Is Faith Without Works Dead? (James
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- The New Testament seems pretty clear that salvation comes by faith alone. Until you get to the book of James. This is sort of the "devil’s advocate" argument that seems to fly in the face of “salvation by faith alone.” Or at least that’s how it might seem at first glance. There’s a passage in James 2 that can lead to some confusion on this issue. That's what we examine in this video.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro - Reading James 2:14-26
02:32 Expositing James 2:14-26
07:46 What does "justify" mean?
Faith is the root and obedience is the fruit...shalom from the Philippines.❤
Thank you for your teaching. God has brought me out of a work-based belief, removed the veil, and I feel a great burden released from my shoulders from a better understanding.
Amazing teaching as always. Thank you for being such a great servant of God. Always blessed to watch your videos.
Thank you, Freddy!
Blessings, Rob
Christ be with you
He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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@@TheBiblicalRoots I'm glad you agreed with God.
When Jesus separates the sheep from the goats.
Jesus is going to say to the sheep on his right hand: come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
For I was hungry, and you gave me meat:
I was thirsty, and you gave me drink:
I was naked, and you clothed me:
I was a stranger, and you took me in:
I was sick or in prison, and you visited me.
And the sheep are going to say, Lord, when did we see you and did all these things unto you?
And the Lord is going to answer and say, when you did it to the least of these my brethren, you did it unto me.
{ Matthew 25:31-40 }
The sheep loved the brethren with good works (action).
Jesus is going to say to the goats on his left hand:
Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.
For I was hungry, and you gave me no meat:
I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink:
I was naked, and you clothed me not:
I was a stranger, and you took me not in:
I was sick or in prison, and you visited me not.
And the goats are going to say, Lord, when did we see you and not do all these things unto you?
And the Lord is going to answer and say, when you did it not to these brethren, you did it not to me.
{ Matthew 25:41-46 }
The goats did not love the brethren with good works (action).
Jesus said to the Jews, but I know you, that you have not the love of God in you.
{ John 5:42 }
Paul said to the Corinthians, though you speak with tongues of men and of angels, and though you have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge, and though you have faith to remove mountains, and though you bestow all your goods to feed the poor, and have not love, it profited you nothing.
{ 1 Corinthians chapter 13 }
John said to the brethren, beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God, and everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is love.
{ 1 John 4:7-8 }
If we don't love our neighbor with action, or if we don't love one another with action, what good is that?
LOVE WITHOUT ACTION IS DEAD!
FAITH WITHOUT ACTION IS DEAD!
John said it like this, my little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
{ 1 John 3:18 }
ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS!
The whole world needs to be taught to:
LOVE GOD
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR
LOVE ONE ANOTHER
LOVE YOUR ENEMIES
Loving one another is the solution to all evil in the world.
Thank you so so much for all the time you spend studying to show thyself approved you have helped me and i am sure many others understanding GODS WORD
Works are a truit of salvation not a pre requisite !
Says who? Of couse not the bible.
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Doesn't seem to be what St Paul say
he seems to suggest that's mocking God
Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
And let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart. (Gal 6:7-9)
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This is an interesting topic to me I wish to better understand. It seems to be a battle cry of Reformed theology ie. the need to make the point that works are not a prerequisite of justification. My current understanding is that Reformed and Lutheran theology conflate initial justification with ongoing and final justification ie. they view justification as a single one-time decision for Christ which I view as initial justification where NO works (of the Law or grace) have any influence. However, after this initial justification, the Christian enters ongoing justification where cooperation with God's good works gain importance. Any clarification you can provide would be appreciated. Thanks.
@@billlee2194 Well said. Eph 2:8 talks about initial justifification by Grace while James 2:24, Romans 2: 6-8, Romans 2:13, Gal 6:8 etc talks about ongoing & final justification where "good works" play an important role in our salvation. Protestants conflate all these and because of that they lack consistency in explaining these later verses.
@@billlee2194 early church fathers are good on their interpretation of the bible... before Calvin (ad70-320). Calvin went back to Augustines theology ad400 ish...
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Shalom Rob and amen brother.
Christ be with you
He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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I don’t remember where I saw it, but I liked how someone summarized this up.
Faith=Salvation+ Good works.
I always took this to mean that if someone says they trust God they should take the risk to provide for his brother that needs the resources if you have them, God will provide for you and Bless you with more for having placed faith in Him. But if someone says I trust God but never is willing to put themselves in a vulnerable position for God then it shows their faith isn’t sincere but just word of mouth.
This is good! Thank you.
I deal with Hebrew Israelites and works righteous people so this was fire
Brilliant!! And this is so much more important than even addressing the Hebrew Roots cult, this is so applicable to anyone depending on their own righteousness! Beautiful explanation! I was blessed! God bless.
Christ be with you
He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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I'm in agreement.
Christ be with you
He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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I totally agree with you, and it is vitally important to note that James wasn't speaking about the works of the law as skeptics claim that James contradicts Paul. Paul made it clear that no one is declared righteous by keeping the law,or the works of the law. James was referring to something totally different as the context reveals,so James doesn't say faith without the works of the law,he simply said faith without works, and we see the examples of Abraham and Rahab whose works weren't works of the law.
James 2:22 (NLT): 22 You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete.
Your explanation makes sense.
What is the Catholic doctrine about this subject? Is it similar, that works are the result of true faith?
James is talking about good works of everyday day life by doing good deeds of works. Works of love! sharing the word! He was talking about good works not the works of law !
If you have faith in God then your actions will be different, because youre a different person, God's person. Having faith in God and acknowledging His existence its not the same. Thats how i understood it. Its more of a judge of character than doings.
Christ be with you
He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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Titus 3:14 And let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not be unfruitful.
Greetings Rob, I am a Catholic. I have been watching your videos on the Hebrew Roots movement to try and get a better grasp on that subject. Really great content, thank you. I just stumbled across this video and had a question? In regards to Faith and works, what is your stance on once saved always saved? Once you are “saved“ can you lose your salvation?
Read Ephesians 1:13,14. This scripture should help give you answers to your questions.
Amen
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He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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What is the standard to keep oneself unspotted from the world? James 1:27 "Be holy (set apart )as I am holy". What are the instructions, what is that standard that one can know they are living right in God's eyes?
Shalom Shalom Professor Solberg...
Christ be with you
He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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I see Good Works mentioned in the New Testament the same as Good Deeds, not the required Works of the Law listed in the Old Testament. Is this accurate?
Good work brother
You can get David Bercots dictionary of early church fathers quotes (£30 ish) and he as done the 10 book set of early church fathers as a downloadable pdf for $3.50 available from scroll publishing.. The dictionary cross references with the pdf
I think we're confusing "works" and "works of the law." In James, the works mentioned are acts of love or other acts in obedience to God. Works of the law discussed in other verses refer to actions done in obedience to the law of Moses. "Works of the law" have no place in our salvation since we are not under the law of Moses now. Good works, on the other hand, appear to be necessary for our continuing faith to be of any value (alive and not dead). It is true that our salvation comes from faith alone when we are initially justified, but why not by faith and good works during continuing justification and sanctification. This seems to be what James is saying. The bible speaks of three tenses of salvation. We "have been saved," "are being saved," and "will be saved." I'm seeing that we have been saved and justified by faith alone, are being saved through sanctification by faith and works, and will be saved in His coming judgment by faith and works. I have trouble seeing it the traditional Lutheran way.
I enjoy your videos and books. Thanks for tackling these complicated matters.
We do not get to define what “works” is. It is God who creates the standard and definition. The Law of God (Torah) is the parameter of works because it reflects His righteousness and divine nature.
Amen. ❤
Christ be with you
He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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In other words, if you have a saving faith, you will exercise it. Your faith will be manifest in the works you do. And of course, for the Hebrew Roots advocates, this means keeping ALL the OT laws... except the majority of them for which they have exempted themselves... even though, according to them, the law of God NEVER changes. And as always... I AM CONFUSED!!
Important to read the entire bible in context. And in the original language. Rob is a language guy. He’s smart and reasonable and patient. He’s a fine Christian. Saving faith means a man is saved by faith. I’m not trying to be cute. Saving faith creates new creations
“In Christ.” New creations have new desires. James is not confusing if you understand the entire testimony of holy writ.
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I absolutely agree! It's the Hebrew Roots folks I don't agree with...
Keep in mind that even Jesus was not capable of doing every law that came through Moses.
@@wadestrickland3372 if you are taking about women being ceremonially clean you are correct. Why point out the obvious. Jesus of Nazareth purposely broke Israelite law by breaking Shabatt. He broke the appointed feast demonstrate to Israel that something more valuable than their temple and Sabbath was in their midst. Jesus was murdered because he broke Shabatt and declared he was equal with God.
@@rayray4192 how did he break Shabbat? According to Deuteronomy 13, which he was living out, for him to violate Torah would make him a false prophet. So, please, book, chapter, verse where he broke Shabbat according to the 5 books of Moses?
Jesus's blood alone cleanses us from all transgressions and unrighteousness. The sacrificed animals only have covered sin for one year only.
But even in the old covenant the priests did not seek out the sinner's hidden sins, but he only searched out, if the animal, that the sinner brought to the priest, was perfect, pure and without any faults.
So with us. God does not look after hidden sins in us when we bring Jesus as his accepted sacrifice to God. And we can come close to him, where his righteousness will have a great impact on us in our relationship with him.
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It is how old sin that have been forgiven (2 Peter 1:9-11)
We must confess our sins to be cleansed of unrighteousness (1 John 1:9)
Plese read the bible
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@@MrKev1664 you are right. I have forgotten to say that we should confess our sins after we have recognized that we are sinners and had sinned and need Jesus to save us.❤ Thank you for reminding me.
So what how many works do we have to do? Is there a limit that you have to accomplish? If so how many? What is counted as works? What if we dont do a work amd we should have, can we make up for it or even have to? What are the guidelines here?
Salvation is attained through faith in Christ, not by our own works. Our love for Christ motivates us to perform good deeds as a way of expressing our gratitude for his sacrifice.
Paul- Works of the law
James- Works of faith
Difference between faith vs. faithfulness I think
Christ be with you
He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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Christ be with you
He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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Another great teaching. But I wish that James would have used a different word. I'm still not convinced that he was arguing with Paul. Galatians 2:12.
I'm not convinced that he was not arguing with Paul.
@@user-jm3pu8kr4f He wasn't. They were simply using the word in two different respects. I left a (very) long comment about that very thing on this video. Feel free to read it if you want. It might not help you, but maybe it will.
Hey Brother, can you help me understand something? If they could not enter in God's rest because of unbelief, are you saying that they were unsaved? Because that would include Aron and Moses..... That would also mean all of the adults that came out of Egypt who already demonstrated faith by putting blood on the door posts, and by faith passed through the red sea (Heb 11), were all unsaved except Caleb & Joshua.... Can you please clarify how you deal with those entailments?
Thanks
Hi 333! No, that’s not how I read the allegory in Hebrews 3-4. He’s not speaking of the spiritual salvation of the Israelites. He’s using the fact that they physically did not make it into the promised land as a metaphor for the first century believers in Jesus.
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Hi Rob, thanks for responding to my comment. I apologise for the misunderstanding, perhaps I heard you wrong. Though, if I remember correctly, I heard you say the "evil heart of unbelief" as potentially pertaining to unbelievers. Wouldn't the context pertain to believers as the next verse is to exhort one another? Is not the admonishment for the believers to not fall away through the deceitfulness of sin which echoes the 1 Corinthian 10 allegory? Sorry for all the questions, I'm an avid student of the Bible, and I noticed how one exegetes Hebrews says a lot about their theology/doctrines elsewhere, almost like a litmus test. I really appreciate the historical background that you expound upon in this series. God Bless, Ryan
@@333Paradigm333 Hi, Ryan! That phrase is directly from the author: "Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God" (Heb. 3:12). And I interpret this to be a comment directed toward people who are professing faith in Christ.
Shalom! RL
Where can I find the words “faith” and “alone” together in the Bible?
For the moment I will leave this verses here:
”And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: *and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.* And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and *they were judged every man according to their works.“*
Revelation 20:12-13
So are we going to be judged by our faith “alone” or by our works OF MERCY AND LOVE, as Christ puts it clearly in Mt. 25?
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
~ John 6 : 29
That verse that you quoted is for unbelievers. That is the Great White Throne of Judgment.
It is not the same Judgment that believers in Jesus Christ go through. They go through the Bema Seat Judgment 1 Corinthians 3:10b-15
Well done.
its worth having a look at what did the early church fathers believe about salvation by David Bercot
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they did not teach saved by faith alone, salvation is a gift but it is a living gift that has to be maintained... if we dont put to death the misdeeds of the flesh we can die again..
However i think good works and sins of the flesh need to be two separate categories...
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation-but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
@@kimartist the word believe in the greek is pisteou which means to trust, we trust that he paid the price for our sin on the cross but we also show that we trust him by doing what he says, to the extent that we dont, we show that we dont trust him, that is why faith without works is dead...
Thank you Rob! I also love the below:
You are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone. You’re not saved by faith and works, but you’re saved by faith that works. If your religion hasn’t changed your life you better change your religion. -Adrian Rogers from ‘what the Bible says about faith that saves’
Paul:
Is talking about being justified before God.
Is talking about the root of our salvation.
The root is beneath the ground.
Is talking about an inward justification.
Is talking about the provision of salvation.
Is talking about the means of salivation.
Is talking about a know-so salvation.
James:
Is talking about being justified before men.
Is talking about the fruit of our salvation.
The fruit is hanging out on the tree, but the fruit is the proof of the root.
Is talking about the outward demonstration.
Is talking about the proof of salvation.
Is talking about the marks of salvation.
Is talking about a show-so salvation.
”What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:“Romans 4:1-6 ”For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”Romans 1:17 ”He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,“Titus 3:5 ”But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.“Romans 11:6
s77412, I agree!
The problem is: It takes somehow a long time before a planted tree carries first fruits. And then it took time for the fruit to ripening and become juiceful and sweet.
And sometimes a good tree stands on a wrong place on toxic ground without enough rain, wind and sun at the right time. Then God has to take care of them.
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that just a lot of nonsense
We are saved By Grace.
It is received by Faith
That faith must have works if we whic to have eternal life (Gal 6:7-9)
If faith is alone it will not save
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*you say*
Faith alone saves...But you first need to work to have one ..Many just opening their mouths and judging one another,bot blind with a logs in their eyes..
*response*
No, its Still Grace that saves us
God's forgiveness of our sin.
If you have to work to have faith, then it is not by faith alone.
*you say*
Faith works having nothing to do with fleshly works,
*response*
No the works of faith is the Law
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (Rom 3:31)
*you say*
neither Paul contradict James...its just man is blind..
*response*
of course the don't
St Paul tells us it is those who keep the Law that will be justified.
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. (rom 2:13)
It is because faith upholds the Law, that it is not alone that we are justified by it.
*you say*
If faith is alone it will not save.
*response*
Then clearly it is not by faith alone
*you say*
Tit 3:5
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
*response*
Once again it is goods Grace that save us. his mercy cleansing us of our sin,
Until then our righteousness is like dirty rags ( Isaiahs 64:5-6)
Yet to receive eternal life we must do good works
7 Do not be deceived; *God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.*
For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; *but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.*
And let us not grow weary in well-doing, *for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart.* (Gal 6:7-9)
*you say*
He saved us = done deal...If you had a little faith,you would know this
*response*
No sorry you don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
If you actually read the bible you would know we are forgiven our past sins
For whoever lacks these things is blind and shortsighted *and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.*
Therefore, brethren, *be the more zealous to confirm your call and election, for if you do this you will never fall;*so there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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@@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb
Christ be with you
You seem to think by posting this verse you can ignore the scripture you were given.
Does nothing matter expect holding on to your false doctrine not even Gods word.
*you say*
James 3:2
For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, HE IS A PERFECT MAN able also to bridle the whole body.
*response *
Notice what Jesus says about this.
You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (Matt 5:48)
We clearly must seek not to stumble and if we do repent and ask forgiveness so we can be cleansed of the unrighteousness our sin has caused (1 John 1:7-2:2)
Please read the bible
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@@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb
Peace be with you
You have not address anything that was said to you
*You say*
So do you go and greet people on gay parade?
*response*
No I do not go to parades
I think they are immoral and attendance could look like support
*You say*
Do you love them? Mat 5:47
*Response*
Yes
*You say*
do you say to them ``Your sins are forgiven you??``
*response*
No one has ever asked me to forgive their sins.
*You say*
Do you go and spend time with them,telling them to come home to the Father,or you condemn them by saying ``Father love you,but if you dont believe you will burn forever``?
*Response*
Neither of these statements condemn anyone.
It is our sins that condemn us.
*You say*
Did You saw Jesus at any time threatening people? His whole verbal ``war``was with religious leaders..Did Jesus once said ``My Father gave you the law``? Or was it always ``Moses commanded you`` Moses told you``
*response*
do you mean like when he turn over John 2:13-16
do you mean like everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment (matt 5:22
or do you mean when he called the Pharisees vipers Matt 23:33
or do you mean when he told those who didn’t help the poor the sick the imprisoned the stranges (Matt 25”41)
Or when he told is we should cut of our hand rather than allow it to cause us to sin (Mark 9:43-48. Matt 5:29-30)
*you say*
John 8:17
“It is also written in YOUR LAW that the testimony of two men is true.
John 15:25
“But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in THEIR LAW, ‘They hated Me without a cause.'
*response*
we find Christ Law in John 14:20-24, Gal 6:1-10 Rom 13:8-10
*you say*
=My false doctrine? Are you been taught by God? do you obey 1st and only Gods commandment ever?
Exodus 19:5 ‘Now therefore, if you will indeed listen My voice and keep My covenant, John 6 : 45
*response*
God had more than one commandment.
*you say*
Man did you even understood Jesus Christ when He spoke that only Father knows the Son,and Son Father...so you local pastor,pope,or teacher can never show you the truth...
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Matthew 23:34: "Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town." Here, Jesus speaks of sending messengers (including prophets, wise men, and teachers) who will face severe persecution.
Matthew 10:16-25: In this passage, when Jesus sends out the twelve apostles, He warns them of the persecution they will face: "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues." He further explains that this persecution will come because of His name and that a disciple is not above his teacher, indicating that they will face what He faces.
John 15:20: "Remember what I told you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also." Again, Jesus indicates that His followers, who carry on His teaching, will be persecuted just as He was.
Luke 10:1-3, 16: When sending out the seventy-two, Jesus tells them, "I am sending you out like lambs among wolves." He also says, "Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me." This sends a clear message that those sent by Jesus to teach and proclaim the Kingdom of God will face opposition, but in doing so, they represent Christ Himself.
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What is the biblical definition for WORKS? Obeying the commandments!
SAVATION comes by faith ( believing Messiah will raise you from the dead as he said he would ), alone. Salvation comes when? On profession of faith? Or resurrection? Salvation or saved from what? The second death! There are many questions thats needs addressing within these statements.❤ Ask the question
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No that is not faith.
Faith in Jesus Christ is trusting the Son of God to keep his promises especially giving the gift of eternal life made possible by his death burial and resurrection, to those who repent and love him by keeping his commandment and following his teaching,
Faith cannot be alone
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Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
~ John 6 : 29
@@kimartist that is messiah answering a question in vs 28. What can we do to perform the works of God? Sounds like they want to do miracles ! Yes, believe on Messiah is your works. Now figure out what does that mean in everyday life. How do you do that?. It's not just a thought or he would have said that. It's doing something actively right? So what action / works did Messiah teach? Words have meaning and definition already in scripture. Time to investigate if your interested.
1st John tells you the answer. if you love me ( action word) keep my instructions/ commandments. But remember he only said and did what the father told him. So now you have to figure out what he was constantly teaching.🙂. Peace to you❤️
@@kimartist
Christ be with you
*you say*
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: *to believe in the one he has sent.”*
~ John 6 : 29
*response*
The problem is when quoting this verse is most people give what it means to believe in Jesus Christ their own meaning instead of listening to Jesus.
“Truly, truly, I say to you, *he who believes in me will also do the works that I do;* and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. (John 14:12)
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@@KarenWahlenberg-pv7xz It's the Gospel in a nutshell - Belief in Jesus plus nothing else. You're the one who didn't read the context.
James 1:1, Gal 2:9 James is NOT our Apostle.
Acts 9:10-15 Paul is.
Works to enter Heaven ? Then your righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees Matt 5:20
Amazing channel.
The only way you could improve upon it, is if you were to broaden your scope and start exposing other legalistic systems, Catholic, Ortodox, Adventist etc.
But quality and clarity of your content are beyond impressive.
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He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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Abraham was not justified by works of the law. The law did not command you to sacrifice your son on an altar. When the Bible says you are not justified by works, it is speaking of works of the law of sin and death. Abraham was justified by the works of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. God would offer his Son on the altar; Abraham was to do it as well. Faith was involved when Abraham offered Isaac. The New Covenant pattern is: as the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. As I have loved you, you love one another.
In Ephesians 2:8, the Greek word for gift is doron, a gift given with the undertone of investment. This gift was grace. We are not saved by faith alone, and we are not saved by grace alone. We are saved by grace through faith, and this faith is not dead faith. This faith is the faith that expresses itself in love, and that not of yourselves, it is love to one another done by the Spirit through you. It is the righteousness of the law fulfilled in you.
My works add nothing. The works of the Spirit in me fulfill the righteousness of the law, without which, I remain fruitless, cut off and thrown into the fire.
This is great, but I feel like your teaching keeps missing addressing the biggest arguments of HR and theonomists. They wholeheartedly agree that justification and salvation come alone through Christs fulfillment of the Law. Where they leave the path of sanity is claiming that the only way we can be sanctified is through Torah observance (or some form of Oral Torah) and that it is the Christian’s mission to see the unbelievers be sanctified (act righteously) apart from saving faith…or as a means to discover saving faith.
Would love it if you spent some time digging into Doug Wilson, Toby Sumpter and the rest of the crew in Moscow Idaho and Canon Press.
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He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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No, you're saved by grace through faith not of works least anyone should boast
You can see by their fruit. Giving up your sinful ways, and following Christ. That would be good works?
Thanks for the message. Thinking lately on the "conflicts" in the Bible. I think we today often think the passages were all written at the same time. No, the examples here (James, Romans, Ephesians, etc) are individual letters written at different times and different audiences over a couple of decades. Only later were they compiled together into Codex (technical term for what we now call a book -- vice a scroll, which was previous standard for writings, like in OT). There is some question whether James was early (40's) or later. For Paul, Galations is typically viewed as first letter and was written around the time of the Jerusalem Council. I think what James is writing fits with Matthew's Gospel some like Matthew 25 (Sheep versus Goats). I also think we don't fully appreciate the two camps present in 1st Century (Jerusalem Church headed by James versus Paul's Churches and outreach). We read about Paul taking offerings and bringing back to Jerusalem. James mentions here and in passages in Acts about offerings for the poor. While not outright in the Bible, I wonder if the Jerusalem church had a lot of poor and suffering, which would be why this is the example James uses here in Chapter 2 (feeding the poor).
What did the early church fathers (ad70-320 ish) teach. Calvin went back to Augustine ad400 who had some gnostic ideas.. saved by faith alone (mental ascent without works).
The early church fathers whose letters we have taught salvation was a gift but it was a living gift that had to be maintained (a bit like being given a dog or a baby).
Here is david bercot on the subject - his books, will the theologians please sit down & Will the heretics please stand up are very interesting...
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Leighton Flowers on did the early church fathers teach calvanism
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Because faith is trust, we show that we trust Jesus by doing what He says, being led by the Holy Spirit which causes us to fulfill the righteous requirement of the law (Rom 8:4)
To the extent we dont do what he says we show that we dont trust him, that is why faith without works is dead..
Yes
1. James refers to reciting the Jewish Shema for salvation, which the Jews did twice daily.
2. James never mentions the death of Christ for salvation. His letter is not salvific for us today. It was for Jews back then.
3. The Jews believed that reciting the Shema was all they needed to be saved. But the Shema was the introducton to the Law of Moses, which the Jews were require to keep.
4. When the Body of Christ was revealed, the Shema and the Law were abrogated.
5. Paul preached Christ crucified for salvation. No Shema. No Law. No works.
You could say what Abraham did in offering up Isaac was - 'the obedience of faith' as Paul would put it. Hebrews 11 states it was an act of faith. But surely it was also obedience which some would call a work - as James does. It's key to read Genesis 22:16, God's reaction to Abraham offering Isaac:
"By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand, which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 And in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”
This obedience of faith cements what God had promised to Abraham previously.
Our works are "predestined that we are to walk in" ; and it seems if you track God's promise to Abraham in Genesis - this work of offering Isaac must have been predestined as well - as God both promised before it and because of this work that Abraham would be blessed.
I find it really interesting that Abraham's obedience and our obedience are reflexive - he had to be obedient to be blessed with us; and we have to be obedient to be blessed with him.
Faith is not obedience and obedience is not faith. Two different concepts. God loves his enemies and blesses his enemies without any obedience. God loves disgusting humans even though they hate him and his authority. Romans 5:1: 1-2. “ Therefore, ( the “ therefore” is there because chapter 4 is about “ it was credited to him as righteousness.”) since we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.” - Apostle Paul
@@rayray4192 Through faith we can obey - Abraham's obedience is called faith in Hebrews 11. Also we should track Paul's argument in Romans fully - the end of chapter 5 into chapter 6 speaks on how grace reigns through righteousness, Christ's righteousness - and how Christians are slaves to righteousness. At the end of Romans 6 Paul says that the end of sanctification is eternal life, and this is a free gift. ..because we can't earn it; it was given to the unrighteous who now are slaves to righteousness.
Romans 8:13 also speaks on the necessity of faith being living and sanctifying "13 for if you are living in accord with the flesh, you are going to die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live."
Paul's argument in Romans doesn't stop in chapters 3-5 on Christians staying slaves to sin - his argument goes on into the necessity of change for those who's sins have been forgiven.
@@deesteven there are 1,050 moral principles in the new covenant. Christians are responsible for every thought, word, and action.
@@deesteven faith is the assurance of things hoped for. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Whoever wants to draw near to God must practice faith that God exists and he and he rewards those who draw near to him. We are in agreement if you can post this : personal righteousness has nothing to do with salvation.
@@rayray4192 Hey my friend I hope you are aware of these passages
Hebrews 12:14-16
" Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled; lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright."
This says without holiness no one will see God, therefor don't be sexually immoral as it can sell your birthright, keeping you from seeing God; similar to "blessed are the pure in heart , they shall see God" - Matt 5
James 1:20 "for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God."
So the righteousness we're called to exude is not our self righteousness as is condemnable and works-salvation - rather we produce the fruit of righteousness, and this is necessary, lest we be cut off from God's mercy and forgiveness
Jesus in John 12 right after he speaks of his sacrifice, he says that his followers have to lose their lives to keep their life for eternity.
"“The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain. He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life."
Romans 8:13 says if we don't die to the deeds of the flesh, we will die.
There are an innumerable amount of these warnings - we can be cut off from forgiveness if we abuse grace.
Rob, is any law required for the saved ones and the not saved ones alike?
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He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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Romans 3:19
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”
•Since the Laws intended purpose is that all become guilty before God, we know that law was applied to everyone alike. The Laws purpose or requirement is that everyone becomes aware that they have fallen short of God Standards, which develops our hunger for hope and our need for a Savior. This development of Hope is derived from the Laws intended purpose: we first see how fallen and corrupted we are, then we seek that which is incorruptible which is the Love of Christ
•Now the Law is indeed Holy, and every word of it, but as believers the Law has served its intended purpose in our lives, and we are no more ashamed, guilty or under condemnation by it. It is by Gods Grace that we have become aware of how fallen and corrupted we’ve become, and since becoming alive, we are no longer in bondage or deceived by the Law, continually trying to be justified in the eyes of the Law: because it’s Intended Purpose has been fulfilled in us by Christ, in that we have seen our corruption and need for a Savior, and that our Lord came to redeem us
•The Law is necessary for everyone alike, and yes we should love our neighbor, we shouldn’t steal or lie, but the knowledge we have as believers in knowing that we will fall short again and again and that the incorruptible nature of God Mercy is upon us, breaks the Chains of Bondage, that drives our need to be justified in the eyes of the Law, and instead drives our need to be Justified by our Fathers Love. All this is done through the Knowledge of God, which is the Faith of Christ
1 Cor 9:20-21 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though i am not free from god's law but AM UNDER CHRIST'S LAW), so as to win those not having the law.
Christs law must be the law of love as outlined in the sermon on the mount...
We are only NOT under law IF we are being led by the Spirit (Rom 8). IF we are being led by the Spirit He will cause us to fullfill the righteous requirement of the law (Rom 8:4) which is to love God and people (ALL the law and the prophets hang on those two commands Jesus said Matt 22:36).
So as we listen to the HS we can check how well we are hearing Him by going back to the principles of Jesus teaching in the sermon on the mount and the NT.
We are justified just as if we had never sinned, however is there a bar to be reached for sanctification, I think there is... it is knowing Him..
End of Matt 7 he says depart from me because I never knew you because you called me Lord, Lord but you did not do the things that I said in the sermon on the mount (this comes just after the sermon on the mount).
I think I misread this comment when i did my reply !! - oh well i'll leave it there anyway.. 🙂
can one lose salvation? how must we endure until the end?
I think a far better question to ask is
How can I serve the lord better today or please him
God loves us so much that he let his own begotten son be the sacrificial lamb for all our sins. But god detests sin. So we have to born anew. To be baptized in the spirit
This isn’t a one time affair, we must renew our minds habitually (think of thr concept of praying without ceasing)
So in short you’re already on the right track since you’re asking about the question if there’s anything you can do/participate in. But don’t be fearful. Just grow closer to God
Or in other words love the lord with all your heart and mind and strength. And love your neighbor as yourself
Can somebody clarify? Rob says a lot of good things but it seems he is doing what Luther did in conflating works of the law with good works done in Christ. Rob also seems to embrace the Lutheran and Reformed defense of salvation by faith alone which seems to be of paramount concern to our Reformed brethren. I do agree with Rob that we are not saved by works alone as was taught by Pelagianism but, after initial justification, we are called to cooperate with God's good works. In the end, perhaps Rob and I are on the same page but differ in semantics which means, to him, good works are a sign of faith, whereas, to me, they are a sign of obedience. To use an analogy, maybe he is calling the vehicle a car while I'm calling it an automobile. I just wish to understand his view better. Thanks everyone.
What would be the purpose of morals, good and evil if all we had to do was make lip service to God and go to Heaven?
Can't the Ephesians verse simply mean that God did the opposite of what he did with Pharaoh (darkened his heart); that he lightened the Ephesians' hearts, in order to achieve some end? I don't see why that verse has to mean "faith alone".
@radostinvasilev599, commandments and consequences.
Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the Law? (NASB)
Exodus 31:14 “Therefore you are to keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it must be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath of complete rest [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3], holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.“ (NASB)
Exodus 35:1 Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 “For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the Lord [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.“ (NASB)
Numbers 15:32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness [Heb. midbar], they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]. 33 And those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation; 34 and they placed him in custody, because it had not been decided what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must be put to death [Exodus 31:14-15; Exodus 35:1-2; Deuteronomy 27:26; Matthew 5:18]; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So all the congregation [Heb. edah] brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses. (NASB)
2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministry of death, engraved in letters on stones, came with glory so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face [Exodus 34], fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? (NASB)
Deuteronomy 27:26 “ ‘Cursed is anyone who does not fulfill the words of this Law by doing them.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’ “ (NASB)
Matthew 5:18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away [Revelation 21], not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished!“ (NASB)
Amen.
@@radostinvasilev599 Isaiah 28:18-19.
@@pierreferguson1300 ok. Covenant doesn't mean law. You can have different covenants on the exactly the same law.
@@radostinvasilev599just like how new wine must be put into fresh wineskins [Luke 5:36-38], there are new commandments in the New covenant [Jeremiah 31:31-32; Hebrews 8:7-9]. Shalom uv'racha
@@pierreferguson1300 how do you justify with the new testament only that you should not marry your mother or your sister?
Law= all the promises of God. Example, give and it shall be given unto you….works = if I don’t give, then how can it be given unto me? I’ll show you my faith by my works. I must actually do the work of giving for the law to work. So, faith without works is dead. What good is it to read the promises and not actually stand on them?
So what exactly do you have faith in ?? The promises are the law, it’s how the kingdom operates. The word can’t return void.
I've never understood the confusion about this chapter. Works based justification (before God) would put James at odds with the overwhelming testimony of the rest of scripture. That includes other parts of the New Testament that reference the same Old Testament events, like Romans, Galatians, and Hebrews. Also, if this epistle is written by Jesus' brother James, he headed the council meeting in Acts 15. He was there when Peter said, "And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith." also, "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are." It's all right there - saved by grace, through faith. James' final decision at the council is in total agreement with Peter. It's hard to explain that if he writes something completely different here. Regardless, it becomes crystal clear what this text is talking about if you just read the whole thing. My point is also further supported by the surrounding context. Unfortunately, the rest of this comment is already too long, so I'll mostly stick to chapter 2.
First, what is James showing to his theoretical interlocutor in verse 18? His works? No, he tells us the answer. James is showing them his faith, the faith that saved him. And his works are the instrumental means of demonstrating his saving faith. He also asks this person to show their faith without works. But how can they, if they have produced no fruit? Second, to whom do James' works demonstrate his faith? God? No, God doesn't need to see your works to know your heart. In fact, He's the only one that doesn't need to see to know. So, who does need to see them? Everyone else. James is clearly talking about people here. What will vindicate your supposed faith in the eyes of people, proving (to them) that your faith is true? Your actions. And this doesn't apply only to others. Your works prove your faith to yourself, as well. Actions give room for you to see God working in and through your life, strengthening your resolve all the more. It's also interesting to note that this hypothetical person did not say, "I have faith, while you have works," as you might expect. It's the opposite. That's a bit strange when you think about what people try to read into this passage. But that's not really my main point.
What's the logical conclusion of James' assertions in these verses? You work to show PEOPLE your faith is true and justify your claims before THEM. Not to impress them, but to witness to them. This vindication before others is what caused people to call Abraham "a friend of God." How can we know? We can look to scripture to tell us. Who called Abraham the friend of God? It is mentioned by God Himself in Isaiah 41:8, but that was not the first time. He's first (recorded to be) called that in 2 Chronicles 20:7. By people. How did they know he was God's friend? Why did they call him that before ever hearing it from God directly? It's because they could hear/read what Abraham did in his life, and how God responded to his belief. If you think about it logically, the necessary order of events becomes apparent. You can see Abraham's faith when you read about the offering of Isaac in Genesis. Zero hesitation. Abraham never doubted for a moment that both he and his son would be coming back down the mountain, and that God would provide. God obviously didn't need Abraham to do all this to learn what was in Abraham's heart. He had already been declared righteous long before. But what about you and me, or anyone else? How were we supposed to know? Fortunately, we can read the account to this day. God has used Abraham's actions, and His own provision, to inspire the faith of believers for thousands of years. But WHY did Abraham do those things? He did them because he BELIEVED. He would never have performed these works if he had not already believed in God.
So, James is talking about justification regarding people, as opposed to how we are justified before God. That becomes even more clear when you read the beginning of the chapter. The entire passage discusses how you should conduct yourself as you relate to and interact with others. In fact, much of the epistle closely follows that theme. Again, why did people call Abraham God's friend? He was perceived as such due to his actions and God's responses. The same can be said for Rahab. Did God have to wait for her actions to know what was in her heart? Of course not. But how could what was in her heart not move her to act? Read her account in the book of Joshua. "I know the LORD has given you this land." She helped Israel because she knew, and she knew because she saw/heard and believed. If she hadn't believed first, she would not have helped the spies escape. If she hadn't believed she and her family would be spared, she would not have tied the cord in her window. She proved her conviction not to God, but to herself, to the men she assisted, and to all who have heard her story since. Faith MUST come first, justifying us before God, who sees the heart. That faith changes us, allowing us to do the good works God prepared for us in advance (Ephesians 2:8-10). Our works are then used to show the truth to other people, who cannot know without seeing, and to strengthen our resolve as we see the fruit in our lives. It's an incredibly beautiful cycle. It also lines James up perfectly with the rest of scripture.
Rob, how come the law of the government is from god and is required, otherwise there's punishment, but the law of Moses is not required? I don't understand :)
The law given through Moses in Old Testament Judaism:
Exodus 31:14 “Therefore you are to keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it must be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath of complete rest [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3], holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death [2 Corinthians 3:7].“ (NASB)
Exodus 35:1 Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 “For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the Lord [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. [2 Corinthians 3:7]“ (NASB)
Numbers 15:32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness [Heb. midbar], they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]. 33 And those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation; 34 and they placed him in custody, because it had not been decided what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must be put to death [Exodus 31:14-15; Exodus 35:1-2; Deuteronomy 27:26; Matthew 5:18]; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So all the congregation [Heb. edah] brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death [2 Corinthians 3:7] with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses. (NASB)
Deuteronomy 27:26 “ ‘Cursed is anyone who does not fulfill the words of this Law by doing them.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’ “ (NASB)
Matthew 5:18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away [Revelation 21], not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished!“ (NASB)
I think it is clear. Salvation comes from grace/faith alone. But being saved isn't the only aspect of the equation of a Christian life. While the tree is there, it produces no fruit --- people smitten by the Lord through the heart will have an abundance of outward expressions -- good works (nothing to do with Torah). When you are saved and it "doesn't show by your actions," it is dead faith -- really kind of selfish and useless. There are many things going on here in scripture and it seems confusing. But one thing for sure, we cannot return to "earning" salvation or Christ died on the cross was for nothing. Let's not do that. Let's "shine" in our faith and by our actions and we will be "living" examples of the Christian way. Otherwise, we're the dead tree -- saved, but fruitless. The point is, someone else should know your faith by your actions.
Peace . . .
Yes, guess where the punishment went for the law of moses? That's right, Jesus.
Christ be with you
He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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The law of God given to Moses by angels was required for a small group of humans known as Israelites. The Mosaic law was perfect for its purpose. The law was in effect for Israelites until the promised to Abraham was fulfilled. Hebrews 7:11-12 is truth. “ Now if perfection was attainable through the Levitical priesthood ( for under it the people [ Israelites] received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek rather than the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed the law is necessarily changed.” The entire Jewish system including all 613 laws became weak, useless, and obsolete. The Body of Christ doesn’t need a law instructing them to refrain from murdering their neighbor. We kinda got that figured out.
Why is there so much confusion on this point? Is it because of works and faith? Why are so many afraid of the law of God? It is mentioned in the presentation about good works, but these have not been defined due to people's fear of the law. And yes, the law James speaks about is the Law of the Ten Commandments, which is founded on the two great laws: Love God supremely and love your neighbor as yourself. These laws are rooted in the Law of Love because God is love.
If one loves God and surrenders their life to Him, God will transform that person from within, and they will obey the law willingly, not for salvation but because Jesus lives out His life in them. No amount of good works will ever bring favor with God, but good works will demonstrate if one has living faith. It's like a tree: if it's dried up, there's no connection to a stream of water, but if it's green and bears fruit, then it's planted by the rivers of water, bringing forth fruit in its season; its leaf also shall not wither, and whatever it does shall prosper. (Psalm 1:3 KJV)
Faith is immaterial; one can claim to have faith, but it's not visible. Faith must produce fruits of obedience to be seen. What obedience? Obedience to Christ, one might say. But what does that entail? Christ said, "If you love me, keep my commandments!" (Matthew 5:17-19 KJV)
Do not think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 19:17-19 KJV)
And he said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." He said to him, "Which ones?" Jesus said, "'You shall not murder,' 'You shall not commit adultery,' 'You shall not steal,' 'You shall not bear false witness,' 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'" (Matthew 22:37-40 KJV)
Jesus said to him, " 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40 KJV)
For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness," "You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore, love is the fulfillment of the law. (Romans 13:9-10 NKJV)
The law points out sin within us but cannot save us. Jesus saves us. However, the law serves more than just pointing out sin; it also sets the standard for moral character, reflecting God's character. The law of God existed before sin, while the ceremonial law was added because of sin, serving as a shadow of the way we are saved in Christ. When Christ came, He fulfilled the ceremonial law, rendering it no longer necessary, as symbolized by it being nailed to the cross. However, the law of God remained and continues today as the standard of the moral character of a Christian. God not only forgives our sins but also lives out His life in us. Therefore, obedience to the law of God, as expressed in the Ten Commandments, is the fruit of faith in the sacrifice of Christ and His power to transform us to live victorious lives and cease being slaves to sin.
The Narrow Gate
13 “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell[f] is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.
The Tree and Its Fruit
15 “Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20 Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.
True Disciples
21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’In this vein have those who revere GOD been talking to one another. GOD has heard and noted it, and a scroll of remembrance has been written at God’s behest concerning those who revere GOD and esteem the holy name.
www.sefaria.org/Malachi.3.16
We are saved by the grace of God through our faith in Jesus. A person who has undergone this process can naturally be known by his good works. If his works are contrary to the teachings of God for example he is murdering people or committing adulterous acts then probably his faith is dead too.
Matthews 5:16
Hebrews 12:6-7
Titus 3:8
1st Peter 2:12
1st Corinthians 3: 8-15
Romans 4: 1-5
Dude, stop putting words in James' mouth that he is not using. 12:28. James isn't using 'proves' he is using 'justifies'. Moreover, there is no reason to appeal to 'different' senses of the word justify in the Greek, why not take James AT HIS WORD. Why not affirm what James is clearly saying 'Faith is justified by works.' The reader should take note of the examples of James gives of 'works of faith', NONE are works of the law, ALL are works of 'trust'. Christians should understand that 'works of the law' do not justify a person unto salvation, faith does justify you unto salvation (Paul). James is talking about that which justifies faith - works. NOT works of the law but works of faith. 'So too, faith by itself, if it does not result in action, is dead.' James 2:17. IF you do not act upon or practice your faith your faith is dead. If your faith is dead you will not be justified unto salvation. With all due respect, justify is used univocally and works is not in the book of James.
Christ be with you
He does not even listen to himself If real faith must have works it is not alone.
When St Paul uses faith, he means one that has Love one that upholds the Law.
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31)
He has distort he story of Abraham
And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your descendants be.” 6 And he believed the Lord; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness. (Gen 15:5-6)
It is pretty clear the promise given to Abraham fullfed because he obeyed God.
And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, *because you have obeyed my voice.” * (Gen 22:15-16)
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What you're saying dovetails nicely. Yet intent is everything. If you believe you're practicing your faith by collecting trophies of the good vs bad things you do, you will not be saved through faith. If your intent is to practice a 'trophy-less' faith you will be saved through faith.@@MrKev1664
Romans 10: 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Acts 2 21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’
Joel 2
42 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls.
John 5
23 that all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father who hath sent Him.
24 Verily, verily I say unto you, he that heareth My Word and believeth in Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.
STICK TO JESUS! THEN LOVE AND WORKS WILL FOLLOW.
WORKS WITHOUT LOVE IS MEANING LESS.
FAITH WITHOUT LOVE DOES NOT EXIST.
1 JOHN 4
16 SO WE HAVE COME TO KNOW AND TO BELIEVE THE LOVE THAT GOD HAS FOR US. GOD IS LOVE, AND WHOEVER ABIDES IN LOVE ABIDES IN GOD, AND GOD ABIDES IN HIM.
[THEN WORKS WILL FOLLOW. IT IS NOT INTELLECTUAL UNDERSTANDING THAT INSPIRE WORKS; BUT SPIRITUAL IMMEASURABLE LOVE.]
GOD BLESS.
MATTHEW 11
25 IT WAS AT THAT TIME THAT JESUS SAID, “I THANK YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, THAT YOU CONCEALED THESE THINGS FROM THE SOPHISTICATED AND EDUCATED AND REVEALED THEM TO ORDINARY FOLKS.
26 “YES, FATHER, FOR THIS WAY WAS WELL-PLEASING IN YOUR SIGHT
ACTS 4
13 AFTER THEY FOUND OUT THAT PETER AND JOHN HAD NO EDUCATION OR SPECIAL TRAINING, THEY WERE SURPRISED TO SEE HOW BOLDLY THEY SPOKE. THEY REALIZED THAT THESE MEN HAD BEEN WITH YESHUA. AMEN HALLELUJAH.
JOHN 13
34 A NEW COMMANDMENT I GIVE TO YOU, THAT YOU LOVE ONE ANOTHER; AS I HAVE LOVED YOU, THAT YOU ALSO LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
35 BY THIS ALL WILL KNOW THAT YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES, IF YOU HAVE LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER.”
@@lancebach
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Not sure how you are understanding Rom 10:13 but this is what Jesus says if you are simply looking at that at face value.
“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?
Every one who comes to me and hears my words and does them, I will show you what he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep, and laid the foundation upon rock; and when a flood arose, the stream broke against that house, and could not shake it, because it had been well built.
But he who hears and does not do them is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation; against which the stream broke, and immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great.” (Luke 6:46-49)
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Thanks for the comment, it's always encouraging to hear from true believers.@@lancebach
@2:53 "The bible is very clear that we're expected to do our best to live righteous lives." How?
Where is the instruction, for you, in righteous living ?
Deut 6 25
24And the LORD commanded us to observe all these statutes and to fear the LORD our God, that we may always be prosperous and preserved, as we are to this day. 25And if we are careful to observe every one of these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us, then that will be our righteousness.”
Also
Psalm 119
172 My tongue sings of Your word, for all Your commandments are righteous.
This is the problem with Paul-inians [Paul as the cornerstone] there are no edicts, statutes, precepts, and commandments.. just theology
What is this Hebrew Roots cult all about? This is new to me. Is it referring to the Messianic Jewish denomination? Thanks.
Right salvation comes first, no one is debating that, if they do, they are in some sort of cult. Salvation takes about on average ten seconds out of your life. When you've been saved by grace through faith, then you should begin the sanctification process. When you get saved, you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, in the form of a seed. The sanctification process is what nurtures and grows that seed into a tree that can bear fruit. Only the Holy spirit through you can bear this fruit, stop trying to grow your own fruit, only fruit produced by the holy spirit is acceptable to God. The simplest explanation of that process is learn and keep the Torah (Gods instructions). Only the Torah contains the behavior sanctioned by Jesus Christ, see Matt 12:50, Luke 11:28, John 5:47, 7:16, 13:44-50, 14:212-24.
What if we choose to ignore the sanctification process? Matt 7:22-23 in this passage the word iniquity is strongs G458 anomia means without law, or lawless, without torah. Matt 22:2-14 in this passage the phrase wedding garment can be understood by looking at Revelation 19:8, Matt25:1-12 in this passage a lamp without oil is faith without works, Matt 25:14-30 in this passage to whom much is given, much will be required, and we've all been given the greatest penny of all.
I think a lot of the confusion comes from a misunderstanding of the third commandment.
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
This has nothing to do with speaking the name, repetitively, using as a swear word (technically blasphemy, also bad)
It says "take the name" you're not putting it forth in any way, you're receiving it, you're "taking" it. Think of a normal wedding/marriage situation between a man and a woman. It is normal and usual for the woman to "take" the mans name. This is the same idea, we are marrying ourselves to God, making him our God. Think of the first three commandments: I am God, you shall have no other, not even fake ones, if you say it but don't mean it, it doesn't count. Can you blame him? When adultery happens in a marriage, it gets annulled, and the adulterer is not guiltless.
So if you want to become the bride to the God of the universe, you should at least start to show some effort in learning how he wants you to behave. It's not that hard, he wrote it all down for us.
"Now this is what the parable means: The seed is the word of God."
~ Luke 8 : 11
"For you have been born again not of perishable seed but of imperishable, by means of the living and enduring word of God."
~ 1 Peter 1 : 23
"No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, because God’s seed abides in him. He cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God."
~ 1 John 3 : 9
1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.@@kimartist
@@minnesota630 According to law, a covenant is binding ONLY so long as both parties are living.
"Do you not know, brothers and sisters-for I am speaking to those who know the law-that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him."
~ Romans 7 : 1ff
The only way God could widow Israel is to die. God cannot die, so He had to enter a perishable human body - Jesus.
"But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man. So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God."
~ Romans 7 : 3ff
Israel, the nation, is now widowed.
She has rejected her new Husband.
However, as we know, INDIVIDUAL Israelis & INDIVIDUAL Gentiles can & have accepted the new marriage offer.
One might note here that entering into a marriage contract with Gentiles included would be repulsive & unacceptable to most Israelis.
Israeli & Gentile together is the "one new man" Paul spoke of in Ephesians 2.
It is not a matter of "behavior;" it is a matter of entering into a new marriage contract with the Savior Jesus.
They apparently don't teach in Seminary that James wrote his letter to combat Galations. They go side by side. It's interesting to watch preachers such as yourself try to "make sense" out of James because you're doing everything you can to make Paul valid. You have to have works..period. You need to understand that Paul is the wolf. Tribe of Benjamin remember?
And how do we have eternal life by works? A perfect example is Matt 19:16-17 "what good thing must I do to have eternal life? If you want to enter into life keep the commandments". Doesn't sound like only faith to me.
Shalom
Matt 19:17
Jesus was addressing the rich young ruler.
He ask which commandments?
He addressed him with 5 specific commandments.
He then asked him to sell all his possessions and give to the poor.
He lacked faith and walked away sorrowful.
@@mavicpro3289 and you miss the point. Christians try to capitalize on the few commandments given by Yeshua in those verses and yet fail to realize he was speaking on the heart of the matter. Yeshua came to put the Torah in our hearts. The man loved his possessions more than to be righteous. Just like Christians love Paul more than to be righteous.
But wait! Paul said "no one is righteous no not one" Romans 3-10. However Yeshua said "your righteousness should exceed past the pharisees and teachers" Matt 5:20 and yet there's no contradiction in the Bible? So who is correct? I think I'll go with Yeshua.
Shalom
i think the answer to the puzzle is that faith is trust... we trust that jesus paid the price for our sin on the cross, we further trust Him by doing what He says in His Word and by the Holy Spirit...
To the extent we are not led by the Spirit and dont do what Jesus says, to that extent we dont trust Him...
@@JuliexSteadman ok so here's a good point..if Yeshua was the prophet that Moses spoke of then why did he die? He was MURDERED!! This only makes sense if you deny the virgin birth. That's another long discussion. But we need to learn who Yeshua really is. Put away the things the church spews from the pulpit!!
@@JuliexSteadman what about YHWH? He's the Father and I don't hear anything about doing what He says. Oh that's right Paul said it was "nailed to the cross" Whatever...
1.) You are not justified by works of the law.
2.) You are not justified by faith alone.
James gives the examples of such works. They are works of obedience, and human works.
You are not justified by faith alone. You sre justified by both, together. The rest is just hoop jumping. In the 25th chapter of Matthew, Jesus is separating us as sheeps and goats based on how we treated one another ( works, ala, the 2nd chapter of James ).
James does not say you are justified by faith alone, of which works are the fruit, he says you are not justified by faith alone, very specifically.
Roll the dice however you want, but you are not justified by faith alone.
That is incorrect. I mean, how many works must you do before you are saved after you believe? Saving faith produces works; works are NOT required FOR salvation.
Can I ask you something? See Proverbs 18:13...
@jessebryant9233 It is not ridiculous, it says it right there in the Bible, you are not justified by your faith alone. It cannot be said any more clear than that. You sre justified by your faith and your works.
As an example James offers both works of obedience to God and human caring. You can say one produces the other all you want but the fact is you are justified by both, not by faith alone.
How many? That is a conversation between you and Jesus. But as he says in Matthew, he will judge us in part by how we treated the least of us.
It is simply put, if one is to consider James scripture then one has to admit that we are not justified alone by our faith.
@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb It is not for you to judge whether I have faith, by your own standard this can only be judged by my works, of which you know nothing. This is a theological discussion, no more and no less. You cannot judge my faith anymore than I can judge yours, and since neither of us can boast of our works, we cannot truly have a measuring stick by which to judge. I will only say it is surely true that I do not do enough for my fellow man.
But that is for God to judge.
With that being said James still says you are not justified by your faith alone, you can hem and haw at the order of these things but it is clear, that you are justified by both.
@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb None of that is an argument as to why we are not justified by faith alone when James clearly says we are justified by both our faith and works. Either it is scripture or it is not. Even if you say faith produces the good works you are still, as said in James, not justified by your faith alone but also your faith and your works. And James used obedient works and works of human caring as an example.
It has been said and cannot be unsaid. Faith without works is dead, and "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone".
It is clearly the case that we are justified by both, they are not separate.
Another undefendable fact of Christianity is that faith is not proven by good works, but in the Torah faith is proven by good works, similarly grace in Christianity is unmerited but not in the Torah.
My #1 Ytube video in the series 'Myths in so-called Christianity', covers the above errors in Christianity, as "works" in Romans and Galatians and Romans are "works of the law" which are sins. Paul is saying no man is justified by sin, as Abraham was not justified by his sin, but his faith (obedience) was counted for righteousness.
In James he is calling works obedient works, works to prove for salvation, not sinful works as written by Paul.
Romans 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace. Merited Grace is a Lie from Satan. ---- And Satan and his Boy's trash talk Paul. Too funny how Satanic your cult is.
Dear simonskinner, I believe that faith does not mean "obedience", but "trust in God".
Trusting God that HE MAKES US HIS MASTERPIECE AND A NEW CREATION, EVEN WHEN IT SEEMS LIKE, IT'S NOT TRUE. I CANNOT MAKE MYSELF A NEW CREATION. HE HAS TO WRITE OUR VERY DNA NEW.
And I believe, that James was not a Christian in Paul's sense. James was a doer of the Law of Moses by faith. He stood under the law of Moses and kept doing the law of Moses. Therefore he mixed up the Grace by Jesus's blood with works of the law. But exactly that is not working. That is selfrighteousness.
I am justified through the works of Jesus and I abide in HIS works and keep HIS works in my heart and HIS love. Having a close relationship with Jesus/God/Holy Spirit enlightenes us. Drawing near to God.
James says: Resist the devil! And he will flee!
But fact is: You are not able to flee the devil by keeping the law of Moses.
But when you are in Christ and you believe, that Jesus's blood has cleansed you from all sins and keeps on cleansing you, then you know, that the devil has no right on you and no right to accuse you. When you know this, then you know, that the devil has no authority over you. THEN the devil will flee from you. Jesus's blood is much more better than the blood of animals. The key is to have a close relationship knowing you ARE REALLY CLEANSED BY HIS BLOOD AND JUSTIFIED.
But having a sin-conscious mind means that you doubting the power of HIS blood.
You should watch this video, Simon. You might like it! I show how, in the Torah, genuine faith is proven by good works, and in Christianity the same is true.
Shalom, RL
@@biblischerMinnegesang888 Delighted to have your comment, but faith is complete trust, as Paul wrote Romans as the obedience of faith, else no trust my friend.
May I introduce you to the concept of a covenant which Jesus died to provide, for those who have been chosen by the Father for their promise of faith, not to sin, we are promised atonement of past sins and are sealed with the promise of the Spirit.
Due to their heartfelt promise they receive the Spirit, for guidance and witness in sanctification, and those who live by faith are justified by Christ and by his grace and mercy those past sins are forgiven. A covenant can assume both sanctification of believers, and justication of believers by the veracity of the promise of both parties, but if they lie they are covenant breakers.
There was no atonement at the Cross, but a new covenant with promise of atonement for those in Christ.
I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' for NT truth.
@@TheBiblicalRoots I did watch the whole video and the way those who believe in atonement at the Cross deal with good works, as I expect you earnestly do in gratitude or simple integrity of a teacher. However those good works prove faith, simply all that is not of faith is sin, and the wages of death is sin. We receive atonement or reconciliation into the church at baptism, Romans 5-8, with the promise that a covenant provides. When Paul talks of works they are works of the law and the accusation of sin, James talks of works as those proving sin as good or righteous works. Can a believer sin? God forbid says Paul.
Rob the main problem for Christianity is it relies on atonement at the Cross, not as the reward in a covenant established at the Cross, the covenant of Abraham with Jesus as the seed. Victory over death was gained at the Cross in reverse of Adam, not directly but indirectly as parties in the new covenant true believers who prove faith receive his grace.
I do appreciate your videos,
My brother can you please start reading from a real bible, the KJV. Those other bibles are perverted versions. ❤ you!
I do read the KJV on occasion in my study. It's a beautiful literary presentation. But I find it less accurate and useful because (1.) it uses many antiquated English terms that can be confusing, and (2.) It does not use the most accurate and up-to-date Greek manuscripts for the NT.
Blessings,
Rob
@TheBiblicalRoots ok i understand bro.
God NEVER asked for a sacrifice. that was the devil who was BEAT TO DEATH SCREAMING. A promise was a promise : )
Solberg,
You just WANT to LIVE without the LAW of YAHUWAH Our ELOHIM/god.
And Your STUDENTS are also DOING the SAME Thing.
Today, People in OTHER RELIGIONS are EMBRACING all Religions.
A Hindu will also PRAY to "Jesus" , or "Buddha".
But He will REMAIN as a Hindu.
Is that FAITH?
FAITH in "Jesus" , for Example?
So, SOLBERG, is FAITH "SUFFICIENT" ?
SHALOM
Be blessed through Jesus's blood alone! Jesus's blood is much more powerful than animal's blood. It cleanses you perfectly as long as you believe in Jesus's blood. Nothing is able to cleanse you and to justify you from sin and bondage but Jesus's blood. You have to have a pure cleansed mind and conscious to draw near to God. And Christ in you and God's nearness will change you in your relationship with HIM. He creates you new.
Never through Mose's law.
What I want doesn't matter, Erwin. What matters is what God wants. And He has told us that He wants us to walk by the Spirit, not by the written code.
"We have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code" (Romans 7:6).
Are you going to disobey Him and go your own way?
RLS
@@biblischerMinnegesang888 where is ELOHIM/god in ALL that You said?
And, is it the LAW of Moses, or the LAW of ELOHIM?
And since You DONT OBEY the LAW of ELOHIM, through Moses, what LAWS are You OBEYING?
Please ANSWER?
THANKS
@@TheBiblicalRoots
Isn't the HOLY SPIRIT, ELOHIM, Himself?
There is NO 2 SPIRITS in HEAVEN, right?
Or You are saying this because You are a TRINITARIAN.
Regards and SHALOM
@@erwinguneratne7600 ELOHIM/GOD is in Jesus Christ, the English name of Yeshua HA Maschiach. ELOHIM/GOD IS the TRINITY OF GOD FATHER/GOD SON/ HOLY SPIRIT.
a good way to understand the Godhead of three in one or one in three is to imagine a Gasoline-Streetlamp: The Lamp is like the father, the Gas is like the son, the radiating shining splendor is what the Holy Spirit is like. The lamp without shine is not the same. And without Gas or oil or electricity no bright light.
God divided himself to become a human being to take punishment of sin on his own. As human being he had to trust in God Father. Because this human part of ELOHIM was weak in his human body. It's God's wisdom to not leaving the throne in heaven and at the same time being on earth.
The very presence of the LORD GOD was in Jesus about 2000 years ago.
I have a question to you:
Where was the law of Moses at Abraham's, Isaak and Jacob's time? Why was the law of Moses given them after exodus in the desert? Because the israelites did not want to hear GOD'S voice. They wanted to have a mediator who should speak for God to them. They did not want a relationship with God.
They could not keep the law of Moses. Even on the first day of giving them the two stone-tablets they gone astray and made themselves the golden kalf.
You cannot keep the law on Jesus's Standard-Level. Jesus is the heir because he was the Shilo who kept the law perfectly after God's will.
And you rest in Christ's embrace. The Spirit of Christ embraces you like a pearl embraces the stranger entering a shell in the ocean.
The Holy Spirit should lead you into Holyness by connecting you with Jesus and God to know Him personnally in a relationship.
You cannot have a relationship with two tablets of stone and commandments. I do not have a relationship with my father by a long list of commandments that the child has to do. Yes, for a little child almost everything is forbidden: Do not Touch the knifes, the fire, the scisters, Hot water, do not jump from the Rock and the cliff behind the house, do not go with a stranger, do not take sweets from them, do not eat some plants, some are toxic and so on. Later you go in the kitchen and take a knife to cut bread or carrots or whatelse. You do not need these commandments anymore. Your father does not say to you anymore: do not touch the knife. The law is milk for babies and the disobedient ones.
The law of Moses is also for the slaves who have to do after commandments. Like Hagar.
The law of Moses belongs to the old covenant only. The Spirit of Christ belongs to the New Covenant. God said to the Pharisees: YOUR law says....
But I do not remember in which gospel, chapter and verse he said.
Look for yourself, please.
Rob, Jesus proves you wrong again. Mercy (grace) and faith (believe) are part of Torah and the law. How are you going to contra that one, ha? Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. By grace through faith we establish the law. Thank you and Shabbat Shalom, Torah nailers.