When Jedi Inaction Split the Order in Half: The Rise & Fall of Revan & Malak - Sith History #7

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    Chapters:
    0:00 Intro
    0:46 Neo-Crusaders
    3:58 Revan and Malak
    5:31 Dance with the Darkness
    7:39 Echoes and Shadows
    11:12 Outro
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Komentáře • 92

  • @masteroftheassassins
    @masteroftheassassins Před rokem +150

    As children, most of us wanted to be the Jedi. Growing up, we realize that they had flaws and could be better.

    • @sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462
      @sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 Před rokem +11

      I never wanted to be a jedi or sith as a kid in the 90s. I wanted to be the kind of force-user Jerec from Dark Forces was, a powerful dark jedi who was a close second to Palpatine, coveting all forbidden knowledge and aiming for transcendence to literal godhood by utilizing the Valley of the Jedi.

    • @jaieregilmore971
      @jaieregilmore971 Před rokem +16

      I still would want to become a Jedi because the Sith seems like a pain in the ass.

    • @jaimemarquez1469
      @jaimemarquez1469 Před rokem

      Do you think of religion this same way because you should it's all story's someone wrote done.

    • @lawrencetalbot8346
      @lawrencetalbot8346 Před rokem +2

      Nope always wanted to be a Sith. Their powers were way cooler

    • @henrywang3403
      @henrywang3403 Před rokem

      I just want to study the force and live my life lol

  • @alwaysplotting2096
    @alwaysplotting2096 Před rokem +5

    Mandalore the Ultimate: Who the hell are you?
    Revan: I am Revan and this is MY GALAXY!

  • @jdfigs5916
    @jdfigs5916 Před rokem +43

    Yeah in their fear of the sith returning they inadvertently insure their return within their own ranks

  • @kylehumbert5735
    @kylehumbert5735 Před rokem +8

    Geetsly: This is Revan!
    Me: Geetsly, this is the 5th time you've shown Revan this year.
    And I'm here for it.

  • @peteristevski3681
    @peteristevski3681 Před rokem +17

    "Their vaunted wisdom bred only inaction. And that would've led to destruction far greater than anything born of the darkside". - Malak.

    • @chrishilton3626
      @chrishilton3626 Před 11 měsíci

      Where does Malak say that?

    • @peteristevski3681
      @peteristevski3681 Před 11 měsíci

      @@chrishilton3626 in KOTOR 2, the first vision in the tomb of Ludo Kresh on Korriban.

  • @inquisitorgarza312
    @inquisitorgarza312 Před rokem +86

    Here comes the dilemma of being a Jedi in a galactic wide conflict, does being a peacekeeper means to be unresponsive to the conflict while many will die, or does that means that they should intervene and end those wars even if it means that many could fall.

    • @lawrencetalbot8346
      @lawrencetalbot8346 Před rokem +2

      Could always try for peaceful negotiations, not that the mandalorians would be receptive to that. But notice not once did any Jedi, Revan nor Council, try for diplomacy or a peace treaty

    • @tuffmbassador522
      @tuffmbassador522 Před rokem +3

      ​@@lawrencetalbot8346 or do the classic we challenge manadalor to a duel for complete control accepted or you are a wussy.... Always works on Mandalorians

    • @luciuswalker8578
      @luciuswalker8578 Před rokem +3

      The most practical form of peacekeeping would be to be more active in society to help those you supposedly serve, as well as to squash any potential problems before they become one.
      Unfortunately for the Jedi, that would mean that they would be "no better than the Sith" - not that it stopped them from doing genocide in an attempt to destroy the Sith for good before they could become an issue again.

    • @speakingwithced
      @speakingwithced Před rokem

      It's really not a conflict if the force and compassion for others guides you to get involved then get involved... like Luke did. Trust in the force.

    • @papapalps2415
      @papapalps2415 Před 8 měsíci

      @@luciuswalker8578 "...not that it stopped them from doing genocide...."
      No.

  • @clinthoyt1855
    @clinthoyt1855 Před rokem +4

    Palpatine: My Galactic Empire is Stronger then all!
    Revan: Hold my Beer.

  • @RRVCrinale
    @RRVCrinale Před 9 měsíci +4

    I love how most Sith Lords change their names entirely when they ascend to the title - Dooku becomes Darth Tyranus, Palpatine becomes Darth Sidious, Anakin becomes Darth Vader - but Revan and Malak basically just title themselves "Darth Myself."
    On one hand it's funny, but on the other hand it kinda symbolizes their pure intent. Jedi or Sith they had the same mission, which they sought to accomplish in multiple ways.

  • @aster4jaden
    @aster4jaden Před rokem +48

    I'd love to watch a CGI Series about the Rise and Fall of Revan and Malak.

  • @zexalbrony4799
    @zexalbrony4799 Před rokem +12

    Oh, so most of those who died at Malcor were the less loyal members, I did not know that. All this time because of that fact, as well as what I learned about Mitra Sureck and the one who belt the super weapon that caused all this and how they said it manufacture, I just thought it was an accident what happened at Malcor that led to so many falling, but no it looks like it was deliberate on Revan's part. I knew had fallen, but I didn't think he had fallen that far until after Malcor.

  • @ChaosLORDish
    @ChaosLORDish Před rokem +5

    The story of Revan is one of the most compelling narratives in all of Star Wars. Some of the bloodiest wars ever fought, the most pivotal historical events, and some of the deepest insights into the Sith, Jedi, and both sides of the Force.

  • @jaieregilmore971
    @jaieregilmore971 Před rokem +10

    I rather be a Jedi rather than a Sith because the dark side sounds like a pain in the ass.

  • @romancapulus5577
    @romancapulus5577 Před rokem +4

    As a child, I wanted to be a Jedi, as a teen, I wanted to be Sith, now I want to be a Revanite

  • @Blindluck92
    @Blindluck92 Před 11 měsíci +2

    One of the *best* moments in KotOR 2 was the argument with Atris about the Mandalorian Wars. It literally interrupts her for you to respond, as if you already know what her argument is...
    Because you do. The Exile has known this argument inside and out after probably having it six times daily with Atris *before* going off to war. And Atris hadn't learned a single thing since then.

  • @sagenod440
    @sagenod440 Před rokem +11

    Your timing with this series is impeccable. I just finished a LS consular playthrough, had been years since I played KOTOR
    The consular build ended up being OP as fuck. Not sure if I want to play through again as DS guardian or just move on to TSL yet

  • @indianajones4321
    @indianajones4321 Před rokem +4

    More Old Republic let’s go!

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 Před rokem +12

    It would be awesome to see the Mandalorian Wars as a Clone Wars style TV series. But Disney isn't willing or able to do it.

    • @jamiewalsh3349
      @jamiewalsh3349 Před rokem +1

      They did just recently reintroduced the Old Republic era into the canon timeline. There's no movies or shows announced for it yet. But maybe Lucasfilm animation could do one after The Bad Batch.

    • @brokenbridge6316
      @brokenbridge6316 Před rokem +3

      @@jamiewalsh3349---I would like to see that. But I can't help but feel that Disney might screw it up.

  • @Whoami691
    @Whoami691 Před 10 měsíci +4

    The huge difference between Revans 'fall' and any other Jedi's is that Revan had a clear goal in mind - to save the republic. Revan knew that when vitiates true sith returned, even he could not win, the republic WOULD fall and the jedi would be turned to sith, but he had an idea - what if he could turn the jedi to HIS cause? A fallen jedi cannot fall again, so when vitiate finally attacked he would not be facing a weak, failing republic, but a battle hardened army of dark jedi loyal to Revan.
    Revan used this, he used the dark side in a way nobody else ever had. He is the only person in galactic history to willingly fall to the dark side without being consumed by it. He was always tyring to save the republic, just doing so in the only way he knew how.

  • @HolyknightVader999
    @HolyknightVader999 Před rokem +4

    The one time where going LEEROY JENKINS would've actually saved the Jedi Order and the galaxy a lot of grief.

    • @flamesofchaos13
      @flamesofchaos13 Před rokem

      It's literally as simple as...Hey you Mando Leader wanna Duel? Kill him and boom you're their leader now order them not to be cunts.

  • @tdkreturns-batcavepictures1224

    Revan and Malak arrive at the Trayus Academy:
    Revan: "Tell your master we have been charged by the Dark Side with a sacred quest. If he will give us food and shelter for the night, he can join us in our quest for the Star Forge."
    Sith Lord "Well i'll ask him but I don't think he'll be very keen. He's already got one you see?"
    Revan: "What?"
    Malak: "He says they already got one?"
    Revan: "ARE YOU SURE HE'S GOT ONE?"
    Sith Lord: "Are yes it's very nice." (Whispers to other Sith Lords) "I told him we already got one! (Snickers)"

  • @dogloversrule8476
    @dogloversrule8476 Před rokem +6

    Before falling to the dark side, Malak was Alek. You’re calling him Malak when he was still Alek

  • @christopherhanton6611
    @christopherhanton6611 Před rokem +2

    i always like this series with REVEAN MY PERSONAL FAV OF SITH

  • @michaelandreipalon359
    @michaelandreipalon359 Před rokem +6

    I still think the morbid existence of Vodo-Siosk Baas and the saving of the Daragons are the biggest Jedi mistakes.
    Also, in a meta perspective, the very existence of the TOR MMO, even including how it permanently damaged the quality of Mass Effect 3.

    • @chrishilton3626
      @chrishilton3626 Před 11 měsíci

      Okay, what does Star Wars the old republic MMO com in to damaging the quality of mass effect, three

    • @michaelandreipalon359
      @michaelandreipalon359 Před 11 měsíci

      @@chrishilton3626 For one big example, Drew Karpyshyn, one of the main storytelling powerhouses of the first two ME games, left for SW: TOR while ME3 was in development, which then lead to Mac Davis, a somewhat dodgy writer, taking most of the helm for that game... which, all things considered, led to a bunch of avoidable flaws like those controversial endings and a loss of some hyped up elements like the rachni fighting the Reapers in the open.

    • @chrishilton3626
      @chrishilton3626 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@michaelandreipalon359 oh ok I wondered why his name wasn’t in the credits of Mass Effect three and I think you are right about those stupid choices, but it could’ve been worse

    • @michaelandreipalon359
      @michaelandreipalon359 Před 11 měsíci

      @@chrishilton3626 Could've been better, too.

  • @TheAntiburglar
    @TheAntiburglar Před rokem +4

    A new Geetsly video is always a welcome surprise :D

  • @goldeagle6431
    @goldeagle6431 Před rokem +1

    We need Sith history on the magnificence of the Senate.

  • @primefamous
    @primefamous Před rokem +2

    Love this channel and the video essays they post but I feel like we keep getting the same stories just from different POVs.

  • @gs-8279
    @gs-8279 Před rokem +1

    Ah yes, Revan and Malak returned only a few hours after going into the unknown regions

  • @kiddtaak
    @kiddtaak Před rokem +2

    During the beginning of this his name was Alec not Malak. It wasnt until later on that he changed his name

  • @shoandutrieux9447
    @shoandutrieux9447 Před rokem +1

    What I don't fully understand is how Kreia fits into all of this, she was Revan's master yet we barely know what she was up to at the time

  • @Karlos1234ify
    @Karlos1234ify Před rokem +4

    The Jedi constantly causing problems for themselves currently & down the line for the future

    • @decepticonxhunter4850
      @decepticonxhunter4850 Před 11 měsíci +1

      The Jedi didn't cause this problem. This problem was caused solely by the Revanites' inability to exercise patience and wisdom.

  • @greatazuredragon
    @greatazuredragon Před rokem

    Great episode, good work.

  • @snorlaxmunch8675
    @snorlaxmunch8675 Před rokem +2

    First there was an ulic and exar then a revan and malak

  • @TheFirstCurse1
    @TheFirstCurse1 Před 11 měsíci

    Revan is easily the best Star Wars character to me. His story is like an epic on a massive scale. He's so amazing.

  • @CloneScavengerVulpin8389

    The tales of the jedi series has potential to include old republic jedi if it gets more seasons past the second one, the second season has already been confirmed, but it hasn't been announced which jedi will appear.

    • @alsimmonshellspawn6021
      @alsimmonshellspawn6021 Před rokem

      You want Dave filoni to destroy KOTOR lore? He is going to make it all about ashoka

    • @CloneScavengerVulpin8389
      @CloneScavengerVulpin8389 Před rokem

      @@alsimmonshellspawn6021 how can he make it all about ahsoka when she hadn't even been born yet?
      And who says it has to be done by dave someone else capable enough and understanding enough of kotor lore could write it.

    • @alsimmonshellspawn6021
      @alsimmonshellspawn6021 Před rokem

      @@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 nobody at Lucasfilm right now knows and understands the KOTOR lore all they care about is self inserting social justice activits propaganda

  • @lerneanlion
    @lerneanlion Před rokem +1

    I know that this video is about how Revan and Malak become Darth Revan and Darth Malak. But I cannot helped but feeling that the actions of the Neo-Crusaders were the reason why the Republic and the Jedi launched the campaign that will eventually become known as the Mandalorian Excision thousands of years later on. The Republic feared of another round of rampage by the Mandalorians and the Jedi feared that the Mandalorians might be manipulated by Bane's Sith to go to war with them again. So they launched a pre-emptive strike and installed the government loyal to the Republic to prevent this from happening instead. Am I correct with this hypothesis? I know that it is just a hypothesis but the evidences are quite strong here.

    • @user-yq9im9dk9z
      @user-yq9im9dk9z Před rokem +1

      Hmm, but Jedi had no idea of Bane's Sith then.

    • @lerneanlion
      @lerneanlion Před rokem +1

      @@user-yq9im9dk9z Geetsly's told me they did. At least, they heard of Darth Bane's survival and his teachings.

  • @matthewlowry1084
    @matthewlowry1084 Před rokem

    Loving this series so much still

  • @jamiewalsh3349
    @jamiewalsh3349 Před rokem +1

    There should be a Mandalore history series after this one

  • @cameronis8089
    @cameronis8089 Před rokem

    A two-part KOTOR CG/live-action anthology is in order, I think. The first part could be about Revan and Malik winning the Mandolorian Wars and the second, Mitra’s journey, a bit like the games.

  • @dancook6947
    @dancook6947 Před rokem +1

    hay bro if ur running out of idears perhapes u could do more ledgends storyeis and carektors like han solos adventures or more obscure charktors ,i know i for one would love to see it .thanks for ur consideration my aussie freind

  • @tomywijaya2442
    @tomywijaya2442 Před rokem

    Always love Darth Revan story👍👍

  • @pantnt1.2.63
    @pantnt1.2.63 Před rokem

    Jedi? Sith? Nah, I want to be a Mandalorian Neocrusader!

  • @wedgeantillies66
    @wedgeantillies66 Před 9 měsíci

    Like Anakin during the clone wars, by going to war and becoming the leading generals of the republic fighting against their enemies, with each new battle and more ruthless strategy employed, tin order to win the war, they slowly but surely became the very thing that they swore to destroy, the new lords of the sith.

  • @TheVanarion
    @TheVanarion Před rokem

    They had the right "feelings" but the execution was a catastrophe.

  • @jackieanderson9408
    @jackieanderson9408 Před rokem

    Good 👍

  • @randycheow4268
    @randycheow4268 Před rokem

    Felt like Revan and his followers were better strategists compared most of the Jedi during the Clone Wars

  • @HybridRenoII
    @HybridRenoII Před 10 měsíci

    Great video but you forgot Vitiate

  • @callmecloby8365
    @callmecloby8365 Před rokem

    I'd contribute a view here but I'm reading the KOTOR comics atm (literally just got them) so I'll come back when I'm finished lol. I don't need to watch to know you made a great video anyways, so, good job!

  • @slowdownex
    @slowdownex Před 3 měsíci

    Towards the end of the video he says that Revan and Malak had to travel around to the different star maps to discover the star forge. But I thought at the end of KOTOR, it showed us that the star maps were intentionally set that way after the infinite empire? Either by Revan and Malak, or by the Jedi council, I can't remember which but wasn't that a thing? Am I misremembering it?

  • @dr.bright5670
    @dr.bright5670 Před rokem

    To me, keeping the peace would involve downloading RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS where you can play as over 500 heroes!

  • @Matjoe_WeRTY
    @Matjoe_WeRTY Před rokem

    No mention of the Sith Emperor on Droman Kas?

  • @samdickenson5852
    @samdickenson5852 Před 2 měsíci

    Well both of them were right. The inaction did nothing but acting at all did result in their fall to the dark side. It was a no win situation.

  • @theromanorder
    @theromanorder Před rokem

    Please do a video on cis navy structure like your cis army

  • @DarthVages
    @DarthVages Před rokem

    👍

  • @jonathandiaz4997
    @jonathandiaz4997 Před rokem +1

    2 hours ago to 11 hours ago

  • @AdrianMartinez-ho6db
    @AdrianMartinez-ho6db Před rokem

    I still want them to make a movie about Revan and Keanu Reeves would be perfect to play him but he’s kinda old now and can’t move like he does in John Wick for much longer.

  • @hansmerker5611
    @hansmerker5611 Před rokem

    Revan is a combination of Wolverine, Batman, and Professor X.

  • @PROZOMBIESLAYER
    @PROZOMBIESLAYER Před rokem

    I grew up wanting to be a jedi but actuallly the Sith are so much more understanable . LOng LIVE the EMpire