All About Audio Compression Ratios - Into The Lair #81
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- In the 81st Into The Lair, Dave Pensado of Pensado's Place goes over everything you ever wanted to know about compression ratios (3:1, 4:1, 20:1 etc) and when and why to use specific ones in your mixes.
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The service that Dave has been doing for the audio community is huge. Awesome person and definitely forward thinker.
You can't not love Dave Pensado. Thanks for this!!
Steven Bakunin *very slow claps*
Steven Bakunin the advice is free. Shut up and listen.
@Steven Bakunin He spends his time taking notes, to try and give us the best information possible for free, not getting the best audio possible for the video, he has already proven he can by working on some of the BIGGEST SONGS OF ALL TIME, which you haven't been remotely close to accomplishing; so shut your mouth and talk about something you know about! This is a perfect example of a hater who is clearly envious of Dave's status...
I love how confused Dave gets at parts during his explanation haha, cos it really can get that confusing when talking about ratio's! Great tutorial!
Moghul Veyron simple mathematics
8 years later and this is still one of the best explanations of compression I've seen
Yeah I watched it with my in-ear headphones and the vocals almost blew me through the roof.
What a great guy.I think Dave Pensado and Graham from "The Recording Revolution" are two of the best online resources for mix engineers of any experience level.
Gary Goggin Graham? That's like saying salt and water are two of the best hydrating substances you can find. Or night and day are the best parts of the day. Graham of course being salt, and them both being at times polarized by Graham's propensity to take shortcuts and say things are unnecessary that Dave goes great lengths to explains and constantly shows he uses.
Dave, I can't thank you enough for sharing so much of your insight in these videos. Even though I understand comp ratios, I never really stopped to think through what you just so eloquently explained; how to think about the effect of different compression ratios to various source material. Now I completely understand why my results sometimes don't work out as expected. I can't wait to apply these ideas on my next mix. Really great stuff, and thanks again for being so generous with your knowledge!
If you complain about any of his videos stop watching then. He is a certified pro who gives us gems. He doesn’t have to do this. I would appreciate if you quit with the thumbs down and the unnecessary comments about a master engineer. He’s very generous for allowing us access to his mental vault.
Crazy that after every compression video I watched on ratios, this one made the most sense to me. Even the question of EQ before or after compression. Thank you!
I love how he said "You guys can do some work too" haha :P
High level approach.. modelling the intentionality of the lyrics with compression. You are the 6th Beatle ; )
Yes Great video....this is how to use compressors...to create energy and control it at the same time...instruments and vocals in great mixs sound uncompressed even though they really are...Dave demonstrated it very clearly and the energy is something that few beginning engineers think about while only watching meters
I love Dave, he's so god damn chill! Not to mention a genius
To Dave Pensado i'v only been watching your videos for two days now. I am greatly inspired to one day reach your level of experience. Thank you so much for your lessons. You should teach at a tech school if your not already doing so.
Though hip hop & pop isn't really my thing, just listening to how a pro operates, thinks and uses his tools is just so invaluable. What a cool cat!! Thanks Dave. Get some sleep
It's funny that on a video about audio compression that there is such a wide disparity in volume between the speaking and the music track. I had to constantly turn the volume up and down to get through this. Ironic...
I was thinking the same thing, lol.
I was listening with headphones and got trough pretty well.
+Tom Larson It's by design. He's letting you experiment with manual compression to drive the point home.
Riding the fader so to say hahaha
+whyaskmenoely25 lmao
Only one professional full time world class , and highly sought after engineer producer in this discussion and he's giving the lecture. I'm going with his advice and being grateful for it!
I know Dave.., It's hard to explain with world, right? But I got it....
Love you for doing what you are doing for the community!
Great video, but did anyone else have a heart attack the first time he played he hit play?
Reverend Eslam I don't think he has the time to do the audio for the show, I'm pretty sure someone else does.
I heard your mic move from point A to point B at the start of the video. It sounded like panning. Lol.
Wow! So many things to think about in this ITL. Fantastic as always! Also, it would be really cool to see Dave kind of take us through a tour of his home studio!
Useful info and Dave imparts gold that he doesn't have to. But do my ears deceive? Audio starts panned hard right and slowly moves to center? :) Bless the "hey guys, I'm not perfect. No one is.." aspect of Pensado's Place.
This is called 'teaching'...such a knowledgeable and yet humble dude
Thanks dave. when i'm finally famous and on pensado's place i'll reference this comment; you really illuminated compression for me.
Love your insight sir and it's a lil privilege for us to get a snippet of the production encyclopedia that is your brain, keep them coming, much luv from Northern Ireland
everytime i hear his voice like this, i want to blame the videographer because Dave is an excellent engineer lol
"Anyway, look it up! You guys gotta do some work, too!" - Apart being a funny thing to say in such a video, this is probably the best advice one could get anyway- go and do it. Lol. I like his mind.
DAVE! Love your videos. I'm watching every single one. My mixing has exploded because of your wisdom. Thank you. I gotta ask though, we aren't you mixing you're own mic? A closer mic with some bass roll-off. A little 2.5:1 compression and a limiter at the top. And a volume that matches your examples... Your examples are way loud! Anyways, I luv ya dude. I hope to meet you face-to-face one day.
thanks so much for these videos man. still helpful 4 years later to someone that is trying to delve further into production and engineering!
I like to think of ratio as gravity and threshold as the ground. Any signal above the threshold is pulled back down to earth (the threshold) by gravity (the ratio). The higher the ratio, the stronger the gravity.
Actually in reality is different, the higher the gravity is weaker.
+Basari Studios TV shutup
+jnyc That's a good analogy... so if I'm following, 2:1 would be like jumping on the moon. 3:1 jumping on earth, 8:1 jumping on Jupiter...
Dave thank you so much for taking out the time to do this for us. It really does help out a lot!
Hahaha..explaining compression ratio is alil tricky...I been watching you for years love your videos, keep up the great tutorials... Much respect
I had a major breakthrough in mixing, and thought I would share it with everyone. I did live mixing back in the 80's, and have played as a musician in a few bands. I got back into mixing/recording around the year 2,000. Enough background, now onto the really simple mixing template that can get you into a great mix quickly. Place a compressor on all tracks, and have them all set to a 2:1 ratio... turn the threshold down while the track is in solo mode, pay attention to the 'feel' or 'vibe' of the track as you turn your compression ratio down. Do this to all tracks. place a second compressor on the final L/R output, and make sure it is set to limit, brick wall, at the last 1dB before clipping. Now start mixing. You may end up with something completely different (more or equivalent compression) as this, but this start point mixing template will have you experiencing a good mix quickly. Once you have something that sounds relatively decent, and you are about 30 minutes into the mix, render that mix. A really important vibe will be captured, and you can use this as reference when you're into your 3rd, or 4th hour of mixing.
+Tim Kasey I would use 1-2 db mix buss compression as a template, but not further. Because, as for me, not all tracks need compression at all.
Artem Fedotov I made that comment January 19th, 2015. Truth be told, I (as well as others) need to include the way the tracks were recorded. I didn't have an opportunity to add any compression during the tracking process, and this should have been stated. Most pro mixing engineers are going to receive tracks that have been compressed, and that is why they barely need any compression while mixing.
wow, as long as I have been using compressors by ear, I finally GET the ratio better. Low ratio can bring UP the lower stuff and make the higher stuff tame. When you take the threshold higher, it starts to even the whole thing out into one dynamic range...I can picture small and capital letters all starting to become capital letters as the ratio is increased...or i'm just retarded,,,lol anyway..thanks Dave!
don't worry, son, I am. that's why i was here. you keep worrying about the levels on youtube tutorials it's a big help to us all
These videos are awesome. Please never stop making them
How come such a genius like Pensado can be so funny....!!!! for a moment made me think... mmm are you sure? jajaja! but I know... You are the Best! Bless!
Thank you so much for taking your time to do all these tutorials Dave, your the best!!
I feel like a person that finds Pensado's found something that will weather. I have never met Dave but I like Dave.Thanks again KPM
Great as always. The thing about Dave is he makes me feel like I can do it just as easy...even though I can't.....
Subtractive EQ goes before compression; additive EQ goes after compression. The logic is that you don't want to bring up (through compression) something you don't like (the offending frequencies). Once you've cleaned up the sound and made it coherent and "tight" (through compression), you can safely boost your frequencies of choice.
Dude, you've got AWESOME videos, and you do a great job of explaining things.
I've been making music for years, but never bothered with mixing/mastering .. largely because I didn't understand it.
You're really helping me understand it, and I'm totally hearing the difference in my tracks. ... I'm watching other vid sources too, but yours are some of The Best!!
Thank you! =]
Good on you Dave. A kind and generous tutorial.
Finally! Been waiting for these to come back!
well explained! this has always been really confusing to me
Thanks for doing these series of videos....
thank you i was struggling with compression for a while, but it finally clicked after watching this video
I love my 160 XT, specifically on kick and rap vox, and dave makes me appreciate it more!
If you guys compiled all "into the lair" episodes together ... You gonna get a great 3-4 hour lecture video of bit and pieces regarding all you need to know about audio mastering ...
For those enthusiasts or beginners, this is a real source of your research and a great start to improve your skill further. If you are pro, well stuff that Dave said will teach you a thing or two even more. :)
These are the important things about compression and not to always get the newest fanciest plugin. Great videos Dave thank you!
Really appreciate your videos Dave. Thank you for sharing your wisdom!!
Dave, you're the best.
True there's so much to learn and experience!!!
Excellent teacher.
Dave is awesome!! "Infinity to 1, or is it 1 to infinity? Well look it up, you guys gotta do some work yourselves" He is in my top 3 fav engineers.
Thank you, Dave 👌🍀
Limiters are designed to have a faster and more transparent attack time in general where as classic comps are designed to produce a specific shape
you're great Dave. thanks so much.
Thank You Mr. Dave Pensado 🙌🙌Ver Helpful Video🔥🔥.
That make sense to me, different applications would require fundamental differences in design. Thanks
This was actually a good ratio & threshold tutorial for beginners
Stillwell-audio made MajorTom, which was modelled after the DBX160.
I love that compressor. They are the company that made Rocket & vibe-eq.
thank you Dave and the Gang this is a great tutorial .....i've again learned a lot here
Cheers Dave. Informative and encouraging as usual.
Bravo sir, fantastic explanation!
Dave, dave, dave.....Awesome guy . Character
@radioloud I recommend you record some automation with the channel volume fader first and get the general volume to sound even that way, then you can send the output if that channel to a bus (group) and put the compression and other effects on that. It is very useful for fine tuning odd words that may be a little too quietly recorded too
i never really understood ratio on compressors. now i do, thanks for that!
always a little worrying taking advice off a guy on sound who cant get video sound right...
haha he was just changing it up a bit ;)
That'd be a mistake. He's far too busy to do the sound on his show. You might want to look into who exactly he is.
was a joke..........
if you dont know who he is, stfu. the dude has got nothing to prove anymore. take it or leave it.
THE COBRA SONG you little complaining inconsiderate piece of shit get the fuck out of here
As always, brilliant!!
You're the man Dave, awesome lesson, thanks so much!
man, thank you for this vid! I always have a really hard understanding exactly how a comp works. I think you gave quite a bit more info into the situation.
No, a ratio of 3:1 means that if your input is 3 dB over threshold, the output is 1 dB over threshold. Your level is knocked down 2 dB. So if, at a ratio of 3:1, you set your threshold at -30dB, and your signal hits -12dB (18dB above threshold), you divide 18dB by 3, giving you 6dB, so your final output is -24dB.
You should do an ITL on using the outboard gear in your setup. For instance how do you capture some bricasti verb on a track. Take us through that process. Its always about stupid plugins. Or even just give us a studio tour of your outboard and tell us what you use what on etc. All this ITB ITLs and NOTHING ever about outboard! :)
The ITL's are Dave's break from mixing ;-)
Great video Dave as always...Many Thanks :)
Awesome video Dave, but I have to know - was the surprise volume a real world demonstration on why compression is important?
Thank you for this great video friend. Just bought softubes native VC bundle and dbx 160 from waves cheers.
Also, what an epic chair you got there man! ;)
RIP earphone users when the song comes in
5 years later and you saved my ears. thankyou
Just saved my ears 6 years later
So it was that simple huh....wow! thanks man!
Awesome. Love your videos
Thanks for the more in depth explanation! :)
This cleared up alot for me! Thank You
The ratio went waay higher than I expected before it fully lost the feeling. I thought about 10:1 but, to my ears, complete squash happens around the 50:1 mark
that new camera got dem nice resolution
Audio in the beginning of the video is coming out my right speaker only. I also heard the engineer click something that stereo'd the audio mix of this video soon after. What happened there?
Great Video!
A ratio of 1:Infinity would be gnarly lolol
Thank you for this vid. Im quite new to this and am struggling with understanding compression.. yhis made it a bit easier :-)
Wow it took my 2 year to get this down but yes the rule of put in an EQ before the compressor, for the simple fact of the environment hose the Peaks where the recording is happening so tame those environmental Peaks are priority for more direct sound
do a video on mastering video audio so that headphone listeners arent murdered for supporting your video
Great tips. Thanks again. (Didnt like the way Dave's voice sounded in this episode)
thanks Dave, you're the man!
i like how this guy is all about mixing and engineering and then the audio is only in the right speaker
great video! still helpful
I wonder why you didn't use some drum kit to explain that...
Maybe, for such difficult one: a little drawing is better than a long speech?
If some one, like me, have pain to hear it well on vocals, try to hear it again with a very few volume (like we don't hear Dave well any more) ... That will, normally, jump into your face :)
Though, one have understand something when he can explain it... Mission complete.
GENIUS.... SHEER GENIUS!!!!
Amazing. Informative and encouraging, thank you.
I think you have that backwards :/ In a 3:1 ratio, for example, isn't it for every 1db that the signal goes over the threshold it get knocked down 3db?
Attack Time:
Program-Dependent; 15ms for 10dB, 5ms for 20dB, 3ms for 30dB
Release Time:
Program-Dependent; 8ms for 1dB, 80ms for 10dB, 400ms for 50 dB; 125dB/sec Rate
you are wellcome...:D