🎹 Clash of the Keyboards: Yamaha P145 vs Casio PX-S1100 🎹
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Introduction
The Yamaha P145 is fairly new on the market, and today, we’ll be comparing it to the Casio PS-X1100.
On paper, the Casio is far better than the Yamaha, but musical instruments cannot be judged solely on specifications. It is vital to actually play them, and ideally side-by-side.
The Yamaha has some bright spots that compare very well if not better than the Casio.
The Casio costs USD600, CDN899, whereas the Yamaha costs USD500, CDN750.
Specifications
Casio PS-X1100
This keyboard was released in 2021, and uses Casio’s Multi-dimensional Morphing AiR tone generator that incorporates 4 or 5 sampling layers with synthesis, volume, and EQ morphing to eliminate any sample stepping, as well as extra-spacial processing. It has one of the most impressive piano tones of any major manufacturer.
The PS-X1100 comes with 18 onboard tones, two 8-watt backward-facing speakers, Bluetooth wireless MIDI to connect to the Cordana app or any other Bluetooth MIDI iOS or Android app, and two discrete left and right ¼ inch outputs. Casio is the only manufacturer to offer that at this price point. The keyboard is also battery operated making it a very portable option.
Yamaha P-145
The P-145 comes with 64 notes of polyphony, versus Casio’s 192, and uses the CFIIIS piano samples. It has 10 onboard tones, two 7-watt backward-facing speakers, and one damper resonance engine. There is a Bluetooth MIDI adaptor available to purchase as well.
Actions
Casio started an industry trend by developing a very compact action. They took some flack for this because, due to the shorter pivot length, there are very different amounts of resistance on the keys depending on whether you play them near the front or back. This allowed them to shrink the form factor and reduce the weight to the 25-pound range.
When playing basic to intermediate level repertoire, this action feels great.
The Yamaha P-145 and P-245 are both now using highly compacted actions, with all of the pros and cons that come with that.
That being said, these two actions do not feel the same; the mechanical sensation and sense of depth of the keys are quite different. The Casio has a greater key depth which feels more like an acoustic piano when playing near the front of the key, but results in a greater gradient difference when playing near the back of the key.
The key texture on the Casio has a greater sense of grip than the Yamaha with the Yamaha using a traditional polished white and matte black key top. Both actions have dual sensors and neither has escapement simulation.
Stu’s Thoughts
When considering the signal alone, the PS-X1100 produces a thicker more complex signal on a lot of patches, especially the main Hamburg Steinway piano. That sound gets rendered through the onboard speakers really well, particularly through the mid and upper mid ranges. If doubling up sounds, which both keyboards can do, the 64 notes of polyphony on the Yamaha will run out quickly to the point where you would not be able to use it professionally if you wanted to play layered piano and strings.
If playing with just the core piano tone, the Yamaha has a better bass performance, punchier and cleaner, as well as a cleaner treble in the top octave than the Casio.
If you have the extra $100 to spend on the Casio, you are getting a lot for that; ¼ inch outputs, 18 nice thick tones, and specialization and reverb settings. It also has a more nuanced, complex mid-range which is better reproduced with the onboard speakers than the Yamaha.
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If all this digital pianos came with Tsu's hands in the package they would be priceless 😄 Thanks so much for the Videos
Haha that is a very good point! I'll be sure to pass on those words to Stu. Thanks for tuning in! :)
I have the Casio and always feel it needs a pair of tweeters. Hope the next iteration will have them. My current solution is to connect an Edifier D12 through the line out. Now treble is cleaner and bass is deeper. The good news is that the line out does not cut off the on-board speakers so now I have a 6-speaker system on the cheap.
That is quite the setup! Thanks for sharing. :)
The Casio PXS1100's samples are great, but the speakers are not particularly powerful or robust sounding. But, as you've pointed out, when paired with external speakers or amplifiers, the piano sound exponentially improves!
The price difference is also 100 euros in Europe. I've never played on a weighted Casio before and would definitely like to try. I used to have an entry level Casio arranger and the key feel was much better to the expensive PSR I had at the time. From your description of the action I guess I'd like the Casio more than the yamaha.
The Casio PXS1100 is a really impressive machine! They sound great and feel quite rewarding to play. I also think they have the most attractive aesthetic of any portable digital on the market right now. :)
In the UK/Europe the price difference when comparing them discounted is about £70-£80. With the current Yamaha cashback offer, that widens to £130. I got the Yamaha p145 for £320 (with cashback) vs £444 for the Casio at the same retailer. I'm happy with the p145 and whilst there may be better pianos I don't think I would notice the difference as a beginner.
Congrats on your P145! They're very solid instruments. :)
Thanks for sharing the pricing information in your region too!
Thank you for this comparison, I'm going to buy my first ever piano and I'm trying to decide between these two...
Both these DPs are at the same price in my country. I really liked the casio pxs1000, although I've seen many people complain about its key action, which worried me.
I had the opportunity to try it out in person, and I REALLY liked the sound. The key action didn't bother me it felt good (I'm a complete begginee, tho)
Unfortunately, I couldn't find the p145 to try it out and compare. So I'm kinda trying to decide it. I'm really digging the Casio, tho. I'm only worried if the action will be detrimental to my piano learning as a comolete begginer and once I'm able to play more advanced pieces, but I think I'll probably end up choosing it.
You're very welcome! These are both excellent instruments that offer great cost-to-value ratios. With that said, the decision does come down to a matter of personal preference. The Casio PX1100's action will play a bit lighter, but I still find it to be a very rewarding musical experience. And the piano tone and aesthetics it offers is truly awesome! :)
the casio cannot be compared to the Yamaha p145.The Casio is clearly the better piano.Another thing that is a major oversight of this video and i think all reviews of the Casio by this site is that there is no mention of the proprietary SMART scale action technology,that CASIO uses,which is unique software that controls how the keys respond to the play.
I believe Stu has chatted about the SMART scale technology in the past (possible on the PXS6000 or PXS7000). In any case, you are certainly right that their sensor system and tracking of key response is quite impressive! :)
Casio sounds surprisingly good! The Casio sound is like hearing a piano performance from an old radio, you know that the sound is tiny, but you also know that it is a real sound of a piano. The texture of a piano sound is still there.
The Casio's piano voice is really quite excellent. If you use it in conjunction with a higher powered amp or PA with more robust speakers, it is even more impressive in fact!
@MerriamPianos of corss it makes sence to compare the Casio PX-S1100 to a similarly spec Yamaha regardless of price for a fair comparison🎹🎶
As I'm sure you have discovered with our channel, we do multiple reviews and comparisons that feature the same instruments, so a PXS1100 vs P225 may very well be in the cards. ;)
i hope you will review the roland RP-30 vs roland RP-102 or 107.
Hi! Brent here! We have reviewed the RP102 and RP107 separately, but we will do our best to do a comparison with the RP30 for you. Thanks for the suggestion! :)
I found the Casio action pretty hard going and ended up selling it. But to be fair, I'm a fairly advanced player and shouldn't have bought it. I've made a few costly errors with portable pianos but settled on a Roland FP60X which is a lovely piano to play. The new compacted action on the Yamaha P145 is the best of the 2 in my opinion, I feel more secure on it. I'm really hoping Yamaha bring out a better action on their next Clavanova range, as the current CLP 735/745 are mega light and much lighter than previous models. I want a Clavanova as I love the sound but just can't cope with the light action and higher cost in comparison to Rolanda, here in Scotland.
That is certainly fair. With advanced/experienced players that are accustomed to higher end upright and grand acoustic pianos, there will be a higher demand for a more authentic feeling action. I'm glad to hear you discovered the FP60X! The PHA4 action is great and the piano tone is quite rewarding as well. :)
In my opinion the action on the 735/745 is great, nothing like it - very solid feeling, quiet, and light. The other actions generally feel mushy or flimsy/bouncy to me compared to this. And I also love the older one on the P-515, which was heavier, but also great feeling to me. It was sometimes criticized as heavy, I think for those the new one should be just perfect, Yamaha seems to have listened. But I'm just a beginner and everyone is different.
Stu... Have you done a review on the Nord Stage 4?
Hi! Brent here! We have not reviewed the Nord Stage 4 at this point. We are not Nord dealers, so it is a little trickier to review their models, but we will certainly do our best to tackle that for you if possible. :)
Ciao Stu, sarei di parte perché sono un felice possessore di Casio px s1100. Lo scelto subito per la tastiera più profonda che emula un pianoforte acustico. Ritorno del tasto rapido e la sensazione sotto i polpastrelli dell ' ivory feeling è fantastica! Collegandolo ad un impianto PA il suono esce potente. Il p145 ha una tastiera gommosa e una limitata polifonia. Il px s1100 è venduto a 525,00 eur il p145 a 440,00 eur. Ciao dall'Italia❤
Hi Roberto! Brent from Merriam Music here! Congrats on your PXS1100 purchase! They're awesome pianos with a great touch and tone. I definitely agree with your sentiment about running the PXS1100 with a PA or keyboard amp. I was pretty blown away with how good they sound through the Roland KC series keyboard amps! :)
Tuviste algún problema con tocar las teclas ? Muchos dicen que mientras más arriba toques de esta más dura es y es difícil de presionar
@@JoseSuarez-qf7il No, sinceramente questo tipo di problema io non l'ho riscontrato. Se però si vuole un tasto più pesante (80 gr. circa) devi andare su Roland fp 30x che però ha un tasto dal ritorno più lento, ha una eccellente dinamica ma una tastiera più rumorosa. Il pianoforte digitale comunque rappresenta sempre un compromesso, l' importante che abbia anche le uscite separate per il collegamento con impianto P.A. o mixer. Un saluto.
Hola amigo como son principiante quiero tu opinión el tema de la calidad de sonido y las teclas entre estos dos modelos cual me dirias que es mejor para vos ? Gracias
It is a matter of personal preference as both pianos offer something different in terms of touch and tone.
Hello, do you think p145 and p225 are different in terms of sound samples?
Hi there! The primary sounds are different between the two models. The P145 features the CFIIIS sample set, while the P225 features the CFX sample set.
Wow. Never would've thought that the Casio Px-s1100 would sound better. Currently have the P125 and I'm getting kind of sick of the sound little by little 😂. But I still love my piano though.
The PXS1100 is a bit of a dark horse at this price point. It sounds exceptional! Plus, the form factor and design is awesome. :)
I don't like the piano sounds on all the Casios. I couldn't try them in person, but it's in every review I watched. To me they aren't very realistic, too bright, especially the dynamic layers in lower velocities aren't very convincing.
@@lumpichu There's a specific genre to which Casio sounds are very good to use. It's gotta be the pop/ballad anime music. I can see myself using the Casio sounds to songs like "Literature" by Ueda Reina and "Hare Moyou" by Kiyono Yasuno (・∀・)
Mostly, people buying these kind of e-pianos to start at home studying (step by step) not difficult classical music, so they use only one-two positions for grand piano. These category of home-made enthusiastic persons want max realistic sound and less noise of keybed + quality for years. So, what is better: Cas or Yam...?
The action of Yamaha P-145 (GHC) is quieter.
Personally, I have found the PXS series actions to be amongst the quietest on the market. The P145 has a quiet action as well.
@@MerriamPianos The action of PX-S1100 is relatively quiet but the action of PX-S5000 is quite bouncy and louder than GHC
Hi, unrelated to the video but, I am currently buying an upright piano and my two choices that are available in my area are the Kawai k400 and the W. hoffman t122. Im fine with buying either one but what do you think, which is better?
Hi there! Thank you for tuning in! That is a really tough call because they're both such incredible instruments that are extremely well-built. It really comes down to a matter of musical preference between these two instruments. While the T122 is technically rated hire given that it is a handcrafted European-made instrument, the K400 is a step above all of the other K series instruments outside the K800. It is a really a personal and subjective matter in this case.
@@MerriamPianos what would you pick? And how do the touch and sound compare between them?
I have a P126 and absolutely love it. It has a soul. It’s an instrument. Kawaii is a machine.
@@jacquesracine9571 I ended up buying the t122. Asked my teacher to compare hers (k400) to it and she said it's so much better.
APS450 vs HP702?
AP550 vs HP704?
AP750 vs CLP745?
Thanks for the suggestions! We have not received our first batch of the new AP models, but you can certainly bet on reviews and comparisons once we do. ;)
I get the problem. Casio doesn't make a model with a half convincing tone at the price of the P-145. The Casio CDP range is cheap enough, but has very different advantages, making it incomparable. So, piano sound-wise, the PX-S1100 is comparable to the P-145, even if the prices are very different. Yes, yes, the P-225 is a better competitor to the PX-S1100.
Casio PX and AP pianos have some excellent sounds. It's time for Casio to be accepted as a major player in digital pianos.
I certainly agree with the sentiment about the Casio line. Their pianos are incredibly impressive. The GP line instruments are also extremely impressive and quite wonderful. Thanks so much for tuning in and sharing your insights! We appreciate it. :)
Update on what I recently said. In the UK (at least) the PX-S1100 is closer in price to the P-145 than to the P-225. The 1100 seems to be a better buy than the 145, but the Roland FP-30X is my main digital piano recommendation for first time buyers who can afford it. I also rank it higher than the P-225 and the ES-120.
Hlw please suggest me which one to by me yamaha p45 or p145 please i m very confused few people say that p145 grand piano sound little worse in p145 please guide me which one to buy me And my budget is almost 50k and can u suggest me a good piano in this price segment
Hi! Brent here! It really comes down to a matter of personal preference. My recommendation would be to test out both pianos in person to determine which one you prefer in regard to tone and touch. Furthermore, price points do vary from region to region of course, so it is difficult for us to comment on cost-to-value ratio of a particular model without knowing the exact pricing dynamics of a specific area.
@@MerriamPianosok just a simple question please yamha45 is old model which is discontinued now then should I go for yamha 45 or i should go for yamha 145 because there is minor changes so please please which is good i please
Comparison between p45 and p145 here. czcams.com/video/tIdQX2yzftE/video.html
One main difference that might affect sound is the placement of the speakers on the p45 underneath and p145 at the back. This is highlighted in the video.
Any word if there will be a replacement for the Yamaha P121?
We haven't heard any word yet, but we will certainly keep you posted if we do! :)
Here in Europe you can still buy them in a few places, but Im sure they'll all be gone soon. One of the trickier things is to find a suitable carry bag at a fair price.
Let me get this straight
P45 -> P145 (upgrade)
P125 ->P225 (downgrade, but cheaper and lighter)
???
The P225 is definitely slimmer and lighter than the P125, but I wouldn't say it is a total downgrade necessarily.
Come on Roland, bring out the successor for the RD-2000.
We have not received any updates on a successor to the RD2000 just yet, but I imagine that is in the cards for the near future. :)
Isn't the PX-S1100 suppose to be compared to the P225? Also for anyone out there I'd really like to know if Yamaha did make the black keys lighter than the white keys on the GHC🎹🎶
I completely agree. Both are $899 in Canada and both have proper outputs.
When you ask if black keys need less downweight to get moved, do you mean the front edge of a black key or the middle. There is usually at least 10-15 gram difference for these two positions.
Any action with a short pivot length is very compromised in this respect and may be not be really good to play any more demanding music pieces
Anyway, here are the values:
PS-X1100
C4 - 61g
C4# - 40g - 60g (middle of black key)
GHC
C4 - 52g
C4# - ~>50g - ~65g (middle of black key)
Michael
@@mfurman at this point it would be like comparing a Toyota Corolla to a Honda Accord🎹🎶
@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 I added some values to my previous comment
@@mfurman thanks for the reply. I was referring to the black key in general🎹🎶
@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 😊
Which one obliterates which really depends on your needs; with battery option and LR lineouts, the Casio is the clear choice for gigging (even with a horrible/non existent user interface). For home use the Yamaha obliterates the Casio - a built in USB audio interface is a massive feature Casio still hasn't figured out how to include even in their more expensive models; both keyboards require key combinations to even set voices (which is awful), but at least Yamaha labelled the keys. Yamaha Smart Pianist is exponentially better than Casio's apps (Music Space or Chordana Play; both awful); Smart Pianist adds unlimited registrations, audio recordings, ability to generate and play along with a chord chart or sheet music. No comparison unless you need to gig with it in which case, Casio.
It comes down to a matter of personal music preference as well as context of use of course. Some players will prefer the sound or touch of one instrument over another. The portability factor is also important for gigging situations too.
I had a Casio and 3 yamaha before and the Casio keyboard was definitely worse.
The new Yamaha is worse than the previous one
It also comes down to which model and price category you're discussing. Different manufacturers offer better instruments at specific price categories in some cases.
It's not enough to just say "a keyboard".
When giving a comparison, we need to be sure that we are comparing apples to apples.
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Thank you for tuning in! :)
i hope you will review the roland RP-30 vs roland RP-102 or 107.
Hi! Brent here! We have reviewed the RP102 and RP107 separately, but we will do our best to do a comparison with the RP30 for you. Thanks for the suggestion! :)