1973 USAMO ( System of equations)

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  • čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
  • This was a little tricky to show that no other solutions were possible.

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  • @brendanward2991
    @brendanward2991 Před 2 měsíci +23

    I was thinking that with the cubic there can only be three solutions. (1,1,1) is a solution, found by observation. But because the equations are symmetric, this must be a triple root. So there are no other solutions.

  • @socil.4718
    @socil.4718 Před 2 měsíci +20

    Amazing how easy or difficult this channel's problems get. Thanks for the help!

  • @nymalous3428
    @nymalous3428 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I've been practicing roots of polynomial functions for a class I'm taking. We went over in depth in the last class I took, but it's been a while now, and I'm older so the information isn't sticking like it used to.
    Problems like this are interesting and help to keep the knowledge around for longer. Thanks for posting.

  • @dorukusjr2395
    @dorukusjr2395 Před 2 měsíci +8

    You are explained very well! Continue to teaching!

  • @golddddus
    @golddddus Před 2 měsíci +8

    Accelerated Girard-Newton method: t^3 -(x+y+z)t^2 +(xy+xz+yz)t -xyz=0 t^3-3t^2+3t-xyz=0 Let's replace t with x,y,z : x^3-3x^2+3x-xyz=0 (1) y^3-3y^2+3y-xyz=0 (2) z^3-3z^2+3z -xyz=0 (3)
    (1)+(2)+(3) x^3+y^3+z^3-3(x^2+y^2+z^2)+3(x+y+z)-3xyz=0, 3-3*3+3*3-3xyz=0, 3=3xyz xyz = 1. Historically, Girard was the first to discover the connection between symmetric polynomials and the sum of powers solutions of a polynomial equation. It doesn't always have to be Newton Prime. At least once to be Second. Never stop learning.😎

  • @sev7ncry9
    @sev7ncry9 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Beautiful explanation, really liked the solving method!

    • @vincentmudimeli4430
      @vincentmudimeli4430 Před 2 měsíci

      You are amazing how long it take you to develop this incredible maths skills that revolutionalize the world

  • @Ron_DeForest
    @Ron_DeForest Před 2 měsíci +4

    Very cool. So asking for potential complex roots, they were hoping to mislead you forcing you to investigate further.

  • @tgg7525
    @tgg7525 Před 2 měsíci +2

    We have the arithmetic mean of x,y,z which is worth 1, but also the quadratic mean of x,y,z is worth 1 (by dividing by 3 and putting the second equation at the root). According to QM => AM inequality equality case (true for x,y,z € IR, not only positive ones), we must have x=y=z. So x=y=z=1.

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Sytstem of equations with symmetric polynomials
    In fact there are special case of symmetric polynomials
    called power sums
    There are Newton-Girard formulas which allow to express power sums in terms of elementary symmetric polynomials
    Elementary symmetric polynomials appear in Vieta formulas
    To use Vieta formulas we must have elementary symmetric polynomials

  • @johnkabila6617
    @johnkabila6617 Před měsícem

    Brilliantly systematic!❤

  • @whaddoiknow6519
    @whaddoiknow6519 Před měsícem +2

    Yagshemash! Put x = 1 + u, y = 1 + v, z = 1 + w. You get (with two lines of work) the same system of eqns for u, v, w, with 0's on the right. In another two lines you can show that uv + vw + wu = 0 = uvw. The only solution is u=v=w=0..

    • @albajasadur2694
      @albajasadur2694 Před měsícem

      I am interested in knowing the reason for this substitution. I observed that this transformation gives very useful expressions uv + vw + wu = 0 = uvw. The information is more crucial than xyz=1. Well done.

    • @whaddoiknow6519
      @whaddoiknow6519 Před měsícem

      @@albajasadur2694 It simplifies the first equation for x+y+z, and maintains the symmetry of the system. That the other equations simplify is due to the eventual simplicity of the solution, but could not have been guessed a priori.

  • @BRUBRUETNONO
    @BRUBRUETNONO Před 2 měsíci +2

    Thanks for your interesting problem.
    Here is the way I solved it.
    Of course, I didn't look at your solution.
    Tell me, if you like mine.
    Greetings and keep up the good work, with sharing us challenging problems.
    RECALL
    Solve the problem with all solutions reals and complex.
    (i) x+y+z=3
    (ii) x^2+y^2+z^2=3
    (iii) x^3+y^3+z^3=3
    Let's square equation (i) x+y+z=3, then
    (i)^2 (x+y+z)^2=3^2
    x^2+y^2+z^2+2(xy+yz+zx)=3^2 and from (ii), we have
    3+2(xy+yz+zx)=3^2 then
    (xy+yz+zx)=(3^2-3)/2=3 so (xy+yz+zx)=3
    Let equation (xy+yz+zx)=3 be (iv)
    Let's cube equation (i) x+y+z=3, then
    (i)^3 (x+y+z)^3=3^3
    x^3+y^3+z^3+3xy(x+y)+3yz(y+z)+3zx(z+x)+6xyz=3^3 and from (iii), we have
    3+3xy(x+y)+3yz(y+z)+3zx(z+x)+6xyz=3^3 moreover from (i), we have
    y+z=3-x and z+x=3-y and x+y=3-z
    so injecting those three equalities in the above one we have
    3+3xy(3-z)+3yz(3-x)+3zx(3-y)+6xyz=3^3 then
    3+3^2.(xy+yz+zx)-3xyz-3xyz-3xyz+6xyz=3^3
    3+3^2.(xy+yz+zx)-3xyz=3^3 and from (iv) we have
    3+3^2.3-3xyz=3^3 so we have
    3-3xyz=0 then xyz=1
    Let equation xyz=1 be (v)
    From following equations
    (i) x+y+z=3
    (iv) xy+yz+zx=3
    (v) xyz=1
    we recognise the symetric functions of the roots (x;y;z) of a third degree equation
    at^3+bt^2+ct+d=0 with the following relations between the coefficients and the roots
    as below (those relations being called as well as the Vieta's formulas)
    x+y+z=-b/a
    xy+yz+zx=c/a
    xyz=-d/a
    so that
    -b/a=3
    c/a=3
    -d/a=1
    If we choose a=1, we have b=-3, c=3 and d=1, leading to following equation
    t^3-3t^2+3t-1=0 that can be written as follows (t-1)^3=0
    which gives t-1=0 and finally t=1
    showing that the equation has got a triple root of value 1.
    To conclude the system has got the only solution (x;y;z)=(1;1;1)
    END

  • @sankararaopulla5256
    @sankararaopulla5256 Před měsícem

    A lovely method to solve this beautiful sum.Tq Sir

  • @vuongdoan318
    @vuongdoan318 Před měsícem

    I think we can apply the AM-GM inequality after we have (xy+yz+zx)=x^2 + y^2 +z ^2 =3

  • @slavinojunepri7648
    @slavinojunepri7648 Před 21 dnem

    Excellent

  • @peixotof3579
    @peixotof3579 Před měsícem

    i used newton sum and obtained x^3 - 3x^2 + 3x - 1 = 0 and it can be factored ===> (x-1)^3 = 0 and it only can be one.

  • @annacerbara4257
    @annacerbara4257 Před 2 měsíci

    My way:
    I find z from the first (linear) equation
    z=3-(x+y)
    I replace it in the second and third having transformed them as a function of
    x+y=p
    xy=q
    in fact the system is clearly symmetrical.
    After having found q from the second equation by means of p, it is found from the third equation, by factoring,
    (p-2)^3=0
    therefore p=2 triple solution ... etc.

  • @kereric_c
    @kereric_c Před 2 měsíci +2

    maybe 16:37 should not be "or" but be "and" consider the meaning of vieta's formula

  • @michaelz2270
    @michaelz2270 Před 2 měsíci

    Notice that since S_1, S_2, and S_3 are functions of x + y + z, x^2 + y^2 + z^2, and x^3 + y^3 + z^3, if you have any one solution (x_0,y_0,z_0) to a system x + y + z = a, x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = b, x^3 + y^3 + z^3 = c, all of the solutions will be the permutations of (x_0,y_0,z_0) since doing what was done here will lead to (t - x_0)(t - y_0)(t - z_0) = 0 in the end.

  • @giorgibliadze1151
    @giorgibliadze1151 Před 25 dny

    Wow, nice, I went with liner agebra, nm

  • @biswambarpanda4468
    @biswambarpanda4468 Před 2 měsíci

    Wonderful sir..long live

  • @otakurocklee
    @otakurocklee Před 2 měsíci

    Very nice.

  • @Abby-hi4sf
    @Abby-hi4sf Před měsícem

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  • @casar68
    @casar68 Před 2 měsíci

    Great !!

  • @user-ql2wu5uc4p
    @user-ql2wu5uc4p Před 2 měsíci

    Ans is 1=x=y=z by observation

  • @nasrullahhusnan2289
    @nasrullahhusnan2289 Před 2 měsíci

    Note that:
    • the equation are cyclical
    • as RHS of any one equation is integer x, y and z are integers. The reasons are as follows:
    * if any one of x, y, and z not an integer then all equation's RHS will not be integer
    * if any two of x, y, and z not an integer RHS of one equation will be an integers, but those of the other ones will not.
    * if x, y, z are all not integer, RHS of all equations will not be integer.
    (x+y+z)²=x²+y²+z²+2(xy+yz+zx)
    9=3+2(xy+yz+zx)
    xy+yz+zx=3
    (x+y+z)³=x³+y³+z³
    +3(x+y+z)(xy+yz+zx)-3xyz
    3³=3+3³-3xyz --> xyz=1
    xyz=1 implies that
    • x=y=z=1
    • any one of x, y, and z is 1 and the other two -1
    Hence
    (x,y,z)={(1,1,1),(1,-1,-1),(-1,1,-1),
    (-1,-1,1)}
    A simpler way to solve is to use Newton-Girard method

  • @maxvangulik1988
    @maxvangulik1988 Před 2 měsíci +2

    x+y+z=3
    x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2xz+2yz=9
    xy+xz+yz=(9-3)/2=3
    x(y+z)+yz=3
    x(3-x)+yz=3
    x^2-3x+3=yz
    (x^2+y^2+z^2)(x+y+z)=9
    x^3+y^3+z^3+xy(x+y)+xz(x+z)+yz(y+z)=9
    xy(3-z)+xz(3-y)+yz(3-x)=6
    3(xy+xz+yz)-3xyz=6
    xyz=1
    yz=1/x
    x(y+z)+yz=3
    x(3-x)+1/x=3
    x^3-3x^2+3x-1=0
    (x-1)^3=0
    x=1
    xz=1/y
    y(x+z)+1/y=3
    y=1
    xy=1/z
    z(x+y)+1/z=3
    z=1
    =

    • @Tom_TP
      @Tom_TP Před 2 měsíci

      This is a more traditional way to solve this system of equations, but the way Mr. Newtons has shown in the video is more beautiful.

    • @maxvangulik1988
      @maxvangulik1988 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Tom_TP we did it almost exactly the same lol

    • @Tom_TP
      @Tom_TP Před 2 měsíci

      @@maxvangulik1988 That doesn't affect what I said though. Your approach was traditional and methodical, but boring to look at. What he did in the video may not be super tight logically, but it was beautiful and more easily understandable.

    • @maxvangulik1988
      @maxvangulik1988 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Tom_TP i found introducing a mercenary term to be a bit confusing and unnecessary tbh

    • @Tom_TP
      @Tom_TP Před 2 měsíci

      @@maxvangulik1988 I can understand that. Tbh I would probably do the same as you. It's the practical way while I see Mr. Newtons' way as the artful way. Each has its own pros and cons.

  • @ghulamshabir3460
    @ghulamshabir3460 Před měsícem

    O caly kuloty ye koi swal ha.x=1,y=1z=1

  • @tauheedsubhani183
    @tauheedsubhani183 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Solved in 0.1 seconds 😂...

    • @user-ql2wu5uc4p
      @user-ql2wu5uc4p Před 2 měsíci

      Me also by observation x=y=z=1

    • @Grecks75
      @Grecks75 Před měsícem

      And how did you "solve" that there are no other solutions? 😂 I mean, in theory there could be LOTS of triples solving this system, especially when considered in the complex plane. And if you change the RHS a bit, there will be! Vieta is the shortest way to go.

    • @user-ql2wu5uc4p
      @user-ql2wu5uc4p Před měsícem

      @@Grecks75 ek answer to nikala km sa km🤣🤣

  • @SidneiMV
    @SidneiMV Před měsícem

    *x + y + z = 3*
    (x + y + z)² = 9 = x² + y² + z² + 2(xy + xz + yz) = 3 + 2(xy + xz + yz)
    *xy + xz + yz = 3*
    (xy + xz + yz)(x + y + z) = 9 = 3xyz + xy(x + y) + (xz)(x + z) + yz(y + z)
    9 = 3xyz + x²y + xy² + x²z + xz² + y²z + yz²
    9 = 3xyz + x²y + xy² + x²z + xz² + y²z + yz²
    (x² + y² + z²)(x + y + z) = 9 = x³ + y³ + z³ + x²y + x²z + y²x + y²z + z²x + z²y
    x²y + x²z + y²x + y²z + z²x + z²y = 6
    9 = 3xyz + x²y + xy² + x²z + xz² + y²z + yz²
    3xyz = 3 => *xyz = 1*
    t³ - 3t² + 3t - 1 = 0
    (t³ - 1) - 3t(t - 1) = 0
    (t - 1)(t² - 2t + 1) = 0
    (t - 1)(t - 1)² = 0
    (t - 1)³ = 0 => t - 1 = 0 => t = 1
    *(x, y, z) = (1, 1, 1)*