WAR REPARATIONS are better than you think!

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Komentáře • 148

  • @danimag3904
    @danimag3904 Před rokem +780

    i am 95% of players because i like my name being bigger on the map

    • @barackobama7254
      @barackobama7254 Před rokem +35

      No way same (what why tf I have 14 likes?)

    • @m00nch11d
      @m00nch11d Před rokem +44

      You mean "GREATER"

    • @yeatnumber1Dmuncher
      @yeatnumber1Dmuncher Před rokem +40

      @@m00nch11d "To form the Greater German Reich requires a Heart of Iron" - mustache man

    • @fancynaeser9154
      @fancynaeser9154 Před rokem

      based.

    • @cryptic2121
      @cryptic2121 Před rokem +21

      @@yeatnumber1Dmuncher I can’t believe Hitler made a hoi4 reference in ww2 😳😳

  • @christiandelesie6308
    @christiandelesie6308 Před rokem +425

    the 25% from puppets wasnt bugged. you were looking at the list of factories you OWN (either from trade, occupied land, built in your own land, or taken via factory rights). you dont own the factories you get from integrated puppets or fascist puppets. if you looked under your construction queue, you'd see that you actually can construct. hover your cursor over the number of civs you have and it will give you this breakdown:
    Owned - 0
    From Subjects - X
    TLDR
    the factory count at the top of the screen is owned factories, but puppet factories are accessed, not owned.

    • @Tommuli_Haudankaivaja
      @Tommuli_Haudankaivaja Před rokem +84

      Once again, Feedbackgaming not knowing what he's talking about.

    • @nathaniellamb9184
      @nathaniellamb9184 Před rokem +1

      Good comment! Thank you!

    • @martinbruzek6383
      @martinbruzek6383 Před rokem +13

      @@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja Literally was thinking the same I just can't watch this guy with the intention of learning something from him.. I bring myself to watch a video like this once a few months and it's misleading every time

    • @spiderhouse9809
      @spiderhouse9809 Před rokem

      Correct and sometimes they don't add up untill some time have passed

    • @Bigzthegreat
      @Bigzthegreat Před rokem +1

      What an embarrassing oversight by FeedBackGaming, with how shoddily make the video was, I will consider watching him with the intentions of trying to learn. Thank you for displaying this message in the comments section.

  • @rps215
    @rps215 Před rokem +165

    Fascist puppets from peace conference starts from Level 1 or the lowest level, but other ideologies' puppets starts at Level 2. Not to mention Fascist puppet requires different amount of independence score to get promoted or demoted. However there is a caveat, as Fascist puppets at level 1 do not give the master 100% manpower the others have as Integrated Puppet, and the only way Fascists can get 100% manpower is from Collaboration Government.

    • @cromancer3219
      @cromancer3219 Před rokem

      But fascist puppets will get 7% recruitable population from generic focus tree

  • @timothysherman8647
    @timothysherman8647 Před rokem +99

    I really like the idea of puppeting and war reparations being more powerful than straight up annexing a country. There has to be an incentive to create puppets otherwise I'd just annex everything and grow compliance. The new peace deal system actually makes me sometimes puppet countries, which I never really did before unless I wanted to make a buffer state.

    • @hecticbjorn7831
      @hecticbjorn7831 Před rokem

      I do think you get more manpower and such from 100% compliance annexation and you don't complete gut your puppet by taking all their factories either. So personally I feel annexing with high comp is still a lot more powerful although it is also harder to do.

  • @chico-percebe
    @chico-percebe Před rokem +49

    In the reality the puppet factories are represented as outside of your own factories as same as you get 2 civs with china in the focus tree. That's the reason that it's not appear in the top but if you go in the construction panel you can see the civs that the subjects provides you

  • @truesurvivor585
    @truesurvivor585 Před rokem +56

    This new Peace Conference System is interested but a bit confusing in terms of UI. I tried creating a seperate puppet in southern Nationalist China after a war fighting on the side of the communists and Japanese but for some reason the territory kept on going to Qing China

  • @Stepbro_Im_Stuck
    @Stepbro_Im_Stuck Před rokem +12

    i think the thing with integrating the puppets is that it can take quite a long time until you get the civs. When I did Imperial Fed once it sometimes took like one to two weeks until i got the civs

    • @ImmaOnDaInternetz
      @ImmaOnDaInternetz Před rokem +4

      I think this is the biggest issue he's having, I've had it take a few months before it kicks in and suddenly have an extra 40 military factories.

  • @titchymitchy56
    @titchymitchy56 Před rokem +7

    When I puppet a country it takes a month or two to give the factorys

  • @tuluppampam
    @tuluppampam Před rokem +4

    The tab showing only 20 factories from occupied states only shows 20 because that's the max level of civs

  • @man2..
    @man2.. Před rokem +9

    I think the puppet thing where they give 25% industry to overlord is a feature where they help you build stuff in your own production que with their civilian factories not sure doe havent tested

  • @bengo2237
    @bengo2237 Před rokem +4

    If you build civs in an puppet with warreps, did this give you thes civs, so you had more biuldingslots and lower the autonomy of the puppet at the same time?
    That is mad op for county's with few buildingslots

  • @CarvaxIV
    @CarvaxIV Před rokem +9

    You need to give it a few days or reload the game to get the puppet factories.

  • @AdamShifnal
    @AdamShifnal Před rokem +5

    colab states can be during DURING the war, whereas War Reps is only after the war

  • @VarenvelDarakus
    @VarenvelDarakus Před rokem +6

    what collab(compliance) gives you: menpower(possibly) all recources , all mills (war reperations not give any) and puppet gives like 50% or 75% mills
    so war rep seams like great early war thing if you cant do 90% collab

    • @NZIGNANTI
      @NZIGNANTI Před rokem

      One negative with Collab/puppeted nations are that they'll lose their unique focus tree and start from zero, a standard minor focus tree.

    • @lolloblue9646
      @lolloblue9646 Před rokem

      @@NZIGNANTI Only if you set up a collab government while the original country still exists on the map, from my tests.
      I just edited the game so that Eritrea has the Horn of Africa common tree and then released it as a collab gov of Italy. It works and they get the Horn tree.
      I tried it with Ethiopia and it seems to be working for them as well.

    • @NZIGNANTI
      @NZIGNANTI Před rokem

      @@lolloblue9646 does it apply if they are in exile for exampe?

    • @lolloblue9646
      @lolloblue9646 Před rokem +1

      @@NZIGNANTI a capitulated country that's not been annexed is still technically on the map, just under foreign occupation.
      If you create a Greece collab gov in the Dodecanese while the real Greece has capitulated but hasn't been annexed for example, Italian Greece will have the generic tree. That's the gist of it from my tests.

  • @gigaus0
    @gigaus0 Před rokem +1

    Collab gov now isn't for getting factories-- war reps do that much better for actually play time. It's now instead for getting manpower and trade.

  • @polishscribe674
    @polishscribe674 Před rokem +1

    You know civilians factories are not all? In fact, that's the last thing I want from annexed country.

  • @eetulehtinen7304
    @eetulehtinen7304 Před rokem +1

    Polish people just watching their homeland get capitulated a dozen times: 👁️👄👁️

  • @Akira34567
    @Akira34567 Před rokem +1

    factories from puppets (reichkomm,integrated puppet) comes slowly you have to wait a couple months

  • @spiderhouse9809
    @spiderhouse9809 Před rokem

    Collab is to garentee that the land will be yours and no one can take it in the peace deal

  • @markcostello5120
    @markcostello5120 Před rokem +1

    6:00 Didn't you delete all your factories? 25% of zero is how much? ZERO.

  • @vertexed5540
    @vertexed5540 Před rokem

    The puppeted Poland Reichskommisariat from the start doesn't give any civilians in a vacuum, but I believe that if you build in their territory their factories will go towards that

  • @Pyth0n295
    @Pyth0n295 Před rokem +1

    There was a thing for me maybe it was visual but but when I had their factories it didn’t show up in the civ thing but. I was still using them

  • @davidbascom5781
    @davidbascom5781 Před rokem +6

    I actually don't know do you get mil factories from collabs? I'm pretty sure you do. You can only get civs from war reps meaning if you do the collab gov you will get more factories w the mills too?

  • @patrickfrantz9808
    @patrickfrantz9808 Před 6 měsíci

    The real strength of Collaborative Governments is they can be released during a long drawn out war.
    To get a puppet AND war reparation you need peace conference. Collaborative governments can be released at anytime if the compliance is high enough.

  • @jessicalindo7977
    @jessicalindo7977 Před rokem +4

    I really love the new peace deals, could be less confusing by a looooooong shot sometimes with claiming and revoking claims on land and such, but it used to be a lot worse. I love it that to get resources from a country now, I don't even have to puppet them, just change government and apply resource rights, that's it, that's like 4 years of resource issues solved

  • @tanner9956
    @tanner9956 Před rokem

    Yea I did this once the dlc came out it’s the best way to go about it

  • @TrevorSmithy
    @TrevorSmithy Před rokem

    Puppet civs only update on the 1st of every month, not every day.

  • @haukionkannel
    @haukionkannel Před rokem +2

    How long you get factories from war preparations? 5 Years, so not the best option in the long run, but you win wars in short time period, so it seems really viable option.

  • @piercebunge4297
    @piercebunge4297 Před rokem

    Be missed that one small part near Krakow that's why he only got 29 probably

  • @markusreed5447
    @markusreed5447 Před rokem

    What I'm curious about is if you can Demill them and War Rep as your Puppet and just build more Civs in them and you gain access to them

  • @itande0551
    @itande0551 Před rokem

    I just decided to play as Kaiser Germany only annexing my core pre-ww1 territory (and the Netherlands because they decided to prevent the Kaiser to return) for fun and exploring new tactics, so I made everything else puppets or put super harsh deals on them
    To my surprise I did it better than with the Nazis annexing everything that moved

  • @m.a5669
    @m.a5669 Před rokem

    And what if you use the received civ factories to build up the puppet who gave you those civs, just so you can annex them later? Would that work?
    Pretty sure once you start building inside a puppet state you reduce their autonomy, so technically it could work.

  • @kimminen
    @kimminen Před rokem +1

    Yes the bug have been there sens they changed the puppet system it will fix it self after a new factory is built in the puppeted nation in the old builds dont know now tho. Have not played in some time.

  • @hummel6364
    @hummel6364 Před rokem

    Don't forget that Collab also gives you all other types of industry, as well as resources.

    • @NZIGNANTI
      @NZIGNANTI Před rokem

      One negative with Collab/puppeted nations are that they'll lose their unique focus tree and start from zero, a standard minor focus tree.

  • @bishopspitfire4399
    @bishopspitfire4399 Před rokem

    The 25% from puppies isn't a bug it is a percentage of the factories you have. If you have 4 factories at the beginning then you will get 1 civilian factory from Poland, etc.

  • @mahgajl1307
    @mahgajl1307 Před rokem

    GigaChad players, who want to annex provs, can use civ oversight everywhere except resions with most factories.

  • @CesarAugustoRocabadoVillegas

    Have you waited at least one day every time?

  • @josephowen4732
    @josephowen4732 Před rokem +25

    Are those +25%to civilian factories not dependent on how many civs you already have? So 25% of 0 is still 0. If you have 12 factories would you not get an extra 3 factories?

    • @jellyrolls2765
      @jellyrolls2765 Před rokem

      No, puppets don't multiply your factories, they give a portion of their factories. +25% means that they increase the percentage of their factories that they give to you by 25

    • @nicksonassailant8480
      @nicksonassailant8480 Před rokem

      Came here to type this

    • @error5202
      @error5202 Před rokem

      This

    • @GReznov
      @GReznov Před rokem

      no... its 25% on their factories, he was just looking at the wrong UI (he can see the puppet civs in construction)

    • @GReznov
      @GReznov Před rokem

      at least that's what I think is happening? its not 25% of ur eco though that I'm sure about

  • @besacciaesteban
    @besacciaesteban Před rokem

    I dunno about MP, but in SP 90% of the games are done for when you reach peace conference.

  • @atiliusz8656
    @atiliusz8656 Před rokem

    It takes a few days to update the civ count

  • @g0ngsh0w1
    @g0ngsh0w1 Před rokem +1

    This is very powerful for Japan, after winning an early China war, getting more of their industry with reparations and more of their recources via puppet and new peace deal mechanics, leads to a stronger buildup to the war with the Allies. If you optomize your ship builds, you can completely overpower the British and American navies (thanks 71Cloak)!

  • @e365exercise3
    @e365exercise3 Před rokem

    Does it give a factory bonus of your countries’ factory output? If you have 12, the 25% bonus would give you 3 so you get 15.

  • @nathaniellamb9184
    @nathaniellamb9184 Před rokem

    Hey yo feed back! Video experiment, how to get the maximum naval dockyards from non core territory! My current meta as Austria Hungary building a navy is, 1-2 Collab governments in Italy before conquest and rebuilding every factory as a a dockyard!
    It sucks but helps late game destroyer spam.
    Italy is become dockyards

  • @berkbozlov5036
    @berkbozlov5036 Před rokem

    Probably most effective results with Bulgaria (Ferdinand I)

  • @IMP_ROM
    @IMP_ROM Před rokem

    This channel is simply a W.

  • @kaltenstein7718
    @kaltenstein7718 Před rokem +1

    What if you colab and then release them via decision?

  • @Xeemix
    @Xeemix Před rokem

    Honestly dying for Navy officer corp spirits!

  • @lars9925
    @lars9925 Před rokem

    You also get pop from colab govs so they are worth it.

  • @KevVIII
    @KevVIII Před rokem

    I am a bit late, but in a way, downright annex (with collab on the side) should also include the growth potential of a nation. Germany taking early Poland and France, for instance, would allow these occupied states to grow in compliance and be part of total buildable land. However, if Germany takes Soviets later down the line, then it may be preferable to take only the necessary lands to suit their needs and asking for war reps since it would be neigh impossible to up any compliance until the game ends.
    In the end, there doesnt seem to be one over another. It seems like you are limiting yourself if you start doing war reps for super early wars, but the merit of just flat taking the current industrial capability of opposing nation after all their industrial focuses are done seems to carry more and more merit as the game progresses towards end stage.

  • @jamiem6810
    @jamiem6810 Před rokem

    That would be good for a country like usa so you dont have to deal with resistance

  • @maiqtheliar789
    @maiqtheliar789 Před rokem

    Annexation go brrr.

  • @lucaslana2462
    @lucaslana2462 Před rokem

    Poland don't give any factorys as a puppet because poland have few factorys and 25% are not a entire factory

    • @deathdealer312
      @deathdealer312 Před rokem

      They have 30 civs

    • @GReznov
      @GReznov Před rokem

      he beefed poland at the start with console commands

  • @piccione090bigsavo8
    @piccione090bigsavo8 Před rokem

    with italy and the new occupation law i made factory from air and i had more factory than it shoud by building them in africa

  • @vylinful3198
    @vylinful3198 Před rokem

    I love this channel

  • @army2207
    @army2207 Před rokem

    The only downside by gaining factories from puppets is you dont get more manpower

  • @Tommuli_Haudankaivaja

    You get most factories long term with max collaporation, but without creating a collaporation government.

    • @NZIGNANTI
      @NZIGNANTI Před rokem

      Yes. Also another negative with Collab'd/puppeted nations are that they'll lose their unique focus tree and start from zero, a standard minor focus tree.

    • @Tommuli_Haudankaivaja
      @Tommuli_Haudankaivaja Před rokem

      @@NZIGNANTI That's a good or bad thing depending on the nation. Some trees have less factories than the generic one. Also, multiple nations having the same tree could break the game.

  • @spacekicker4
    @spacekicker4 Před rokem

    What paradox having mechanics that don't make sense? I haven't seen that since the last patch.

  • @davialves6157
    @davialves6157 Před rokem

    which game version is that ?

  • @tagus100
    @tagus100 Před rokem

    So puppet and add war reparations for most civs? Thanks Dave.

  • @joda7129
    @joda7129 Před rokem +1

    I think the extra factories on reichskommisariat from war reps is because of the 25% extra civs. i think it is bugged and only works when it is giving you the factories and doesnt give them automatically but since it is already giving them from war reps it actually does give every factory. idk though

  • @aerilonn
    @aerilonn Před rokem

    Can you puppet and take civ?

  • @notniko6914
    @notniko6914 Před rokem

    Niemcy it's been 77 years and you still owe me 8 billion euro

  • @Churchill_VII_enjoyer
    @Churchill_VII_enjoyer Před rokem +7

    hi

  • @benpilon5467
    @benpilon5467 Před rokem +1

    In regards to the puppets, you have to let time pass from a bit to get the factories, waiting a couple days is not enough, they trickle in slowly. This is how I remember it working in my games someone correct me if I am mistaken. @titchymitchy56 seems to agree with my experience as well.

  • @a3810
    @a3810 Před rokem

    do I need any dlc to annex puppets? I only got the vanilla hoi4, and there is no button for subjects after I made a puppet, I am actually complete starter and still try to figure out how does the game mechanics works

    • @shadowmane6528
      @shadowmane6528 Před rokem

      You Need a dlc you Need the dlc where the british puppets get a Focus tree

  • @charlietroop5249
    @charlietroop5249 Před rokem

    Are you still paused and not passing 2400 on the time?

  • @Syndikris
    @Syndikris Před rokem

    but collabs also give you access to more manpower so imo they are better if you want to spend the time to get them

    • @NZIGNANTI
      @NZIGNANTI Před rokem

      One negative with Collab/puppeted nations are that they'll lose their unique focus tree and start from zero, a standard minor focus tree.

  • @williampavlik9734
    @williampavlik9734 Před rokem

    I cant annex my pupets because i dont have the dlc

  • @piggymadbr0
    @piggymadbr0 Před rokem

    SPEEEED Siuuuuuuu !!!

  • @CARL_093
    @CARL_093 Před rokem

    👍👍

  • @USofA
    @USofA Před rokem

    But my big borders.

  • @zokkurax3152
    @zokkurax3152 Před rokem +2

    Shpeed

  • @tredbobek
    @tredbobek Před rokem

    4:15 that's... weird. You should definietly getting some. If you start as Japan, you have 2 puppets with the same Civ/Mil industry to overlord stat, and you are getting them (Manchuria has 3 mil 2 civ, Menguko has 1 civ. You are getting 2 mils and 1 civ from Manchuria).
    Bugged? Console commands mess up? Factories are damaged? Idk
    I often puppet the Soviets so I get factories and manpower without any need for occupation.
    You also lose war reps if the puppet gets into a war (I think? There is something along those lines)

  • @bal441
    @bal441 Před rokem +4

    Здравствуйте

  • @ezrad3
    @ezrad3 Před rokem

    Boyos

  • @emmetjames2482
    @emmetjames2482 Před rokem

    I think because of the new reparations decision, the game doesn't think it need to give civs.

  • @ant420
    @ant420 Před rokem

    😭help me with resistance

    • @penzorphallos3199
      @penzorphallos3199 Před rokem

      Tips: -build interwar light tanks. With dlc use wheel and 1 mg. Costs less than armored cars, and have higher suppression than cavalry. Also it has armor so you won't lose as much equipment or manpower in resistance attacks.
      -make a garrison template, of 1 police company and 25 cavalry or light tank. Needs more equipment but is cheaper overall. If police gives 10% more suppression, with 1 cav (2 suppression) you gain 0.2 suppression but with 25 cav (50 suppression) you gain 5. It's like having 3 more cav unit. Cav is cheap but use light tank when you have industry.
      -always do the 'create collaboration government' Spy mission on countries you want to invade, so you get high compliance and lower resistance when you invade. Less trouble long term.
      -use 'martial law' occupation rule by default, it keeps resistance at super minimum if you have 0 compliance in a country you invade. 0 resistance = 0 problem but obviously compliance will be low and won't get industry or resources. High compliance lowers resistance. High resistance lowers compliance. And harsh occupation rules will lower compliance :(
      -use the spy mission "rout out resistance", your spies will lower resistance with 0 effort. And when resistance is near 0 you can lower the occupation rule to less harsh rules, and develop compliance and use less garrisons in occupied lands.
      -Areas with a capital or large cities (big round dots), have higher resistance by default. Focus those lands with spy missions or harsher laws. Rest of areas with lower population can have less hars laws often times.

  • @bene3685
    @bene3685 Před rokem

    I like Puppets

  • @giovannidimarco8632
    @giovannidimarco8632 Před rokem

    95% of hoi players havent showered in 6 months!!!!!!!!!

  • @1stWarlord
    @1stWarlord Před rokem

    Japan can become quite powerful by demanding war reps on china instead of straight up annexing it.

    • @ass4sale2
      @ass4sale2 Před rokem

      Why would you do that when Manchu and core all of China and you just steal all their factories.

  • @jeffreypeters2803
    @jeffreypeters2803 Před rokem +6

    You forget collab government also makes capitulation easier. For someone like the USSR or US that saves a ton of work

    • @clorox2595
      @clorox2595 Před rokem +3

      11:07 He said that

    • @NZIGNANTI
      @NZIGNANTI Před rokem

      True, but one negative thing with Collab'd/puppeted nations are that they'll lose their unique focus tree and start from zero, a standard minor focus tree.

    • @jeffreypeters2803
      @jeffreypeters2803 Před rokem

      @@NZIGNANTI I wasn't aware of that actually, though to be honest, I would primarily only do collab government when I'm planning on annexing, given that it gives you far higher compliance once you do so. Do they not keep their focus trees if you puppet them? I've seen that happen plenty of times in my runs

    • @NZIGNANTI
      @NZIGNANTI Před rokem

      @@jeffreypeters2803 yep a crappy generic focus tree, especially screws you if you do it before a civil war

  • @einruberhardt5497
    @einruberhardt5497 Před rokem

    Am i the only one who feels said for the polish sims that needed to die for that educational video? @FeedbackIRL please add a "No historic human population was harmed during this testing" in front of your videos.

  • @christopherrodriguez4854

    go on a communist nation and try liberated workers occupation law

  • @kenobiwanobi2569
    @kenobiwanobi2569 Před rokem +2

    Playing the game LMAO

  • @prosopro3146
    @prosopro3146 Před rokem

    Why you got 0 from poland is because you get %25 of all your factories from poland(at least thats what I think)and you had 0 factories so you didn’t get any

    • @deathdealer312
      @deathdealer312 Před rokem

      It shpuld be 25% of theirs, right? Thats a bug, surely

    • @GReznov
      @GReznov Před rokem

      no its 25% OF THEIR factories, if it's 25% of yours that's bugged

    • @GReznov
      @GReznov Před rokem

      if he looked at his construction menu he'd be able to see his puppet factories there

  • @brap10151
    @brap10151 Před rokem

    This whole video is a fail 😂

  • @Tommuli_Haudankaivaja

    I shouldn't watch these videos, because Dave quite clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, which increases my blood pressure.