Don't Regret Your Metal Prep. Paint Stripping and Rust Prevention

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  • čas přidán 6. 09. 2024

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  • @nuxboxen
    @nuxboxen Před 2 měsíci +10

    You guys are hitting home runs with these videos, these will stand as historical references for generations!

  • @adamscoggins4553
    @adamscoggins4553 Před 2 dny

    I can not thank you enough for making these videos. I will never get to your level but you do give me the confidence to do what I can the best that I can.

  • @fordwheeler
    @fordwheeler Před 2 měsíci +1

    For the home DIYer here in Cali, it used to be so easy to strip a car with a chemical stripper. None of them work anymore like they did 25-30 years ago. My old 50 F1, I am doing it all by hand using a DA and Eastwoods Contour. Enjoy your videos and tips.

  • @user-pi3sp6oz3k
    @user-pi3sp6oz3k Před 2 měsíci +2

    I so appreciate these tremendous videos. I am at the stage of stripping paint and going back to final finish so this is exactly what I need to see. I don't want to spend all the money and labor only to find out I should have done it differently.

  • @santiagojavier9742
    @santiagojavier9742 Před 12 dny

    best video I ve ever watched. Thank you Sylvester

  • @MrFireman164
    @MrFireman164 Před měsícem

    This should be a must see video before anyone touches a car for restoration! This video will save you a lot of time, money and tears. Thanks for putting this out there!

  • @BottomNotch
    @BottomNotch Před 2 měsíci +2

    Another excellent lesson not BS straight to the good stuff! Thank you!

  • @michaelkorolev2115
    @michaelkorolev2115 Před měsícem

    I woke up early and decided to see what stuff Travis has been up to, my my my, you never cease to amaze me with your relentless quest perfection and knowledge.
    Anyone that needs good well explained knowledge without skipping anything needs to go to this channel. I also watched your pullmax video , before this one , Travis your growth is amazing

  • @fulltilt6
    @fulltilt6 Před 2 měsíci +1

    You have the absolute best channel on CZcams ! Can’t tell you enough how much every small detail means to us when it comes to learning about paint and body work. Thanks for taking your time to teach this to those of us who just never had an opportunity to get into a shop . Forever subscriber here 🙋🏼‍♂️👍

  • @toddmillican1926
    @toddmillican1926 Před 2 měsíci

    Absolutely the most educational video that I have ever seen. Ever.

  • @tfs1150
    @tfs1150 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Great content! I have been doing production body work since the early 70`s and the industry has changed so much in that time. One of the things we used to use was enamel primer when doing overall refinishing, it took a little longer to dry but adhesion to bare metal was optimal. Enamel loves clean dry bare metal.
    When epoxy primers came out, one of the prime benefits that sold us was when it was fully cured, we could put polyester over it and it increased the flexibility of the filler by about 30%. We actually built test panels to prove this. So if the panel was damaged after our repair, the chance of catastrophic filler failure was greatly decreased.
    Also, when using filler on the 18 gauge mild steel of restoration and vintage autos, consideration of the expansion and contraction of the metal in some climates where it is 40 degrees at night and 100 degrees in the afternoon becomes a real issue especially when putting polyester directly on bare metal. This used to cause lacquer paint on 1960`s to 1980`s GM cars to fail after only a few years. Modern high alloy sheet metal is not as susceptible to these temp. swings.
    Thanks again for the comprehensive videos. Even us old goats learn some nuggets from your great content.

  • @jacko6652
    @jacko6652 Před měsícem

    Excellent and very helpful to me. I'm in the process of stripping and priming my fenders now. Have been using the PPG products that you mentioned. Many thanks!

  • @antonlucic2833
    @antonlucic2833 Před 2 měsíci

    I am yet to find someone who explains the process to the detail like you do! I've learned immensely from a bunch of your videos about the whole process of car restauration. I'm doing a project of my own, a 1996 Nissan Patrol and I'm tackling all the steps from welding, metalwork, rust removal and repaint. So far everything has been working spot on with your tips and tricks.
    Greetings from Croatia.🤘

  • @rtalways
    @rtalways Před 2 měsíci

    I appreciate how thorough you explain the steps No-nonsense

  • @GMC-ck6sv
    @GMC-ck6sv Před dnem

    Great info thanks!

  • @gregreed2713
    @gregreed2713 Před měsícem

    I know you said that you don't really trust the phosphated surface that comes from phosphoric acid treatment, but .... in the automotive production world, phosphating is normal before applying e-coat. On chassis components, for example, that require 1000 hours salt spray resistance that can only be achieved with phosphating first.
    That said, I'm loving your videos, learning SO MUCH!

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před měsícem +2

      @@gregreed2713 thank you! it’s not that I don’t like phosphoric coating I like having both 80 grit and a chemical bond to get the best of both worlds.

  • @travlite8496
    @travlite8496 Před 2 měsíci +2

    PPG is what I went to school in 1995 for 3 days in Columbus Ohio!

  • @travlite8496
    @travlite8496 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I was told in PPG class that if you put filler on a bare metal that it's not the filler that causes rust it's the hardner The chemicals in hardner is what causes the metal to start rusting that's why they want a epoxy down first-In the collision world it's done with a production mind but they still use a epoxy or etch primer on the bare metal after the filler process because that should out last the time of the car---BUT I'm no Chemist but if you spend a huge amount of money to restore your car you won't an epoxy on that bare metal because under a microscope within so many hours the metal will start flash rusting and crystal's start to form with rust.With that being said I have seen filler come off cars with rust behind it on the metal and the filler.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci +3

      You are correct it’s the benzene peroxide in the hardener is what I’ve heard.

  • @JohnnieBravo1
    @JohnnieBravo1 Před 2 měsíci

    Stripped paint off my 89 Toronado, preparing for epoxy primer and paint. This is most helpful. The grit recommendations prior to priming is just all over the place. I chose middle ground, 120, so I'd be interested in your thoughts on that. I used the purple strip disc on my side grinder for removal, and it worked awesome.

  • @02Grover
    @02Grover Před 2 měsíci

    You do a really great job with these videos. Excellent information, clearly demonstrated, well articulated. Super helpful. Thank you.

  • @kathysarmcandy1992
    @kathysarmcandy1992 Před 2 měsíci

    The stripper I went to uses a hot lye bath to get the crud and paint off, the rust remover is a washing soda electrolysis both. Then it's power washed, with a cold water and an undisclosed food preservative mix, to prevent flash rusting. Which it totally did, had to leave the shell for months. No a blemish of rust. Stupid expensive, but 110% worth it to get ALL the rust off.

  • @dougbadham3642
    @dougbadham3642 Před 2 měsíci

    Great explanation of the proper process!

  • @avmech2126
    @avmech2126 Před 2 měsíci

    Another great video Travis, thank you. Being as old as that ‘56 Ford, all I can say is it looks a whole lot better than me and can guarantee it runs way better too…LOL. Keep up the good instructional videos 👍

  • @peterbentley4023
    @peterbentley4023 Před měsícem

    All I can say very good teacher

  • @xyz6551
    @xyz6551 Před dnem

    Hi, thank you for the video. I have a question about bare metal sanding for primer. And can I sand past 80 grit with an orbital? If so what grit provides the best result. And in your opinion what grit start to finish is best for plastic and aluminum. Thank you

  • @galenharvey4834
    @galenharvey4834 Před 2 měsíci

    I do custom paint on motorcycles, I have always done a metal treatment first, then sand with 80 grit. I use DP50LF. PPG epoxy. I go through and gidecoat block and work the low areas with a polyester filler and re'epoxy prime. Then prep for paint.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci

      If you do the metal treatment first you are removing it with 80 grit. I’d recommend do the 80 grit first then the treatment. 👌🏻

  • @mercedesmaintenance.6339
    @mercedesmaintenance.6339 Před 2 měsíci

    Awesome Video Travis.

  • @darrenh.3514
    @darrenh.3514 Před 2 měsíci

    Another excellent video! I am entering this stage very soon, will be stripping the entire car pretty soon. The two rear quarters have had the bottom rear halves to metal for 6 months for patching and metal work, I have Ospho so I'll use that. After I strip the whole car I think I will do what you mentioned and put down black DP90LV then the VP2050 and go on from there. Even though its more $ I think its worth it since this car will be mine for long term. Thanks!

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci

      I agree!! Good luck!!

    • @josephfilm73
      @josephfilm73 Před 2 měsíci

      If you are going to commit to all the work, then don't skimp on good products. You'll forget the cost of them after the project, but over time you'll see the little flaws that show up as a result of cost cutting, cutting corners.

  • @Poindexters-Obsession
    @Poindexters-Obsession Před 2 měsíci

    Great video, thanks. Warm filler on a cold panel won't cause dew. Dew is water vapor condensing on a cold surface that is below the air temp/humidity/pressure dew-point from the air. But im with your method - don't put a sponge against your bare metal, seal it up.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Whatever you wanna call it. Warm filler on a cold panel will cause rust. I’ve seen it 👍🏻

  • @brokewood6036
    @brokewood6036 Před 2 měsíci

    Great channel and content! Been in the industry since 86. Have a high end build..66 chevelle 502 ram jet, 5 speed tremec. Black very slick. Finished in 08. Back in shop redoing seams, door skin on drivers door. Firewall seem! Blood bath from a money stand point! I don't run a warranty program. But never have seen a build of mine do this! Makes me question chemical dipping. Maybe they didn't do the full process. In the end...nothing worst than having to go back into a build. Long wand and 360 degree spray head after paint to coat knooks and crannies . Dipped, a spray gun does not coat in hard to reach areas. Wish they had a epoxy dip tank after the stripping process. Would still strip most of it back off, least the can't get to areas would have a coating that ran into all the seams etc. Also, to your viewer's be careful on direct to metal high build primers, no epoxy underneath. If the build never gets wet with water untill it's painted, you might get lucky. Big gamble. High build primers will absorb moisture like a sponge. Bare metal under that primer can possibly cause problems! Same for back in the early days, got it primed in lacquer primer...put it outside to sit and cure oUT for couple weeks. The dew, possible rain, even when you have sanded it, then I'm going to wash it to get it ready clean before prepping to paint. The sponge affect has gone on! Then the cost of material is astronomic. If you have a redo!! It's never the same as the virgin of when you first sprayed the first time! Good luck to all that does this! Very deep and detailed process. Why it cost so much to build these cars. Like your channel! Very knowledgeable man!

    • @brokewood6036
      @brokewood6036 Před 2 měsíci

      Sorry, hadn't finished the video before I commented! Excellent knowledge! It's great to see a mind that goes so deep! That's knowledge

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Thank you very much!

  • @TheYaneus
    @TheYaneus Před 2 měsíci

    Great vid. I'm just at the stage of looking for effective way to get rid of paint and rust from the cab of my truck and came across Your channel. Have You ever thought about removing paint by burning it in the oven(pyrolysis) and then rust removal dip?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci

      No the heat can warp panels. I’ll only use the heat on a torch in a door jamb corner or hard to get area

  • @erickholm9563
    @erickholm9563 Před 2 měsíci

    Great video! Thanks for making a video for step one.
    How do you prep the interior panels if you’re not blasting? When it gets really tight are you using scotchbrite? Do you use a rust converter (POR)?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci

      It varies on condition of car, budget etc. there’s no one size fits all answer. Rust mort works good tho. I’m not a fan of POR

  • @danawick9817
    @danawick9817 Před 2 měsíci

    we dont have very many places here to acid dip . the insurance is absolutley over the cost of reason because most places have caught on fire and dont bother reopening.. same goes with rechroming.even radiator shops wont clean a a gas tank. so manual stripping is the way to go. sandblasting is to expensive

  • @brandonhedgpeth9661
    @brandonhedgpeth9661 Před 2 měsíci

    Love this channel!!!

  • @zmotorsports62
    @zmotorsports62 Před 2 měsíci

    Great video on prep. I'm one of those who epoxy primes the metal, then does everything over the top of my epoxy primer.
    I have a question, how do you address rust prevention at panels that are spot welded together? I've tried well through primers, epoxy primer then scratched where the weld will be and I still occasionally get small spot of rust starting between two panel surfaces.
    Any recommendations on how to prevent issues in those areas?
    Thanks.
    Mike

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Like 90 has a kit they sell that has a long wand and it can be sprayed down in those hard to get areas. It’s actually designed to wick into the weld seams. You’d want to to acid dip the part or car first tho

    • @zmotorsports62
      @zmotorsports62 Před 2 měsíci

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS thanks for the response.

  • @SkaterStimm
    @SkaterStimm Před 2 měsíci +1

    I am hammer and dollying a roof that was stepped on using dykem, and after about 2/3 weeks of hammer and dolly work (I took it slow) I can't feel any highs and lows with my hand but I can still see some with the dykem and a block, at what point is it good enough for primer and filler? I know it is subjective, but I think I have gotten it so the paper test doesn't let me get under it with a sheet of paper, but it sure would make me feel better if I wasn't picking up any highs and lows with the blocking..

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Sounds like you’ve got it really good. If you are to that point and struggling I suggest Ken Sakamoto class or come to our class.

  • @robertdarscheid9703
    @robertdarscheid9703 Před 2 měsíci

    I would like to know how you finish the edges of doors hoods etc after you block it out.
    The filler connecting the panels are straight but seams have a rounded edge.
    How do I recreate that? Tia

  • @andrewwhiting5526
    @andrewwhiting5526 Před 2 měsíci

    Well explained video, my question is when using the acid does the entire panel need to be bare metal before using it?

  • @jimdrechsel3611
    @jimdrechsel3611 Před měsícem

    Do you know if the Bondrite is the same process/type of product as the Eastwood Fast Etch? Bondrite is a remover? - not a converter?
    The reason why I ask is that SPI products do NOT want you to use a rust converter and don't recommend using lacquer thinner on the metal as they claim they will cause future bubbling.
    Thanks for detailed instructions.

  • @user-lh7ef9kk7r
    @user-lh7ef9kk7r Před 2 měsíci

    First paint job what you think about using PPG mp171 epoxy primer Bondo and ppgmp282 polyester 2 k primer also what product you use to wipe the Bondo dust I don't think I should use wax grease remover over Bondo

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci

      I don’t have any experience with those products nor do we use polyester but my way is not the only way give it a shot and see how you like it. You just need to blow off the filler thoroughly. I personally would not wipe it down with anything.

  • @garylietz6305
    @garylietz6305 Před 2 měsíci

    Excellent!

  • @user-yu5jf7dk3f
    @user-yu5jf7dk3f Před 2 měsíci

    What brand do you recommend for the epoxy primer , sealers and clear coat . Thank you

  • @mikealdag7309
    @mikealdag7309 Před 2 měsíci

    thank you for another great video , have you ever used ospho ? it's a rust converter , comes pre diluted and does not need to be washed off neutralized, it turns rust black and be are metal white , need to sand prior to paint or primer. just curious what your thoughts are on it

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci +1

      I’ve read up on it in the past sounds similar to rust mort. I use rust mort at times just read the TDS sheet for it and see if there’s any special instructions on it. 👌🏻

    • @mikealdag7309
      @mikealdag7309 Před 2 měsíci

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS thanks for the reply , will do

  • @jjamanda
    @jjamanda Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks for a super video and very imformative 1 question etch primer on bare metal?????????

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci

      This video will explain it for you. 👍
      Understanding Primers: Epoxy, Polyesters, and Urethanes explained.
      czcams.com/video/EBj_wz-2HW0/video.html

  • @scottwisely224
    @scottwisely224 Před 2 měsíci

    Do you know what the Nutralizer is that metal works used after acid dipping? We have a place neer by. But id like to ask what they use.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci

      I am unsure, but if you call Metal Works in Eugene Oregon, I’m sure they will tell you

  • @gasautomotive
    @gasautomotive Před 2 měsíci

    Great video. I'm guessing a wire wheel, Either large or small is going to Polish the metal?

  • @stillraven9415
    @stillraven9415 Před 2 měsíci

    My truck!! I want it!

  • @MrSociallyDistrted
    @MrSociallyDistrted Před 2 měsíci

    Great episode. Information was direct and to the point with expectations on what a guy may find from the process.
    I’m local North County SD. Is the Bonderite product range you use for chemical processing available locally?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Yes we bought ours at meza paint in Temecula or Escondido.

    • @MrSociallyDistrted
      @MrSociallyDistrted Před 2 měsíci

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS many thanks. Planned on hitting them up for DP and VP2050. 👍🏼

  • @martinnormand7458
    @martinnormand7458 Před 2 měsíci

    Do you scuff the epoxy before applying filler over it? If yes, what grit?

  • @theportlandflyshop
    @theportlandflyshop Před 2 měsíci

    Can I use a product like eastwwods fast etch for small rust pitts, DA over it and clean without problems?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci

      Never used it. Test it 👍🏻typically anything that is cheap or fast isn’t good but that’s my opinion

  • @frankibarra7044
    @frankibarra7044 Před 2 měsíci

    Great video! Have a question on removing rust. I’m working on a 66 nova that I have replaced most all sheet metal. I have a few 1 minute Short videos on my channel. I have a original trunk that’s in great shape but it has a lot of surface rust inside between structure and outer sheet metal. What’s your suggestion to remove rust? Thanks

  • @user-lh7ef9kk7r
    @user-lh7ef9kk7r Před 2 měsíci

    Can you use 20% refused epoxy primer for sealer

  • @the7tongardengnome
    @the7tongardengnome Před 2 měsíci

    I gotta Frbeightliner truck. How would you sand off the paint around hundreds of huck rivets. Thanks. The panels are alloy. It was sand blasted years ago and the blaster did a shit job and couldn't remove all the paint and now the surface is uneven so I need to remove the paint especially around the rivets which is going to take forever.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Aircraft stripper is how I’d go about it

    • @the7tongardengnome
      @the7tongardengnome Před 2 měsíci

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS Thanks. I've used stripper before and it looks like there's several layers of paint to remove. I guess no easy fix. Thanks I'll look for some aircraft stripper.

  • @AAhshitsun
    @AAhshitsun Před 2 měsíci

    Great vid! We use SPI epoxy ..how long can the epoxy sit before we need to sand it to recoat?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci +2

      Epoxy can sit however long you just gotta scuff it good before putting filler down. Read the TDS for the epoxy you use

    • @deankay4434
      @deankay4434 Před 2 měsíci

      The TDS sheet says that SPI epoxy stays open for 7 days. Like Travis says, that's your chemical adhesive but maroon scotch-brite is your mechanical adhesive. Regardless, print and follow the TDS as unless you have your vehicle in a level 3 clean room, SPI epoxy will be covered by dust, dust, dander from neighbors pets and you! The adult male sheds 100,000 dead skin cells per hour. That's why "Blood-Hounds" work so well in tracking. Best of Luck!

  • @qivarebil2149
    @qivarebil2149 Před 2 měsíci

    Do You know what acid the "conditioner" is? Widely used in shipyards and metal fabrication, World wide.

  • @Harry455.
    @Harry455. Před 2 měsíci

    What about evaporust after stripping

  • @Jim-hv6ql
    @Jim-hv6ql Před 2 měsíci

    What advice would you give if someone had applied WD40.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci

      Wipe it down really good with acetone or lacquer thinner

    • @Jim-hv6ql
      @Jim-hv6ql Před 2 měsíci

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS Thank you for your advice, PS I'm learning heaps from your channel keep up the good work.

  • @tfoot22
    @tfoot22 Před 2 měsíci

    Bit confused, you said not to use any oils including wax and grease remover on the area that already has a tooth like sandblasted area, but then wax and grease remover was used on the 80 grit DA area. Is using it on the DA area fine and doesn't get stuck down in the grooves?

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Correct. Blasting is not smooth it has deeper pores. A DA surface of 80 grit is easily cleanable.

    • @tfoot22
      @tfoot22 Před 2 měsíci

      @@SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS Thanks for the reply! Awesome vid with great info.

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci

      @@tfoot22 thanks for watching

  • @user-lh7ef9kk7r
    @user-lh7ef9kk7r Před 2 měsíci

    What you think about using ospho rather than bonderite

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci +1

      I started looking into it long ago and I think it’s very similar. Just read the tds for that product and use it as they recommend

  • @TwistedMetalCustoms
    @TwistedMetalCustoms Před 2 měsíci

    Great video! 34:18
    Vote time! Touchy subject though..
    Like = bog to epoxy
    Comment = bog to bare metal
    (For me it's to epoxy every time)

    • @TwistedMetalCustoms
      @TwistedMetalCustoms Před 2 měsíci

      Epoxy every time for me 100%.
      Otherwise, just a tiny stone chip will expose the primer/bog/metal.. then rust will come, good shops take the time and Epoxy as soon as you can, awesome information Silvesters Customs 🍻

    • @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS
      @SYLVESTERSCUSTOMS  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Thank you

  • @yobringitondown5565
    @yobringitondown5565 Před 2 měsíci

    I understand the fact that sandblasting changes the metal but somebody should do a test. Perform a high resolution 3D scan of a part, say a fender. Then sandblasting it and do another scan to see EXACTLY if the fender warped and how much.
    Please someone do this. Inquiring minds want to know and SEE what the results are