Brad, my name is Brad. And I'm restoring a South Bend Heavy 10 which led me to your videos. I too have a friend who oversees me being overly cautious and he often ends up being my "dude just do it - you're overthinking it" guy. You remind me of me for some reason.
If the rubber length of the ground belt is less than 3/16" long it's easier to trim it off. The rubber adds no strength to the belt and you will never miss the rubber. When you use two types of glue there is always a chance of mixing. If this happens the glue will not stick. I worked in the printing industry and was in charge of belts and training. We have trimmed the rubber for the last 15 years. Now all the belt suppliers are recommending the same.
I have this same belting on my Pittler C3 the glue I used was Gorilla glue, one side of the join has the glue and the other is simply wetted and then clamped as above. The join is absolutely solid and any glue that oozes out turns a creamy colour just like the video above. It's so much easier then messing around with two small bottles.
Great job mate I feel exactly the same trying to glue up a new belt. Taking particular care to get it right the first time. That's a gorgeous lathe. Looks mint
Nice DIY on the belt Brad, youll like the grab on it....they will sometimes still pull apart at the seam.....depends on the torque asked from it.......i took a hot 1/16 drill bit and melted holes thru mine at the joint and laced thru it with with waxed thread after gluing.......last forever now........
Hi Brad. You have great tutorials, indeed ! 👍 In this specific case, however, I believe that you *glued the belt the reverse side* ... I'm not an expert, like you are, but I refer to Fig.7 of the "Belt Splicing Instructions" prepared by the Engineering Department of SOUTH BEND LATHE WORKS around the 30's (you can easily find it on the web). Sorry for that... 🙁 Thanks again for your great videos, and take care 🤙 😊
Glad I'm not the only one with an aversion to adhesive processes. It's a weird thing to be scared of lol. Don't get me started on stuff involving 3M VHB tape😂
Thanks for sharing this, Brad. I called them and ordered one of their belts. Very friendly, helpful, and knowledgeable about what they are doing. Mine works great (iit's blue, however) so thanks for the tip. Happy turning! Joe
Brad, I have watched many of your videos with great interest. I have recently noticed that southbend lathes with under drive, fellow operating the belt tensioning lever from the 6 O'clock to the 12 O'clock position. My 13" SB lathe the lever rests engaged at the 9 O'clock position. When deep turning, the belt will slip. It appear to be a leather belt with a coating on the outside. It appears that properly setup, the lever should be at the 6 O'clock position for proper belt tensioning. As in I am guessing there is a cam action over center somewhere around the 8 to 7 O'clock position with the final engaged position being the 6 O'clock position. I suspect my old belt may be too short or improperly adjusted. I will investigate the belt tensioning adjustment. If you would confirm my thoughts, I will order a new belt and make the necessary adjustments and get more transfer of energy from the electric motor to the spindle. As always, you have very good CZcams videos and thanks for that. Regards, Rolly Sicard Tucson, Arizona
Yeah, it was published for about 5 minutes yesterday when I noticed that I had some addresses exposed in the video. I deleted it and recut the video with a blur over the address. We're all set now. Thanks for the comments and viewing ;)
Pity you didn't use some form of straight edge to line up the 2 ends, we could see they didn't align when you took the clamps off hence the 'hop'. Anyone else doing this in future could make a shallow wooden trough jig for the belt to sit in?
Turned out great, Brad. I do not know why, but I'm more of a mechanical fastening type of guy. Psychologically I can not seem to trust glued materials. Something about the process of gluing just makes it unreliable in my opinion (like letting the material cure for 5 minutes before attaching the other half. All glue instructions I saw require that, and I'm wondering -- won't the glue be dry after 5 minutes, seating in the open air? To me it seems like a faulty procedure. Also, a hole through the entire thickness of the belt will hold larger forces than glue that adheres only to the thin, outer surface of the belt.) Anyway, like I said, you did some awesome work on it. BTW, don't stone me for asking this because I'm rather new, but isn't there an easy way to glue and make the belt on a flat, open table, and only then put it in the lathe? (Like disassembling the engine or pulleys.) Working the belt on the lathe, between pulleys, seems uncomfortable. Keep sharing! :)
aryesegal1988 I wish there were an easier way, but since the be,t needs to be laced through the headstock AND the bed itself,it requires it to be glued in place - with the limited room and full stressful situation, lolol. Than,s for watching and your support.
Charles Ugenti the difference of an entire inch would be worrisome for me. When ordering, give them your exact measurements of the old belt, this way it'll be perfect fit.
Basement shop? Those are some beefy machines for a basement shop. (I wonder how much a belt for that steam tractor sawmill on Al Bino's business card would run based on the money for that wee tiny thing you bought.)
Looks to have been a successful job. Did you also clean the drive pulleys as well? I look forward to seeing how it works under load. Do you expect any belt stretch?
Dan Whiteford yeah, she's all cleaned up. I don't expect any belt stretch whatsoever. It's possible, but I have a lot of travel to take it up if it does.
Hi Brad seems expensive but if you cannot stand the "clak" clak clak of the zipper clasp then this maybe the ticket......but i am more interested in the power transfer please do a follow up and if you can remember how the old belt performed compared to the new one would be useful
Lawrence - the belt's underside is rubber, so it grips as well as an automotive serpentine belt. When I tension the belt, it doesn't slip. I've taken a 1/4" (.250) depth of cut in 1018 CDS. My old belt, with the clips, was (what seemed like) a leather-reinforced hybrid, that has some tackiness to it. It made some clicking noise, but the reason I replaced it was because the clips gave out and it broke. I'm most likely going to order another (clip) belt to have as a spare in case this one fails so I'm not left without a machine.
So, why no go with urethane? About 1/3 the price, And you can weld it. I used a $10 heat gun from HF, and home made jig. It has held up real good so far, and it has limited downside. See my video on it. BTW, nice machine.
How is it holding up? When I first watched this I did not understand the worry. I now have a kit sitting waiting for me to get the guts to install it....haha Here it is a 10K but the only one shot thing really is a concern.
Good afternoon, I wonder the adhesive brand, where I can buy in Brazil, optimal glue (adhesive) amendment to cold belt, we appreciate if you can help us thank await a brief contact. gustavo
Hi Brad.... im looking for a new belt for my southbend restoration project and was wondering if you still have this lathe and if the belt you used is still holding up alright and if you think it was worth the money to go the route you did? ... thanks for the great video
I have the lathe although I don't "own" it anymore. The owner has me storing it in the basement. The belt is absolutely holding up and totally worth the money!
Thank you Brad... I like the way this belt is glued on so I don't have to take the head apart again but i am the same as you ... glueing sucks... I will look into getting a belt at the same place and be sure to let Al Bino know you recommended it... cheers!!!
boa tarde, gostaria de saber a marca do adesivo, onde posso comprar no brasil, otima cola(adesivo) emenda a frio correia de transmissão, se puder nos ajudar agradeçemos obrigado aguardo um breve contato. gustavo
Brad, my name is Brad. And I'm restoring a South Bend Heavy 10 which led me to your videos. I too have a friend who oversees me being overly cautious and he often ends up being my "dude just do it - you're overthinking it" guy. You remind me of me for some reason.
If the rubber length of the ground belt is less than 3/16" long it's easier to trim it off. The rubber adds no strength to the belt and you will never miss the rubber. When you use two types of glue there is always a chance of mixing. If this happens the glue will not stick. I worked in the printing industry and was in charge of belts and training. We have trimmed the rubber for the last 15 years. Now all the belt suppliers are recommending the same.
I have this same belting on my Pittler C3 the glue I used was Gorilla glue, one side of the join has the glue and the other is simply wetted and then clamped as above. The join is absolutely solid and any glue that oozes out turns a creamy colour just like the video above. It's so much easier then messing around with two small bottles.
Great job mate I feel exactly the same trying to glue up a new belt. Taking particular care to get it right the first time. That's a gorgeous lathe. Looks mint
Nice DIY on the belt Brad, youll like the grab on it....they will sometimes still pull apart at the seam.....depends on the torque asked from it.......i took a hot 1/16 drill bit and melted holes thru mine at the joint and laced thru it with with waxed thread after gluing.......last forever now........
Brad-- Beautiful restoration!
Beautiful job restoring that lathe!
The glue is probably the strongest part of the belt!
That turned out great Brad!
Abom79 thanks Adam. How ha feeling man?
Nice----- real nice
Great video instructions. Thank you for sharing.
Nice Lathe! Thorough job.
Gary Truesdale Thanks Gary!
Good job awesome paint job on the lathe also
pmproducts Thanks, appreciate it. I sprayed it with about 3/4 coats. Kinda wished I did some body (bondo) work.
Hi Brad. You have great tutorials, indeed ! 👍
In this specific case, however, I believe that you *glued the belt the reverse side* ...
I'm not an expert, like you are, but I refer to Fig.7 of the "Belt Splicing Instructions" prepared by the Engineering Department of SOUTH BEND LATHE WORKS around the 30's (you can easily find it on the web).
Sorry for that... 🙁
Thanks again for your great videos, and take care 🤙 😊
Great job. I need to get in touch with this folks to get a new belt for my old Brown and Sharpe No2 grinder
Thanks Adam.
Clippard Lacing works very well. No glue.
sp1nrx this belt is working perfect and no noise like I was getting with my previous belt. Very happy with the results.
Glad I'm not the only one with an aversion to adhesive processes. It's a weird thing to be scared of lol. Don't get me started on stuff involving 3M VHB tape😂
Hi mate.
As per usual a very good job. I think that belt lends itself to put a funny cartoon on it though.
Marcel.
Marcel Timmers Ha - green-screen!
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Marcel Timmers was
Thanks for sharing this, Brad. I called them and ordered one of their belts. Very friendly, helpful, and knowledgeable about what they are doing. Mine works great (iit's blue, however) so thanks for the tip.
Happy turning!
Joe
Joseph Magedanz Great news Joe. They're a nice group of people and the belts really hold up well. No issues with mine to date ;)
You did good Kid (That's what the old guys would say ) It looks like a nice product
not2fast4u2c Thanks bro, appreciate it.
brad glade you are up an running.bob
Robert Kutz thanks Rob ;)
Brad, I have watched many of your videos with great interest. I have recently noticed that southbend lathes with under drive, fellow operating the belt tensioning lever from the 6 O'clock to the 12 O'clock position. My 13" SB lathe the lever rests engaged at the 9 O'clock position. When deep turning, the belt will slip. It appear to be a leather belt with a coating on the outside. It appears that properly setup, the lever should be at the 6 O'clock position for proper belt tensioning. As in I am guessing there is a cam action over center somewhere around the 8 to 7 O'clock position with the final engaged position being the 6 O'clock position. I suspect my old belt may be too short or improperly adjusted. I will investigate the belt tensioning adjustment. If you would confirm my thoughts, I will order a new belt and make the necessary adjustments and get more transfer of energy from the electric motor to the spindle. As always, you have very good CZcams videos and thanks for that.
Regards,
Rolly Sicard
Tucson, Arizona
good job man
Thanks Pancho - she's working pretty nice now ;)
Hello Brad, I'm curious, how long did the belt last? Are you still running the belt?
She’s a beaut Clark.
Thanks dad, everything I’ve learned about exterior illumination, you taught me!
Brad, is this a republished video?
The new belt and glue up appears to be a success, congratulations.
Yeah, it was published for about 5 minutes yesterday when I noticed that I had some addresses exposed in the video. I deleted it and recut the video with a blur over the address. We're all set now. Thanks for the comments and viewing ;)
BasementShopGuy I thought so.
Thank you for your time and effort publishing these videos.
Pity you didn't use some form of straight edge to line up the 2 ends, we could see they didn't align when you took the clamps off hence the 'hop'. Anyone else doing this in future could make a shallow wooden trough jig for the belt to sit in?
How long did it last? The belt is lapped backwards. You want the lap to roll off the pulley. Not hit it. Unless your in reverse all the time.
Yeah she's backwards, but still running strong!
I am sure it has been asked, but I haven't been able to find it... what kind/color of paint did you use on your lathe restoration?
Turned out great, Brad. I do not know why, but I'm more of a mechanical fastening type of guy. Psychologically I can not seem to trust glued materials. Something about the process of gluing just makes it unreliable in my opinion (like letting the material cure for 5 minutes before attaching the other half. All glue instructions I saw require that, and I'm wondering -- won't the glue be dry after 5 minutes, seating in the open air? To me it seems like a faulty procedure. Also, a hole through the entire thickness of the belt will hold larger forces than glue that adheres only to the thin, outer surface of the belt.)
Anyway, like I said, you did some awesome work on it. BTW, don't stone me for asking this because I'm rather new, but isn't there an easy way to glue and make the belt on a flat, open table, and only then put it in the lathe? (Like disassembling the engine or pulleys.) Working the belt on the lathe, between pulleys, seems uncomfortable.
Keep sharing! :)
aryesegal1988 I wish there were an easier way, but since the be,t needs to be laced through the headstock AND the bed itself,it requires it to be glued in place - with the limited room and full stressful situation, lolol. Than,s for watching and your support.
Looks Great. I checked my belt out it is only 60 5/8 x 2". Since I have the SB 13 wondering if I can use the 61 5/8"?
Charles Ugenti the difference of an entire inch would be worrisome for me. When ordering, give them your exact measurements of the old belt, this way it'll be perfect fit.
Basement shop? Those are some beefy machines for a basement shop. (I wonder how much a belt for that steam tractor sawmill on Al Bino's business card would run based on the money for that wee tiny thing you bought.)
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Looks to have been a successful job. Did you also clean the drive pulleys as well? I look forward to seeing how it works under load.
Do you expect any belt stretch?
Dan Whiteford yeah, she's all cleaned up. I don't expect any belt stretch whatsoever. It's possible, but I have a lot of travel to take it up if it does.
Please want to order this belt for my grinding machine
Hi Brad seems expensive but if you cannot stand the "clak" clak clak of the zipper clasp then this maybe the ticket......but i am more interested in the power transfer please do a follow up and if you can remember how the old belt performed compared to the new one would be useful
Lawrence - the belt's underside is rubber, so it grips as well as an automotive serpentine belt. When I tension the belt, it doesn't slip. I've taken a 1/4" (.250) depth of cut in 1018 CDS. My old belt, with the clips, was (what seemed like) a leather-reinforced hybrid, that has some tackiness to it. It made some clicking noise, but the reason I replaced it was because the clips gave out and it broke. I'm most likely going to order another (clip) belt to have as a spare in case this one fails so I'm not left without a machine.
BasementShopGuy Hey Brad did the old belt slip with that depth of cut?
Lawrence Harasim Not one slip. I probably could have even gone more.
So, why no go with urethane? About 1/3 the price, And you can weld it. I used a $10 heat gun from HF, and home made jig. It has held up real good so far, and it has limited downside. See my video on it.
BTW, nice machine.
Seth Watson I dunno, I just took recommendation from a friend and the belt worked out great. I very happy with it.
BasementShopGuy Fair enough.
What size lathe is that? And what was the belt size? Thanks Mark
Just for interest check out Habasit belts
819John thanks John, I'll check em out ;)
HOW THE PINION GEAR IS CONNECTED TO SPINDLE
How is it holding up? When I first watched this I did not understand the worry. I now have a kit sitting waiting for me to get the guts to install it....haha Here it is a 10K but the only one shot thing really is a concern.
phooesnax The belt is working perfect. I couldn't be happier.
Good afternoon, I wonder the adhesive brand, where I can buy in Brazil, optimal glue (adhesive) amendment to cold belt, we appreciate if you can help us thank await a brief contact.
gustavo
Is it possible to change flat belt pulleys to v belt pulleys? Is it worth it?
Great Lathe and that green looks very nice on there :) How thick is that belt?
Maybe 3/16" and about 1.5" wide
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You could save yourself some stress if you clamp with mole grips instead of g-clamps if you don't have a spare pair of hands
Hi Brad.... im looking for a new belt for my southbend restoration project and was wondering if you still have this lathe and if the belt you used is still holding up alright and if you think it was worth the money to go the route you did? ... thanks for the great video
I have the lathe although I don't "own" it anymore. The owner has me storing it in the basement. The belt is absolutely holding up and totally worth the money!
Thank you Brad... I like the way this belt is glued on so I don't have to take the head apart again but i am the same as you ... glueing sucks... I will look into getting a belt at the same place and be sure to let Al Bino know you recommended it... cheers!!!
where can i get the lathe foot? it look good!!
like the video but the chowing of the gum drove me nuts , I think if you are doing a vid spit the gum out
+MrMrbowhunter001 LOLOL - now that I hear it too, it's driving ME nuts! For sure - no more gum ;)
great did not mean to be mean lol
Why didn't you weld the belt?
Weld the belt? the kit has the appropriate glue and it worked out just as it should.
Doesn't look straight. You should have made a simple jig for it to sit in. Sure enough, when you fired her up the belt had that 'hop'
Yes, I know it's not straight.
It might be pronounced "beano."
That flatdrivebelts-anysize.com site seems to be down in 2019. Anyone with any information as to a new source for flat belts for SBLs?
Another good demonstration
m.czcams.com/video/PDvAOYPmebI/video.html
boa tarde, gostaria de saber a marca do adesivo, onde posso comprar no brasil, otima cola(adesivo) emenda a frio correia de transmissão, se puder nos ajudar agradeçemos obrigado aguardo um breve contato.
gustavo
Too much glue