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- In this interview we dive into Dr. @bartdehrman professional thoughts about various interesting ideas. This is a must watch interview.
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That Derek guy always look for someone who is anti-Christian as interviewee but he never looks for someone who has anti-Jew or anti-Muslim opinions
Your right
It’s all lies.
Derek does such a great job of letting his guests speak their thoughts without the interruptions and contentions of debates. Mythvision honors the viewer’s intelligence this way with a Socratic exploratory method with poignant respectful questions by Derek and his Mythvision community.
Exactly. This is where he excels as a host. The others tend to talk too much forgetting why the
Y brought in the host.
Recently I watch CZcams videos for the purpose of improving my English listening skills. For some reasons, I found Dr. Ehrman’s lectures really fun to listen to. Thank you, from Japan.😊
What a wonderful interview. And Dr. Ehrman is the reason I actually subscribed to this channel, so it's great to see he's so involved here.
I have a feeling Derek is the reason Bart comes back to this channel. They have a good connection.
thank you for bringing Bart again. he seemed to get irritated by some of the naïve questions before, but now the questions are getting more interesting and he seems more forward-looking to answering these.
Best interview of the Dr. Ehrman I have seen, love the list of things i have to look up afterwards
Kind of amazing how Ehrman has such a broad base of familiarity with arcane details
This interview is amazing. I love how the interviewer actually gets into difficult questions he is interested. Even though I may not immediately know what he is talking about, his excitement gets me interested and Bart is really good at breaking down the question.
The good Dr.has had an incredible impact on me for a couple of years now. Just wow. Thank you for your dedication and hard work Dr.E.
Daily dose of MythVision 😁
I learn so much with MythVision Podast, this one in particular where Dr. Ehrman explains the fact that there was no distinction between fact and fiction in the years when the bible was put together. That in itself explains everything I was ever taught as a christian.🤓
What a great presentation. Thanks.
6:40
10:22- enoch
19:07- bodmer papyri,
23:45- Greek & roman literature destroyed?
29:52- shroud of turin
34:18- aliens
37:34- Zechariah
40:40- song of Solomon,love poem allegorized
44:11- euphemism
47:00- Ruth jonah Esther fiction ?
51:39- Deuteronomy , judges - kings
54:23 - asherah
55:26- historicity of patriarchs , Exodus , conquest
59:56-
Interesting. Think hebrew scriptures are similar in that there were different "judaisms" that were finally "edited" into 1 that then later split.
Excellent interview. Thanks for putting this together.
Just pure awesomeness!! Proud of you bro
Great talk, as always, and nice to see that Dr. Ehrman knows some basics about astronomy. The new James Webb telescope is not out looking for life (radio telescope do that - they look for radio signals/communications). One of the many things that the Webb telescope will study are the atmospheres of extrasolar planets, so we might find planets that are somewhat similar to the Earth but that does not mean that they have life.
Awesome questions and awesome Bart! The best of all the Barts!
I was a Christian for 40 years I’m 60 years old
I have a unique viewpoint of putting your life to God to Jesus and to the Bible
and then you find out it may not be true
because you start looking for evidence
I wish people would talk to me so I can explain how Christianity
affects to a persons life
how you dedicate your life to something
that might be a lie
you’re teaching your children this religion which lacks evidence
for Christianity
let me talk to the people
tell them
please think about it and find evidence
ask questions
I'm an atheist, but there's more to Christianity than the actual existence of god or whether the texts were god-inspired. Ehrman himself says although he is agnostic, he thinks the books are wonderful stories that can teach us many valuable lessons. And there does seem to be ethical teachings one can incorporate into one's life toward the betterment of oneself and humanity.
This was a great format! Thank you!!!
Again Love Bart Ehrman, legend
This might be the best ehrman interview to date. Well done Derrick.
The first communication of space aliens to us “Hey, yeah, nice to meet you, but have you guys been able to travel outside your solar system?”
What a great informative interview.
Great interview once again Derek!
If there was life of any kind found on another planet, people could then ask why wasn't it mentioned that god created it in the bible?
Amazing interview Derek!
Wonderful conversation, and so enlightening. Your questions, Derek, are so concise they inspire Dr. Ehrman to share so much wonderful insight. What's as impressive as anything is how respectfully you listen to Dr. Ehrman without interrupting his eloquence. The conversation is so rewarding it almost makes me forget how beautiful you are, Derek. Sorry if it offends, but it would be dishonest to say your stunning male beauty didn't inspire me almost as much as your brilliant colloquy .
YHWH not being a derivation of a specific canaanite god but a syncretic deity that took on the attributes of others as they expanded out is a pretty interesting view. It adds more weight to the documentary hypothesis and fits well with the traces of an origin in henotheism amongst a polytheistic people found in across the old testament. Jews gaining power over time, gradually equating chief gods with YHWH until their history forgets gods like El was originally a separate entity and making myths out of remnants of the conquered religions' practices and beliefs really helps the oddities and bouts of faithlessness in their stories. Russian Christianity and Islam strongly incorporated preexisting regional folklore into their beliefs too so it's not like it's unheard of to have an already established theology and regional cultures blend together and change things permanently for the former.
Exactly. Most think that Yahweh originally came from people in or around Midian, and then slowly syncretically replaced Baal and El-being described with their titles and powers. Mark Smith's two books, "The Early History of God" and "The Origins of Biblical Monotheism," together with John Day's "Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan" are exceptional references for this.
Right on!
See also Islam in Africa and Catholicism in Latin America.
Great job as always, take care mate.
In the beginning was Walter Bauer. And the scholarship was without form and void; and darkness was in the minds of the scholars. And Bauer said, "Let there be light!"
“Doctrinal Exam” best ever Erhman reaction. 😄
I've always had a notion even while in Divinity School, that maybe the bible characters were actually talking about Aliens but got crossed into Angels...lol
Just one correction, to 1:00:58-1:02:06. There is evidence that others also dedicated their enemies to their god. On The Moabite Stone, the king of Moab says about taking Nebo from Israel: "So I went by night and fought against it from the break of dawn until noon, taking it and slaying all, seven thousand men, boys, women, girls and maid-servants, for I had devoted them to destruction for (the god) Ashtar-Chemosh."
Great podcast Derek...!!!
Writing from Scotland :) Brilliant interview...
Its been very interesting the last few months going back and seeing the a lot of Bart Ehrman's debates and lectures. He has a amazing way of looking past solid scholarship to his version of fairytales. Fortunately there are great scholars that don't turn to fantasy and historical misconceptions for truth. I dont trust an atheists deceiver to teach at any level.. Pray for Bart Ehrman to teach truth not delusional heresy. 2 Cor 3:16,17
Ehrman is a beast!!
Hey good job. I love listening to Ehrman on this stuff and I thought this was an interesting interview with some questions I hadn't heard before. Good for you bud
37:25 - From the perspective of the light-speed traveler, length contraction (another feature of GR) would tend to make the traveled distance shorter, reducing the travel time.
To me, the real problem of superluminal travel is time contraction - the fact that the traveler could never again return to the world (and people) that they left.
two great people i enjoy their thoughtful comments
Dr. Ehrman’s laughter makes me happy
Great questions and refreshing information! Bart has been giving lectures for so long, most of his stories and points of view get repeated.
Gnostic informant makes a super intro
Dr Ehrman is a fantastic scholar. Nothing really stumps him and the logical way he reasons through the data is awesome to see. Thank you mythvision for bringing him on from time to time. That's why I subscribe. I'm not a mythicist. I'm aligned with Dr. Ehrman's thinking and have been before I knew who he was and more now.
Bart Ehrman is a weak attempt of pushing the counter reformation agenda, the wishful thinking, straw man, postmodern rationalization, conative dissonance praised by the willfully ignorant and taught by schools of LIBERAL thinking with the foundational presupposition being Textual Criticism that was formed overtime by UNBELIEVERS mainly Jesuits AFTER the Reformation.
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So many irrelevant buzzwords that don’t apply at all.😂
Don’t worry, the real threat for Christianity isn’t post modernism where everyone can have his own truth.
The biggest threat is modernism… where people try to find out what is actually true and find the evidence for Christianity severely lacking in substance.😂
so in this search for what is actually True, can you tell me ANYTHING that you know to be Universally Absolutely True in all places at all times given your worldview?
@@hudsontd7778
What does this have to do with the fact that all claims of Christianity are unverifiable and don’t hold up to scrutiny?🤔
I think it's hilarious that there is a commercial promoting Mormonism and its missionaries at the beginning of this video. Either CZcams's algorithm is way off or they love trolling you Derek. LOL!
Might have something to do with Mormons using Dr Ehrman to back up their claims. Iirc he mentioned in his interview with Apostate Prophet that both Mormons and Muslims loved to reference them for gotchas.
Is Bart doing these interviews for free? I mean you got him to talk on this interview for an hour, it's amazing.
Derek has explained repeatedly that he pays his guests.
@@RaineStudio
Sounds fair. A lawyer in New York charges about $600 an hour for consultation services.
@@RaineStudio
If i was Bart, instead of getting paid by the hour, it's probably best to ask to split the video profits 70-30 in Bart's favor.
Great editing as always
19:09 loved Dr. Bart reaction to the question 😂
After watching this, go watch the oldest Mythvision video and tell me evolution isn't real. Wow D, the rapid progression of every facet of this channel dude!
An atheist has insisted that if Abraham didn’t exist Jews and Judaism shouldn’t exist. My answer is “so what?” I don’t care. I don’t care if it’s a myth. I still celebrate Passover, even if it never happened.
Exactly, it only matters when claims are made that affect non believers in that tradition. So Moses or Exodus being fake does matter when the claims they existed are used to steal land in the present.
Jews as a set of ethnic groups and as a cultural association certainly can choose to continue as such, as can Roma or indigenous peoples.
@@crhu319
Moses, the man with the water pot is real. We still call him Aquarius.
I still can't believe Bart says the crucifixion is a historical certainty? Who died on that cross cause it definitely wasn't Jahoshua. The freemasons and esoteric people say it was judas who got crucified. Regardless, It doesn't make sense that any god would require a human sacrifice let alone animal sacrifices that actually sounds more satanic if you ask me.
My second favorite Bart man!
Really appreciate this video n Dr. Bart Ehrman is very knowledgeable about Christianity..btw sometimes Derek questions can be too long winded..Anyway really love Mythvision Channel..
Scholarly queries just are.
@@crhu319 I understand..
I like his enthusiasm
Bart is in high spirits here. I know a topic that will bring him back down to earth!
What topic is that
Historicity of Jesus. Bart knows there was no such person but would lose his position and ability to debate Christian believers if he admitted it.
Everyone comes to know the texts better with more discussion and study so thank you both for doing this. Isn't it possible that OT assertiveness towards the name YHWH was due to an inability to censor the names El and Ba'al from previous writings though?
So good.
So the Ehrman clan is full of geniuses!
Seems facile to say the Egyptians wouldn’t have mentioned the Exodus. They could have written something like, “Pharaoh wisely rid Egypt of the scourge of Yahweh’s people.”
is this a reupload
i would glad if Dr.Bart discuss about Piso family
He knows nothing about history.
posted this while I was listening to one of his books :)
This is excellent, congrats to both on such an interesting dialogue
My lord. Ehrman's brother is a scholar. His wife is a scholar. What the hell is Thanksgiving like at the table with this family? Not like my experiences I'll bet. Everyone at my holiday table THINKS they're scholars. Sheesh.
Did whoever wrote the Book of Esther choose for the title character and her cousin Mordecai names derived from two major gods of the Babylonians, Ishtar and Marduk?
Yup
19:10 yeah it's a doctoral exam, these questions are great.
I’m proud to now be a heretic. I’m done with religious cults.
Is it just me or does Derek look like Tanner Buchan (Robby Keene from Cobra Kai)?
At about the 35:00 mark on discussion of aliens and religion.
The smartest take I ever saw was Fantastic Four #262. The Trial of Reed Richards. Galactus, the only being older than the universe appears and he is so powerful and unbelievable that each alien sees Galactus based on its own race.
I wish you asked him about the original aramaic bible still not found?
I will pay cash money if you get Bart Ehrman to debate Richard Carrier.
It's so irritating that if you have a cold, everyone seems to assume you have covid.
Problem is, to the average Joe, they look interchangeable.
@@Lobsterwithinternet I'm just recovering from a serious cold. What a relief that I'm getting better because i was worried that it might worsen into bronchitis and i might need to be hospitalized. It appears that false positive covid test results are common, and that doctors can arbitrarily label cases as "covid". I have good reasons to be concerned about the medications and vaccines being pushed on patients, but in a hospital situation, with little social support nearby, i might not have the right to refuse.
I would like to ask him if he and or any other scholars know if it is true when the Bible says ' Thou shalt not enter that their Kingdom of heaven thingy unless thoustis headest has been anoiteded thrice' ? !!! Please tell me it is true because i joined the Church thinking that is all i hadest to doeth .
No it's not true
First time I have heard of anyone having a cold for about a year.
This video should probably be edited to highlight Dr. Ehrman’s upcoming lecture series at the beginning. It wasn’t mentioned until the second to last question. Seeing as getting info out about his upcoming lecture series was likely one of the main reasons he did the interview, it seems somewhat wrong to not talk about it until almost an hour into the video.
I agree with you.
I believe the Bible and God of Bible.
Paul wrote to 7 churches which in the mysteries symbolized the seven planets of antiquity
I know it is just a personal behavioral habit, but it sets my teeth on edge when guests/hosts on talk shows laugh so much at their own statements/jokes. I find Ehrman so hard to listen to sometimes because of it. People who do this may not even realize how much they do it. Maybe I'm the weird one and am bothered by to an unusual degree, but it grates on me.
I think it's just a personality trait he has developped over the years. I find it odd, but I have also watched so many hours of Ehrman material that I am now used to it.
I know what you mean, but he's so knowledgeable I put up with it.
Great interrogation of Bart Ehrman finally
5:29 Oh oh. I hear the muslim spin doctors as you said, stampeding towards that statement. Their main point is that Islam was what original christianity is and specificly Paul made Christianity up.
8:30 Did he forget the Gospel of Marc mentions it in chapter 1? Also, Matthew did know Jesus. And the authorship of the gospels is unanimous. Ireneas, Tertullien of Carthage, Clement of Alexandria, andthe author of the Muratori Fragment mention all the making ofs and authors. Also, Papias and Justin Martyr mention parts of it. Also, papyrus 75 says "KATA LOKAN" So it says its by Luke.
28:00 All of Paul's letters we posess are quoted by Clement, Polycarp and Ignatius.
43:14 They're married. Theres nothing wrong with married people finding each other beautiful,desiring them and enjoying each other phisically. And theres this line that comes up "Do not rouse or awaken to the Love until it delights" So its not like a playboy. And Ecclesiastes doesnt take a contrary view, he's telling us how its vanity.
54:42 Everyone knows they kept going after false gods from all around them. I remember taking Franceska Stavrakopoulou and Aron Ra on that one. Not only Asherah but the other false other gods also. The point is theres no polytheistic part in the Bible. They dug their own hole saying "we think the first part of the Bible that was writen was Hosea" And Hosea has this outdoing punk rock line about idolising Baal. And if you take the classic vertion, The pentateuch and Job and Joshuah are the first books and I'lljust leave it at that for what that means.
59:00 I actually expectedBart Ehrman to saythe JEPD thing isnt true. I dont know why, it sort of looks like he's trying to throw everything he can find at the Bible here.
Re 8 and 28, unanimity should be a cause for suspicion. Esp in such a contentious church. Looks more like conspiracy or a published consensus without dissent. If no alternative claims were examined, it's propaganda.
@@crhu319 What if there were no alternative claims around?
Good stuff for sure! Thank you!
0:33 so all porn is about God's Love For Man got it. It's an allegory. Time to start a love church to replace hate churches.
Calling the Tanach the “Old Testament” is supersessionist. I’m mostly interested one the anti-Judaism and antisemitism in Christianity that starts in the “New Testament.” itself.
Agreed just call it Tanach.
Okay, Stein.
The Jay-Z of Bible scholars
This must been the shortest interview channel, I guess the the guest was not in the host frequency - of God's bashing.
Tell me there is no spiritual known and change my mind..
"People that are inferior to us"? What exactly does that mean? Can he give examples of people he feels are inferior to him?
Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter.
Great movie 🍿
Doesn't everyone know of that the term "son of man" just means human being? I don't think that the greeks understood that.
I think Ehrman does excellent work, but I still don't really understand some of Ehrman's arguments or conclusions. He claims everything in the Bible are just stories, but yet he comes to the conclusion that there must have been a historical Jesus. When asked why he does he isn't completely clear and uses long ago debunked (mostly 90s) arguments. I think Carrier is way more up to date with current day academic scholarship and research.
I also think Ehrman has a completely wrong idea about mythicism. Once again his last look into mythicism was in the 90s from vague internet pages that claim Jesus = Mithra = Horus etc. He and mythicists use like 90% of the same arguments.
Seems he is personally insulted by the idea so he can't take it serious. Maybe because he hates carrier too much, who knows. It's sad however. Ultimate proof that emotions can cloud the judgement of even the most rational expert and that we all are emotional driven. Therefore never put to much value in an expert because they are flawed as well. The data they present is what counts. Even genius people occupational have stupid(amazingly stupid even) ideas and opinions..
I agree. He doesn’t ever refute Carrier, he just dismisses mythicism as nonsense without presenting a case for historicity.
Maybe it’s motivated by ego, maybe he’s just stubborn.
Ehrman is a joke on this, he even admits if he found a pile of Superman comics he would believe Clark Kent was real person.
The problem is, the NT scholarship of applying various criteria including the Criterion of Embarrassment yields a completely different character from the Jesus of the New Testament: an ordinary bloke who went around proclaiming the kingdom of god, who at the same time was yet another of those Jewish rebels, and who also fancied men as well as women. Now if the original Acta Pilati was still with us, we'd have the evidence, and the real time in which he lived (21 ce). But this revelation of another, historical Jesus (Yeshua Ha Nozrit) drops the penny that Jesus - the Jesus of the Bible - never existed!
The questions about whether Paul's experiences has a neurological explanation are better phrased as simply that. There's no value judgement about Paul being "crazy" or anything, but the only two options are that he was having psychotic experiences or he was lying about having psychotic experiences. Value judgements about mental illness are irrelevant to the question but there is nothing critically inappropriate about a speculating neurological cause for Paul's experiences if he ever even actually had any experiences. I tend to see Paul as a Joseph Smith style con artist who came up with his "revelation" schtick as a means of competing with the Jerusalem apostles, but it's possible he really thought he saw something just like it's possible Oral Roberts really thought he saw a 90 foot Jesus. Straight up grifting and scamming are ubiquitous in religion. They're almost synonymous with religion. Genuine psychotic experiences happen, but statistically far less often than hustlers just making it up and I can't read Paul without seeing a hustler. It is a red flag when ANYBODY tells you not to listen to other people.
William Ramsay thought Paul suffered from malaria, that malaria was the "thorn," and possibly what caused Paul's psychotic episodes. Ramsay caught malaria himself traveling through the same geographical areas as Paul.
Good to see someone else who read Acts fully and thought, “Wow, what a con artist!” 😂
Jesus said to John he had to leave so his father could send the comforter
Ooh, a detailed Bartering session.
dont mean to say they are crazy Ha haha hahe he he ya yaaaa
Care ful you know you believe me
Remember there's a good one and evil one Saul Paul Lilith Leah ECT
Why does it have to be scribes. It could just be educated believers that were asked to do it, or decided to do it on their own.
To understand christianity not book but faith : He is God incanated ,died and rose and now alive .
The more Ehrman the better.