The FNAF Movie Springbonnie was FAKE?!...

Sdílet
Vložit
  • čas přidán 4. 03. 2024
  • Thanks for Watching! Like & Sub if you enjoyed todays Video!
    Support Me! - youtube.com/@Deducer/join
    Discord! - / discord
    Twitch! - / deducerfnaf
    Twitter! - / deducerfnaf
    TikTok! - / deducerfnaf
    In this short video, you will finally learn the REAL updates for the FNaF filming location! Five Night's at Freddy's is an Indie horror game created by Scott Cawthon and released in 2014, new FNAF MOVIE news has started coming out recently in this year of 2023, Five Night's at Freddy's is VERY popular, with the newest game Five Night's at Freddy's: Security Breach!
    Security Breach RUIN DLC will also be releasing July of 2023,fnaf movie release date,fnaf leaked movie trailer,fnaf movie trailer,fnaf plus,fnaf movie trailer leaked,fnaf movie trailer leak,fnaf trailer leaked,fnaf leaked movie trailer CONFIRMED!,fnaf meetup,fnaf dawko meet,fnaf dawko,dawko meets scott cawthon,chica winking trailer,new fnaf trailer,fnaf trailer tv spot,fnaf movie behind the scenes,fnaf movie bluray,fnaf movie r-rated cut,fnaf r cut,fnaf movie r cut,fnaf movie scene,deducer scene,fnaf movie deducer,deducer leaked scene,deducer exclusive scene,fnaf movie 2,fnaf 2,fnaf 2 movie,fnaf movie 2 trailer,matpat quit,matpat,matpat retire,matpat retiring,matpat quitting,matpat goodbye,matpat goodbye internet,matpat quitting reaction,matpat retiring reaction,matpat goodbye reaction,matpat goodbye internet reaction
    #fnaf #fnafmovie #fnaf2 #fnf #securitybreach #fnafar #fnafedit #fnafsecuritybreach #animation #fnaf6 #fnaf3 #fnafvhs #fnaf1 #securitybreachdlc #fnafruindlc #fnafruin #fnafmovie2
  • Hry

Komentáře • 537

  • @Itsjuststeve456
    @Itsjuststeve456 Před 2 měsíci +1098

    Bro you literally helped me solve my biggest question in the FNAF movie! 🙏 ❤️

  • @sgf51
    @sgf51 Před 2 měsíci +2039

    This makes more sense since why would you make an extra suit for a 5 second clip?

    • @BlueDumbDude
      @BlueDumbDude Před 2 měsíci +91

      If they made an extra outfit for a short clip that would be a point of love they put into the project

    • @seandiaz3170
      @seandiaz3170 Před měsícem +57

      They could have used the suit for a later film for a flashback or a fredbears diner backstory

    • @boredape1986
      @boredape1986 Před měsícem +27

      Or they could've taken the photo before altering the suit into the one in the film

    • @andrewrodriguez1483
      @andrewrodriguez1483 Před měsícem +69

      @@BlueDumbDudeTime, budget, labor it can go on. There’s so many reasons why not making a real suit was the better and more logical option, but it definitely would’ve been awesome.

    • @HayyanPro167
      @HayyanPro167 Před měsícem +35

      This. Those suits take lots of time and budget to make. For it to remain on a static image would be a waste of time if they were not going to use it for the next movie. Maybe they are making one but weren’t finished and besides, it literally is just a 5 second clip of an image. Making a whole suit would be an inefficient use of time and money, photoshop is way better.

  • @greenigi.
    @greenigi. Před 2 měsíci +1022

    That explains why fixed spring Bonnie looked off

    • @sammie_stricked877
      @sammie_stricked877 Před 2 měsíci +53

      I kinda figured he looked different because it's been years ago since the clean springbonnie so William lost parts and some were too broken to use so he made new hands and a helmet. To be specific like maybe the buck teeth fell out and he added new teeth stuff like that

    • @deandradavis8563
      @deandradavis8563 Před 2 měsíci +9

      You too Flights flag at frey's

    • @LucinaTheGhost
      @LucinaTheGhost Před měsícem +21

      But it look off in a good way because it doesn't really look fake or real it just look uncanny

    • @Null_Sector
      @Null_Sector Před měsícem +3

      I mean...it is a murderer's suit so looking a bit off is a good thing

    • @Twisted_bonnies_world
      @Twisted_bonnies_world Před 21 dnem +1

      I’m still wondering why fixed spring Bonnies teeth is yellow

  • @urlocalrat123
    @urlocalrat123 Před 2 měsíci +368

    My only question is.... Those screams we heard after Vanessa confesses William Afton is her father, was that her remembering her screams or were those the children's screams? 🤔🧐

  • @TheRealLifeKillerMoth
    @TheRealLifeKillerMoth Před měsícem +206

    I'm pretty sure this suit was actually was the first design of the Spring Trap suit. Let me explain.
    Usually in movies like Willy's Wonderland, they film the scenes in the past first, so they can then dirty up the suit for the scenes set in the present.

    • @dannyboi830
      @dannyboi830 Před měsícem +6

      That's actually a good theory

    • @405WRANGLER
      @405WRANGLER Před měsícem +1

      I was about to say this, like in Indiana Jones they had to tear up and stab his jackets to make it look worn. But yes, doing this is an excellent way to cut costs and get everything done at once

    • @ImperatorBeton
      @ImperatorBeton Před měsícem +1

      Springbonnie suit.

  • @funclown1746
    @funclown1746 Před 2 měsíci +205

    Okay but the movie suit that he wears I think is real since CZcamsrs wore the hands and touched the suit.

  • @mannybubby4579
    @mannybubby4579 Před 2 měsíci +82

    In the picture the suit might be fake, but some youtubers like 8-bitryan or Dawko wore the glove of the springbonnie suit Matthew Lillard wore

    • @SaltyBluberry
      @SaltyBluberry Před 2 měsíci +8

      That's litterly the entire point of the video-

  • @Sammyboii1i
    @Sammyboii1i Před měsícem +9

    That might be the most FNAF thing ever too man. Photoshopping animatronics to be unwithered has been a staple of FNAF culture forever so it’s fitting that the movie had a bit of it too 😂

  • @Isaiah_Robotics
    @Isaiah_Robotics Před 2 měsíci +57

    Even if it was the altered version of withered springbonnies real suit its still amazing they cleaned up the withering of the image I also think that there was probably gonna be a fixed version. But due to the script keep getting changed at the last minute. They script the idea of withered springbonnie in the 2000

  • @MarshallVR1911
    @MarshallVR1911 Před 2 měsíci +69

    After all these years, the closest we got to fixed springbonnie was an AI version of the movie one 😢

    • @Nightfoxx444
      @Nightfoxx444 Před 2 měsíci +40

      It is not AI. It was photoshopped by a human. AI would never be this good

    • @Fangamer1254
      @Fangamer1254 Před 2 měsíci +3

      ​@@Nightfoxx444Swag

    • @thesweetbunny-fazbear
      @thesweetbunny-fazbear Před 2 měsíci +4

      Yeah but it's still looks super cool

    • @XoraOff
      @XoraOff Před 2 měsíci +3

      Fnaf world:

    • @Calamity25
      @Calamity25 Před 2 měsíci +4

      FNAF World, Glitchtrap's appearance, Into the Pit, the actual Spring Bonnie model found in Help Wanted

  • @Alex-Arroyo-69
    @Alex-Arroyo-69 Před 2 měsíci +59

    I thought the suit in the pic was real bc I had a theory that would have a flashback of him loring and killing the kids in parts and services and some people did say that but hey it's just a theory 🧐😅

  • @michaelmartinez2071
    @michaelmartinez2071 Před 2 měsíci +20

    Well no duh I guessed that from the start cause there's no way they made an entire suit just for one picture. The only way I could see that happening is if maybe there was some deleted flashback scenes

  • @triple9lyrics
    @triple9lyrics Před 2 měsíci +9

    Only the photo was, in bts you can see him wear the suit he's wearing it in a bts of him getting dragged at the end

  • @quacktieredits
    @quacktieredits Před měsícem +1

    that loop was criminal

  • @MarvelBricks
    @MarvelBricks Před 2 měsíci +17

    Ngl this theory (if it is one) is very cool

    • @Itsjuststeve456
      @Itsjuststeve456 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Yo bro i finally found ur channel! I subbed to you btw!

    • @zmilestheunfunny
      @zmilestheunfunny Před měsícem +1

      It's not a theory it's just a behind the scenes thing. The picture is supposed to be fixed spring bonnie in movie but irl the picture is a render

  • @Zack_Plush_Productions
    @Zack_Plush_Productions Před 2 měsíci +3

    Hopefully They Make It A Real Suit For A Flashback In The 2nd Movie For The Moment He Lured The Kids Backstage.

  • @BulseyeHeart
    @BulseyeHeart Před měsícem +2

    The suit Matthew Lillard wore was real. There's videos about how it was heavy and he could barely see in it.

  • @GingyPreston
    @GingyPreston Před měsícem +3

    I immediately thought it was photo shopped when I saw it in theaters. I was wondering if this would be confirmed

  • @You_rule0
    @You_rule0 Před 2 měsíci +11

    Load the screen bonus shoot is a physical thing. Just not in that picture. We know. That's a physical thing because CZcams visits the place like Dako razbawski 8 bit Ryan Cory Matt Pat And others

    • @IanCs
      @IanCs Před 2 měsíci +2

      i haven’t watched the video in a while but i’m pretty sure that they only showed the damaged spring bonnie

    • @StupidYTDude
      @StupidYTDude Před 2 měsíci +1

      were talking about the fixed version

  • @Hachun-
    @Hachun- Před měsícem +1

    Matthew Lillard: "Are you challenging me?"

  • @Y-N_lovesDakota.
    @Y-N_lovesDakota. Před 4 dny +1

    Imagine if they used an actual spring Bonnie suit and it actually springlocked on set😢

  • @Darkishappy_2872
    @Darkishappy_2872 Před měsícem +2

    and we *_STILL_* dont have an official spring bonnie model ever since the character was even introduced into the franchise

  • @submareen
    @submareen Před 2 měsíci +2

    OOOOH! That’s why the unwithered springbonnie doesn’t look like the one Mathew wears, like the heard being more bent down in the picture. And the head shape was different. That clears things uo

  • @SirPenguin28
    @SirPenguin28 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I really hope they make a physical version of that suit for the fash backs.

  • @unspokensoul21
    @unspokensoul21 Před měsícem +1

    This actually makes so much sense. At first I thought that they made an unwithered SpringBonnie suit first, took that picture, then made the SpringBonnie suit withered for the rest of the movie. But it would make more sense to use the unwithered SpringBonnie suit in the photo and alter it later, instead of making a whole new suit.

  • @ritasauka8301
    @ritasauka8301 Před měsícem +1

    Mathew’s mouth was covered by the suit💀😭

  • @Pan-cackes
    @Pan-cackes Před 2 měsíci +12

    I always thinking that Springbonnie on this picture was strange. The fact that it's was made by CGI explain everything. Plus, if i remember, we never see a normal Springbonnie suit picture, we always have broken Springbonnie picture .

    • @BlueDumbDude
      @BlueDumbDude Před 2 měsíci +1

      yeah, but i dont really mind too much about it, the Withered SpringBonnie from the movie is very cool

    • @MeemahSN
      @MeemahSN Před měsícem

      wdym we never see a normal Springbonnie suit picture? There are multiple instances of seeing one in this franchise.
      We have the trilogy's graphic novels, there's the close-up of his face behind Susie in the fruity maze, there's the unrigged model in the first Help Wanted game. We've seen Springbonnie unwithered before.

  • @deannabarnes3826
    @deannabarnes3826 Před 2 měsíci +5

    I cant wait till release

  • @fwoggy_dude
    @fwoggy_dude Před měsícem

    The suit shown in the movie is REAL, Matthew Leonard said IN one of the bonus seens on the dvd "in the spring Bonnie suit, i was blind" because of the animatronic eyes in front of his face.

  • @SolarStary
    @SolarStary Před měsícem

    The damaged suit could be fake.
    Dawko wearing the hands with the head in the background:

  • @evaparks5890
    @evaparks5890 Před 23 dny

    Inside news: Springbonnie actor Mathew Lillard gets springlocked to prepare for his role as Springtrap in the upcoming movie Five nights at Freddy’s: 2

  • @M.Everything
    @M.Everything Před měsícem

    They digitally altered the suit that was seen in the movie to look all clean and unwithered. The one Mathew Lillard wore was the only one they made.

  • @Circusbaby197
    @Circusbaby197 Před 2 měsíci +2

    keep up the great news and videos these are helping me know about news for the next fnaf movie

  • @ritasaha6587
    @ritasaha6587 Před měsícem

    The withered version is a real prop, but it was digitally altered to look cleaned up.

  • @Gaterman
    @Gaterman Před měsícem

    A cool smaller details in this episode is the hellhound lady at the adoption center is voiced by the same woman who voiced Vaggie in the Hazbin pilot.

  • @TodayIsGav
    @TodayIsGav Před měsícem +1

    the springbonnie suit that matthew lillard wear in the movie is real bc it shows on dawkos video when they go to the sets.. but it Didnt show the Fixed springbonnie suit only the withered one..

  • @ArcticVR972
    @ArcticVR972 Před měsícem +2

    Bro had the guts to have a chance of getting spring locked 💀

  • @BonnieInc.
    @BonnieInc. Před měsícem

    The Damaged Springbonnie suit was burned and of course, damaged. So it was probably deformed.

  • @deputytrip2132
    @deputytrip2132 Před měsícem

    There was a photo that was uploaded of two of the same spring Bonnie heads. Like one for the movie, and then one as a backup in case something happened to the first one.

  • @user-TheVirus_Offical
    @user-TheVirus_Offical Před měsícem

    Or maybe they made normal Springbonnie suit and tore it apart for the look that Shaggy wears at the end

  • @Blac_and_whte-studios
    @Blac_and_whte-studios Před měsícem

    Everybody knows if it was a real springbonnie suit the movie wouldn't be out right now

  • @ThatWannabeMusician
    @ThatWannabeMusician Před měsícem

    The springtrap suit is obviously real, you see 8bitryan messing around with it in the behind the scenes vlogs

  • @huda_aftongirl_sometime4111
    @huda_aftongirl_sometime4111 Před 2 měsíci +2

    That’s why the pic looked a bit strange and odd

  • @Doors_2009
    @Doors_2009 Před 2 měsíci

    Imagine it was the real suit where the tragic event happened

  • @Picked-man
    @Picked-man Před měsícem

    That would actually explain a lot because that would explain why only half of the suit is burned because that spot would’ve been easy to artificially fix by Photoshop. Where is the other half would be much harder because it’s behind someone.

  • @SlumbertaleSans
    @SlumbertaleSans Před 2 měsíci +1

    Yall didnt notice that?? The second the pic of young Vanessa and spring Bonnie came up on screen I knew something abt it wasn't right lol

  • @DogLover-jx2ip
    @DogLover-jx2ip Před měsícem

    Go to the video where a CZcams named 8-BitRyan was allowed to tour the set, he shows off the suit. It is a real suit.

  • @CottonArsonist
    @CottonArsonist Před měsícem

    What's funny is that this is something the fanbase also does; takes a dilapidated or withered character and edits them to be "fixed".

  • @Bendy_devil_darling
    @Bendy_devil_darling Před měsícem

    “Like zoinks scoobs im the man behind the slaughter”

  • @Charles_afton
    @Charles_afton Před 19 dny +1

    The suit that looks old and broken down was actually made, but the picture is fake

  • @vandercomics
    @vandercomics Před měsícem

    It is a real suit in the movie, but the suit was prob altered to look new in the picture to keep the budget low

  • @Max_impact
    @Max_impact Před dnem

    cant wait for the second movie im hopeing it can actually show dead corps and blood cause fnaf 2 is deadly kinda i just wanna see spring trap and see how they make him look

  • @CFA-44_Nosferatu
    @CFA-44_Nosferatu Před měsícem

    The actual suit itself was real since it's part of the story but the suit in the photo was digitally edited to look clean since the photo was from the past (when Vanessa was young)

  • @stormostormo9465
    @stormostormo9465 Před měsícem

    Part of me that wants this to be in the same stop motion animation that Coraline was in

  • @Raviolling
    @Raviolling Před měsícem

    No wonder the eyes always looked strange

  • @theinvoluntarybeatboxer3766

    Bear with me, the reason it was edited to look newer is because that when Vanessa was a child

  • @Buddy_Duck
    @Buddy_Duck Před měsícem

    Yeah, I'd assume they just fixed up a picture of the broken-down suit we see in the movie because why make a separate suit for a single image?

  • @diggao77
    @diggao77 Před 16 dny

    If this suit is fake, im kinda dissapointed. This is the best Springbonnie design i ever seen. Somehow, the fixed one is way more scarier than Springtrap itself.

  • @ballisticblocker9163
    @ballisticblocker9163 Před měsícem

    For those who genuinely think it might be the first explanation, it’s not. The suits were all completely real. The only suit that is technically not real is the Springbonnie suit from the photo, as it was created with withering, so they just had to edit the withered suit to look clean for that photo.

  • @insanityrooster6386
    @insanityrooster6386 Před měsícem +1

    The suit in the picture was not physically real or whatever you wanna call it, because there was no point in making an actual full suit just for the picture.
    The withered Spring Bonnie suit that Matthew was wearing in the movie was obviously real. CZcamsrs n such got to see the actual suit irl, as they showed the footage.

  • @orange_turtle3412
    @orange_turtle3412 Před 2 měsíci

    Probably because they didnt want to make a whole other suit for a single still image that appears for less than 2 seconds

  • @kdej-si4vo
    @kdej-si4vo Před 4 dny

    Wow! Movies use special effects and editing to save time and resources instead of replicating a piece just to alter small details for a separate, small scene? Crazy!

  • @Twisted_bonnies_world
    @Twisted_bonnies_world Před 2 měsíci +3

    It’s pretty obvious it’s an actual suit

    • @WyattRobbins14
      @WyattRobbins14 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Yea. I’d believe that the photo is photoshopped in the movie, but the suit is definitely real, just like the other ones

    • @Twisted_bonnies_world
      @Twisted_bonnies_world Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@WyattRobbins14 I know the photo is edited, I was talking about the withered suit when afton appeared out of nowhere at the end of the movie

    • @WyattRobbins14
      @WyattRobbins14 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@Twisted_bonnies_worldYea so was I. There is no way that is CGI - we have not graphically developed that far yet.

  • @lordoftoasters2748
    @lordoftoasters2748 Před 2 měsíci

    Well makes sense, theres no point making a whole new costume just for a photo that shows up for a few seconds

  • @LamboLiam125
    @LamboLiam125 Před 2 měsíci +1

    If you look at the bow tie on both springbonnie suits they are both different sizes

  • @GalexyGamer596
    @GalexyGamer596 Před měsícem

    Hey, friend of Kevin Foster here. While Springbonnie (clean) was photoshop, the main used in the movie is 100% real.

  • @sharpshooter13ify
    @sharpshooter13ify Před měsícem

    Makes sense, I mean how were they supposed to get the real William Afton from fnaf here? Lol

  • @TheIceCrypt
    @TheIceCrypt Před měsícem

    It was obviously the busted suit that was used for filming, digitally cleaned up for that single photo.

  • @Bonniethebunny
    @Bonniethebunny Před měsícem

    Initially i thought it was taken before they messed up the suit to better fit how old it is.

  • @OswaldRabbitPH
    @OswaldRabbitPH Před měsícem

    For my opinion,they really make springbonnie clean before riping it off I guess

  • @ShadowBonnieTheShadow
    @ShadowBonnieTheShadow Před měsícem

    why is no one talking about the fact that he said that matthew lillard (MatPat or Mr. It's just a Theory) was the one wearing the Springbonnje suit 😭

  • @Change.man2
    @Change.man2 Před 2 měsíci

    Bro if they actually make the REAL suit the actor would die

  • @crowwilliams
    @crowwilliams Před 2 měsíci

    Honestly the edited look made it more unsettling in the photo the non damaged bonnie suit has an erie not what it seems

  • @BISMARKAN19
    @BISMARKAN19 Před měsícem

    Oh thank God bro answered a life long question of mine about a prop from a movie like I totally cared about if it was fake or not

  • @andrewwood886
    @andrewwood886 Před měsícem

    The suite Mathew Willard wears is real they just digitally changed it

  • @user-tp2wo3ub7e
    @user-tp2wo3ub7e Před měsícem

    The suit worn in the movie itself is real and very tangible. The suit in that photo, on the other hand, was digitally altered in photoshop to look cleaned up. That’s why it lacks the damaged look of the physical suit. Hope that clears things up!

    • @PlexybloxYT
      @PlexybloxYT Před měsícem

      So it's a real suit that he stood for that picture in, but they used AI to make him look cleaned up or was the suit in the picture fully fake?

  • @FNAFUzumakiChan1987
    @FNAFUzumakiChan1987 Před měsícem

    When u hire a professional Photoshopper to make it look realistic that beats AI!

  • @bluntkush5888
    @bluntkush5888 Před 2 měsíci

    In the ending Matthew wasn’t in the suit when golden Freddy’s spirit shuts the door on him. It was actually an animatronic.

  • @AbdullahiAli-ol1yv
    @AbdullahiAli-ol1yv Před měsícem

    That’s why it looks so cursed

  • @GavinRoberson
    @GavinRoberson Před měsícem

    Or either they made the clean suit for that shot then just made it into the spring trap suit by making some holes

  • @greenGAMES-tu4cz
    @greenGAMES-tu4cz Před měsícem

    The spring, Bonnie and withered spring. Bonnie suits were both fake. They used to CGI to make the costume, and they used to CGI on the animatronics was at the movie set.

  • @RG21YT
    @RG21YT Před měsícem +1

    I was wondering why the fixed suit looked off to me

    • @Deducer
      @Deducer  Před měsícem +1

      Yep! same here 🤔
      P.S Subscribe! ;)

  • @TiverMeShimbers
    @TiverMeShimbers Před měsícem

    I mean, I would imagine the withered one is real, considering the fact he saw people making it and Dawko touch it…

  • @user-gh4yu8uo1f
    @user-gh4yu8uo1f Před měsícem

    Well to be fair the suits head in the picture looks way different than the one mathew lillard wears

  • @kevinvasquez6009
    @kevinvasquez6009 Před měsícem

    It was probably faked so it could look undamaged so they wouldn’t have to make an entire new suit

  • @fizzdrop9740
    @fizzdrop9740 Před měsícem +1

    I think the suit is real, as the other animatronics have suits and an animatronic counterpart, for scenes who needs either the animatronics to be alive or robots so I think the springbonnie costume is real but the wound, is obviously fake,

  • @justinprescott9716
    @justinprescott9716 Před měsícem

    The actor literally said he can’t see while wearing the suit

  • @Candjstudios2024
    @Candjstudios2024 Před měsícem

    Of the damaged one is real, Matthew Lillard is literally wearing it.

  • @ElementalBoy-fh8ph
    @ElementalBoy-fh8ph Před měsícem +2

    They took it down off peacock:(

    • @Deducer
      @Deducer  Před měsícem +1

      I know :( it will be back eventually!

  • @DRAGBOTMARVEL
    @DRAGBOTMARVEL Před měsícem

    I knew something looked off about that suit lol

  • @funnyclown12345
    @funnyclown12345 Před 2 dny

    Dawko literally wore part of the withered suit, its very much physical and real.
    The photo most likey isn't however.

  • @WinterReyes-mj6ph
    @WinterReyes-mj6ph Před měsícem

    He said himself he was blind in the suit

  • @Random-guy-on-yt
    @Random-guy-on-yt Před 2 měsíci

    Its just altered to show wear and tear over time, with it being brand new in the photo, to being worn down, dirty and rusted in the film

  • @HyphlixTV
    @HyphlixTV Před 7 dny

    Wtf did he hear this 😂

  • @Cryophobia-cp7mx
    @Cryophobia-cp7mx Před měsícem

    It was a 5 second clop they werent just going to make a repaired suit for that the suits real. Just restored to save budget

  • @ProfessorPesto
    @ProfessorPesto Před 12 dny

    Or maybe they made the normal suit, then shot it and stained it after.

  • @Numbercomb
    @Numbercomb Před měsícem

    Im sure it's just a modified version of the real suit because around where the withering/burns? on the real suit is
    There are slightly darker patches where they would be

  • @william-p-evans
    @william-p-evans Před měsícem

    the one Matthew Lillard wore was a real outfit and was digitally alter for the photo

  • @alexandergreen5696
    @alexandergreen5696 Před 2 měsíci

    The suit he wears is real, the suit in the photo is altered.

  • @eduardogutierrezespinoza
    @eduardogutierrezespinoza Před 2 měsíci

    My brother in christ yes the suit itself is a physical thing that exists, the fixed one doesn't