What makes the Japanese Hand Tools (Chisels) more Amazing & Incredible than the Western Variety?
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A few months ago, many viewers emailed me to express their interest in the traditional Japanese Woodworking Tools that show up in my previous videos so I decided to make a video about: "What makes the Japanese Hand Tools (Chisels) more Amazing & Incredible than the Western Variety?"
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I like how the subtitles go from english to what am I looking at, but the message is clear.
Wonderful job!. Great videos here.Thank you.
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So what makes Japanese chisels more amazing then their western counter parts? Nice documentary but it didn’t answer the question
Its in the steel and the craftsmanship. I had the fortune to work for a number of customers who wanted the work done traditional Japanese .first get good quality then learn hiw to sharpen. Most important lots of bandaids there is a learning curve for tools that can be surgicaly sharpened.
Such a joy to work with!
Different construction and grinding techniques, with noticeably harder steel due to the soft iron body taking most of the stress.
What makes them "more amazing".... Nothing.
It's just a different style, that some people prefer. Though Japanese chisels do tend to be made in many more very specialized designs which can be very useful.
Other than that, a lot of people get caught up in some perceived notions about the Japanese having a monopoly on skilled craftsmanship
As a woodworker I flatten and polish the back of my antique Marples chisels once then sharpen them to razor sharp, this lasts months and the next time I sharpen them it takes less than a minute and lasts for months again. I could do this for hundreds of years and still have a usable chisel, what happens when you get to the hollow back of a Japanese chisel? do you have to flatten the back? because to take out that hollow must take a lifetime. Also WTF? I don't know anybody who has snapped a old western chisel using it correctly.
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Have a lok#ok at Hultafors Japanese laminated steel with a flat back
I love replacing them after used once or twice.
There are also plenty of great quality western tools that used and iron back with steel forge welded too it. nearly any antique shop in the Midwest will have old plane blades and slicks with this construction.
Yeah when steel was rare and expensive to produce. Today we make steel by the megaton. So laminating blades is pointless.
@@1pcfred Laminating steel today is not done because of availability, it's because it's way easier to sharpen.
@@HdtvTh that's why I grind a primary bevel on my tools. Then I have a lot less material I have to remove hand honing. Power bench grinders are another thing that is available today. Something I'd strongly recommend anyone that wants to woodwork to get. Otherwise you will be dealing with the opposite of easy. Which is hard.
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I think the Japanese are the best making a hand tools on the world.
When Germans want quality tools they talk to the Swedes.
Why is the backside of japanese chisels hollowed?
I'm a blacksmith, so if you have any questions about what the blacksmith in the video is doing or why he did something, I can probably answer it.
P.s. I'm too lazy to word that any less frankly.
How did he get the ura (hollow grind) In the back of the chisel?
@@oystercovecraftsman9219 seeing how this guy never answered, I will. The hollow grind on the back face of the chisel was made by holding the back of the chisel perpendicular to the grinding wheel, this leaves the same radius as the wheel as a hollow grind on the chisel, smaller wheels leave a deeper hollow, large wheels leave shallow hollows. you can see this on many traditional Japanese tools, such as cooking knives like the Usuba and Yanagiba.
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No tool alone will make your work better, that is dependent on oneself. Way to much mystical and magical selling of some very decent chisels....
does not answer the question...what makes them better?
Wrought iron?? Where did you get this from??
Economizes steel while allowing a higher heat treat due to the wrought iron taking the shock.
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how much it cost one chisel please ?
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What function does the hollow back perform, and why are they made long, and then chopped short?
Maybe to facilitate sharpening
They are made long in forging process so thickness could be reduces for most deformation possible
Chisels are flat knives. 🤔
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I own both western and Japanese. Japanese steel is too hard for western hardwoods and breaks in use. BUT perfect for softer woods.
I'm a shipwright and I make wooden boats for a living. I work with hard European white oak every day. Every one of my Japanese chisels holds up just fine. I can chop for hours with them and I've never had any chipping. You don't know what you're talking about.
@@Nico-bu6bj in the US we use a fair amount of hickory (1800+) for furniture which is MUCH harder than oak as is maple. YOU...have no idea what you are talking about son. I've chipped chisels with various angles, micro bevels etc. Maybe take a seat and learn something instead ofacting like a wanker.
@@Splash111 never used Hickory but I've used my tatakinomis on Maple plenty of times without any chipping. Maybe get some good tools before dumping your brain diarrhoea here. And btw, European White Oak is harder and denser than American White Oak. Some European White Oak logs I've processed were equal or harder then Maple. But you've obviously never used European White Oak so how would you know.
@@Nico-bu6bj LOL.....try Hickory you imbecile before opening your mouth. The only thing coming out is stupidity. LMAO. I'll allow you to have the last word because I refuse to argue with a moron. Let your crap fly amigo --because you have no idea what you are talking about...lol. I love owning wankers like you. Spew a bunch of nonsense and pretend to know what you're talking about. Nice try. Maybe you're just a troll. Who knows. Who cares. You already showed your hand. You almost had me...until you went overboard with your ridiculousness. Later tard.
@@Nico-bu6bjI call bullshit, I’m sorry, but chipped blade on Japanese chisels is entirely true. I’ve dealt with it as have plenty of other people. You have one laying right there and should grab another chisel but don’t. Go to work and then when it starts cutting badly you look and the edge is chipped. I have a few and I use them mainly for work where it is hand power only. I would never work only with Japanese chisels. They are WAY over hyped.
Please please leave out the terrible royalty free music....
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That was interesting to watch, but Alec Steele more entertaining. Appreciate the craftsmanship, though.
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This is an absurd queation. Japanese tools serve the same function as western tools. It all really depends on personal preference. I like japanese chisels for chopping out mortises and general bench work. But I use western dovetail chisels for doing dovetails.
Very true.
That Meiji Restoration period social indoctrination of the traditional Japan way being the best way somehow managed to leak its way into western culture, and has lead to many people having nonsensical ideas
I call BS on this vids premise. I've used both styles, they're just as good as each other.
Compare ANY Western plane or Chisel and you can see an enoumous difference in the length of the blade AT FIRST GLANCE.
Western tools of quality are made to a price to a certain extent BUT with the expectation that if you buy quality you could pass them on to your Grandchildren with STILL a Lifetimes use left in them.
Nomi Chisels will be worn completely beyond use in less than ten years of professional use.
If you use them to cut stone maybe.
They are better than Western chisels, but this presentation doesn't even give one reason why. Unless the idea they are made of 4 parts sways you. :)
Back when the woodworking revival started in the 70s, in say the Lee Valley catalog, the Japanese chisels were up against Marples Blue Chip chisels, that even though they are usable, they were not any competition whatever, and fold over in say maple. Today after 40 years of elevating things There has still never been a review in a woodworking magazine that I have seen that placed Japanese chisels below western ones, despite reviews that in one notable case FWW was actually racist, with allegations of cultural charlatanism. Yet even with irrelevant testing methods, and biased reviews I never saw a review that downgraded the Japanese chisels. The reviewers didn't know why the chisels were better, but like a Sunday driver looking at a race car, they could tell there were significant differences compared to their Corolla, even if they could never wring them out.
That said, today, there are very good chisels available from makers like Lee Valley. And for better or worse these chisels are designed for amateurs, and with newbie pleasing features. The money to be made is not for meeting the needs of people who work in slave like conditions all day long, at the highest levels of expertise. The money is in the beginner market, because a beginner needs a full set of tools, not just the odd additional chisel, every now and again. But beginners have their fears. Sharpening among them. So they will prioritize features like whether the chisels fit into a sharpening jig. This is like a beginner liking a keyboard with coloured dots that match dots on the "music", because they can't read music yet.
This whole comment is pretentious TRIPE from a Japanese fanboy.
they arent.
they are well made,thats all.
well made hand made western chisels are every bit as good.
the laminated approach is because japanese could not melt steel at tge same time most other cultures could(including one of thier bigfest and most influential neighbours-china)
tha lamibated approach was to save costs on the extremely costly high carbon cutting edge.
other cultures just cast an homogenous billet of high grade steel and forged it to shape-solingen,sheffield are just two well known ancient blade majing western cities
a comparable quality japanese steel tool us way more expensive
One of the other benefits of having this forge-welded approach is that you can have a slightly more brittle high carbon steel at the cutting edge, which can be sharpened better initially, and the soft steel behind it will absorb much of the shock that would otherwise chip the brittle edge.
@@zakarileblanc5173 and then the thing is FINISHED in a few years
@@jadekayak01 Only if you spend a ton of time on a course stone. Many of them will last several decades of constant use. How long would it take to sharpen away two inches of a plane iron? Methinks quite a long time.
Zakari LeBlanc you are quite wrong.
Japanese chisels are "dead" very quickly because of the concavity on the rear-only about 10mm of flat steel.
A person using a chisel every day could "sharpen" thier way through 15mm a year every year.
That is not so slow.
Orobably why there are roughing and fine chisels.
Fine chisels would last much longer if only used on fine work
Once you reach the hollow-grind on the underside, you must peen the bevel from the topside to push steel down, then re-flatten the bottom side.
The hollow-grind is not necessary, but has become common practice in recent years for ease of sharpening.
My daily use chisels and hand planes (for work) are mostly Japanese. I've not sharpened away more than 4mm on any of them in the last five years.
If I were doing fine furniture work or cabinetry, I'd surely move through them a little faster. I sharpen quite often nonetheless. I'm more than happy with their performance and longevity.
nice vid but horrible subtitle, full of errors and fals info - just watch and ignore the subs
answer is nothing.
日本の工具類は確かに面白いが、more amazing and incredible than the Western variety は言い過ぎ。井の蛙の決めつけでなければ、人種優越意識による傲慢な発言で、太平洋戦争前の郡部の、根拠のない過信による米国に対する過小評価と何ら変わらない。"More than the Western variety"という表現は撤回するべきだ！
I wish you could be as enthusiastic about the narration of the video as you are about the subject, or is this just the view of an old man that detests the notion of AI becoming ever more prevalent in our lives?
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Absolutely ridiculous selection of a music into such video...
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Horrible video, image quality, computer voiced narration.
You couldn't be bothered to narrate your own video? Thanks, I won't bother watching it then.
Who said they are better . my Western chisels are razor sharp . no Japanese chisel could possibly be sharper.People are trying to build up myths surrounding Japanese tools and methods . It's not really correct at all.
How long do Your western chisels stay sharp? I am a wooden boat builder since 1966 and have used all kinds of hand tools. I am using Japanese chisels, hand saws and hand planers since 1988 and have barely touched my western tools ever since. Most of the people commenting here have no clue how to handle and sharpen Japanese tools, let alone understanding the different types of steel and forging methods used in Japan for more than a thousand years. You are just one of those idiots who has actually never tried anything with them!
@@takuan650 if they sharpen the tools on water stones then how hard can the steel be?
I wouldn't use them, they're made in Japan.