JF-17 Thunder Vs Su-30 Mki Flanker-H DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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Day33: F35 Vs SU57
we need a Su-57+ Su-27 VS F-22 + F-16
F-15STOL/MTD VS NGAD
Hey, you listened to me! Thanks for a Jeff video!
Honestly I know it was probably coincidence but still thanks!!
Make an inverted turn and you got 8° of lead in the gun.
😜
“I think it’s going for flares” *dies instantly*
Famous last words
It went for the flares, there was just a jet in the way😅
Of course it didn't go for the flares, his burner was lit.
@@nightshadefern162 😂
must be one of those hope-seeking missiles, we've definitely seen them on this channel before
When you said you had to avoid the Flanker's nose, I didn't know it meant he could hit you with it.
😂 underrated.
Lmao😂
@Little Victory Fab Co Great movie 🍿 Spaceballs!!!
Yup, that nose us underrated 😂😂
😂😂
I like the JF-17's soothing voice that gently informs you that a missile has gone pitbull on you. Sorta like how a nurse calmly talks to you as they prepare the big syringe.
JF-17>>>>>
with ecm pod it gives you precise missile location so you know when you are about to die
its a shit plane, deal with it.@@Chogose
Growling: I think its going for flares
Missile: *No*
this missile definitely knew where it was and where it was supposed to be.
The entire fight is just the JF-17 holding up a sign that's the "I'm in danger." meme.
@@Deathbomb9 hell na
pilot matters the most
Su-30: Gets nose broken off. Brushes it off, full afterburner
Jf-17: Danger Danger
tis but a scratch
Su-30: Oh no, anyway.
Jf-17: Oh no I'm so delicate, I'm falling out of the sky
@@ishaan863 Achmed style, "It's a flesh wound"
Relaty : tea was fantastic
PAF zindabad ❤❤❤
@@salmanraza8413
Sattu is fantastic 😂😂😂
The Jeff has better communication skills than a lot of people I’ve talked to
“Hey bro I just took a 30mm to the ass you are in danger my friend”
How kind...
Jeff's got that ASMR voice i can listen to all day
"You never win a fight with a headbutt"
"Watch me" - flanker.
The Su-30 MKI is probably my favorite fighter jet
No. No not mine
@@amirhameed9485 Yeah, but you're not me !
I like it too for its maneuverability
@@amirhameed9485Nobody cares about your opinion! Most of the people love Su-30 MKIs!
It's gonna get more advanced soon...
The JF-17 looks like an F16 and an F18 had a kid.
😅
Kind of manages to have a bit of the Mig21 as well. The main fuselage with that thick spine certainly hints at the idea that the underlying base it took form off of was the J7 / F7.
"It's called trouble, and we're in it.". Never get's old 😆
When the Flanker and Growling collided, the scale of the Flanker becomes apparent. Holy crap that thing is enormous, but flies like it isn't affected by gravity
This is what I was so surprised about when I first saw the IAFs MKI for real as a kid. I thought that I would be able to climb on the wings, but they were almost a storey high for me back then. Its as big as the f111 which had the pilots sitting side by side. Its a god damn Attack Titan with its size and agilty.
That's the feature of flankers, they're designed to be nimble. India loves agile planes.
@@someonejustsomeone1469yeah cause India's enemy are really close. Like Pakistan and China. So they can use their maneuverablity compared to US where their borders are long so they can easily get beyond visual range kills
I still remember seeing that picture taken from the top of a Tejas standing next to a Su-30MKI at Aero India. First time I realized how large the Su-30MKI really was.
@@death_parade I mean the Tejas is at the opposite end, it's extremely small. Much like the Folland Gnats.
i cant be the only one who looks at a JF-17 and thinks its some sort of unholy mix of a Super Hornet and F-16
Me too 😂
😂😂 truly it is.
it's merge of f16 and mig21
JF17 is actually a MiG21 redesign with Lockheed's input.
US was seeking to provide China with a competitor against USSR.
when USSR collapse, the project was pointless, so China sold off the project to Pakistan.
14:25 Apparently the JF-17 canopy is stronger than the Su-30 nose cone 😂
I can see that. Nose cones are typically just REALLY THIN sheet metal that protects the radar dish from wind force.
@@TheReaperHunter isn't it mostly composites?
@@rickdubbink yes
Hey kid, don't be idiot, the nose cone of the aircraft is a thin metal sheet that makes the aircraft more aerodynamic to cut the air speed, also makes the aircraft more speed and vulnerable, even that it also protect the aircraft radar which is important, while the aircraft canopy is a protective glass which is made up of bullet or blast proof glass that can withstand the ammunitions rounds upto 9mm to 12.7mm, not more than that, while the 20mm to 30mm, can break or rip the canopy apart easily and definitely kill the pilot. Have a nice day. Also, the SU 30 wins the last round. The JF 17 cannot fly when it crashes towards the SU30 nose cone, and still, the SU30 is flying properly, but not little perfectly.
@@Max_Da_G I figured it was thin enough for the radar to punch through. I'm learning now it's some kinda composite. Learn something new everyday.
“I think it’s going for flares” famous last words
1:56 "i think it's going for flares"
*"Famous last words"*
Thanks for switching it up. I love your content and the variety makes it so much better.
Man, I'd love to see you flying the Su-30. With your skill and that thing's agillity, I'm sure we can get some crazy dogfights.
Growling on Su-30 vs multiple JF-17s :)
@@AKumar-co7oe Multiple Su-30s in a rate fight with a JF17 Ez win for the Jeff
@@vitaminbcomplex3391 you can't rate fight multiple enemies at the same time, one will fly off for a while turn back and kill you
Happy to see the Jeff make another appearance on the channel. A super underrated DCS module
Love me my Jeff.
Its good in rate fights
@@tacticaltanny27 it's also just a comfy jet to do things in.
I would love to see a hypothetical fight between F-22 and a YF-23. ❤
agree
He did that one already. If not it was the 35
I assume the word you're looking for is "hypothetical" 💀💀
Hypocritical or hypothetical?
In a hypocritical fight between those two, who’s the bigger hypocrite? 🤔
When he rammed you with his nose, that is when I completely lost it LMAO. Great flying from the both of you btw!
What beautiful flying by Scope in Round 1.
Like watching an aerial ballet performance...respect dude !!
That flanker sure is a good looking aircraft...!
@Growling Sidewinder There is a bug when you use the uncaged seeker of the PL-5E on a target locked by radar. The PL-5 may never lock in this case. Unfortunately uncaging is the only way to slave the IR seeker to the radar. So yes, the PL-5Es are currently quite useless in a dogfight.
nice so this is a bug ? any word on a fix ?
I had a issue last night where after a rearm I just could not get the sneakers to uncage! They would get tone and track but couldn't uncage.
No pl 5 JF 17 is armed with PL 15E most dangerous and longest range AA ever produced..
@@beingCS7 the pl15 upgrade is planned not in service its also supposed to get the pl10 but again these arent in service on the jf17 the best ir guided weapon the jf17 has is the PL-9 and the best radar guided weapon on the jf17 is the PL-12 (SD-10)
Flanker became Voldemort for few mins 😂
😂😂😂😂 Avada Kadavara
The Jeff is such a good looking plane, too. It's somewhere between an F-5 and an F-16.
Between a mig21 and a f18
@@ignacio3890 no, F16 has influence in it. Its project manager had told. JF17A, basically a F20 tigershark with F16A's lighter wings and Gripen's vertical tail. Only thing mig21 abt it is its 23 mm gun. Its based on Sabr II project NOT on Super 7.
@@Blackbirdz2000
Lol... You don't knows Who talking about. The BASIS OF THE PROJECT IT'S THE F7M SABRE 2 VERSIÓN OF THE MIG21 . THE FC17 BODY AND WINGS ARE DERIVATE OF THE MIG 21 ONES
14:25 If you go frame-by-frame on the collision, you'll see that the Flanker's nose impacted the Jeff's canopy. GS could have reached out and touched it.
The Canard Flankers are the most beautiful aircraft ever made. I can watch them in action all day long....
They seem like a flying scorpion with six wings instead of legs.
The Indian Air Force has an interesting inventory of fighter aircrafts.
Russia - west -usa perfectly balanced
@@its999wrld4
The Indian Air force don't have any u.s fighter and with the new mig , sukhoi and dassault purchases they don't have in a near future
Nope
@@ignacio3890 We have apaches and mi24s. chinooks and mi 8,17,35. c130s aswell as an32. il76,78 as well as c17. Except for any american fighters we have western mirage 2000, rafales and Jaguars
@@ignacio3890 we have French -british -russian fighters with isreali and mostly western tech on our Russian fighters. The American planes we operate are c130 Hercules, C-17 globemaster, chinnoks, Apaches yeah and p-8i Poseidon. We also ordered some Blackhawks for navy
Su 30mki vs F 15 , they are currently competing each other in cope india air exercises 2023 .
😂
Even with a disadvantage you seem to find a way. You got serious skill bro. And tons of knowledge on your enemy is key to how you approach a fight. 🤟🏾
LOL last kill though, with a nose cone 😂
They really need to make a vocal assistant with the JF17 voice.
you have THE hardest outro music it works so well with the intro music love your channel man
You look at the two corrections that missile had to make at 6:08...I wonder how many Gs those turns were
The first ones maybe up to 10g and the last one could have been around 15g , it didn't get fast enough to do more.
In all the 3 dogfights of Jf 17 vs Su30 MKI we have seen GS in Jf 17 can we see him in the Su30 MKI for the same scenario
It's not easy to go against Flanker with the Fighter like Jff. He is not going to do easy work for win.
The computer voice of the FJ-17 🥵🥵
That has to be the spiciest dig fighting in I've seen in a long time
That's actually a very interesting theory about the use of the 30mm cannons for one-circle fighters of which I never actually thought about...
The Mirage and the Rafale use 30mm cannons as well 🤔
I think its just the preference of the plane manufacturer. Dassault likes the 30mm. US manufacturers like the 20, they put the M61 vulcan on everything. Including the F 18, which is definitely one circle fighter.
@@electric_boogaloo496 it's certainly not the sole explanation for choice of gun caliber, but I'd be willing to bet that it does factor into the selection philosophy much of the time. Russia did switch from 23mm to 30mm guns when they introduced the MiG-29 and Su-27 series to start replacing the earlier, generally less agile MiGs and Sukhois.
I think it's mostly Americans still using smaller callibre, in ww2 everyone had 20mm or even 30mm at the end but USA had 12,7mm, then in Korea they switched to 20mm but other countries were using 30mm or even 37mm, afterwards 30mm was standard on all not American fighters
I wanted to see a slow mo of that near collision.
that shot at 11:53 must have hit some seriously critical avionics component too, the rest of the airframe looks relatively undamaged other than that horizontal stab. crazy, dcs damage models at work right there
Tuff fight but great flying in the outmatched J14...l love ❤ watching you fly and it's nice to see you out and about a bit in these other planes every now and again...awesome video ⛳
What a pleasant voice with you in the cockpit
Scope is like that meme where the penguin crosses his arms with an angry look on his face after being a gentleman and transitioning into the rate fight but getting Fox 3’d in the process.
What a beast the Cy-30 is
I love how they went for melee in the tie-breaker 🤣
Jf-17 has such an attractive flight computer i see.
Great gun shots from the Flanker pilot. Probably not worth lobbing those low Pk IR shots. The last fox 2 is worth 3 times as much as the first, because as long as they have HOBBS missiles it effects how you are able to fly.
Just an minute ago I was browsing through looking if you uploaded another Jeff vid and voila, you didn't disappoint
Flanker : “ Splash one .. kill confirmed”
Ground control: “ missile or gun? “
Flanker : “ Nose Cone”
Love to see you do some air to ground in JF-17
Ahh yes, gotta love a Growling Sidewinder video to start the morning off lol they’re always great!👌🏼
Much appreciated!!!!
Great video as always!!!
Content is King, and you are killing it!
In reality 27 feb 2019 we f**** si 30 mki
How about a fight between light-weight fighters: JF17 vs JAS39.
Well, you DO like challenging dogfights! Good one!
Great fights and flying, sir.
It looks like an F-16 with F-18 wing-root leading-edge extensions
"I would imagine at least SOME of those [panels] were pretty important..." 😆😆😆
I waited so long for this video!!! Amazing as always!!!
Bro got so fed up of his weapons that he just decided to headbutt the flanker instead.
As stated to watch I thought for sure you were going to end up with the human guided full size drone kill in this one ;) Great flying just to be able to end his fun the 2 times you did!
God the way he just slided in to your 6 was epic. Flankers are extremely elegant to watch.
It's like a panther going against a Tiger, oh well at least we hope PAF pilots fly as good as GS 😄👍
They will fly definitely better good thing is all Of them will be upgraded to block 3. Better avionics and missiles.
@@munnumkhalid and get shot by Indian jets quickly ...cowards
@@Python489 1. What have Pakistan people done to you ? I mean, why there is so much conflict ? 2. Nobody showed ever real proof that there was a JF-17 downed by India. Greetings from Germany.
@@Python489 The only thing shot by an Indian jet is another Indian jet while cowards shot your mig-21, su-30 and served fantastic tea to your humiliated pilot.
@@GrimScorrupt-hx5ef Humiliated pilot who was released immediately fearing Indian retaliation? How would the pilot who shot down an f16 with his 3rd gen fighter, land in Pak... get served tea before being sent back to receive a heroic welcome back at home....ever feel Humiliated??? There is no win for PAk here.... and US can only hide and deny about f16.
Great flying as always GS
More vids in the Jeff please! Been wanting vids like these for some timme!
The only way to get a gun kill with the jeff is to either outrate a target who gets really slow or, the better strat, get in a one circle trying to slow the enemy down and then abuse the jeffs AOA to get them to cross your nose
Use Block 3 if you have it in DCS. It has HOBS with PL-10
Sukhoi has python 5 360° kill radius
@@tanmaysingh267 It will even things out. That's what I'm saying. PL-10 is a crazy hobs missile too.
@@alinawaz1730 pl 10 has never been tested in combat at best pl 10 is equivalent of python 4 and asraam
Python 5 can do 360° maneuvers and kill the target
@@tanmaysingh267 when ha su-30 (mki) seen combat? It has only seen BVR vs Pakistan and it fell short. Both missiles are untested. Nobody knows for sure how they'll perform in combat. Hopefully, they don't shoot down their own fighter or accidentally fire a missile
@@alinawaz1730 dont worry bro. Even when our missile misfires it lands into pakistan😁
Just hope and pray that next time it misfires it is not with any warhead. 🙂🙂
Awesome dogfight super enjoyed it!
What a coincident, today I was watching your old su 30 mki videos
I remember a while back you did a sd10vs 120c comparison. Do you think in 2023 you would be willing to do another after all the changes both have received. As well as target size setting on the sd10 changing range till active? Small target offering the shortest distance till active. I think this is a very underrated setting that's glossed over by allot of players.
How would you @Growling Sidewinder feel about putting the a-t-g capabilities to the test with the a-10 vs the fj-17? And then maybe set up a scenario where afterwards they dogfight? So, not only do they sead/dead, but also dogfight after they potentially defeat the opponent’s sams
If you do happen to see this and respond. I don’t wanna seem entitled or anything, but it would be super cool if I could get a mention under the name ‘SrA Bankert’ if and only if I’m the first one to suggest this and you actually go through with the video. Again, I’m sorry if I sound demanding. It just would make my week or even month man. You’re one of my favorite channels
Going to the merge with a Flanker in that thing might be almost certain death, but at least the aircraft talks to you all the way in its silky smooth voice.
Being able to score at least one while being so severely handicapped is sure something!
I'd be interested to see how an f22 would do when it's loaded down as much as possible in a dogfight
Hey , Love your videos . I have a suggestion in case you need it . Just use the title " Indian Su-30 Mki Vs Pakistani JF-17 Thunder " and see the magic ;)
nooo, he shouldn't indian keyboard warriors will invade the comment section.
@@Chogose it will be humiliation for pakistanis
@@Chogose yeah it would be too much for paxtani keyboard warriors who're already in here to handle and cópé
The only difference is that su-30 is not really Indian. But f-17 is
to some extent Pakistani.
@@harixav The su-30 is as much Russian as J-17 is Chinese. IF you say Pak had actual inputs into their jf17s, atleast ask them to completely assemble the craft in pak. Su Mkis are actually built from scratch in India... other than the engines ofcourse.
I love your channel man! For years. But I would love to see you get back into IL2 again With some flying kites and WW2 birds. Keep up the great work!!!!
Love your vids. Thanks keep it up.
ROUND 5 - When blocking a punch with your nose actually defeats your opponent.
Finally after watching you for so long some Indian content love from India❤
😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😠🤬🤬🤬NNNOOOOOOOOOOoO I live in Pakistan PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!
@@amirhameed9485First may you learn grammar kid😂.
He pulled a Reaper maneuver on you at the end there.
I remember when you only had like 70,000 subscribers, nice growth
Funny thing about the JF-17 is that its jointly made by China and Pakistan. Buuuutttttt a lot of the technologies and components used to make the plane, like the engines for instance are actually of Russian design. Normally the JF-17 would have an Klimov RD-93 But a lot of the planes are now supposedly running an _'improved'_ Guizhou WS-13 which is supposedly based off the RD-93.
Its basically a Russian plane but assembled in China or Pakistan.
China goes real hard on bootlegging Russian equipment and hardware. 100% commitment
Jf17 is actually pretty good
Well hell, it has nothing to do with Russia after all. Just Engine.
@@MAli-rr9km Both the 23 and 30mm cannons it uses are also Russian.
The only things that arent of russian origin are the selection of missiles and other heavy ordinance it carries. China makes a lot of their own munitions when it comes to that.
"Today we're in the JF-17 Thunder. We're going to fight this Flanker and try our best to avoid his nose...." 14:19
Great job man
Gotta love the toughness of the Sukoi. Why use missiles or guns when the plane will do
14:17 JF 17 is basically new kamikadze meta
it failed even at that :D
@@AKAtheA cuz its made in china💀
@@AKAtheA you failed at making sense
@@jasinski2137 yeah that's why it was bought by two countries while three more countries are yet to confirm it's deals you brainless specie
@@AKAtheA You [India] will never be able to surprise us...
We will surprise you - PAF 🇵🇰💪
Just a novice enthusiast, but I think JF-17 might be the worst dog fighter in the market rn. Thoughts?
It's actually not ment for dog fights it's a striker not an interceptor. It provides some support to to bombers and also does a bit of attack good at neither, it was neither designed to be good interceptor not good ground attack plane it was designed to be striker which it does good.
It’s actually pretty good, it beat a Su-30mki in 2019 but Indians won’t accept it.
@@netsimamthere in no proof of it 😂
That 360 thunder turn 🔥
The flanker is such a curious jet. Shoving its nose into other jets' matters.
The manoeuvrability of the JF17 is incredible, one of the reasons is because it's light weight and < PAF is making more adjustments and adding in supersonic missiles to , so JF17 will soon be a beast, there's a reason why Indian Airforce Scrambled to get Dasualt Fafale
India got the Rafale for China not pakistan .
We did in reality 🥱
Honestly, this was incredible skill on your part. This was a completely mismatched fight.
I love the voice of the warning system of the JF-17
Next : *J-20 V/s Rafale BVR Intercept*
The jeff is my baby in modern stuff. It makes me sad that its weapons fail the airframe as it can hang in the one circle with an F18 and is one of the better 2 circle fighters behind the f16. It SHOULD be good and they effed it up lol
It's a testament to your skills that the Jeff17 was even competitive at times against the Flanker.
Do more of these, please! Love from India..
That nose kill was awesome 😎😂
Cracked me up when you said everybody’s got guns… for the most part.