The Real Reason that Netanyahu and Israeli Leader's Claim to Speak for All Jews
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- In this interview, Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro, rabbi of Beis Medrash of Bayswater, explains the motives behind the claims of Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders to represent all Jews. He explains how Zionism, starting from Theodor Herzl, unilaterally arrogated to itself the right to speak in the name of world Jewry. Rabbi Shapiro explains the motives behind this and the danger it poses to the Jewish people.
This presentation is brought to you by True Torah Jews www.truetorahjews.org
I find these 'real' Jewish views fascinating. They make a lot of sense and are not shrouded in bullshit; when contrasted to Israeli and atheistic Jew, this all helps make clear the real the motives of both sides. As a non-Jew myself, who often gets confused by what exactly Israel is and what defines an atheistic Jew, I find these alternative views very enlightening.
As Stated in the Quran, I can say that People Of The Book are really amazing because they are steadfast and always maintain their connection with Allaah and that is beautiful and really shows humanity in general need to pay attention and learn from true believers of the God of the universe
Fascinating stuff.As an Irishman with no dog in the fight Ive often wondered about Netanyahu saying he is the representative of all the Jewish people,The good Rabbi has set me straight on this,great watch.
These are the true people of the book, Mashallah
Great respect to you, dear Yaakov, Rabbi Shapiro. Respect and thanks.
The Persians saved the Jews (old testament). However this gentleman does make of lot of sense. He is an intelligent and truthful individual.
Real talk. Respect, light, love, and solidarity. Keep it up.
We are blessed in the US that Jews like Rabbi Shapiro live here!
"Be careful with the government, for they befriend a person only for their own needs. They appear to be friends when it is beneficial to them, but they do not stand by a person at the time of his distress." Pirkei Avot 2
So true.
jews are loving People with big heart they dont hate gentiles they love and they are awesome
ive have know of this for a few years it makes me glad that rabbi shapiro as a jew made it very clear about the truth of it all god bless him we need more and more truth to help each other in these dark times may god bless all
I'm glad you guys are speaking out. Keep up the great work!
Extremely interesting and valuable channel. I wish you could upload more videos.
Agreed these guys need to be on the msm so people can see, I wonder what their opinion on the is/pal conflict is.
The world is listening keep true to yourself as u are God bless
It's absolutely imperative that these jewish ppls voices are heard, I speak to ppl everyday about this subject, from all backgrounds, and many dont distinguish between zionists and jews, I fear if (for example) the dollar collapses (as many predict)or another "banking collapse" (which many say is probable) then all jewish ppl will be blamed for the actions of these others, who we know left ordinary jews to their fate (at least) once before, its so nice to see, this is the real jews, no one who is part of forming a nation of israel without the Messiah coming first is following what god commanded of jews.
i have so much respect for you guys subbed
Thanks, it was beutifull :) Love from a jewish Varsovian
Great Job guys!
That's one badass hat!
Was thinking of getting one. Badass
I like this guy,
and I'm an atheist
lol when did the Persian harm the Jews???oh yeah they saved them and the Persian Jews have had a equal citizen rights ever since they were rescued from the Romans.
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Although Eretz Yisroel is important, without Tora we could not survive as Jews, even if we possessed Eretz Yisroel, and so we must first concern ourselves with remaining Jews, and then worry about the Holy Land for Jews
-Rabbi Elchonon Wasserman
My goodness no comments yet ? Are we afraid? :) rabbi is wright, Land of Israel can be run only by Jews but it can really blossom when run by God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jakob, but no matter what God allows existence of Israel as we know for a reason ,and only He Him Self knows what is behind this reason
hang on a second...
ideally, do Orthodox Jews prefer modern day Israel to be a Jewish state or not?? I'm new to this subject so please excuse my ignorance.
regards
john the greek.
Even if Zionism would be led by Religious Jews, It's still contradicts the Torah teachings.
www.truetorahjews.org/mission
+gfh755 ghnmbjm
in particular, which Torah verses seem to back your claim?
I'm a Christian and this topic is of an interest to me. thank you
@ john hammett...
- Biblical Verses Foretelling That G-d Will Send the Jews into Exile
Leviticus 26:33
And if you do not listen to Me, and do not keep all these commandments…
and I will scatter you among the nations, and send the sword after you,
and your land will be desolate, and your cities destroyed.
Deuteronomy 4:25
I call to witness today heaven and earth that you will perish quickly
from the land that you are crossing over the Jordan to possess; you will
not stay long on it…And G-d will scatter you among the peoples, and you
will be left few in number in the nations where G-d will lead you.
Deuteronomy 11:16
Take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be seduced, and you turn away
and serve other gods, and bow to them. Then G-d will be angry at you,
and He will close up the heavens and there will be no rain, and the
earth will not give its produce, and you will perish quickly from upon
the good land that G-d gives you.
Deuteronomy 28:36
G-d will lead you and your king, whom you will appoint over you, to a nation you and your fathers did not know.
Deuteronomy 28:63
You shall be moved off the good land which you come to inherit, and G-d
will scatter you among all the nations, from one end of the earth to the
other.
- Biblical Verses Saying that the Jewish People Will be Gathered in from Exile Only When the Messiah Comes:
Isaiah 11:1-12
A royal scepter will emerge from the stock of Jesse, and a sapling will
sprout from his roots. The spirit of G-d will rest upon him, the spirit
of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and power, the spirit
of knowledge and fear of G-d… And it shall come to pass on that day,
that the L-rd will once again acquire the rest of His people…and He will
gather the dispersed of Israel, and the scattered of Judah He will
gather from the four corners of the earth.
Ezekiel 37:21-24
So says the L-rd G-d, behold I will take the Children of Israel from
among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from all
sides, and I will bring them to their land…and My servant David will be
king over them, one shepherd will be for all of them.
- Talmudic Sources Saying that Jews Are Forbidden to Return from Exile on Their Own and Create a State:
Tractate Kesubos 111a
The Biblical book Song of Songs says: “I adjure you, O daughters of
Jerusalem, by the gazelles or the deer of the field, not to arouse or
awaken the love before it is desired.” This oath occurs three times in
the Song of Songs (2:7, 3:5 and 8:4). The Talmud interprets this
metaphorical language to mean as follows: the speaker here is G-d, and
the “daughters of Jerusalem” are the Jewish people and the nations of
the world. During the Jewish exile, which began with the destruction of
the Temple in the year 69 CE, G-d placed three oaths upon the world, two
upon the Jewish people and one upon the nations. The Jewish people were
foresworn not to immigrate as a wall (i.e. en masse) to the Holy Land,
and not to rebel against the other nations. The nations were foresworn
not to afflict the Jews too much.
Midrash Rabbah on Song of Songs 2:7
The reason for the oath against mass immigration is that if the Jews
were to do this on their own, why would the messiah have to come to
gather in the exiles of Israel?
Midrash Rabbah on Song of Songs 8:14
The redemption of the Jewish people is compared to the grain harvest,
the grape harvest, the spice harvest, and to a woman giving birth. The
common thread of all these metaphors is that they cannot be done too
early. If grain is cut too early, it will not be good even as animal
feed. If grapes are cut too early, they will not even be good to make
vinegar. If spice is picked too early, it will not have a smell; it must
be allowed to dry out on the tree. And if a woman gives birth
prematurely, the baby will not live. So too, if the Jewish people
hurries the end, they will not be successful, but at the proper time,
may it be soon, they will be successful.
Tractate Shabbos 63a
The difference between the present era and the days of messiah is that
in the present era Jews are in exile under the nations and in the days
of the messiah they will be independent.
- Precedent: Other Moments in History When Jews Attempted to End Exile in an Unauthorized Way:
The Tribe of Ephraim
The Midrash Rabbah on Exodus (20:11) states that part of the tribe of
Ephraim left Egypt thirty years before the Exodus, and met a bitter end:
300,000 of them were killed by the Philistines. The Midrash Rabbah on
Song of Songs 2:7 says that these descendents of Ephraim transgressed
the Oath.
The Invaders
The Book of Numbers (14:44) relates that a group of Jews undertook an
unauthorized invasion of the Holy Land after the sin of the spies. Moses
warned them, "Why do you transgress the command of G-d? It will not
succeed!" The end was that "the Amalekites and the Canaanites who dwelt
in that hill country came out, and smote them and smashed them to utter
destruction." The Targum Yonasan on Song of Songs 2:7 says that these
invaders transgressed the Oath.
Bar Kochba
In the year 130 CE, Simeon Bar Kochba led a Jewish revolt against Rome
and established a Jewish kingdom. This is another one of the cases
listed by the Midrash when the oaths were transgressed. The Talmud
(Sanhedrin 93b) says that when the Jewish Sages of that time realized
that Bar Kochba was not the messiah, they killed him, putting a stop to
his revolt.
- Famous Jewish Commentators and Legal Authorities:
Rashi (1040-1105)
The prayer “G-d of salvations, in the four oaths” is a reference to the
oaths of the Song of Songs. We ask G-d: Save us, for You have made us
swear not to rebel against the nations, and we are keeping your oath in
exile and bearing the yoke of exile. (Commentary to the Prayerbook)
Maimonides (1135-1204)
The messiah will gather in the Jews from exile. Whoever does not believe
in him is denying the Torah, which says (Deuteronomy 30:3), “The L-rd
your G-d will restore your exiles and have mercy on you.” (Laws of Kings
11:1)
When King Solomon, peace be upon him, made known with his holy
inspiration that this nation, when it is sunk into exile, will try to
arouse itself not at its proper time, and they will die because of this
and travails will come upon them - he warned against this, and made an
oath against this in an allegorical way, and said (Song of Songs 2:7),
‘I adjure you, daughters of Jerusalem…’ (Letter to the Jews of Yemen)
Rabbi Yishaya ben Eliyahu Di Trani (c. 1300)
Living in the Holy Land is a meritorious act; nevertheless, the Jewish
people must not all go up together with a strong hand, in an act similar
to the ingathering of the exiles, for they are not permitted to hasten
the end, until the Creator hastens our redemption. (Piskei Riaz, Kesubos
13:8)
Rabbi Bachya ben Asher (d. 1340)
We must follow in the footsteps of the Patriarchs and prepare ourselves
to approach the gentiles with gifts, with soft speech and with prayer
before G-d. But war is impossible, for G-d made the Jewish people swear
not to wage wars against the nations. (Commentary to Genesis 32:3)
Rabbi Yitzchak ben Sheishes (1326-1408)
There is no doubt that traveling to the Holy Land is a meritorious
act…but now, one of the Three Oaths G-d made the Jewish people swear is
not to go up as a wall. (Responsa of the Rivash, Chapter 101)
Rabbi Shlomo ben Shimon Duran (1400-1467)
During exile, living in the Holy Land is not a general commandment for
all Jews, but on the contrary it is forbidden, as the Talmud says in the
last chapter of Kesubos, that this is one of the oaths that G-d made
the Jews swear: that they not hurry the end and not go up as a wall. Go
and see what happened to the children of Ephraim when they hurried the
end! (Responsa of the Rashbash, Chapter 2)
Rabbi Isaac Abarbanel (1437-1508)
Abraham feared that his descendants would rise up to leave the exile
before the time set by G-d...we must bear the yoke of the exile and live
under the nations until the time of the End. (Yeshuos Meshicho v. 1, p.
11b)
The Maharal of Prague (1520-1609)
G-d made the Jewish people swear by the heavens and the earth not to
leave exile before the time. For just as the heavens and the earth keep
to the order of nature decreed by G-d, never changing, in the same way
the Jewish people must keep the order of exile decreed by G-d. And just
as the heavens and earth, if they were to change their nature and order,
would bring havoc and destruction to the world, so too if the Jewish
people leaves the exile decreed on them by G-d it would mean destruction
for them, G-d forbid. Therefore they must not violate the decree.
(Netzach Yisroel, Chapter 24)
Rabbi Chaim Ben Attar (1696-1743)
The verse “I will scatter you among the nations” refers to the first
oath, which mandates that the Jews remain scattered and not immigrate as
a wall, with a strong hand, to resettle the Holy Land. (Ohr Hachaim
Commentary to Leviticus 26:32-33)
Rabbi Yonasan Eybeschutz (1690-1764)
The Jewish people cries out to the nations, "Do not awaken an early
ingathering of Israel! Even if all the Jews are ready to go to
Jerusalem, and all the nations agree, still, G-d forbid that I should go
there!” (Ahavas Yonasan)
Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch (1808-1888)
When the uprising led by Bar Kochba proved a disastrous error, it became
essential that the Jewish people be reminded for all times of an
important fact; namely, that they must never again attempt to restore
their national independence by their own power; they were to entrust
their future as a nation solely to Divine Providence. (Commentary on the
Prayerbook, p. 703)
In the Old Testament Israel was a theocracy. I assume that the real objection from orthodox Jews is that the modern state of Israel is secular.
If religious Jews in Israel took over the government and rebuilt the temple, would Rabbi Shapiro still be against submitting to the authority of Israel?
Even if Zionism would be led by Religious Jews, It's still opposes the Torah teachings.
www.truetorahjews.org/mission
+gfh755 ghnmbjm Thanks for your response. I see what you are saying. I guess I should ask this way. Say in 50 to 100 years religious jews reach majority in Israel and take over the government. At that point, would religious jews worldwide have an obligation to support Israel?
yeah well of course he doesn't, that's ridiculous
In the course of time nationalism begot an offspring and named it Religious Nationalism. The choice of name seems to indicate that they are not satisfied with the adjective religious; they must supplement it with another ideology, nationalism. It is stated that the Torah of the L-rd is perfect, and we have been admonished “You shall not add,” and whosoever adds detracts. Indeed Religious Nationalism has confused our camp. Until now only these observing the Torah were considered Jews. Whosoever denied the Torah was by law an apostate, and had no connection with us. Now a new ideology contends that even a heretic belongs to us, as long as he possesses a national consciousness. The Torah warns us “It is forbidden to join with the wicked even to perform a mitzvah - but they argue that by associating with the wicked we will influence them to mind their ways. They consider themselves wiser then the Torah. In fact, combining with the wicked has resulted in what the Torah foresaw. Instead of improving the wicked, those who joined them became loyal followers and the free-thinkers, and now direct all their energy and power against the Torah leadership. This is how the bridge between the religious and the free-thinkers was constructed. Generally speaking, people come and go on a bridge. On this bridge people only go, we see no one coming back…
-Rebbe Elchonon Wasserman (somewhere between the late 1930’s-early 1940’s)