@@connorstohl6050 Yeah, the city gave her the truck, They cannot say she stole it because that would be a lie any charges involved would be dropped. Then this would give additional evidence for her lawsuit.
Technically they gave her this truck and if she wanted to really get them she could start the process of claiming it as abandoned after x amount of days it could be hers too lol.
@@t-wrecks7481 "...they gave it to her." Just like she gave them the money. The city did not "steal" her truck. She never had it in her possession and she freely gave them the money for the truck, so they did not steal the money either. There are no criminal charges there, it is only a civil case. But at minimum they did damage her property and maybe even commit fraud by giving here the "wrong" truck, both of which would be criminal, if guilty.
@@zr71offroad20 You are right, they gave it to her so it would be a lie, but that doesn't always stop criminal cases, so you can't say "charges involved would be dropped." People are wrongfully convicted.
It seems pretty simple to me. She has the Title. She owns it. Not releasing it to her is the equivalent of Auto Theft. If they screwed up them that it is on them.
This is my thought as well. If I have title to a vehicle that (some person or entity) has in their possession, then they are guilty of auto theft. For the same reason, she's on the hook (no pun intended) for the truck sent to her.
I agree, she should return the truck that they delivered her and she should file auto theft charges through the state attorney for the council members that are withholding her property.
They are not asking for it back though and I certainly wouldn't incur the cost of having it transported back to them. She is owed what she bought. They handed the wrong vehicle over to her transporter. They screwed up, not her.
@@stephen4764 I just say return it that way the city can't claim they are negotiating paying the "difference" via that $1500 check they are trying to toss her.
Its only fraud if it was intentional. They would still be liable for damages but, not fraud unless they can prove that they intentionally tried to deceive the buyer.
@@tradeelmundo However, removing all the other equipment from the truck before attempting to complete the transaction indicates an intent to deceive. As a juror, I would see it that way.
Yep. N ppl who say she's stupid or its her fault ecetera aren't to smart. City committed fraud. Same way a car dealership can't do this type of practice when selling cars. It's a huge lawsuit followed by fines/penalties and then loss of licenses aswell. She coulda technically asked the city for the paperwork on the truck they sent her, since her paperwork doesn't bind that truck to her and probably coulda technically owned that truck and the one they originally swindled her for.
Except it sounds like the problem is her hired transport took the wrong truck so she is now mad at the city because that truck has been used as a parts truck.
@@alphaspursncowboys city released the wrong vehicle to the transport driver. Should he have confirmed it was the right one? Sure. But the city gave him the WRONG ONE. Beleive me if he just rolled up and took a truck hed be in jail
This happened more than five years ago. Does anyone know what the outcome was? It sounds like a clear case, and the longer the fire department resists, the greater the bill
@@scottb_02 I hear she now owes them the cost of 2 brand new fire trucks. She should have just been happy trying to sell a truck she doesn't legally own and can't legally sell because the vin's don't match... But what do I know...
@@Victor-tl4dk She COULD potentially be liable, you cant just keep property you didn't legally buy, that truck was not the one she paid for and she cant register it as the VIN doesnt match. Stripped for parts like the one she DID buy, makes that worth scrap value now, the city should just refund her money plus her transport and misc cost, give her the stripped truck to dispose of how she likes, and call it a day
Buyer would ABSOLUTELY notice when VINs were checked for registration, inspection, etc. I hate governments but this was not a bait and switch but an honest mistake. The fact is the buyer should have required the VIN to be confirmed by the transporter at pick up. That would have stopped everything in place and seen it rectified. She cannot have the old truck, it was stripped. She can get a $ difference for the value difference, which she can always argue, or she should be able to return it for a full refund although the transport is on her head. Of course since the transporter did not confirm the VIN a case could be made that the transporter should have to eat that, especially if they want to do business with her in the future. There is not getting the original truck, it is stripped. Life sucks, deal with it.
i think that only really applies when they seller doesn't get the short end of the stick also... they ended up giving her a truck that looked to be in much better condition and they are offering the difference in price....
@@kennethfharkin The fact that so many people dropped the ball tells you that it wasn't just the city even the lady didn't check at first. In fact it makes you wonder as to why they dropped the ball.
@SuperGoldnut they could easily change her name over to the vehicle they gave her accidentally, easy fix... but noooo she wants something that's already in pieces...
I admire her for both saying my vehicle each time it was mentioned and the fact that she isn't backing down in the city trying to bully her! And for the reporter, I have to just say.... Say "VIN number"ONE MORE TIME!! 😡
The first time I made a comment on this, I was surprised about how many Jacksonville residents had complained about their City Hall and how crooked they are.
Used fire trucks are bought by construction companies ( spraying down buildings that are being demolished to keep the dust down). I know a fire truck from my local fire department was sold to a fire company in South America. New fire trucks cost $200,000+ so buying used is very cost effective especially when the trucks are well maintained the entire time they are in service
also really poor management of the dude she hired to drive it down to her. wich is also why i doubt the city will be atfault, they will argue that the dude who picked it up is at fault
I used to work at an auto auction ( at times at the gate ) one of the things that is supposed to be checked is the VIN BEFORE the vehicle is allowed to leave the yard ( and the transporter is supposed to check that as well to make sure it is the right vehicle , too )
The problem is that she doesn't have a title for the truck she has and the one she paid for isnt in her possession. The city also basically blamed HER for taking the wrong truck, making it theft by misappropriation on her part. I'd just take the 1500+ an option to have first no bid deals on any new fire vehicles for sale in the next year or two as compensation .
So let me get this straight. They gave her a truck she *doesn't* have the title to, and kept the truck she *does* have the title to. Even if she did take the money, if she's intending to flip the truck it sounds like a nightmare trying to resell a truck she doesn't have the title to.
Governments have sovereign immunity and it sucks. I broke my scapula while riding my bike in 2017 due to negligent road maintenance/repairs and personal injury lawyers wouldn't even touch my case because the government is generally immune.
@@kidsafe Even when they don't have sovereign immunity, the goverment can reach down the taxpayers' pockets and just keep shoveling, until the "issue" goes away.
She HAS the title, it's literally her truck. This would be an easy court case I imagine. She could have someone tow it out of whatever yard their keeping it in and I imagine Jax can't do a thing about it
Except that she is in possession of a truck she does not have the title on. If she did that, I would imagine they could come after her. Maybe if she returned the truck she got, but even then government is not some random eBayer. She would probably get arrested.
Just grabbing the correct truck is only part of the issue. It's not in the condition it was sold as. It's worth a fraction of that after being stripped.
That is incredibly illegal, if any individual did this at an auction, they would be in prison as a result. Whoever was ultimately responsible for that should be in prison and never have control over anything or anyone but themselves from here on. Knowing government work, there are probably a chain of scapegoats that circle back to each other all of them belong in jail, for being a part of something so corrupt
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Nobody would end up in prison over something like this. Worst case scenario would be a full refund plus punitive damages. Most likely just a full refund plus any expenses she incurred.
No you wouldn't, because fraud means there was a deliberate scam to advertise one fire truck and deliver a different one. That is unlikely in this case and even if it was would be very difficult to prove.
They probably started scrapping it for parts before she contacted them, by the time they realized their mistake the damage was done. They didn't want to have to fix it back up so they tried to change the deal.
Imagine if I sold you a car and delivered a different one, then you find out I started parting out the car you legally own. Wonder how many years I’d be locked up for fraud? Apparently none if I’m the government.
There is nothing at all unusual about stripping one vehicle for parts to keep the rest of the fleet on the road. All organisations with large fleets of vehicles do it.
@@zchris87v80you'd be locked up zero days given that you acted in good faith which they may have. Fraud legally is the INTENTIONAL use of deceit or trickery. A mistake is not a fraud, that's why this is civil. I assure you the city didn't intentionally list the wrong vehicle. They probably even intended to list the 2004 AFTER they stripped it. If they have multiple other 04' models and no other 02' ones they'd sell the 02 intact.
Once she transfers the title, she can show up with police and take her property back. At this point the city just needs to give all her auction money back then do a deal to swap titles to where she keeps the older truck for free. That is the only way to make this right if they wont restore and giver her truck back.
@Christobanistan That's not how that works. If I steal your car and put it in my driveway, I can't say "You're not allowed onto my property." Bring cops and you will get your stuff back.
@Christobanistan it's not how it works, it's not impounded if it's drivable she can take it as it's her property she just needs police still allow her to be on the property to take it, it's just unfunctional because components were taken out so they damaged her vehicle..
That problem exists if your country/state allows cities to leverage taxes. If they would get a fixed (but limited) share of tax revenue of the state/or federal government, they would have limited ressources and couldn't acquire more with taxes. Obviously there is no efficient use of money if wasting it has no negative effect (especially in a two party system).
Yh because she’ll take them to court because she got a better firetruck instead it’s so terrible that she could buy a firetruck that was broken and then they gave her a working one worth the same price oh no what on earth can she do 😭😭😭😭
Sounds like City has stolen a firetruck, so same as with any vehicle, charges should be filed against City, and when they drag their heels, Mayor can be shown his new cot in Gray Bar Hotel!
VIN numbers and unit numbers are extremely easy to check. Either the bureaucrat in charge was too lazy and stupid to do something that simple or this was done purposefully because they decided they wanted the parts from the firetruck that they sold her so they switched them and hoped she was too stupid to notice.
It is her responsibility to check the VIN of the truck at the moment of picking it up. Actually she stole a truck now, city should send the cops over :)
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Only the government can say “oops” and get away with it. If it was a person the selling party would be forced to fix the truck back to its original condition and then payed for wasting the buyers time.
The standard political response, "we investigated and discovered the error, but we're not going to fix it, lessons were learned". It's always the "lessons were learned" part that never gets believed, cause it keeps happening.
When you have a revolving door of low level employees who you can claim "learned their lesson", then you don't have to take any responsibility. The real lesson learned is by the victim of the offense who has now decided never to deal with governments again.
Does the city have an attorney? If they do I would think their job could be in jeopardy because they didn't warn them they would get sued. She could sue for her lawyer fees too.
Agreed. If he had done that, none of this would have happened. Still, though, the city of Jacksonville is on the hook for this one ultimately. If she sues them, she'll win.
I like how they tried to blame it on the transport for not first verifying the VIN. Um...The City released the wrong truck to the transport is relevant, but not mentioned in the City Press release! The transport checking their job isn't!
They should give her a complimentary "Sorry we screwed up" free fire truck. It was their error and I would sooner see the money go to her rather than some cold government owned auction that clearly has more money than brains anyway.
I have lived in Jacksonville all my life Robert and you can trust me when I tell you you absolutely DO NOT WANT TO LIVE HERE. It is HORRIBLE. All the bad stories you have heard are TRUE and then some. All the good stories you have hear are LIES made up by the greedy Chamber of Commerce.
Somebody actually made a mistake, and now they think they can ignore their obligation and bully their way through the problem. They have the opportunity to make a good faith settlement or lose an embarrassing and expensive case in the Courts. Damages should include the additional money that She resold the truck for but was unable to collect and time spent dealing with the City.
@@osco4311, no court would ever consider the potential profit she might have made. The responsibility of the seller in this case would be to make the buyer 'whole'. In other words, if they can't give the buyer what was agreed upon, they must take whatever steps are necessary to restore the buyer to the same position they were in before the agreement was made. Any costs incurred by the buyer (detailing, transportation, legal fees, etc) would be reimbursed by the seller. The wrong truck and the title would be returned to the seller.
Yeah exactly. Everyone feels bad for the poor lady that drove away with the wrong truck and now wants the tax payers to make right by her. If you can't even do that basic level of diligence, you really have no business flipping. Both parties made mistakes and hurt the tax payers. I guess the station is now short a ladder truck - hopefully her mansion doesn't catch fire.
So basically she has a firetruck with no title. And a title to a another firetruck she dosnt have? And now the title she owns for the other firetruck, she can repo it legally?
odeis5 It had tires on it when she bought it & the city has already admitted that they have taking parts off the truck after it was already sold. She took detailed pictures of truck before she bought it. If she takes it in front of a judge she’s going to win & get her attorney fees paid for. Why do you think she should just accept what the city initially wanted to give her?
odeis5 I’ve read several articles on this and she took detailed pictures of the truck and sent them to the buyer she had lined up for it. SHE LEGALLY OWNS THE TRUCK AND SHE HAS THE LEGAL TITLE IN HER NAME!. My daughter is an attorney and she said it’s much easier & faster to get the city to do the right thing willingly than to go to the courts first.
@@jamielancaster01 who is she taking "detailed" pictures of the truck if she never went there and send someone else to pick it up WHO BY THE WAY PICKED UP THE WRONG ONE.
If the city mistakenly parted out a truck this woman legally owns they are legally required to repair her truck for her before returning it to her. If she has all the paperwork to prove she owns it the city is committing vandalism if they continue to take parts off her truck knowing they don't own legally it. It sounds like she needs to hire an attorney and possibly press charges as well.
Not likely to be a good enough answer. Miscellaneous unknown old parts slapped together are not going to be equal to the value of the well maintained truck they sold her. Government will screw you out of a dollar even if it costs thousands of dollars to do it.
I used to buy and sell fire and police vehicles for a local city government. It sounds like the vehicle she bought was already stripped for extra parts to use for other fire trucks. Instead of admitting that, they tried to pull a fast one and send her another... oops! They will bury the person responsible under mountains of red tape and he or she will never take responsibility. I hope the purchaser ends up with a substantial financial settlement.
EASY SOLUTION: She has ownership papers; report the firetruck as stolen! Then force the Jacksonville PD to "recover" the vehicle! She would get the truck she's entitled to AND the City would be forced to pay restitution for damages! This isn't rocket-science!
@milchuck Then why do they want the title back? Easy, they cannot do anything with that vehicle; they cannot sell it as they do not have the title. The state also would not issue a replacement since they are no longer the legal owner of it. As soon as they get that title, they can freely sell it. All she would need to do, file papers with the court and then take the court order to the sheriffs office and they are bound to enforce the court order that the vehicle is to be released. If the city wants to keep it, then they can try to convince the judge that they are the rightful owner even though they sold the vehicle and provided the title to the other party. All the city can do is delay and have legal fees accumulate; but when they lose, they will be out a lot more money and still not have that fire truck.
She needs a lawyer, not the cops. But then it's a question of cost vs benefits of getting the right truck back... might be a good small claims complaint
@@codeoptimizationware2803 Hope fully she got paid off or got her truck and signed a NDO and thats why we haven't heard. The reddit patrol will probably find out.
I'd say he kinda did her a favor,lol. At least she has something for the 10 grand. If the truck she bought was "on the road" already she would have been out 10 grand and no truck. And it would have been 6 months or a year before she got her money back. They would have dragged that out for sure. Not to mention she still would have been charged by the transporter for at least half of the bill. Or the driver knew what was up and didn't want to lose a load,lol.
@@highpockets5340 but at the same time, if you are transporting a vehicle or any type, you should check the the vin to make sure you are being given the correct thing, even if the seller is saying it’s correct it may not be and checking the vin verifys that information. That being said the person that verified the release of the truck also should have checked the vin of the truck that was released against the one she bought. Honestly everyone is at fault for this is some way or another
@@KayColeLynn Sorry but only the person that released the wrong truck is responsible. Transport/driver did their job from pt A to B without damage/delay. I Think of it like a delivery from Amazon, if the contents are wrong is it the drivers fault?
lol so they want they ownership back of the truck she has, but they wont give her the truck she owns or her money back. might as well take them to court. but what i wanna know, is did she follow through?
I don't know the outcome as of this comment but she unquestionably has the legal right to sue, or at least in most states in these bait and switch situations involving vehicles. I would love to hear about an update. NOTE: This is from 2018 and it's only now being noticed on CZcams? What a weird algorithm.
@@fyrman9092 The government will blame someone else. Who could that be? They will blame the transporter employee and ignore their employee. So sorry but we did improve so (maybe) it won't happen again.
This isn't at all surprising to me. Many years ago I was signing for a Military units new vehicles for a particular type of weapon system. One of the...special...components serial numbers did not match the paperwork and noted the correct serial number down and signed for that. Turns out they had swapped two units serial numbers on the paperwork for that particular item, it was easy enough to switch once it was in our system, but considering the other unit didn't note the discrepancy and they signed for their stuff first it made it more difficult to fix.
How is this “the most American problem ever” it’s a serious problem all over the world. Not only did she buy something & was given something else & not only did she buy a truck have the paperwork for a specific truck (that if she were to get involved with the police in any matter when pertaining to the truck she will get arrested for not having the correct paperwork & will legally be seen as GTA) but more importantly she bought it from a governmental body & said governmental body not only gave her the wrong truck but are refusing to help her. A governmental body telling a citizen that they will get something only to give that citizen something else happens all over the world.
@@pepethepatriot7524 Private fire departments don't exist here in Spain at all. They are all run by the government and with new fire trucks only, so those old fire trucks are completely useless here. So yeah, it's a very American thing indeed.
@@Alcosmos_ private fire departments don’t exist in America either. What the women wanted to do was buy an old truck, refurbish (or make it new if you don’t know what that means) & then give it away to a fire station that needs it.
My car was once parked in front of my friends house. It was snowing, and there wasn’t any parking ban issued. We went to a ski resort that was local. Returning back from our trip, I seen my car completely smashed in on the fender and wheel area completely destroying the car. I called the police, and they said they would send someone out. 5 hours later no one showed up. I called a couple more times and they kept saying someone would come. The neighbors came out and said they seen what happened. A city snow plow truck had smashed into it. I called the police back and they told me I would have to fix my car myself, and then send the city the bill and they would determine if the repairs were necessary. I told them I needed their insurance information and they refused. Also, since I was now deprived of a vehicle I relied on for transportation, I told them by law I must be given a rental vehicle until my car was repaired. I was threatened on the phone by a police officer saying that if I kept causing trouble they would charge me with illegally parking a car and obstructing police. So I called 19 action news. A few hours later I was on TV and I told my story. And guess what? The next day I was contacted by someone. They gave me the information I needed, got me a tow truck to tow my vehicle to the repair shop of my choosing, which is the law, and they said all damages would be paid for in full. And guess what else? I got my rental car. Unfortunately I still missed 3 classes at the college I was attending but at least it was handled. Funny thing though, after all that was taken care of, the news network pulled my video off of their site and it was no where to be found anymore. I wish I still had it. I liked being on TV. Made me feel cool fighting for justice and holding the city accountable and forcing them to OBEY THE LAW.
And the outcome was .... ??? .... did it get resolved ... did Jacksonville re-assemble the incorrectly disassembled truck as any private seller would have to?
Govdeals will ban you from buying & suspends your account if you violate the terms as a buyer. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to apply to sellers. I've gone somewhere to pick an item up and had to receive a refund, because it "wasn't there any longer". Funny thing is, you also have to jump through the hoops required by the seller in terms of differing terms of payment, time of payment, pickup times, etc., etc., etc. The transporter should refund her fee for not checking both the VIN and Unit # before taking possession of it. The City should also do an investigation of the circumstances and punish anyone who may have done this on purpose, as in "bait and switch". Administration may have wanted to be rid of the 2002 model and the listing agent accidentally listed the 2004 model or they may have wanted the 2004 unit gone, but the Town Garage may have wanted the Unit kept and stripped, just as they ended up doing. This is a fail on many levels and she should not only recover the difference in value, but also what she put out for transporting and detailing it. That's what's fair. The City should have its Govdeals account suspended for a period of time too.
But she also has the wrong truck. 2 years older means much less value, and both losing value as every day passes. Of course, the city does not care as it's taxpayer money.
The fact they’ve stripped HER truck for parts, makes the transaction to fix regis, a lot more complicated. Depending on the terms of the sale, it could range from a refund, replacement, or up to providing an alternate product to the same value and functionality as the ‘misplaced’ item. If I was her, I’d start by lodging a claim for a new truck with all matching equipment, then let them negotiate down from that with my lawyer - and they’re paying for them too !
Yep. The $1500 difference is somewhat reasonable as a good faith first offer to make her whole. But their bargaining position is gone after stripping the vehicle while she owned it, so she has no reason to take that offer.
@Snowsc Used firetrucks are not considered fungible. They stripped her truck by accident, so they owe her full restoration of her truck. They owe her the truck plus restoration of the truck, which would probably cost them about 20'000. They want to give her a different cheaper truck, of their choosing, and the difference in price, which costs them nothing (she already paid for it). She didn't buy that different truck, and they can't force her to accept it. Used firetrucks are not fungible. The moment they refused to give her her truck when notified about the mistake, they made it much harder to claim it's all an accident, which opens the possibility of damages as well.
If I was her, I'd contact local PD, call it "stolen" (because it was) and tell them that a PI found it stripped for parts at x location. Press charges on the people who stole it.
When substituting a sold auction item with a similar but inferior item, what is the difference between a mistake and fraud if the seller, not only does not subsequently supply the correct item, but devalues the correct item by removing parts off it to use elsewhere?
If the city canned the employees who messed up checking the certifiable identification numbers on two vehicles, they would find the money to fix her truck and cover the costs from the salaries. And they'd be freed from a useless employee or ten...
She holds title to that truck. Therefore they stole it and have damaged it. Big time lawsuit.
@@connorstohl6050 nope, sounds to me like they gave it to her
@@connorstohl6050 Yeah, the city gave her the truck, They cannot say she stole it because that would be a lie any charges involved would be dropped. Then this would give additional evidence for her lawsuit.
Technically they gave her this truck and if she wanted to really get them she could start the process of claiming it as abandoned after x amount of days it could be hers too lol.
@@t-wrecks7481 "...they gave it to her." Just like she gave them the money.
The city did not "steal" her truck. She never had it in her possession and she freely gave them the money for the truck, so they did not steal the money either. There are no criminal charges there, it is only a civil case. But at minimum they did damage her property and maybe even commit fraud by giving here the "wrong" truck, both of which would be criminal, if guilty.
@@zr71offroad20 You are right, they gave it to her so it would be a lie, but that doesn't always stop criminal cases, so you can't say "charges involved would be dropped." People are wrongfully convicted.
It seems pretty simple to me. She has the Title. She owns it. Not releasing it to her is the equivalent of Auto Theft. If they screwed up them that it is on them.
I second that argument @Stephen
This is my thought as well. If I have title to a vehicle that (some person or entity) has in their possession, then they are guilty of auto theft. For the same reason, she's on the hook (no pun intended) for the truck sent to her.
I agree, she should return the truck that they delivered her and she should file auto theft charges through the state attorney for the council members that are withholding her property.
They are not asking for it back though and I certainly wouldn't incur the cost of having it transported back to them. She is owed what she bought. They handed the wrong vehicle over to her transporter. They screwed up, not her.
@@stephen4764 I just say return it that way the city can't claim they are negotiating paying the "difference" via that $1500 check they are trying to toss her.
For anyone curios she sued and was granted full recompense for both the truck and transport costs
This took me 10 minutes to find someone who commented the answer. Thank you.
I would've just gone up there, hotwired the truck I legally owned and drove it off the lot.
@@sergeybrin1963 no you wouldnt
@@sergeybrin1963 it was takin apart
@@sergeybrin1963 HELL YEAH
I like how instead of her first thought being wanting to get her money back, she instead just wanted to get her fire truck.
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@@quandale2648 sigma*
She wants to-sell it
I want to get my fire truck back, so I can sell it make even more of my money back*
Bc she was gonna flip it... lol
This is called Fraud if any ordinary person did it.
It's still fraud. But the government gets away with that and worse on a daily basis.
The ol' switcheroo.
Its only fraud if it was intentional. They would still be liable for damages but, not fraud unless they can prove that they intentionally tried to deceive the buyer.
@@tradeelmundo However, removing all the other equipment from the truck before attempting to complete the transaction indicates an intent to deceive. As a juror, I would see it that way.
After repoing it, sue them for all the items stollen that make it different than auctioned.... make the city pay to replace each item they stripped
If I accepted money for a vehicle and then gave somebody the wrong one and refused to change it… I’d be in jail for fraud
Yep. N ppl who say she's stupid or its her fault ecetera aren't to smart. City committed fraud. Same way a car dealership can't do this type of practice when selling cars. It's a huge lawsuit followed by fines/penalties and then loss of licenses aswell. She coulda technically asked the city for the paperwork on the truck they sent her, since her paperwork doesn't bind that truck to her and probably coulda technically owned that truck and the one they originally swindled her for.
Federal because it's over $5,000
@Tom Bombadildo your name 🤣
Mine used to be Rumple Foreskin.
Except it sounds like the problem is her hired transport took the wrong truck so she is now mad at the city because that truck has been used as a parts truck.
@@alphaspursncowboys city released the wrong vehicle to the transport driver. Should he have confirmed it was the right one? Sure. But the city gave him the WRONG ONE. Beleive me if he just rolled up and took a truck hed be in jail
“this a fight she could win”… SHE OWNS THE FIRETRUCK
This happened more than five years ago. Does anyone know what the outcome was?
It sounds like a clear case, and the longer the fire department resists, the greater the bill
I tried looking it up and can't find anything right away
That's because the city hid. It they do it all the time hide their mistakes but publish our mistake s
@@OkieOtaku It likely is not of enough significance to get much beyond local news services.
@@Tarbux ikr! wtf? o.0 I don't live in Florida and I don't watch videos about firetrucks, so no clue... o.o
@@sykomcawesomeness apparently, at least one of those statements is in error. 😂
Buyer: This isn’t what we agreed to.
City of Jacksonville: I’ve altered the agreement. Pray that I do not alter it any further.
This deal is getting worse all the time..
Lmao. But they don't have the title so they're kinda screwed too 😂
@@scottb_02 I hear she now owes them the cost of 2 brand new fire trucks. She should have just been happy trying to sell a truck she doesn't legally own and can't legally sell because the vin's don't match... But what do I know...
@@Unknownize " I hear she now owes them the cost of 2 brand new fire trucks." Source?
@@philipethier9136 dude...really that was clearly the most sarcastic comment in existence.
If a citizen did it, they would be sued until they were broke
And in jail
yeah.. they would be in jail hun
They might be arrested for theft too.
And then lose their mortgage if they don't post bond.
@@Victor-tl4dk Yep. And arrest all the people who owned the truck. The taxpayers of Jacksonville.
@@Victor-tl4dk She COULD potentially be liable, you cant just keep property you didn't legally buy, that truck was not the one she paid for and she cant register it as the VIN doesnt match. Stripped for parts like the one she DID buy, makes that worth scrap value now, the city should just refund her money plus her transport and misc cost, give her the stripped truck to dispose of how she likes, and call it a day
5 years later... what happened? did she get the truck or a decent settlement?
I'd like to know as well
She passed away sadly
@@tate8403 cap. like farming with this comment.
@Neya Neya try typing that again so it makes sense to us
@@acp865 So there's this thing called the internet which is in some ways similar to the telegraph you grew up with...
Her lawyer is going to have a field day with this. This is a slam dunk.
The old bait & switch hoping the buyer doesn't notice.
The old switcheroo!!
Buyer would ABSOLUTELY notice when VINs were checked for registration, inspection, etc. I hate governments but this was not a bait and switch but an honest mistake.
The fact is the buyer should have required the VIN to be confirmed by the transporter at pick up. That would have stopped everything in place and seen it rectified. She cannot have the old truck, it was stripped. She can get a $ difference for the value difference, which she can always argue, or she should be able to return it for a full refund although the transport is on her head. Of course since the transporter did not confirm the VIN a case could be made that the transporter should have to eat that, especially if they want to do business with her in the future.
There is not getting the original truck, it is stripped. Life sucks, deal with it.
i think that only really applies when they seller doesn't get the short end of the stick also... they ended up giving her a truck that looked to be in much better condition and they are offering the difference in price....
@@kennethfharkin The fact that so many people dropped the ball tells you that it wasn't just the city even the lady didn't check at first. In fact it makes you wonder as to why they dropped the ball.
@SuperGoldnut they could easily change her name over to the vehicle they gave her accidentally, easy fix... but noooo she wants something that's already in pieces...
Woman: “You sold me the wrong truck, can I...”
City: “no givesies backsies”
For real, can I have the title back? She owns the vehicle so I'm pretty that title is hers.
Yeah, but they can just file for a lost title.
lolllllll wtf
@@kalim4835 Yeah...at this point it could lead to grand theft auto. It's her title, she paid for it, she owns it and they stole her truck.
@@Zxavioure no she can file for stolen and damaged vehicle. Which one would win in court.
I admire her for both saying my vehicle each time it was mentioned and the fact that she isn't backing down in the city trying to bully her!
And for the reporter, I have to just say.... Say "VIN number"ONE MORE TIME!! 😡
They better head to the ATM machine as ASAP as possible or they might RIP in peace.
@@kaldo8907 Why? So they can put in a PIN Number?!
@@TheDOSGamerInput it straight into the touchscreen LCD display!
My NIC CARD in my computer stopped working!
I had to buy a new GPU because the PCB decided it wanted to become a toaster and burnt up 😂
The first time I made a comment on this, I was surprised about how many Jacksonville residents had complained about their City Hall and how crooked they are.
Two questions: who flips fire trucks and, more importantly, why am I watching this at 340am?
I’ve bought an sold several!
Used fire trucks are bought by construction companies ( spraying down buildings that are being demolished to keep the dust down). I know a fire truck from my local fire department was sold to a fire company in South America. New fire trucks cost $200,000+ so buying used is very cost effective especially when the trucks are well maintained the entire time they are in service
1:52 Am here!
There is just as big a market for used fire trucks as there is for used military vehicles. People will collect anything.
Many rural or small towns buy used trucks because they can't afford to buy new ones. You can refurbish a fire truck and get even more.
The lack of VIN checking at gate release is really poor auction yard management...
also really poor management of the dude she hired to drive it down to her. wich is also why i doubt the city will be atfault, they will argue that the dude who picked it up is at fault
@@animalm4st3r No.
I used to work at an auto auction ( at times at the gate ) one of the things that is supposed to be checked is the VIN BEFORE the vehicle is allowed to leave the yard ( and the transporter is supposed to check that as well to make sure it is the right vehicle , too )
Transporter is to blame as well. I haul RVs from the factory and first thing i do is verify the vin
Transporter should be thankful they weren't stopped by the police
The problem is that she doesn't have a title for the truck she has and the one she paid for isnt in her possession. The city also basically blamed HER for taking the wrong truck, making it theft by misappropriation on her part. I'd just take the 1500+ an option to have first no bid deals on any new fire vehicles for sale in the next year or two as compensation .
So let me get this straight. They gave her a truck she *doesn't* have the title to, and kept the truck she *does* have the title to. Even if she did take the money, if she's intending to flip the truck it sounds like a nightmare trying to resell a truck she doesn't have the title to.
Insane that when the government makes a mistake they can do whatever they want but if a citizen did the same they would go to jail.
Exactly.
Governments have sovereign immunity and it sucks. I broke my scapula while riding my bike in 2017 due to negligent road maintenance/repairs and personal injury lawyers wouldn't even touch my case because the government is generally immune.
@@Tadesan they're the ones that rigged the system.
@@kidsafe Even when they don't have sovereign immunity, the goverment can reach down the taxpayers' pockets and just keep shoveling, until the "issue" goes away.
@@kidsafe you broke yourself because you were reckless and crashed lol
She HAS the title, it's literally her truck. This would be an easy court case I imagine. She could have someone tow it out of whatever yard their keeping it in and I imagine Jax can't do a thing about it
she probably didnt want to spend thousands in court/lawyer costs
@@killzone3234 it's a civil suit, the losing city government would pay the lawyer fees
Except that she is in possession of a truck she does not have the title on. If she did that, I would imagine they could come after her. Maybe if she returned the truck she got, but even then government is not some random eBayer. She would probably get arrested.
Just grabbing the correct truck is only part of the issue. It's not in the condition it was sold as. It's worth a fraction of that after being stripped.
@@bobmazzi7435 ah totally right
That is incredibly illegal, if any individual did this at an auction, they would be in prison as a result. Whoever was ultimately responsible for that should be in prison and never have control over anything or anyone but themselves from here on.
Knowing government work, there are probably a chain of scapegoats that circle back to each other all of them belong in jail, for being a part of something so corrupt
City itself not need to fallow rules and thats a law lol
If president kills someone then they hit hes fingers with wooden stick and repeat:Dont do it again and say sorry ^^ woops and go out playing hehe
Good child,just little bit over hands hihi
No they should not. You’re delusional
Nobody would end up in prison over something like this. Worst case scenario would be a full refund plus punitive damages. Most likely just a full refund plus any expenses she incurred.
No you wouldn't, because fraud means there was a deliberate scam to advertise one fire truck and deliver a different one. That is unlikely in this case and even if it was would be very difficult to prove.
I can’t think of one legitimate reason why they would damage it other than to just make this harder for her to just acquire what she legally owns
They probably started scrapping it for parts before she contacted them, by the time they realized their mistake the damage was done. They didn't want to have to fix it back up so they tried to change the deal.
scraps
Imagine if I sold you a car and delivered a different one, then you find out I started parting out the car you legally own. Wonder how many years I’d be locked up for fraud? Apparently none if I’m the government.
There is nothing at all unusual about stripping one vehicle for parts to keep the rest of the fleet on the road. All organisations with large fleets of vehicles do it.
@@zchris87v80you'd be locked up zero days given that you acted in good faith which they may have.
Fraud legally is the INTENTIONAL use of deceit or trickery.
A mistake is not a fraud, that's why this is civil.
I assure you the city didn't intentionally list the wrong vehicle. They probably even intended to list the 2004 AFTER they stripped it.
If they have multiple other 04' models and no other 02' ones they'd sell the 02 intact.
She has the title, she can rightfully go and take it any time she wants
You would think
Once she transfers the title, she can show up with police and take her property back.
At this point the city just needs to give all her auction money back then do a deal to swap titles to where she keeps the older truck for free. That is the only way to make this right if they wont restore and giver her truck back.
But the truck has been stripped of parts so it’s not worth picking up in the condition that it’s in currently..
@Christobanistan That's not how that works. If I steal your car and put it in my driveway, I can't say "You're not allowed onto my property." Bring cops and you will get your stuff back.
@Christobanistan it's not how it works, it's not impounded if it's drivable she can take it as it's her property she just needs police still allow her to be on the property to take it, it's just unfunctional because components were taken out so they damaged her vehicle..
The sad part is the city will spend 10s of thousands of dollars to fight this in court, rather than just right their wrong.
Tens of thousands of TAXPAYER dollars!
They don't care they're spending our money
That problem exists if your country/state allows cities to leverage taxes. If they would get a fixed (but limited) share of tax revenue of the state/or federal government, they would have limited ressources and couldn't acquire more with taxes. Obviously there is no efficient use of money if wasting it has no negative effect (especially in a two party system).
Fire trucks can cost 2 million dollars
Yh because she’ll take them to court because she got a better firetruck instead it’s so terrible that she could buy a firetruck that was broken and then they gave her a working one worth the same price oh no what on earth can she do 😭😭😭😭
Oh!!! What a great story!!! Looking forward to the updates!!! 😊
Sounds like City has stolen a firetruck, so same as with any vehicle, charges should be filed against City, and when they drag their heels, Mayor can be shown his new cot in Gray Bar Hotel!
Person 1: I am a policeman
Person 2: I am a waiter
This woman: I flip used firetrucks
She must be pretty strong.
If a regular citizen does this, the city would be sending them to jail. But as far as government is concerned, the rules (law) don't apply to them.
Until Now, i hope she wins her rightful truck and monies lost!
Its always been that way
Exactly
VIN numbers and unit numbers are extremely easy to check. Either the bureaucrat in charge was too lazy and stupid to do something that simple or this was done purposefully because they decided they wanted the parts from the firetruck that they sold her so they switched them and hoped she was too stupid to notice.
It is her responsibility to check the VIN of the truck at the moment of picking it up. Actually she stole a truck now, city should send the cops over :)
@@mipmipmipmipmipwhat kind of clown logic is this
I wasn't aware of the "Michigan's Columbus: The Life of Douglass Houghton" book you wrote. Originally being from Michigan and being familiar with Houghton Lake I decided to order a copy of the book.
Only the government can say “oops” and get away with it. If it was a person the selling party would be forced to fix the truck back to its original condition and then payed for wasting the buyers time.
@Jim McCracken that is also wrong
The government and most corporations. That's what an LLC is for.
The standard political response, "we investigated and discovered the error, but we're not going to fix it, lessons were learned".
It's always the "lessons were learned" part that never gets believed, cause it keeps happening.
When you have a revolving door of low level employees who you can claim "learned their lesson", then you don't have to take any responsibility. The real lesson learned is by the victim of the offense who has now decided never to deal with governments again.
It's just "lessons documented" so that they can say in the future, "mistakes were made, we are refining our process so this doesn't happen again."
Does the city have an attorney? If they do I would think their job could be in jeopardy because they didn't warn them they would get sued. She could sue for her lawyer fees too.
Government casually doing Grand Theft Auto
The Transporter should have verified the VIN Number before accepting the truck
Agreed. If he had done that, none of this would have happened. Still, though, the city of Jacksonville is on the hook for this one ultimately. If she sues them, she'll win.
That as well.
Who doesn't?
Good point but the transportation pulled up to a government lot with paper work and the government told him witch truck to load.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
When I read that title, I first thought that they had somehow mixed up the out of service fire truck with an in service fire truck.
File a police report for a stolen truck
That deadpan “yay I got a fire truck” 😂 1:30
The only winners in this situation is the lawyers...
Lmao, is this the same city that had a surgeon remove the wrong kidney?
😂
It's Jacksonville, so yeah, I'd believe that lol
Whaaat! Hot damn! :O
Looking through public records, I find NO city employees selling the wrong personal car they own. That's weird.
Love this women! I want to hug her and thank her! Heck of a engineer!
Sounds like they decided to part it out to spite her.
Any normal business operating like this would be closed and it’s workers indicted for fraud.
Im sure the city will investigate itself and find no wrongdoing.
I like how they tried to blame it on the transport for not first verifying the VIN. Um...The City released the wrong truck to the transport is relevant, but not mentioned in the City Press release! The transport checking their job isn't!
She should just go take the truck and now she owns two fire trucks lol.
be like sorry we screwd up
but its different when its them tho. they take it personally
She should but now things are missing from it that were there when she bought it
@@Yaco_Taco aw man yea had to rewatch they did dismantle it for parts
They should give her a complimentary "Sorry we screwed up" free fire truck. It was their error and I would sooner see the money go to her rather than some cold government owned auction that clearly has more money than brains anyway.
Rookie in the garage: hey guys that’s the wrong .....
All the seasoned pros: SHUT UP NEWBIE! Keep scrubbing the truck.
I just learned that there are people flipping FIRETRUCKS for profit.
Who even buys them???
Why is a 5 year old story popping up on peoples reccomended list now?
In the last five years I have continually heard bad things about Jacksonville Florida makes me not want to go there.
TRUST ME U DONT!! i live here in DUVALLLL CO. on the westside KILLINGS everyday!!
I have lived in Jacksonville all my life Robert and you can trust me when I tell you you absolutely DO NOT WANT TO LIVE HERE. It is HORRIBLE. All the bad stories you have heard are TRUE and then some. All the good stories you have hear are LIES made up by the greedy Chamber of Commerce.
nilknarf483 But at least Jacksonville Florida is the biggest city in America. Too bad most of it is a swamp. Is that true or not.👍😁😎
@@robertdawson9114 no
Derek G it’s like that here in Atlanta, if there’s not a killing one day the next day there are two Atlanta has gone downhill.👍😁😎
Seems the easiest thing is to give her a full refund, including what she may have paid to drive the truck to her.
Somebody actually made a mistake, and now they think they can ignore their obligation and bully their way through the problem.
They have the opportunity to make a good faith settlement or lose an embarrassing and expensive case in the Courts.
Damages should include the additional money that She resold the truck for but was unable to collect and time spent dealing with the City.
That's break-even, but it doesn't make up the profit she was going to make off the sale. Their mistake cost her money.
@@osco4311, no court would ever consider the potential profit she might have made. The responsibility of the seller in this case would be to make the buyer 'whole'. In other words, if they can't give the buyer what was agreed upon, they must take whatever steps are necessary to restore the buyer to the same position they were in before the agreement was made. Any costs incurred by the buyer (detailing, transportation, legal fees, etc) would be reimbursed by the seller. The wrong truck and the title would be returned to the seller.
@@retread1083 if she had a buyer lined up (she did) she can prove damages.
@@retread1083 100% correct. You can't get your potential profits! Osco4311 is ridiculous!
5 years later, anyone know how this was resolved?
Yeah, the civil servant retired.
The person who picked it up should also be partly responsible for just leaving with the wrong vehicle instead of verifying that everything was correct
Yeah exactly. Everyone feels bad for the poor lady that drove away with the wrong truck and now wants the tax payers to make right by her. If you can't even do that basic level of diligence, you really have no business flipping. Both parties made mistakes and hurt the tax payers. I guess the station is now short a ladder truck - hopefully her mansion doesn't catch fire.
So basically she has a firetruck with no title. And a title to a another firetruck she dosnt have? And now the title she owns for the other firetruck, she can repo it legally?
maybe, but not without getting it running again. its been stripped for parts.
@@LCARSDATANODE thats true..
@@LCARSDATANODE I think what she bought ended being rebuilt and put into service.
And further charge for every part removed since the moment of sale.
They need to make that truck whole & give her the truck she legally own!
odeis5 It had tires on it when she bought it & the city has already admitted that they have taking parts off the truck after it was already sold. She took detailed pictures of truck before she bought it. If she takes it in front of a judge she’s going to win & get her attorney fees paid for. Why do you think she should just accept what the city initially wanted to give her?
odeis5 As for the “as is” that is exactly what she wants - she what’s the truck that she bought just as it was when she bought it.
odeis5 I’ve read several articles on this and she took detailed pictures of the truck and sent them to the buyer she had lined up for it. SHE LEGALLY OWNS THE TRUCK AND SHE HAS THE LEGAL TITLE IN HER NAME!. My daughter is an attorney and she said it’s much easier & faster to get the city to do the right thing willingly than to go to the courts first.
@@jamielancaster01 who is she taking "detailed" pictures of the truck if she never went there and send someone else to pick it up WHO BY THE WAY PICKED UP THE WRONG ONE.
TurtleIsNotAngry I’m not sure what we are arguing about. She sued the city & the city settled with her before they went to court back in August.
The sad part is she doesn't own the vehicle they gave her, so she can't sell it to even try and make some of the money back.
Honestly the only thing I can think of is reporting it as stolen
If the city mistakenly parted out a truck this woman legally owns they are legally required to repair her truck for her before returning it to her. If she has all the paperwork to prove she owns it the city is committing vandalism if they continue to take parts off her truck knowing they don't own legally it. It sounds like she needs to hire an attorney and possibly press charges as well.
Not likely to be a good enough answer. Miscellaneous unknown old parts slapped together are not going to be equal to the value of the well maintained truck they sold her. Government will screw you out of a dollar even if it costs thousands of dollars to do it.
Govs running a chop shop.
I wouldn't pay criminals taxes and would move away immediately.
I used to buy and sell fire and police vehicles for a local city government. It sounds like the vehicle she bought was
already stripped for extra parts to use for other fire
trucks. Instead of admitting
that, they tried to pull a fast
one and send her another...
oops! They will bury the person responsible under
mountains of red tape and
he or she will never take
responsibility.
I hope the purchaser ends up
with a substantial financial settlement.
May I ask why you right like this
@@donk5058 He's a poet in his current job, and it's hard to write normally when not working.
@@donk5058 The reason he " rights" because he knows how to write standard English.
@@daschwarz1649 o cool but why is the formatting so weird
@@donk5058 I would suspect a formatting error or limitation on the electronic he was writing on. Oh, and you get no points.
Report the theft and inform the city to pick up their belongings.
Absolutely it needs to go to court. Id love to know more about how the court case is going
EASY SOLUTION: She has ownership papers; report the firetruck as stolen! Then force the Jacksonville PD to "recover" the vehicle! She would get the truck she's entitled to AND the City would be forced to pay restitution for damages! This isn't rocket-science!
@M W lol you don't... Armchair lawyers know it all though
Doesn’t work like that. It’s a civil matter at this point and the PD can’t (shouldn’t) do anything about it
Laughing at you and the 48 people who upvoted this lol
You obviously have never heard of qualified immunity. It's almost next to impossible to take any legal action against the Government in this Country.
@milchuck Then why do they want the title back? Easy, they cannot do anything with that vehicle; they cannot sell it as they do not have the title. The state also would not issue a replacement since they are no longer the legal owner of it. As soon as they get that title, they can freely sell it.
All she would need to do, file papers with the court and then take the court order to the sheriffs office and they are bound to enforce the court order that the vehicle is to be released. If the city wants to keep it, then they can try to convince the judge that they are the rightful owner even though they sold the vehicle and provided the title to the other party. All the city can do is delay and have legal fees accumulate; but when they lose, they will be out a lot more money and still not have that fire truck.
It definitely sounds like Jacksonville is trying to get out of paying a boatload of money and doing a CYA at the same time.
Sell it back to the city, but deliver them a toy firetruck claiming an ooopsie.
I clicked on this thinking it was some sort of satire. Instead I just watched an old news segment
report the truck stolen, she has the title
Imagine being a cop in Jacksonville and suddenly the fire truck driving past you lights and sirens shows up on your computer as reported stolen.
@@Max_basil lol they wouldn't do anything
Its a civil matter. Not a criminal incident.
Just giving the details of the "theft" to the cops they would tell her its not technically stolen.
She needs a lawyer, not the cops.
But then it's a question of cost vs benefits of getting the right truck back...
might be a good small claims complaint
a quick court trip would get a bond guy to track the truck into the public domain, and then grab it with the keys in it!!
She should sue the city for a bait and switch
Is there a follow-up to this story anyone can link? Trying to find it but can't. I would really like to know what happened.
Whatever happened to the fire truck? Don't leave us hanging. Did she get the money back or her truck?
@Mia Strong
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Agreed. Very strange, though, how the news almost never runs follow-up stories. I'd like to know what happened after that story too.
@@codeoptimizationware2803 Hope fully she got paid off or got her truck and signed a NDO and thats why we haven't heard. The reddit patrol will probably find out.
@@onbored9627 :
Well I hope she got a good prosecuting lawyer with which to fight her case in Court.
@onii-chan's manko I looked online and couldn't find anything about it. I don't believe that that would happen.
@onii-chan's manko link or proof?
Seems like the transporter should share some responsibility for not verifying the vin and truck numbers.
The 5 mins it would take to check the truck number and VIN , before loading it for transport would have saved a lot of people a lot of heartburn.
I'd say he kinda did her a favor,lol. At least she has something for the 10 grand. If the truck she bought was "on the road" already she would have been out 10 grand and no truck. And it would have been 6 months or a year before she got her money back. They would have dragged that out for sure. Not to mention she still would have been charged by the transporter for at least half of the bill. Or the driver knew what was up and didn't want to lose a load,lol.
If there was damage/delay, then yes. Wrong vehicle released, wrong title released Totally Auctions fault.
@@highpockets5340 but at the same time, if you are transporting a vehicle or any type, you should check the the vin to make sure you are being given the correct thing, even if the seller is saying it’s correct it may not be and checking the vin verifys that information. That being said the person that verified the release of the truck also should have checked the vin of the truck that was released against the one she bought. Honestly everyone is at fault for this is some way or another
@@KayColeLynn Sorry but only the person that released the wrong truck is responsible. Transport/driver did their job from pt A to B without damage/delay. I Think of it like a delivery from Amazon, if the contents are wrong is it the drivers fault?
That woman’s a go getter. Nothing but respect
lol so they want they ownership back of the truck she has, but they wont give her the truck she owns or her money back. might as well take them to court.
but what i wanna know, is did she follow through?
I don't know the outcome as of this comment but she unquestionably has the legal right to sue, or at least in most states in these bait and switch situations involving vehicles. I would love to hear about an update.
NOTE: This is from 2018 and it's only now being noticed on CZcams? What a weird algorithm.
Love it when the government has to defend itself against being stupid.
@@fyrman9092 The government will blame someone else. Who could that be? They will blame the transporter employee and ignore their employee.
So sorry but we did improve so (maybe) it won't happen again.
you know the lady who drives a fire truck casually is not the one you want to mess with
This isn't at all surprising to me. Many years ago I was signing for a Military units new vehicles for a particular type of weapon system. One of the...special...components serial numbers did not match the paperwork and noted the correct serial number down and signed for that. Turns out they had swapped two units serial numbers on the paperwork for that particular item, it was easy enough to switch once it was in our system, but considering the other unit didn't note the discrepancy and they signed for their stuff first it made it more difficult to fix.
I hope for the best for her
This is the most American problem ever
How is this “the most American problem ever” it’s a serious problem all over the world. Not only did she buy something & was given something else & not only did she buy a truck have the paperwork for a specific truck (that if she were to get involved with the police in any matter when pertaining to the truck she will get arrested for not having the correct paperwork & will legally be seen as GTA) but more importantly she bought it from a governmental body & said governmental body not only gave her the wrong truck but are refusing to help her.
A governmental body telling a citizen that they will get something only to give that citizen something else happens all over the world.
@@sagelg it was a funny haha
Not sure what this has to do with "America" since this can happen in any country. You sound like a typical liberal "American hater"
@@pepethepatriot7524 Private fire departments don't exist here in Spain at all. They are all run by the government and with new fire trucks only, so those old fire trucks are completely useless here. So yeah, it's a very American thing indeed.
@@Alcosmos_ private fire departments don’t exist in America either. What the women wanted to do was buy an old truck, refurbish (or make it new if you don’t know what that means) & then give it away to a fire station that needs it.
My car was once parked in front of my friends house. It was snowing, and there wasn’t any parking ban issued. We went to a ski resort that was local. Returning back from our trip, I seen my car completely smashed in on the fender and wheel area completely destroying the car. I called the police, and they said they would send someone out. 5 hours later no one showed up. I called a couple more times and they kept saying someone would come. The neighbors came out and said they seen what happened. A city snow plow truck had smashed into it. I called the police back and they told me I would have to fix my car myself, and then send the city the bill and they would determine if the repairs were necessary. I told them I needed their insurance information and they refused. Also, since I was now deprived of a vehicle I relied on for transportation, I told them by law I must be given a rental vehicle until my car was repaired. I was threatened on the phone by a police officer saying that if I kept causing trouble they would charge me with illegally parking a car and obstructing police.
So I called 19 action news. A few hours later I was on TV and I told my story.
And guess what? The next day I was contacted by someone. They gave me the information I needed, got me a tow truck to tow my vehicle to the repair shop of my choosing, which is the law, and they said all damages would be paid for in full. And guess what else? I got my rental car. Unfortunately I still missed 3 classes at the college I was attending but at least it was handled.
Funny thing though, after all that was taken care of, the news network pulled my video off of their site and it was no where to be found anymore. I wish I still had it. I liked being on TV. Made me feel cool fighting for justice and holding the city accountable and forcing them to OBEY THE LAW.
Why you didn't record or capture that clip bruh?!?!
@@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS this sounds like it was a while back.
And the outcome was .... ??? .... did it get resolved ... did Jacksonville re-assemble the incorrectly disassembled truck as any private seller would have to?
Imagine if the Tables were turned. You'd be in jail.
“Can I have the title back?” Lol
I’m sure the city couldn’t get ahold of her. She is fighting to get the truck why would she ignore them. Sue the hell out of hem
If the situation was reversed this woman would still be in jail.....
Can't find any follow up to this. Did she go to court, what became of that?
Absoloutly vehicle fraud and a citzen would be arrested for it.
2 years old..recommended to everyone in the past 24 hours
City really said i dont give a truck
If a dealership or private seller did this they would pay either sime hefty fines or jail time. Thats fckng ridiculous
If she has the title she should be able to charge someone with theft
It's civil non-delivery, not criminal theft. She never had possession of it in order for it to be stolen from her.
@@VidClips858 ikr, everybody is out here saying the city commited a felony!
Govdeals will ban you from buying & suspends your account if you violate the terms as a buyer. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to apply to sellers.
I've gone somewhere to pick an item up and had to receive a refund, because it "wasn't there any longer". Funny thing is, you also have to jump through the hoops required by the seller in terms of differing terms of payment, time of payment, pickup times, etc., etc., etc.
The transporter should refund her fee for not checking both the VIN and Unit # before taking possession of it. The City should also do an investigation of the circumstances and punish anyone who may have done this on purpose, as in "bait and switch". Administration may have wanted to be rid of the 2002 model and the listing agent accidentally listed the 2004 model or they may have wanted the 2004 unit gone, but the Town Garage may have wanted the Unit kept and stripped, just as they ended up doing.
This is a fail on many levels and she should not only recover the difference in value, but also what she put out for transporting and detailing it. That's what's fair. The City should have its Govdeals account suspended for a period of time too.
Give the nice lady her fire truck🙌🏼
Any update on this case? Hopefully good news.
How friggin hard is it? SHE HAS THE TITLE!!!
But she also has the wrong truck. 2 years older means much less value, and both losing value as every day passes. Of course, the city does not care as it's taxpayer money.
The fact they’ve stripped HER truck for parts, makes the transaction to fix regis, a lot more complicated.
Depending on the terms of the sale, it could range from a refund, replacement, or up to providing an alternate product to the same value and functionality as the ‘misplaced’ item.
If I was her, I’d start by lodging a claim for a new truck with all matching equipment, then let them negotiate down from that with my lawyer - and they’re paying for them too !
Yep. The $1500 difference is somewhat reasonable as a good faith first offer to make her whole. But their bargaining position is gone after stripping the vehicle while she owned it, so she has no reason to take that offer.
@Snowsc Used firetrucks are not considered fungible. They stripped her truck by accident, so they owe her full restoration of her truck.
They owe her the truck plus restoration of the truck, which would probably cost them about 20'000. They want to give her a different cheaper truck, of their choosing, and the difference in price, which costs them nothing (she already paid for it). She didn't buy that different truck, and they can't force her to accept it. Used firetrucks are not fungible.
The moment they refused to give her her truck when notified about the mistake, they made it much harder to claim it's all an accident, which opens the possibility of damages as well.
If I was her, I'd contact local PD, call it "stolen" (because it was) and tell them that a PI found it stripped for parts at x location. Press charges on the people who stole it.
@@countfrackula6707 cops never do anything against government workers unless those workers are doing something to fix our police state.
When substituting a sold auction item with a similar but inferior item, what is the difference between a mistake and fraud if the seller, not only does not subsequently supply the correct item, but devalues the correct item by removing parts off it to use elsewhere?
City MUST pay her for what she reasonably believes the profit could have been! That is the ONLY solution!
When we the people do something wrong we are held accountable we need to hold our officials accountable
If the city canned the employees who messed up checking the certifiable identification numbers on two vehicles, they would find the money to fix her truck and cover the costs from the salaries. And they'd be freed from a useless employee or ten...