be! LOL)
Yet this is how they are applying Genesis 14.
How about circumcision?
Same deal right?
(That might make a few people 'uncomfortable')
Clearly, this is not an appropriate way to handle Scripture, and in my opinion, it comes across as disingenuous.
Those teachers are wrong. They are just on a fishing expedition trying to find a plausible reason to maintain their gravy train. Abraham tithed the booty and spoils of the 5 kings war in which he was victorious. It wasn't a tithe if crops or currency. It wasn't a systematic giving arrangement. It was a one-off deal. There's no record of Abraham instituting a systematic practice nor a record of him charging his vast household to systematically tithe to Melchizedek. Peace.
The demands of a king found in 1 Samuel 8 still applies today by modern governments.
Matthew Mark Luke and John are technically in the Old Testament. The first book of the bible should be the book of Acts where the Birth of the Church is realized.
I've never looked at it that way. Thank You for sharing!
Excellent, informative and sound biblical counsel. Messiah himself expounded on this "giving" in many examples provided through His ministry. Search the scriptures diligently and the "gift of giving to self, family, community first" will be revealed. Jesus led by example as He is the express image of Our Father. The greatest gift/love offering God has given to Us is His Son. In short, James tells us that true religion is a devotion to God, demonstrated by love and compassion for fellowmen, coupled with unworldliness. Such a statement seems too simple to be sufficient, but in its simplicity it speaks an important truth, that ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Thank You so much for the wonderful commentary! All of this was very well said.
This is great. Understanding full preterism and the new heavens and earth we now live, how do we then live in it?
Thank You! And Yes, this lens of 'fulfilled eschatology' challenges us to really think about what we should understand about the 'New Heavens & The New Earth'. This will continue to be exciting!
@@ShadeStoneMusicI’m sorry are you saying we live in new heaven/earth already ??? Whatttttt???? That makes no sense!
@@GIWY25 ...Thank You for commenting. That said...I suggest that if we are under what we call 'The New Covenant'...then we are in the 'New Heaven and New Earth'. They are intrinsically connected and intertwined in Scripture.
@@ShadeStoneMusic so then why is sickness and pain etc still occurring ?
I thought this was suppose to cease to exist ?
And is the devil(s) a never ending thing ?
@@GIWY25 ...'The Death' that was reversed (in my opinion) was not the physical death; it was covenantal. So for example it says in Luke 15:32 - 'thy brother was dead, and is alive again'. Yet he was never physically dead. I have a video called "Death No Longer Exists". You may want to check that out if you have some time. It may help You understand my interpretation of the Scriptures. No pressure. Just a suggestion.
im broken by this
Not to worry Brother Larry...Nothing is going to change with the 'mid-week' teachings...1 to 2 presentations per week will continue; Lord willing of course! And I will continue to answer as many of the comments as I can as quickly and accurately as I can. So I want You to know that I get how You feel. That said, some folks have noted; and I will quote one person: "You're not letting us participate". I never saw things from that angle...from that view point. Some folks want to contribute and there is no other way for them to do so. So after a long period of consideration, I decided that allowing the option is not inappropriate. I hope You will still tune in and comment and share Your thoughts!
@@ShadeStoneMusic Broken in a good way Brother Shade. This has expanded and sharpened my understanding of this area, I'm thankful to our Lord that I have been doing it right for 25 years it shows me he's been working in me, but I can give less to programatic nonsense that feeds religious program managers, and more directly to those in direct need because as we try to be good stewards of God's money, sometimes we trend one way or the other in terms of how we give. God has give you great humility and I want that in my life.
@@LarryLarpwell Oh Wow! Thank You Brother!! What a wonderful testimony, and I so greatly appreciate Your kind words. I was concerned You were thinking that I was going to stop making consistent presentations or something. I'm sincerely grateful for Your message.
@@ShadeStoneMusic not at all, that message seemed sent and timely~ looking forward to more
I use to sit in a 501c3 , and it always bothered me that widowed old lady would tith their social security check and then tell you how they are struggling to make ends meet, I would think do what the Bible says owe no man anything if you have bills pay them off and don't worry about putting your money in the plate. It's just another form of bondage.
Fair statement and good reason to be concerned. Thank You for sharing!
2 Thessalonians 3:6-12 (NKJV)
But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; nor did we eat anyone’s bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us.
For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.
1 Corinthians 4:9-16 (NKJV)
For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored! To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless. And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure; being defamed, we entreat. We have been made as the filth of the world, the offscouring of all things until now.
I do not write these things to shame you, but as my beloved children I warn you. For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Therefore I urge you, imitate me.
Who are we today to ask for money as compensation for our teaching, since all of our teachings came from the apostles?
I think this is a fair question. Thank You for sharing.
Amen
I don't have permanent church because you can't be a member unless you tithe. I live near lexington nc.
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Hello Shade, I am wondering what you thing the mark of the beast was or will be?
Great question! I covered this topic in my video called: "Revelation 13 The Earth Monster (Part 2 of 2)" It's a long video, but if You start watching from exactly the 1 hour point, that's where I deal with this topic in more detail than I could write out here for You. Let me know what You think (if You can) after You watch it.
Mark of the beast.....was, not will be
Seems like Preterists are the only ones teaching this and not so much the Sunday Buildings! Thanks, Shade!
Thank You for sharing...I appreciate Your kindness towards me!
i used to attend this church, and I feel like this was presented to me on this day, in order to confirm it teaches lots of deep evangelical error around this issue
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Take away all 5031 C tax exempt status from churches . I’m a Christian . Churches ran like a business - tithe is not new covenant . 2 Corinthians 9 verse 7. No tithe
Thank You for sharing!
The church of latter day saints according to Wikipedia is worth 261 billion pounds.
That is a lot of money. Wow! I had no idea.
You know something my good brother...a thought just occurred to me which I felt compelled to write. You present your studies in such a gentile, unassuming, benign manner yet it's a message that not only stabs the orthodox box in the heart, but keeps on twisting and twisting that blade till it's target looks like shredded cheese. But that's not any fault of yours. It's the truth itself that is a sharp double edged sword so it's just the principle of cause and effect at work. I mean, just in the last week you touched on the trinity, the pet of pet theories in orthodoxy. Their very acid test of a real christian. Now tithing...their gravy train keeping them rich and in their fantasaical position of power. Then of course the preterist view ( which I agree with 99% ). You're not only delivering jabs and left hooks, your hurling round house kicks to the adam's apple! And guess what? It's great to behold. Very few are doing what you're doing in the kind of platform you have. So be encouraged brother. Peace.
Wow Brother! How do I express my gratitude for taking the time to write this message? I'm rarely close to speechless...but I'm really close this time. I will say this...This encouraging post means much more than You know. Love You Bro!
The concept of tithing came about before the old covenant law was established when Abram tithed to Melchizedek in Genesis 14:20. So tithing isn’t just an old covenant principle.
I've always loved this argument. This was a 'one-off' gift to Melchizedek after Abram took spoils from a war. Are Sunday congregations 'tithing spoils of war' to the pulpits? I don't think so.
@@ShadeStoneMusic sure, Abram’s tithe to Melchizedek was a one time deal. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that he didn’t tithe on other occasions. The net result is that Abram was blessed for doing that.
@@matthewallenjackson ...Abram tithed to a King & High Priest; not a pastor. The net result of the new covenant Scriptures is that we help those in need; Tithing is over.
@@ShadeStoneMusic when a NT believer tithes he should be tithing as unto the Lord, not unto the pastor. When Abram gave a tithe to Melchizedek, he was actually tithing unto the Lord as well. Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the law.
@@matthewallenjackson ...He came to fulfill it. And He did. New Covenant under a New Priesthood with a New law that includes 'joyful giving' to those in need.
What is the worst thing that can happen to a NT believer who practices tithing? Would God not bless him or punish him for doing that?
I've seen many folks fall for the 'if you tithe to us God will bless you' trap. Bottom line is the New Testament is clear. The giving is for people in need, not for people devoted to greed.
@@ShadeStoneMusic how can receive a blessing from God be a trap? The tither does bear some responsibility as to what organization they tithe to. If I felt that a particular church was greedy and misusing their incoming funds, I would find another church that does spend its money wisely.
@@ShadeStoneMusic there are a lot of churches that do help the poor and the needy. Where do you think the churches get the resources to do that?
Churches have ongoing expenses. The pastors and church staff have to eat. The church utility bills need to be paid. Is that being greedy?
@@matthewallenjackson ; First I did say that '3rd on the list' is giving to a ministry if you believe they are teaching love and helping those in need. They are simply not primary on the list.
Second, about 10% or less of the money actually goes to those in need; it's not a very efficient way to help the poor.
As for the 'Building Expenses'...That's exactly my point. The Sunday Buildings turn into 'Underused Community Centers'. I see none of that in Scripture.
@@matthewallenjackson ...Or I can help someone directly & spend the money God has allowed me to earn & give fully and wisely myself. Like the Good Samaritan.
the law of christ is actually different than love your neighbour as your self. check his commandment in john13:34-35, john15:12,17, 1john3:23. an d if we love him, we keep HIS commandment. when Jesus explained jewish law to a jewish layer, Jesus quoted the old covenant. but at the eve that he was captured, broke the bread, initiated the new covenant with a NEW commandment.
Fair enough. Thank You for sharing. That said, the 'law of Christ' is plainly stated in Galatians 6:2- 'Bear ye one another's burdens and so fulfil the law of Christ'. In my view, I see no need to complicate it.
There are a lot of directives given in the OT that are considered to be good practices that are not given in the NT. Must God stutter and say it again in the NT in order for the directive to be valid?
He said it is wrong to commit adultery in both testaments. He said it is wrong to lie in both testaments. He said it is wrong to steal in both testaments. Are you suggesting (to use your term) that God was 'stuttering' on those subjects? 'Tithing' had a very specific purpose for a very specific reason under a specific Old Covenant Law. 'Tithing' is over.
@@ShadeStoneMusic beastiality is said to be wrong in the OT, whereas the NT does not mention the subject of beastiality. So are we to conclude that it’s okay to commit beastiality because it’s not prohibited in the NT?
@@matthewallenjackson ...the word 'porneia' in the greek covers this. It means 'all sexual immorality'. So the NT does tell you that is wrong.
@@ShadeStoneMusic you are going to provide a lot more context in order to make your porneia argument to stick. In how many verses is the word porneia used? And what are those exact verses?
If porneia covers all sexual immorality, then where did the notion that beastiality is sexually immoral come from?
@@matthewallenjackson ...How did we go from 'tithing' to this topic? Strange to say the least. Bottom Line. 'Tithing is a Trap'; and my audience will not hear otherwise on my channel.
I have a hypothetical question re this subject and discernment about giving. What if eg., your YT ministry begins to put a great strain on your family's finances and relationship? So much so that your wife leaves you for another man and takes all of what you have built except for the kids per the courts. So now you need child support which you were not awarded or perhaps requiring you to pay her alimony? And yet you want to continue this ministry; would you expect your members to help you so you can afford to hire a lawyer to fight this new dilemma while not ceasing the expense of this ministry on which you spend hours creating? Wouldn't you go to your own family instead? Or if they cannot help, then to me it seems using that time would be better spent in taking on another job. I am curious where wisdom lies in this scenario - and if Hosea's story can be applied here (God told him to take a harlot for his wife...)
Whereas in the scenario you gave of helping relieve the saints who were in need because of being persecuted by the sin of others - is that the same thing here?
This is an interesting scenario. My position is 1st Timothy 3:5 - 'for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?'; So, if my Home life shattered because I put too much into the 'CZcams' presentations to the point where I lost my wife...then I would have to step down from the ministry. My devoted household is a priority. You don't have to agree of course; but this is my take on the above scenario.
@@ShadeStoneMusic Thank you for your response. Since there are children involved, my thought is that reconciliation should be the priority, not a court battle. Therefore I am hesitant to support his request to help keep the channel going.
@@robinq5511 Fair enough. I didn't realize this was a literal situation. That said, reconciliation is always a goal to prioritize.
@@ShadeStoneMusic I am listening to your interview with Willy T this morning and it occurred to me that I do make a monthly donation to a local shelter, where the people there are in desperate need because of sin and circumstance - so shouldn't I do as much for a brother in Christ without knowing the "why"? Yes I should - thanks for helping me sort it out.
@@robinq5511there are quite a few doing this scenario in YT and I think it's crap. One of Shane's latest interviewees did a go fund me. God forgive me but I (personally) believe this is WRONG. God bless❤
The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it is an abomination to the LORD thy God.
Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a curses thing.
Deuteronomy 7: 25-26
The Bureau of Engraving and Printing does the engraving for metal plates. These plates are used to stamp ink onto fabric paper. These pieces of fabric paper are known as Federal Reserve Notes.
The United States Mint stamps medals and coins. These are made of gold, silver, and cupronickle. The images depicted on them are mentioned in Deuteronomy 4: 16-19
Thank You for sharing.
Tithing was for the Levites they had no inheritance so ppl would being em food , giving money is a scam and its pathetic
Thank You for sharing. It certainly appears to me that You are accurate; that the Old Covenant Law has much more to do with food, clothing and things of this nature.